Mweusi kaoa Mweupee

Gaijin · Dec 17, 2012

Full Moon said:
sheria zipo na zinambana..its a matter of both international law na domestic law..tatizo si kuwepo kwa sheria bali ni watanzania wengi hawana habari nayo na hawajihusishi, wanabaki tu kulalamika kuwa wameonewa badala ya kwenda kwa mwanasheria awasaidie..

Msingi wa racism si matter ya kusema huyu jamaa anapenda wazungu tu basi yeye ni mbaguzi, la hasha..msingi unaenda chini ya hapo, unakuta kama wewe kuwa hataki kusoma na weusi, hawataki weusi nchini mwake, hataki mwanae aoelewe na mweusi etc etc..you have to go deeper and see if he is really racist..yaani kwa mtazamo wako kama ni wa uhakika basi hata mimi ni racist maana napenda zaidi kuwa na demu mwaarabu na si mweusi, sasa how can i be racist wakati mm ni mweusi tayari? sina hata chembe ya ubaguzi ndani mwangu, nimekuwa tu na mademu weusi na kuona sasa basi, nataka aina nyingine.

Inabidi uelewe kuwa kila mtu ana preference yake..mtu anaweza akasema sitaki kuoa mweusi lkn hana hata chembe ya ubaguzi, its just his own taste

Mkubwa mimi sijakataa kuwa kuna preferences duniani. Kwa mfano ninaweza kusema na-prefer a white to a black iphone. Ila hivyo ni vitu sio watu.

Ninachotaka kujifunza inakuwaje mtu anaprefer a certain race of people? Kwa sababu sio watu wote wa race hiyo wana muonekano sawa, tabia wala hulka zinazofanana.

Mfano wako wewe hapo, unapenda Waarabu. Waarabu kimuonekano wanatofautiana ukianzia weupe wenye singa na macho ya grey/kijani hadi weusi na macho meusi na nywele ngumu. Tabia na tamaduni pia ni tofauti baina ya nchi na nchi na mtu na mtu

Unaposema una prefer race una prefer nini?

Full Moon · Dec 17, 2012

Nyani Ngabu said:
Msingi wa racism ni imani kuwa watu wa rangi fulani ni bora kuliko watu wa rangi zingine na hivyo kupelekea kuwadharau, kuwanyanyasa, na kuwatendea visivyo, kwa ujumla.

Msingi wa preference ni mapenzi kwa kitu au mtu bila ya kujiona wewe ni bora zaidi ya wengine kwa misingi ya kubagua.

Ni vitu viwili tofauti kabisa.

Racism has many forms mate..its not possible to specifically define it as you have put forward, what you have put forward is racial supremacy which goes with individual racism ,but that is just one form..there are so many others like cultural racism, institutional racism, other articles also have xenophobia as a form of racism.

Preference goes with right to respect of private life, but as i have told Gaijin that this right has limitations, its not an absolute right, therefore its limited in many forms and one example is discrimination based on race..but do always remember that a person has the liberty to choose his own marriage based on race, this doesnt mean he is racist. There is a fine line that separates the two.

Fidel80 · Dec 17, 2012

Gaijin said:
Bila ya shaka racism inaanza kwenye preferences.

Sio suala la mtu kulazimishwa kumpenda mwafrika bali ni kuangalia chanzo cha mtu kuwa na preferences ambazo zinafungamana na race.

Zinaanzaje?

Na jee kama atajua sheria haitambana (Tanzania case in point), preferences zake zitafikia wapi?

Mi napenda kuoa mwarabu kwa hiyo ni racist?

Nyani Ngabu · Dec 17, 2012

Full Moon said:
Racism has many forms mate..its not possible to specifically define it as you have put forward, what you have put forward is racial supremacy which goes with individual racism ,but that is just one form..there are so many others like cultural racism, institutional racism, other articles also have xenophobia as a form of racism.

What you are talking about here is discrimination. But racism as defined by Merriam-webster is :

1 : poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

2 : the belief that some races of people are better than others

Nyani Ngabu · Dec 17, 2012

Fidel80 said:
Mi napenda kuoa mwarabu kwa hiyo ni racist?

Hapana. Kama tu unapenda kuoa Mwarabu wewe siyo racist.

Gaijin · Dec 17, 2012

Fidel80 said:
Mi napenda kuoa mwarabu kwa hiyo ni racist?

Mwarabu ndo nani?

Full Moon · Dec 17, 2012

Gaijin said:
Mkubwa mimi sijakataa kuwa kuna preferences duniani. Kwa mfano ninaweza kusema na-prefer a white to a black iphone. Ila hivyo ni vitu sio watu.

Ninachotaka kujifunza inakuwaje mtu anaprefer a certain race of people? Kwa sababu sio watu wote wa race hiyo wana muonekano sawa, tabia wala hulka zinazofanana.

Mfano wako wewe hapo, unapenda Waarabu. Waarabu kimuonekano wanatofautiana ukianzia weupe wenye singa na macho ya grey/kijani hadi weusi na macho meusi na nywele ngumu. Tabia na tamaduni pia ni tofauti baina ya nchi na nchi na mtu na mtu

Unaposema una prefer race una prefer nini?

I mean that I prefer to marry an Arabian to a black african, arabs have many forms yeah but the ones i like are from Lebanon they are hot according to me.

People prefer other races due to many reasons, using me as an example, this is due to my own experience..i once met an arabian who was damn hot and we had a chance to talk about their culture, life etc etc which made me in love with them. This is how I became determined to at least try and marry an arab in my life.

Gaijin · Dec 17, 2012

Full Moon said:
I mean that I prefer to marry an Arabian to a black african, arabs have many forms yeah but the ones i like are from Lebanon they are hot according to me.

