Mcharo son
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There is a moral principle that says the end does not justify the means. Morally, you cannot do a bad thing in order to achieve a good result.
While removing CCM from power is a good thing, it is morally wrong to use evil methods to achieve that end. For example, we may not kill them off.
Forming alliances with corrupt people is evil. We may not morally do so in order to remove ccm.
I am profoundly disappointed by what has taken place lately. But I remain an ardent follower of Dr Slaa.
Godbless you jemedariLet me start with that which is something am sure you believe in (Principle), expanding on it gives;
The moment you begin thinking of ways to get "easy wins" is the moment you become corrupt!
Now that is a fact and that is exactly what is happening with CDM and this Lowasa thing. Look for an easier way to win whatever the cost. That guy on your profile picture, do you know who was his opposite during his time? Malcom X. They all wanted the same thing but they had fundamental differences in the principals on how they are going to get there. Malcom X believed on the whatever it takes approach while that guy on the picture believed on taking the morally correct path to victory however hard that path.
In these few days, CDM has successful managed to transform their mission from delivery of a better, democratic and fair Tanzania to take CCM out whatever the cost and worry about tomorrow when tomorrow gets there. While that may turn good (and MM finished his post saying, "i remain a skeptic"), but with invitation of Lowasa you are guaranteed for a CCM like tomorrow or most likely worst.
What makes Lowasa powerfull is what comes with Lowasa. And that is TeamLowasa and every other shady character that CDM has ever pointed finger at. You don't just get Lowasa, you get all of that. That becomes part and parcel of a democratic CDM. A new CDM member and an old CMD member all have the same rights. And these people are not your regular CMD members, these are guys that can exert a significant influence and they are coming in CMD in a position of power. They are not being helped by CDM, they are helping CDM take on CCM.
Once Lowasa is president, he is president. Do you even know the kind of power a president of this country has? To think that CDM will be able to control him through party meetings is simply being naive! There is a right and wrong way of doing things, that is a fact. Getting bad people to fight other bad people for you is a good strategy except that keeping the bad people as your leader as they defeated the other bad people is simply suicidal.
I have read some other arguments that, this is just to change the political dynamics and prove that a ruling party can be replaced in TZ. But that is simply explaining hard issues with simple whatever fits answers (the ones that CCM ministers always gives in the parliament). You cant just turn the future of the entire nation into a big SOCIAL EXPERIMENT and see how it goes!!! And to expand on that, this kind of experiment has been done before in many countries in Africa with complete total failure. And it is a scientific fact that, an experiment which takes same inputs under the same conditions will ALL THE TIME GIVES THE SAME RESULTS.
What is wrong with People!!!
You have nailed it.
Ukisikia mtu anajidai eti kulaumu CDM kwa tukio hili, ujue ni CCM sympathizer hata kama hajitambulishi hivyo. Ni wasi wasi tu wa kulamba mchanga.
Decision hiyo imeelezwa vizuri sana na Mbowe na Tundu Lisu.
Unasema LENGO KUU NI KUINDOA CCM, lakini CCM nao LENGO KUU NI KUIPOTEZA CHADEMA. Pia kumbuka kuwa muwinda huindwa! Pia sio kila fursa ni fursa stahiki zingine ni uzushi.... LOWASSA ni Waziri Mkuu mstaafu ambae kwa mujibu wa sheria ya Tanzania hulindwa na usalama wa wataifa kwa kipindi chao chote cha maisha. Hivyo hii ni binu nanifursa kwa CCM kuipoteza CHADEMA kwa kumtumia LOWASSA ambeye ameenda CHADEMA kimkakati.Thank you so much for your good insights on the issue. I totally agree with you that "LENGO LETU KUU NI KUIONDOA CCM" and this is an opportunity we have to take. And for sure, if we let this opportunity goes without utilize it, then, we have to forget about winning against CCM in the near future.
It seems to me that MM doesn't understand the theory of dynamic, especially in politics. I hope he will undestand now after reading your concerns and with regard to situation on the ground.
Thanks and stay blessed.
.Mzee Mwanakijiji yupo sahihi kutokukubaliana. Ni mtu mwenye maadili. Ni nyie wezi wachache ndiyo mtakubali huu uchafu wa Mbowe.
