MkenyaMzalendo
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- Sep 12, 2010
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Nadhani tatizo kubwa linalokumba jitihada za kueneza kiswahili ni uvumi baina ya waTz ambao hufikiria ya kwamba Kiswahili chao ndicho chapaswa kuigwa na wengine. This is as ridiculous as Americans telling the British to use the American English version na waache kusema tyres, lorries, boot, bitumen n.k. na waanze kutimia majina kama vile tires, trucks, trunk na asphalt. Si huo ni upumbavu?
Ukweli ni kuwa matumizi ya lugha yanalingana na muktadha ambao lugha inatumika na kutakuwa na tofauti ya msamiati unaotumiwa katika kiswahili chenu na cha huko Kenya. There are some words I have heard being used in your version that I have never heard in the Kenyan version (ok, most I get from Bongo flava songs. Mitungi, blanti mikasii--these are completely unknown in Kenya--although I suspect they are slang words).
Nadhani my point was that your first reaction should have been to celebrate that Microsoft appear to appreciate the importance of Swahili in this part of the world, which should be a good thing, no matter which version has been used. If anything, it means that it's actually possible to sell the idea to Microsoft of having some of your translators contribute to a TZ version iliyo na "Kiswahili fasaha"
Jamani tusibweteke... Sisi WaTz hatuko active. Wenzetu Wakenya akili yao imechangamka sana. Wanatafuta opportunities na wanakubalika. Ni wachapakazi kwa kweli. Nenda kwenye ofisi zao ulinganishe na Tz. Au nenda Barclays Kenya ulinganishe na Barclays Tz. Yaani hizi nchi mbili zimeachana sana tukubali tusikubali. Mimi huwa nazifananisha na dini fulani kubwa duniani. Tubadirike.
Nakubalia na wewe kwamba kuna tofauti fulani kwenye entrepreneurship kati ya wakenya na watanzania lakini tusichanganye hii issue na attitude ya manipulation. Mlima Kilimanjaro uko Tanzania lakini hadi sasa kuna baadhi wanatangaza uko Kenya hiyo ni manipulation, au kwa lugha nyingine utapeli si entrepreneurship. Kutafuta fedha kwa udi na uvumba hata kwa utapeli kwa tikei ya entrepreneurship kama wanigeria wanavyofanya mimi sikubalani nako. Watanzania tuna culture yetu ya kuheshimiana na kupendana kama ndugu ambayo Kenya hawana na hii lazima tuidumishe na kui cherish. Tuna maadili kama ndugu si kurafuta fedha tu. Hapa duniani cha muhimu si fedha tu.
Ni kweli mkuu, sisi twaishi kwa kupendana na kuheshimiana na hizo tabia tulizonazo zilikuwa za kijamaa. Lakini dunia imebadirika. Na sisi Tanzania na dunia kwa jumla hatuamini tena katika Ujamaa. Suala la Mt. Kilimanjaro ni upuuzi wetu tu. Tena ni ushenzi uliotukuka. Tumefanya nini kujitangaza kwamba Mt. Kilimanjaro ipo Tanzania? Wenye mahoteli Arusha na Kilimanjaro nao wameshindwa kuutangaza wakati wanaona serikali imelala. Tena sasa waKenya wanasema Mt. Kilimanjaro ipo Tz ila yaonekana vizuri tokea kwao. Tungetaka kuutumia kwa manufaa yetu wala hawataweza kufanya manipulation zozote. Wametuona sisi mabwege, tunachezea shilingi chooni. Wanachofanya hicho si kigeni katika biashara. Nimekuwa naenda sana kwa hawa jamaa kama wengine wetu wafanyavyo. Mtanzania akiwa katika kundi la hawa jamaa utamtambua tu, wao wana haraka, wanajua waendako. Wanatembea haraka. Hawazubai zubai njiani. Na hizo ndio attitude ambazo kwa ulimwengu wa sasa hazihitajiki na pia zinatuangusha hata katikasoko la ajira. Tuko slow kwa kila kitu, kufikiri, kutenda, ku lobby, yaani we acha tu.
Hehehe. Its probably because the translators were based there. By the way, I have also seen people from Tz criticizing Facebook (swahili version) and Swahili Gmail eti kuwa kiswahili kinachotumiwa kwa mitandao hio ni cha kiKenya. Labda jambo muhimu ni kuwa na taasisi inayosimamia lugha katika nchi zote za Afrika mashariki ili ku-standardize Swahili.
