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Mgonja, Ndulu differ on Tangold ownership

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by BAK, May 8, 2008.

  1. BAK

    BAK JF-Expert Member

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    Mgonja, Ndulu differ on Tangold ownership

    By Richard Mgamba and Mkinga Mkinga

    Confusion on who were the real owners of Tangold - the predecessor of the defunct Meremeta Gold - yesterday took another twist after two senior government officials gave contradicting statements.

    Whereas Treasury permanent secretary Gray Mgonja assured The Citizen that he had acted as a signatory to the firm's bank account on behalf of the Government, Bank of Tanzania governor Prof Benno Ndulu said he had no clue as to who where the company's real owners.

    The contradiction started after The Citizen asked Mr Mgonja to state who owned the shadowy company.

    ''Just contact the Bank of Tanzania� they are the ones who know exactly who owns this company,'' he replied.

    But reached for comment, Prof Ndulu said:

    ''Tangold is not part of BoT projects and please don't associate the central bank with that company.

    ''People might say that we know Tangold because former governor Dr Daudi Ballali was one of its directors, but this bank now is under new management.''

    Prof Ndulu told The Citizen over the phone that he was also told that Tangold was owned by the Government, but added that there was neither proof nor adequate information.

    BoT is reported to have paid Sh155 billion to Meremeta gold which collapsed soon after.

    The cash was paid through a South African bank.

    Tangold is said to have taken over all business and debts of Meremeta.

    The ownership has been an issue of great concern with parliamentarians questioning why the company was paid so much money for purposes that are still unclear.

    In an interview with The Citizen in Dar es Salaam yesterday, Mr Mgonja said:

    ''I believe that Tangold is a government-owned firm and I was one of its directors.''

    Mr Mgonja's remarks come amid reports that the presidential select committee tasked with reviewing mining contracts had failed to establish who are the real owners of Tangold as well as the defunct Meremeta.

    ''May be there's something fishy that I don't know about this company.

    But as far as I am concerned, it is owned a hundred per cent by the Government,'' Mr Mgonja insisted.

    Registered in Mauritius

    According to reports made available to this newspaper, Tangold was registered in Mauritius in 2005 as an offshore company.

    This is despite the former minister for Energy and Minerals, Mr Nazir Karamagi, telling Parliament last August that the firm was fully owned by the Government.

    Independent sources suggest that Tangold was registered on April 8, 2005 as an offshore company in Mauritius with a registration No. C 205006121.

    Ten months after it was registered, it was subsequently incorporated as a branch of a foreign company at Business Registration and Licensing Authority (Brela). It was given a certificate of compliance No. 55661 of February 20, 2006.

    A few months after the defunct Meremeta was dubiously paid billions of shillings, Tangold was also paid by BoT a total of $13.7 million (Sh17 billion) through a bank in Dar es Salaam.

    However, the company also failed to operate the Buhemba Gold mine.

    Tangold claimed that it wasn�t able to operate Buhemba Gold mine, advising that another company with expertise in large-scale mining takes over.

    Tangold management entered into a contract with a South African based Time Mining company to operate the mine.

    One of the key conditions was that Time Mining would mine, process and export gold.

    Thereafter it would report to the BoT governor about the total ounces of gold produced and sold abroad.

    But, after mining gold for about one year, Time Mining closed down its business last year, citing low deposit at the mine.

    Responding to Dr Willibrod Slaa�s questions about ''tricks'' played at the mine, Mr Karamagi told the 13th session of the Parliament in August last year, that Tangold was 100 per cent owned by the Government.

    However, the Memorandum and Articles of Association filed during the registration of the company do not show in any of the articles or even by implication, that Tangold is a government owned company.

    For instance, section 7 of the Memorandum and Articles of Association indicates that the shares may be transferred to members of the Family of the Shareholders that is father, mother, wife, and children.

    This construction according to legal procedures can only happen to private owned but not in a memorandum of a company owned 100 per cent by the Government.