Na kingine Kwa sera ya UKAWa ya kusema wanataka kuondoa CCM ni moja ya kitu kijinga kabisa kwani CCM watapata kitu cha kuongelea. In short UKAWA wamebugi. This is the greatest downfall of a political party. Na Kwa wanavyosema huu mpango umeratibiwa na Apson akishikiana na akina Mabere Marando bila CHADEMA kujua, na ndipo mtakapotambua ubaya wa system.
CCM chini ya mtu mwadilifu Magufuli wanayo nafasi ya kujijenga. Kumbuka kipindi cha Benja CCM iliimarika, ni kipindi hiki tu cha JK aliyeingia Kwa rushwa tumeona upinzani unakomaa, ila naamini JK aliliona hilo ndiyo maana akamtosa Lowassa.
Mkuu kila la kheri naungana na wewe kwa asilimia zoteCharacter X, na wengine nimewasoma sana tangu ilipopostiwa mada hii na imenisaidia na inaendelea kunisaidia kuelewa vizuri political dynamism iliyoko nchini. Alichosema GalaxyS3 hapo juu kinatosha kuwatafakarisha kidogo. Kuna vitu viwili ambavyo naona vinaongelewa sana bila watu kuvifikiria sana; kwanza ni hii hoja ya kuwa "lengo ni kuiondoa CCM tu" na pilia "kwa njia yoyote ile". Natafuta wasaa niandae jibu langu vizuri ili niweze kujibu hoja hizi mbili vizuri zaidi na kuonesha ni kwa namna gani zina makosa kwenye msingi wake.
Uzuri wa demokrasia hata hivyo ni watu kuweza kudissent; demokrasia haiwezi kustawi kama watu wanatakiwa kupanga mstari na kusema "ndio mzee". Tuliwakatalia watawala wa sasa hili na tutawakatalia watawala wajao pia. Hatuwezi kuwa watu wa kuitikia ati kwa vile viongozi wamesema. Tuna haki ya kuhoji na kuuliza ili tushawishiwe na sisi tuone wanachokiona wao lakini kama haiwezekani tuna haki ya kukataa (dissent) tukiwa tayari kuishi na matokeo ya kukataa huko. Kwa mfano, Lowassa akaenda akashinda Urais kupitia CDM haina maana sisi wengine tutakuwa tumebadili mawazo na kushangilia.
So, nitawajibu kwa kirefu labda mara moja tu halafu niachane na hii mada.
Character X, na wengine nimewasoma sana tangu ilipopostiwa mada hii na imenisaidia na inaendelea kunisaidia kuelewa vizuri political dynamism iliyoko nchini. Alichosema GalaxyS3 hapo juu kinatosha kuwatafakarisha kidogo. Kuna vitu viwili ambavyo naona vinaongelewa sana bila watu kuvifikiria sana; kwanza ni hii hoja ya kuwa "lengo ni kuiondoa CCM tu" na pilia "kwa njia yoyote ile". Natafuta wasaa niandae jibu langu vizuri ili niweze kujibu hoja hizi mbili vizuri zaidi na kuonesha ni kwa namna gani zina makosa kwenye msingi wake.
Uzuri wa demokrasia hata hivyo ni watu kuweza kudissent; demokrasia haiwezi kustawi kama watu wanatakiwa kupanga mstari na kusema "ndio mzee". Tuliwakatalia watawala wa sasa hili na tutawakatalia watawala wajao pia. Hatuwezi kuwa watu wa kuitikia ati kwa vile viongozi wamesema. Tuna haki ya kuhoji na kuuliza ili tushawishiwe na sisi tuone wanachokiona wao lakini kama haiwezekani tuna haki ya kukataa (dissent) tukiwa tayari kuishi na matokeo ya kukataa huko. Kwa mfano, Lowassa akaenda akashinda Urais kupitia CDM haina maana sisi wengine tutakuwa tumebadili mawazo na kushangilia.