I am sure we will hear of similar complaints from Windows 7. But I think its a good start. I am not sure i works with Office 2007 so I will probably not download it at the moment
nadhani wangeweka versions..yani ken na tz version maana hawa ndo wamiliki wakuu wa kiswahili
nilijaribu kutumia simu yenye OS ya kiswahili nikashindwa kabisa kuoanisha maneno,labda wangelaunch Beta ili watu waitathmin na kuwapa feedback..ni mtazamo tu
Mimi sijawahi kutana na mtu yeyote anayesisitiza kuwa Mlima kilimanjaro umo Kenya. Hata kwa curriculum yetu nakumbuka tulifunzwa hivyo. Lakini yafaa pia historia izingatiwe. Huu mlima ulikuwa Kenya na ulikabithiwa Tz na Wazungu waliotawala Kenya siku za jadi. Labda kuna wale watu hughadhabishwa na hatua hio lakini mimi sioni kwa nini hii issue hukera waTz wengi jinsi hii. I've never seen a serious marketer claiming that the mountain is actually in Kenya, although I can contemplate a tour operator including kilimanjaro as part of a tour package. What is wrong with that? for as long as anyone who goes there and pay relevant fees to Authorities, this shouldn't be an issue. Too many care about such minor issues it worries me.
we hata kama wata-launch hiyo swahili version ya window 7 kwa matumizi ya kiswahili bado sana na kwa ufupi tu haiwezekani.
Hata nchi hizo unazozisema kama China n.k ni kweli wameendelea na wanatumia lugha yao,lakini ukweli ni kwamba hata hao wanasomaKiingereza tena kwa nguvu sana siku hizi,kumekuwa ni Lazima kwa kusoma English kuanzia primary hadi High school.
Na Familia nyingi siku hizi wanaanza kusoma English tangu Nurseries tena kwa nguvu sana.
Ukiangalia wanafunzi vyuoni, vyuo vingi vinafundishwa kwa kichina wa wachina, lakini Post-graduate nyingi esp. za science,medicine .et.c wanatuia kiingereza hata maaandalizi yao ya thesis vyuo vingine ni lazima kwa kiingereza.
Hapa ni nanchotaka kusema sio kwamba nakidharau Kiswahili..la hasha..ila ni uhalisia wake wa kufundishia kwani kuna misamiati mingi sana ambayo hat haijulikani kwa kiswahili ni nini.
Pili most of knowledge are stored in Englsih Language ,ndio maana hat wachina wanasoma English kwa nguvu sana ili kuweza kupata hiyo knowledge iliyohifadhiwa kwa kiingereza.
Tutataka kiswahili, je teaching material sipo?? zinatosha ??
Kama shule za primary tu vifaa vya kufundishia bado havitoshi, sembuse na chuoni?
Hehehe. Its probably because the translators were based there. By the way, I have also seen people from Tz criticizing Facebook (swahili version) and Swahili Gmail eti kuwa kiswahili kinachotumiwa kwa mitandao hio ni cha kiKenya. Labda jambo muhimu ni kuwa na taasisi inayosimamia lugha katika nchi zote za Afrika mashariki ili ku-standardize Swahili.
I am sure we will hear of similar complaints from Windows 7. But I think its a good start. I am not sure i works with Office 2007 so I will probably not download it at the moment
Tena niulize, kuna tofauti gani baina ya Kiswahili kinachotumika katika pwani ya Kenya (ambacho ndio standard ya lugha inayotumiwa katika Windows 7 na pia katika wavuti zinginezo) na Kiswahili cha Tz?
Naomba nipingane na mawazo yako mengi hasa hapo blue....... Si kweli kuwa kiingereza ndicho che ujuzi mwingi au ujuzi mwingi uko katika kiingereza...... suala ni kwamba ujuzi wa mwanzo kabisa na wa kisasa uliingia nchi zetu au hata sasa unaingia nchi zetu kwa lugha ya kiingereza. Ndiyo maana watu wengi wanahusianisha elimu au ujuzi na kiingereza. hivyo mtu yeyote ambaye anaongea kiingereza basi anatafsiriwa kama vile anajua vitu..... hivi kwamba hata wengine wanahisi kwamba mtu yeyote ambaye anaongea kiingereza basi ni intelligent. Hiyo ipo sana kwa nchi kama Kenya na Malawi, wengi hudhani usipojua kiingereza basi ninyi si intelligent. Sasa kwa mimi ambaye nimezunguka maeneo mengi ya dunia kama vile Continental Europe, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, South america, Asia ......... wala sihusianishi kiingereza na ujuzi/elimu ...... mimi naona ni lugha tu kama vile kisukuma, kichina, kijapani,nk..... Nasema hivvyo kwa maana kuna kipindi nimeenda Japan nikaona mavitu yao ya kisayansi waliyoyabuni halafu maelekezo yote ni ya kijapani... hapo ndipo nikachoka....Vivyo hivyo nikaenda Netherlands nikaona jinsi walivyo reclaim land..... ni balaa......Nikaenda Sweden nikaona sub-way (matreni ya chini ya ardhi)...... yaani hao wote wana mavitu kwa lugha zao za asili....... sasa nikiona hivyo napata shida sana kuamini kwamba kiingereza is equivalent na ujuzi....... mimi naona pengine ukoloni wa waingereza umettufanya tuamini hivyo.....napenda kuita colonial hangover, kasumba ya ukoloni ndilo tatizo letu..... utakuta mtu kutoka nje ya nchi hana ujuzi wowote lakini kwa sababu anaongea kiingerza basi anapata ajira..... ni tatizo kubwa sana...
Pia cha kukumbuka ni kuwa maneno mengi ya kisayansi ya kiingereza yametoholewa kutoka kilatini na kigiriki..... hivyo kiingereza si stoo ya ujuzi...