Maoni ya Juma Mwapachu kuhusu maslahi ya Tanzania katika EAC

[msemakweli]

Kimweri
Regional integration is inevitable my friend. The sooner we accept it the better. I think the American states developed to where they are thanks to their unity. None of the states was significant before the union.
And i think people like you should give Tanzania due credit. Don't you trust that we can do this?
Remember that the federal government will ONLY be in charge of things like defence, foreign affairs, international trade and wait for it INFRASTRUCTURE. Central corridor yetu itakuwa more feasible if done by the EA federation. Tulilalamika land wakasema sawa watatuachia (it will be under the control of individual states).....natural resources pia kila mtu atabaki na vyake. Tumepewa hata chance ya kuhost the EA federal capital. Imagine the structures that will come up in Arusha if the EA federation comes to fruition?!
I dont know about you but i'd like to see future young Tanzanians maybe go to Kenya for secondary education then go to Makerere University FREELY!
All statistics so far point to the fact that Tz has been the biggest gainer so far of the EA federation.
But we just have to strengthen our private sector first. Give it time to mature. Once that is done, i don't see why we should be the odd ones!

 

[Tokyo40]

Mkuu IAfrika.

Bepari= capitalist
Bwenyenye= communist term for a Capitalist

Ubepari = soko huru

Capitalism= free market economy

There is no distinction between the two. Most countries have a free economy and a fair amount of "socialism" to help those in need such as welfare payments, free housing for the needy, unemployment insurance and free medical care.

About tax payments, I disagree that Bepari somewhat have a tendency to cheat more. By human nature, most humans are not willing to part with their hard earned money. They will use all kinds of tax loopholes to reduce their tax burden. You might call him a traitor but if you have a tax rate of 50% or more after certain amount, you and I will do the same. They say there are only two things you can't escape in life: death and taxes.

You are absolutely right about corporations and rich people bribing politicians but it happens in every country. In America, you can lawfully fund a politician's campaign as much as any politician can in Tanzania. They in turn, get policies which favour them in their businesses and have the ear of the politician. You have seen pictures of our rich Tanzanians summoned to Ikulu for a talk with the President and pictures of other businessmen signing a check the opposition.

Corporations answer to the shareholders in America. That's why they will do anything to maximize profits including selling you a mortgage you can't afford. It does not mean capitalism as a system has failed but it follows closely the human nature's need and greed.

That is why it's important to have strong regulations to control some of that greedy behaviour. And regulations can be fine tuned to suit the needs of the country. For example, until 2 years ago, it was illegal in capitalist Japan to campaign in the Internet like it is done in America. Some countries also prohibit campaign donations or limit to certain amount.
You do not want to be caught avoiding taxes in America. The jail terms are stiff, ask Wesley Snipes.
Americans must also file tax report every year wherever they live. Foreign income is also taxed after certain amount. Due to this reason and stiff prison sentences if you don't comply, many filthy rich or American businessmen living overseas renounce their citizenships at a rate of over 1000 a year.

It is also harder to hide income in tax havens. Banks in Switzerland alone have been fined over a billion dollars for hiding assets of wealthy Americans. In fact, renouncing American citizenship was one of the ways banks advised in order to accept their deposits.

All in all, history has proven that capitalism, with all its imperfections, is the best way to increase productivity and bring prosperity to the human race.

 

[Kimweri]

Mkuu, nashukuru kwa maoni yako. Naomba nikujibu.

1. EAC ya miaka ya madikteta sio EAC ya leo. Watanzania kama wewe na mimi tuna sauti ya kutoa maoni yetu kuhusu huu umoja. Kwa nionavyo mimi kama mfanyabiashara na mlipe kodi, Tanzania ndani ya EAC ina faida kuliko nje.

Kwa kuwa uzalishaji wetu ni mdogo, Viwanda vya Kenya vimetusaidia kupata bidhaa kwa bei nafuu kwa kuwa wana ofisi huku sasa na gharama zimepungua. Hii ni moja tu ya faida ya umoja huu.