People prefer other races due to many reasons, using me as an example, this is due to my own experience..i once met an arabian who was damn hot and we had a chance to talk about their culture, life etc etc which made me in love with them. This is how I became determined to at least try and marry an arab in my life.

Kimsingi wewe huna preference ya kuoa Mwarabu tu bali na Mtu wa aina fulani kama huyo Mlebanon uliyemuona.

Kwa hiyo kusema unapendelea kuoa race fulani ni uongo, kwa sababu sio kama yoyote tu kwenye race hiyo utaridhika nae

Full Moon · Dec 17, 2012

Nyani Ngabu said:
What you are talking about here is discrimination. But racism as defined by Merriam-webster is :

1 : poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

2 : the belief that some races of people are better than others

From wikipedia:

Racism involves the belief in racial differences, which acts as a justification for non-equal treatment (which some regard as "discrimination") of members of that race. The term is commonly used negatively and is usually associated with race-based prejudice, violence, dislike, discrimination, or oppression, the term can also have varying and contested definitions

My analysis:

The second point you made is racial supremacy, a form of racism but not definite. First point can be constituted in many ways such as through institutionalized racism or individual racism..these are all forms but not definite..racism encompasses many aspects..it can be demonstrated through discrimination or indirect discrimination etc

According to the UN definition of racism: the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, ofhuman rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

UN. doesnt define racism, it just defines racial discrimination..its hard to define racism but its possible to point out its forms..Merriam-webster just used ambigous statements to try and define it, i should point out she was unsuccessful because she left many other forms out of her definition.

Full Moon · Dec 17, 2012

Gaijin said:
Kimsingi wewe huna preference ya kuoa Mwarabu tu bali na Mtu wa aina fulani kama huyo Mlebanon uliyemuona.

Kwa hiyo kusema unapendelea kuoa race fulani ni uongo, kwa sababu sio kama yoyote tu kwenye race hiyo utaridhika nae

kweli kiaina lakini nah, umegeneralize sana kwenye point yako ya pili..sasa kama umependa kuoa mwanamke race aina fulani inaamanisha kuwa upenda watu wote wa hiyo race? Hapana..inaamanisha kuwa ntatafuta mlebanon, kama nikimpata ntaona kama tunapendana au lah na mambo mengine etc etc yatafuata. Kama nisimpopata fresh tu

Gaijin · Dec 17, 2012

Full Moon said:
kweli kiaina lakini nah, umegeneralize sana kwenye point yako ya pili..sasa kama umependa kuoa mwanamke race aina fulani inaamanisha kuwa upenda watu wote wa hiyo race? Hapana..inaamanisha kuwa ntatafuta mlebanon, kama nikimpata ntaona kama tunapendana au lah na mambo mengine etc etc yatafuata. Kama nisimpopata fresh tu

Basi sema mimi natafuta Mlebanon na sio Mwarabu. Kwa sababu Waarabu wengi zaidi hawafanani na Walebanon kuliko wanaofanana nao.

Wewe hutaki kuoa Mwarabu, unataka kuoa Mlebanon

King Kong III · Dec 17, 2012

Weka ile picha ya fabinyo na mkewe!

Idimi · Dec 17, 2012

Full Moon said:
..kama mimi, napenda sana mademu wa waarab, nikipata mmoja Insha'Allah ntamuweka lock ndani kabisa.

Waarabu rahisi sana kuwapata, hasa kwa miko ya Pwani. Ila ingekuwa unataka kuoa Mhindi ningeshangaa, kwa sababu ni veyr rare kukuta Mhindi kaoa ama kuolewa na m'bongo!

Full Moon · Dec 17, 2012

Idimi said:
Waarabu rahisi sana kuwapata, hasa kwa miko ya Pwani. Ila ingekuwa unataka kuoa Mhindi ningeshangaa, kwa sababu ni veyr rare kukuta Mhindi kaoa ama kuolewa na m'bongo!

eeeh, mbona mimi natokea bagamoyo alafu hata siwaonagi? Wahindi wagumu sanaa..inabidi upitie stage za uhakika ndo unampata.

Elizabeth Dominic · Dec 17, 2012

Full Moon said:
kweli kiaina lakini nah, umegeneralize sana kwenye point yako ya pili..sasa kama umependa kuoa mwanamke race aina fulani inaamanisha kuwa upenda watu wote wa hiyo race? Hapana..inaamanisha kuwa ntatafuta mlebanon, kama nikimpata ntaona kama tunapendana au lah na mambo mengine etc etc yatafuata. Kama nisimpopata fresh tu

je ukimpata asiye mlebanon "mwarabu" halafu ana sifa unazopendelea?

Full Moon · Dec 17, 2012

Elizabeth Dominic said:
je ukimpata asiye mlebanon "mwarabu" halafu ana sifa unazopendelea?

Nitamwoa bila hata kufikiria mara mbili. Statement yangu ya mwisho ilisema "kama nisimpopata fresh tu", mlebanon ni kama tu wish, but not that i will be holding myself back from not being with anyone that i love. 🙂

Steve Dii · Dec 17, 2012

Nyani Ngabu said:
.... Some like the caramel kind, others prefer the crunchy black, and etc.

...

...samahani, hiyo juu underlined ni rangi gani kwa Kiswahili? Nitashukuru ukitoa mfano kwa picha...

Gaijin · Dec 17, 2012

Steve Dii said:
...samahani, hiyo juu underlined ni rangi gani kwa Kiswahili? Nitashukuru ukitoa mfano kwa picha...

Naunga mkono hoja

fabinyo · Dec 17, 2012

King Kong III said:
Weka ile picha ya fabinyo na mkewe!

hiii tukiwa tumelala!!inawezekana

YETOOO · Dec 17, 2012

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