So, nitawajibu kwa kirefu labda mara moja tu halafu niachane na hii mada.
ulitaka watendewe haki ili wewe m-lumumba ikusaidie vip? cdm tusipotendeana haki si ndo vizuri tusambaratike ili m-lumumba ufaidi? m-lumumba unatushauri CDM namna ya kujiimarisha ili tuishinde lumumba?!!!!!!
Lowassa ndo baba yetu, Legwanan wetu, mgombea wetu makini.
ccm mmeshajimix, hatukubali ku fall kwenye provocation yenu, sisi ni makini si dhaifu kama nyie, sisi ni mutoto ya mujini
Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipoooooooooooooooozzzzz........
Thank you!!Let me start with that which is something am sure you believe in (Principle), expanding on it gives;
The moment you begin thinking of ways to get "easy wins" is the moment you become corrupt!
Now that is a fact and that is exactly what is happening with CDM and this Lowasa thing. Look for an easier way to win whatever the cost. That guy on your profile picture, do you know who was his opposite during his time? Malcom X. They all wanted the same thing but they had fundamental differences in the principals on how they are going to get there. Malcom X believed on the whatever it takes approach while that guy on the picture believed on taking the morally correct path to victory however hard that path.
In these few days, CDM has successful managed to transform their mission from delivery of a better, democratic and fair Tanzania to take CCM out whatever the cost and worry about tomorrow when tomorrow gets there. While that may turn good (and MM finished his post saying, "i remain a skeptic"), but with invitation of Lowasa you are guaranteed for a CCM like tomorrow or most likely worst.
What makes Lowasa powerfull is what comes with Lowasa. And that is TeamLowasa and every other shady character that CDM has ever pointed finger at. You don't just get Lowasa, you get all of that. That becomes part and parcel of a democratic CDM. A new CDM member and an old CMD member all have the same rights. And these people are not your regular CMD members, these are guys that can exert a significant influence and they are coming in CMD in a position of power. They are not being helped by CDM, they are helping CDM take on CCM.
Once Lowasa is president, he is president. Do you even know the kind of power a president of this country has? To think that CDM will be able to control him through party meetings is simply being naive! There is a right and wrong way of doing things, that is a fact. Getting bad people to fight other bad people for you is a good strategy except that keeping the bad people as your leader as they defeated the other bad people is simply suicidal.
I have read some other arguments that, this is just to change the political dynamics and prove that a ruling party can be replaced in TZ. But that is simply explaining hard issues with simple whatever fits answers (the ones that CCM ministers always gives in the parliament). You cant just turn the future of the entire nation into a big SOCIAL EXPERIMENT and see how it goes!!! And to expand on that, this kind of experiment has been done before in many countries in Africa with complete total failure. And it is a scientific fact that, an experiment which takes same inputs under the same conditions will ALL THE TIME GIVES THE SAME RESULTS.
What is wrong with People!!!
Huwezi kutisha watu wazima!CCM Ni Chama Dola!Hayo mengine yooote ni porojo tu na matukio ambayo yatapita kama mengine mengi tu yalivyopita lkn mwisho wa siku Bw.Pombe Magufuli ndiyo raisi ajaye wa JMT na zaidi ya 3/4 ya Bunge lijalo litaundwa na CCM!
Kwa kukumbusha tu Wakuu wa Mikoa wote ndiyo Maraisi wa Mikoa, Wakuu wa Wilaya wote ndiyo Maraisi wa Wilaya na hakuna linalofanyika Wilayani kwake bila idhaa yake, Tume ya Uchaguzi iko chini ya Serikali ya JMT na Kiongozi wake anaweza kufukuzwa au kuhamishwa muda wowote ule na Raisi wa JMT, Matokeo ya Uraisi wa JMT hayapingwi kwenye Chombo chochote kile halali TanZania, na mwisho na labda la muhimu kuliko yote Raisi wa JMT ni raisi mpaka pale Raisi mpya atakapoapishwa!
Usisahau pia wafadhili Lowasa kama akina Mengi, Rostamu ni moja kati ya wadaiwa sugu wa Serikali ya JMT!
Sasa kama Lowasa ana uwezo wa kuivusha CHADEMA kwenye vihunzi vyote hivyo basi atakuwa Raisi wa JMT hapo 2016!