Mimi siamini kuwa Tanzania itapata faida kuliko hasara kama itakwenda pole pole na muungano huu. Dunia ya 1967 sio sawa sawa na dunia ya 2015. Kama mfuataji wa habari za dunia, unaelewa kuwa Uiingereza wameshaambiwa kuwa hawatabembelezwa kuwa wanachama wa EU. Wako huru kutoka. Tanzania vile vile hawatabembelezwa kama watapinga sera amazo nchi nyingine zinataka kufuata katika huu umoja kama Haki ya raia wa EAC kufanya kazi kokote bila ya kibali. Sioni kwa nini sisi tukatae. Tuna Mengi ya kujifunza kwa wenzetu maofisini na viwandani kwetu. Sifa za wafanyakazi wa Kenya Tanzania zinajulikana na hata uzalishaji wao kwa mtu mmoja ni kubwa kuliko sisi. Watoto wetu wengi wanasoma Kwao pia.
Kwa kukujibu, uoga wao ni wa kipuuzi.

Sorry to burst your bubble but EU union is not seen as a success by any measure here in UK and to most of western Europe.Not every union is a shoe-in to success.There is no point of making more unions if those around have failed, and we are entering one without learning from past mistakes. Tell that to greece which join EU with higher GDP than now when it is contemplating on exiting it or Italy which had a better economy than now many years after EU full intergration fiasco.
Sasa kama watu milioni 50 hawataki hiyo haki ya kufanya kazi popote bila kibali kwa nini uwalazimishe?Don't you think that's a bit undemocratic?au ndio yale mambo ya mabeberu, democracy is when you do as they say?

2. Watanzania wajifunze kutafuta kazi bila ya kutegemea serikali kwa kila kitu. Ukisoma magazeti, watu wanauliza kwa nini Maisha yao ni duni wakati tuna mali? Hawafahamu au hawataki kuambiwa kuwa migodi ina gharama kubwa kuliko uwezo wa serikali yao. Nilimaanisha kuwa wawekezaji wa nje ndio wenye uwezo wa kufanya hio kazi hio na hamna Mtanzania aliyojitokeza kwa kuwa gharama za biashara hizo ni kubwa mno. Tunaongelea $300 million kama mtaji wa chini. Serikali itaweza vipi kumsaidia Mtanzania zaidi hapo zaidi ya kumlipisha mwekezaji kodi na kupokea share yake?

Serikali itaweza vipi kutafuta kazi kwa jamii ambayo haina utamaduni wa kujisomesha? Asilimia ngapi ya Watanzania wana elimu ya juu?

This is another false information spread without a hint of fact. The government of Tanzania Employs less than 500,000 people. This is 1 percent of the population.Telling 49 million Tanzanians that they all depend on the government is a bit of a stretch. Hata tukiweka dependence kwenye hiyo idadi ya 500,000 oublic servants we have no more than 2M people who depends on the government directly.
The rest of Tanzanians wake up every morning and works as hard as every goddamn person on Earth.Without thinking of whatever the government has in store for them. Actually Tanzanians hardly depend on the government because that government hasn't done much for them directly since the Ujamaa days. So please stop these misinformed lies.

Wakenya wamesoma na wanakula matunda yao. Sisi ndio kwanza leo tunajifunza Somo la MBA. Kama wao wamejipanga, kwa nini sisi hatujipangi?

This is another set of lies spread without basis or fact. Sioni matunda yanayoliwa Kenya zaidi ya nchi yenye matatizo probably kutuzidi sisi, nchi yenye mpasuko wa kiuchumi kati ya wenye nacho na wasio nacho kutuzidi sisi, na yenye kushindwa kujilisha yenyewe mara kwa mara.Huu uongo wa kulazimisha watanzania kujifunza kenya utaisha lini?kuna nini cha kujifunza?

3. Kuhusu njaa, nilizungumzia njaa ya Tanzania iliyoletwa na siasa ya Kijamaa ya kutoruhusu watu binafsi wazalishe. Tulikuwa na upungufu wa kila kitu, kinyume na uzalishaji wa viwanda vya Kenya. Uko huru kumtetea Nyerere na ujamaa wake na mimi niko huru kusema kuwa ujamaa umeua uzalishaji wa mali Tanzania ya Nyerere. Tutofautishe njaa ya kukosa mvua na njaa na kutoweza nchi kulisha raia wake kutokana na siasa sio " kazi ya Mungu".

Zimbabwe ilikuwa nchi ya kibepari miaka mingi tu, iko wapi leo?kuwaachia wachache kumiliki njia kuu za uchumi sio mwarubaini wa matatizo yote. ningekuelewa kama ungezungumzia balanced approach, lakini hii outright bashing of Nyerere based on situation that was extremely volatile (cold war) is uncalled for. Guess what, our allies back then pia walikuwa na upungufu wa vitu vingi, what we were facing in Tanzania is not that different to what was happening in China, yet i don't see anyone here blaming China for embracing CCCP and Marxists theorems.What we needed was a balanced approach and that's what China managed and we didn't i will explain why.