    According to investigations by The Citizen, the Registrar of Treasury, who owns in trust all government property does not appear anywhere in the statutory documents of Tangold.

    In June last year, Mr Karamagi assured the Parliament that the defunct Meremeta Gold company was jointly owned by the Government and Trenex Pty Ltd.

    Mr Karamagi added that, Tangold, which was another company formed by the Government to takeover all business of the defunct Meremeta gold, was fully owned by the government.

    ''As I said earlier Meremeta suspended its operation legally whereby its debts and assets were transferred to a new company called Tangold, which is 100 per cent owned by the Government.''

    Mr Karamagi who resigned in February this year after he was implicated in Richmond scandal report assured the Parliament.

    With Presidential select mining inquiry committee expected to handle-over its report to the head of state this week, Tangold and Meremeta are among the thorny issues that are expected to re-emerge.
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    Tuandamane JF-Expert Member

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    Nashindwa hata pakuanzia jamani, this is too much
  3. Alnadaby

    Alnadaby JF-Expert Member

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    If BOT chief says Tangold is not owned by the government,and the Minstry of Finance Principal Secretary recognizes the government ownership of the company,then who is telling the truth? Who is credible in the eyes of the people between the two?One of them is telling the truth and the other is not,yet they both serve the same government.
  4. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    Yaani Gray anasema "anaamini" serikali inamiliki kampuni hiyo...? hizi imani za watu wenye akili...
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    Jasusi JF-Expert Member

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    Kuamini tu hakutoshi. Kama Mgonja ni signatory wa hiyo kampuni kama anavyodai basi atupe ushahidi wa nani anaimiliki. Kama ni serikali atuambie mapato yake yanakwenda wapi. Who is being paid for what?
  6. FairPlayer

    FairPlayer JF-Expert Member

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    Kweli DIRECTOR wa kampuni ambaye article of association inamruhusu kupasisha shares zake kwenye kampuni ANAAMINI NI MALI YA SERIKALI!!!!!!!!

    Hawa watu hawapo serious kabisaaaa

    Nadhani Tanzania tunahitaji adhabu ya kupiga risasi majangili na mafisadi pale uwanja wa Taifa mchana saa saba.

    Nimekasirika sana jamani.

    Hii ni kutufanya sote hatuna akili!!
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    So BOT pays a company over 160 million dollars and nobody knows who owns the company.

    If it's owned by the government why the hell was it registered in Mauritus?

    Please someone tell me this is a bad joke.

    These people people never fail to amaze me. Another sad day for Tanzania and Tanzanians

    :( :( :( :(: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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    nkurumah Member

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    i dont hv any to say because these leaders of our wanatuona kama blinds & duffs
  9. MwanaHabari

    MwanaHabari JF-Expert Member

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    Hivi, why would a government owned company be registered i missing something
  10. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    Gray Mgonja ambaye tumeambiwa "ana akili sana" na ni mtua mbaye ameshiriki dili nyingi sana kiasi kwamba amefikia mahali kuamini vitu vya ajabu..
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    Hawa watu wenye "akili sana" wewe acha tu!
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    Nimeshikwa na butwaa, siamini.
    Kweli unaidhinisha fedha nyingi kiasi hicho halafu hujui unampa nani?? Je ni kiasi gani ameshaidhinisha na hajui ziliko kwenda.

    Gray Mgonja utalindwa mpaka lini, unapumua hazina kwa nguvu ya nani?

    Benno Ndullu nawe tuletee majibu yenye uhakika, mwenzio alikuwa Director wa huo uchafu mafaili yapo ni nani hasa mmiliki wa kweli au hayupo kabisa. beleshi liitwe beleshi sio kijiko kikubwa. Mzee umewekwa bot kusafisha uozo. Tueleze wananchi ni akina nani walikuwa ni tangogold na meremeta. Ni nani alikuwa anapokea fedha kama sio "sirikali". ?????????

    jamani tukifungua macho na masikio vizuri utuona usanii mchana.