Ujamaa ninaoupinga mimi ni ule wa Nyerere wa kuzuia uzalishaji wa biashara binafsi na utaifishaji wa mali za watu bila malipo. Sijapinga sehemu yoyote ujamaa wa kusaidia wananchi wa hali ya chini kupata tiba bure au fedha kutoka serikalini kama huko Marekani au ulaya.

This was the only way Nyerere could achive his grand vision, i would take a Man with a vision anytime than a man without one regardless of the outcome. The biggest danger as a Nation now is having a president who can't answer the most basic answer as why is Tanzania Poor. Now that's a president i want to get rid off.
Nyerere Hedged his bets, it didn't turn out well as he expected, but there is no reason to beat on a dead man who can not defend himself.

5. Wewe unaongelea ardhi kama tuko vitani. Mimi nataka ardhi itumike ili ipatikane economies of scale kibiashara. Kama serikali haitaruhusu bepari kutumia ardhi kubwa kulima, basi haitaweza kuzalisha mazao kwa faida nyingi. No access to large track of land = no economies of scale = low productivity . Simple as that.

Wakoloni pia walikuja na ajenda kama hizo, hawa waingereza wanaotaka kuja kutumia ardhi zetu na kuziharibu hawaruhusu Ardhi zao kuguswa hovyo. Soma kuhusu fracking na jinsi gani waingereza wanapingana na hilo. Hawa watu n hypocrites. wanajua makosa waliyofanya,na hawako tayari kuyarudia, ila hawaoni shida kuharibu vya wanzao.Am all for high productivity but upuuzi wa large track of land equals productivity does not fly with me.we need to be very smart on how we utilize our land.If i were president i would put more land on reserve. we have more than enough land to feed a mere 50M people.our population is minute compare to our land.It should remain that way for as long as possible.

Mimi naunga mkono sera za kibepari. Leo tunazalisha $40 bilioni na kupanda pole pole. Je, wakati wa ujamaa, tulizalisha kiasi gani?

Kupanda kwa uchumi wetu sio sababu ya ubepari peke yake. kwani kuna nchi nyingi za kibepari zenye uchumi unaozidi kudorora siku hadi siku. Unafahamu GDP ya greece. Unajua ilikuwa kiasi gani kabla haijajiunga na EU?

Umasikini upo katika kila uchumi duniani lakini bado haijapatikana sera inayoweza kuutokomeza umasikini haraka kuliko sera ya kibepari. Leo Kenya wana uchumi mkubwa na wanatuuzia bidhaa nyingi kwa sababu waliruhusiwa siku nyingi kufanya biashara binafsi. Elimu yao inawasaidia kuona mbali. Angalia walivyojipanga Kenya, Uganda na Rwanda. Inanikumbusha walivyojipanga Ufaransa, Ujerumani na Italia ilipozaliwa EEC pamoja na nchi nyingine ndogo tatu. Wengine wakabaki kuomba omba nje ya kambi huku watu ndani wanakagua maombi kwa muda wao EEC ilipostawi.

That's a fat lie because, countries that have best GNI coefficient are socialist,lead by socialist parties. see Scandinavian nations.

The US which is poster child for Capitalism continues to have increasing numbers of poor people and people on food stamps, continues to have a shrinking middle class and an increasing 1%.
And just food for thoughts, because of capitalism 51% of the worlds GDP is in the hands of 1% of the richest, If you think this is a success story. Then you need to re-evaluate meaning of poverty fast.

 

[Steph Curry]

Mkuu, nashukuru kwa maoni yako. Naomba nikujibu.

1. EAC ya miaka ya madikteta sio EAC ya leo. Watanzania kama wewe na mimi tuna sauti ya kutoa maoni yetu kuhusu huu umoja. Kwa nionavyo mimi kama mfanyabiashara na mlipe kodi, Tanzania ndani ya EAC ina faida kuliko nje.

Kwa kuwa uzalishaji wetu ni mdogo, Viwanda vya Kenya vimetusaidia kupata bidhaa kwa bei nafuu kwa kuwa wana ofisi huku sasa na gharama zimepungua. Hii ni moja tu ya faida ya umoja huu.