    Lazima apigwe mtu mawe ya mbwa mwizi, kuleta heshima na adabu Tanzania. Kama akili nyingi ni za mgonja mmmmhhhhh we acha tu.
  13. BAK

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    Ndiyo maana mimi nasema tuna kikundi cha wahuni tu ambao wanajifanya viongozi ili watumie mianya iliyokuwepo kujitajirisha kwa ufisadi.

    Katibu Mkuu na aliyekuwa naibu gavana na sasa Gavan wa BoT hawana rekodi zozote za kuonyesha ni yupi kati yao anayeongea ukweli kuhusiana na umiliki wa kampuni hiyo iliyojichotia mabilioni ya shilingi. Wote hawa ni wasomi lakini wanaongea kama hawajaenda shule. Leteni supporting documents za kusupport arguments zenu kuhusiana na umiliki wa Tangold, siyo kuzungumza kama kasuku.

    Kama mimi ningekuwa Rais wa nchi wote hawa ni wa kufukuza kazi maana kazi imewashinda. Lakini...well huyu muungwana tuliye naye amekuwa ni dhaifu mno alidhani kuwa Rais wa nchi ni lelemama, sasa anapwaya katika kila kona ya utendaji.
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    chausiku Member

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    mtasema sana ila kula (ufisadi) hatuachi!! hiyo ni midomo midomo tu haina madhara....mkitaka kujua hizo kampuni za nani nendeni mahakamani, ulizeni na mtajibiwa! period!
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    dush!total crap!what has JK got to say about this?
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    Hapa nanusa bomu litakalomungoa Mgonja serikalini halafu naye atangaze uadui na JK.

    Katika wakurugenzi wa tangold amebaki yeye na Ruta.
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    BUBU ataka kusema na fikiri huu mwaka utongea subiri mambo mengi yanakuja hayo ni mwanzo ....kuondoka kwa chenge ni neema kwa watanzania....wameanza kurushaiaana ili mmoja wasije kuulizwa mbele ya safari kazi ipo....
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    hawa watu hakuna haja ya kuwafukuza sasahivi nafikiri serikali wakimbilie kwenye acc zaio za ndani na nje wazi freez kwanza huku wakiwa madarakani ..then watueleze hiyo kampuni ni ya nani..hivi unafikiri huyu jk ni mjinga ajui hii kampuni?anaifahamu vizuri ila watanzania tunapoeleka hatari..hii kampuni CHENGE NI MMOJA WA WAKURUGENZI NA NDIE ALIEHAMISHA DOLLER 600,000 KWENYE ACC YAKE KWENDA KWA MHE IDRISSA RASHID ....WA TANESCO MNAFIKIRI TATAFIKA..HUYU RASHID NAYE WAMCHUNGUZE NA KWA WATAARIFA HAWA WAKURUGENZI WA MAKAMPUNI NI WEZI SANA NA HATA KUONA MAWAZIRI KAMA MAKONGORO AKIWATETEA NI KUTOKANA NA MGAO ANAOUPATA ..NA SI MAKONGORO PEKEE WAKO WENGI TWENE POLEP[OLE TEN PERC ITAWAUA WENGI....MWISHO WA SIKU MUNGU ATAWANYANYUA WATANZANIA NA KUWA WASHINDI
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    and yet Mr. Hon. President still trust Mgonja. Mimi ningekuwa Mkuu wa polisi ningeanza kuwakamata akina mgonja na Chenge waseme vizuri. Mgonja ni Katibu Mkuu, hajui orodha ya mali za Serikali inawekwa wapi? huwa anafunga vipi mahesabu? Maana kipengere cha assets ni muhimu sana katika Final accounts. Tumeliwa!
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    Mwafrika wa Kike JF-Expert Member

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    Hawa watu wenye "akili sana" ndio wanatuponza... hebu fuatilia profile ya Chenge, Balali, na huyu Mgonja ....