Mimi siamini kuwa Tanzania itapata faida kuliko hasara kama itakwenda pole pole na muungano huu. Dunia ya 1967 sio sawa sawa na dunia ya 2015. Kama mfuataji wa habari za dunia, unaelewa kuwa Uiingereza wameshaambiwa kuwa hawatabembelezwa kuwa wanachama wa EU. Wako huru kutoka. Tanzania vile vile hawatabembelezwa kama watapinga sera amazo nchi nyingine zinataka kufuata katika huu umoja kama Haki ya raia wa EAC kufanya kazi kokote bila ya kibali. Sioni kwa nini sisi tukatae. Tuna Mengi ya kujifunza kwa wenzetu maofisini na viwandani kwetu. Sifa za wafanyakazi wa Kenya Tanzania zinajulikana na hata uzalishaji wao kwa mtu mmoja ni kubwa kuliko sisi. Watoto wetu wengi wanasoma Kwao pia.

Kwa kukujibu, uoga wao ni wa kipuuzi.

2. Watanzania wajifunze kutafuta kazi bila ya kutegemea serikali kwa kila kitu. Ukisoma magazeti, watu wanauliza kwa nini Maisha yao ni duni wakati tuna mali? Hawafahamu au hawataki kuambiwa kuwa migodi ina gharama kubwa kuliko uwezo wa serikali yao. Nilimaanisha kuwa wawekezaji wa nje ndio wenye uwezo wa kufanya hio kazi hio na hamna Mtanzania aliyojitokeza kwa kuwa gharama za biashara hizo ni kubwa mno. Tunaongelea $300 million kama mtaji wa chini. Serikali itaweza vipi kumsaidia Mtanzania zaidi hapo zaidi ya kumlipisha mwekezaji kodi na kupokea share yake?

Serikali itaweza vipi kutafuta kazi kwa jamii ambayo haina utamaduni wa kujisomesha? Asilimia ngapi ya Watanzania wana elimu ya juu?

Wakenya wamesoma na wanakula matunda yao. Sisi ndio kwanza leo tunajifunza Somo la MBA. Kama wao wamejipanga, kwa nini sisi hatujipangi?

3. Kuhusu njaa, nilizungumzia njaa ya Tanzania iliyoletwa na siasa ya Kijamaa ya kutoruhusu watu binafsi wazalishe. Tulikuwa na upungufu wa kila kitu, kinyume na uzalishaji wa viwanda vya Kenya. Uko huru kumtetea Nyerere na ujamaa wake na mimi niko huru kusema kuwa ujamaa umeua uzalishaji wa mali Tanzania ya Nyerere. Tutofautishe njaa ya kukosa mvua na njaa na kutoweza nchi kulisha raia wake kutokana na siasa sio " kazi ya Mungu".

Ujamaa ninaoupinga mimi ni ule wa Nyerere wa kuzuia uzalishaji wa biashara binafsi na utaifishaji wa mali za watu bila malipo. Sijapinga sehemu yoyote ujamaa wa kusaidia wananchi wa hali ya chini kupata tiba bure au fedha kutoka serikalini kama huko Marekani au ulaya.

4. Kuhusu uraia pacha. Kama hatuna national ID ni uzembe wa nani? Ofisi zipo wazi kuomba ID. Pia, kuna vyeti vya kuzaliwa. Kwa vyovyote, kama raia wa Kiafrika wa Kenya na Ghana kuweza kuruhusu uraia pacha, sisi kutoruhusu ni kinyume. Kwa vyovyote, Wazawa wengi wameshachukua uraia mwingine ili waweze kupata kazi bora, Maisha bora na kusafiri bila ya kizuizi cha kuomba viza. Ni ujinga raia hao hao kuomba viza kama wageni katika nchi yao. Na nakuhakikishia kama kuchukua uraia mwingine ili upewe kazi ya $150,000 kwa mwaka, hamna Mtanzania atakaokataa Dili hiyo. Tumbo linatangulia kabla ya Uzalendo.

5. Wewe unaongelea ardhi kama tuko vitani. Mimi nataka ardhi itumike ili ipatikane economies of scale kibiashara. Kama serikali haitaruhusu bepari kutumia ardhi kubwa kulima, basi haitaweza kuzalisha mazao kwa faida nyingi. No access to large track of land = no economies of scale = low productivity . Simple as that.

Kama wakulima na wafugaji wanagombana, basi kuna matatizo katika jamii sio kosa la mkulima bepari kutaka kulima kwa wingi, kwa faida na kutumia kilimo na vifaa vya kisasa.


Bila shaka, ukizungumzia Palestina, wamepokonywa ardhi na Wayahudi lakini haihusiani na kilimo nyumbani. Aidha wape ardhi wakulima wadogo na sahau mazao ya kusafirisha nje kupata forex au Mpe ardhi kubwa bepari aweze kulima kwa faida na kwa uwezo mkubwa na wa Kisasa . There is no alternative.

Mimi naunga mkono sera za kibepari. Leo tunazalisha $40 bilioni na kupanda pole pole. Je, wakati wa ujamaa, tulizalisha kiasi gani?

Umasikini upo katika kila uchumi duniani lakini bado haijapatikana sera inayoweza kuutokomeza umasikini haraka kuliko sera ya kibepari. Leo Kenya wana uchumi mkubwa na wanatuuzia bidhaa nyingi kwa sababu waliruhusiwa siku nyingi kufanya biashara binafsi. Elimu yao inawasaidia kuona mbali. Angalia walivyojipanga Kenya, Uganda na Rwanda. Inanikumbusha walivyojipanga Ufaransa, Ujerumani na Italia ilipozaliwa EEC pamoja na nchi nyingine ndogo tatu. Wengine wakabaki kuomba omba nje ya kambi huku watu ndani wanakagua maombi kwa muda wao EEC ilipostawi.

Huyo jamaa anayejiita mchambuzi bado yuko miaka ya 1960's ya kujifungia ndani kusubiri sukari ya kupanga foleni. Before you comment its better you read between the lines na si kudandia hoja tu ili na wewe uonekane unajua. Big up umeampa majibu ambayo hatakaa aseme chochote na kama atapinda basi ni mpumbavu..

 

[The Game Changer]

Mkuu Tokyo40 unasema sera ya ubepari unaweza tokomeza haraka umasikini ? Seriously ? Sana sana system ya ubepari inaongeza gap ya aliyenacho na asiyenacho. Infact philosophy yake ni kwamba mwenye nacho anaongezewa na aliye na hata kidogo ananyanganywa.
Unaweza kuliona hili hata kwa ma capitalist kama Marekani..

Nadhani ukitoa hii statement kwa nchi kama Finland watakuchinja mchana kweupe......

 

[Kijakazi]

I know. I take that back. But we will still be a majority.
Tanzania
(51/150)*100 = 34%
Kenya
(45/150)*100 = 30%
Uganda
(39/150)*100 = 26%
This means that the EA parliament will have a majority of Tanzanians in it.

Bado hauko sawa kwa maana umesahau Unyarwanda na Urundi ambazo kwa ujumla zina wakazi karibu milioni 25 hivyo ukiongeza kwenye hiyo idadi utaona ya kwamba asilimia ya yetu Watz ndani ya AM inashuka halafu isitoshe Uganda ndio nchi ambayo Wakazi wake wanaongezeka kwa kasi kuliko nchi zote Duniani, kila Mwanamke wa Uganda analeta watoto 5.92 hapa Duniani wakati sisi ni 5.29 hata Kenya pia wana Wanaongezeka kwa kasi kubwa kuliko sisi hivyo inawezekana kabisa kama grafu ikienda jinsi inavyokwenda kwa sasa baada ya Miaka 30-40 Uganda na Kenya wakawa na watu wengi klk sisi TZ hivyo projection yako bado haiko sahihi ya kwamba tutakuwa (Watz) ni wengi AM kulingana na Takwimu tulizonazo sasa hivi!

 

[Kimweri]

Kimweri
Regional integration is inevitable my friend. The sooner we accept it the better. I think the American states developed to where they are thanks to their unity. None of the states was significant before the union.
And i think people like you should give Tanzania due credit. Don't you trust that we can do this?
Remember that the federal government will ONLY be in charge of things like defence, foreign affairs, international trade and wait for it INFRASTRUCTURE. Central corridor yetu itakuwa more feasible if done by the EA federation. Tulilalamika land wakasema sawa watatuachia (it will be under the control of individual states).....natural resources pia kila mtu atabaki na vyake. Tumepewa hata chance ya kuhost the EA federal capital. Imagine the structures that will come up in Arusha if the EA federation comes to fruition?!
I dont know about you but i'd like to see future young Tanzanians maybe go to Kenya for secondary education then go to Makerere University FREELY!
All statistics so far point to the fact that Tz has been the biggest gainer so far of the EA federation.
But we just have to strengthen our private sector first. Give it time to mature. Once that is done, i don't see why we should be the odd ones!

I never said i am against intergration. You completely misread me, I am for correct type of intergration. One that is bound to succeed not one that is doomed for failure.

Why doing the same thing done 50 years ago and failed and expect different results now?even when nations with far better resources struggled in the same format after fewer than 20 years?Am referring to EU.

Here in UK, No one here wants a bureaucrat sitting in Brussels tell them what to do, And this is a very strong sentiment among locals. So color EU either way you like it, People here do not like it. Cameron literally had to cheat scotts by offering them goodies a few days before the referendum, and even scotts was gone.What does that say? You have to have very strong reasons to unite and absolutely no differences as those are the first place cracks will develop from down the route.When i look at TZ and Kenya and Uganda, i see big enough differences to warrant a failure.

So my approach is wait for these difference to sort themselves out, then when at equal footing unite smartly. TZ shouldn't be the answer to Kenya's land issues, or trade imbalances. same way for Kenya, it shouldn't be an answer to TZ problems whichever they are. We should unite from position of strength and parity.That way there will be more respect when a Kenyan cross over to Tanzania looking for opportunities, instead of now they are being viewed as coming to take jobs and hike for free land,whichever that view is.

Regarding having capital of EAC tell a random folk in Birmingham that their city will become EU capital hence they should let the poles and Czechs flood their country and hear what they have to say. I see these as minor lures.

What EAC should do is integrate economically,have Shared financial,regulatory and market rules, that will harmonize investment and trade. Make it easy for investors to view EAC as a block without having to force people living there under political commitments they are not willing to take.

To every example of US States you have the USSR, EU and many other failed unions that did not work as well. The US became a nation 300 years ago, longer before folks in Bukoba and Mtwara could speak the same language yet acknowledge existence of each other, In this modern age, It is next to impossible to unite two independent nations.

This is the age of trade blocks, and unions, the age of BRICKS NATO's and allies, not the age of political marriages built on politician will to conquer.

I will support EAC wholeheartedly if it learns to work together as one entity first consistently for many years, At the moment i do not see that.

I don't think you put much thoughts to your going to shcool example, but Tanzanians have outgrown going to university in Makerere, and secondary school in Nairobi, Tanzanian kids are now studying in malaysia,China, Japan, Europe, South Africa, Egypt you name it, and all that is just a few clicks away on the internet.

Even universities from UK,China,India, Malaysia have representatives in Tanzania, Trust me, when economic factors are right, integration happens automatically.Kids will choose where they want to study as long as their parents can afford it. And by the looks of things Tanzanian Parents are doing that just fine.Without the EAC political Intergration.

 

[Kimweri]

Mkuu Tokyo40 unasema sera ya ubepari unaweza tokomeza haraka umasikini ? Seriously ? Sana sana system ya ubepari inaongeza gap ya aliyenacho na asiyenacho. Infact philosophy yake ni kwamba mwenye nacho anaongezewa na aliye na hata kidogo ananyanganywa.
Unaweza kuliona hili hata kwa ma capitalist kama Marekani..

Nadhani ukitoa hii statement kwa nchi kama Finland watakuchinja mchana kweupe......

Jamaa anachanganya madesa huyu, ana-mix GDP na maendeleo. Hajui kuwa nchi zinazoongoza kwa asali na maziwa duniani na hao hao ma-socialists anaowakebehi humu ndani.

 

[Steph Curry]

Nakubaliana na wewe asilimia nyingi sana. Actually mimi ni advocate wa hii concept ya competitive advantage. Dunia ya sasa haijalishi uchumi wako au siasa zako ziko vipi, as long as you hav esomething to offer, people will come. SO far Tanzania hatujatengeneza competitive advantage zaidi ya zile tulizozikuta.

Ukitazama EAC ni yale yale, hakuna competititve advantage yoyote inayotokana na muungano, zaidi ya Museveni kupata nafasi ya kuitwa raisi wa EAC, na ndugu zetu wa Kenya kusolve matatizo yao ya ardhi. Huu si muungano mzuri. Muungano mzuri utakuja wakati tunaungana tukiwa on equal footing na tuna lengo linalofanana. Kinyume na hapo ni utapeli.

watu wa TIC etc, wanatakiwa kufikiria radically, sio kuwaza kama hawa kina mwapachu from 1930 kweusi. Dunia imebadilika, mabilionea wako tayari ku-renounce US citizenship just to gain advantages, which mean royalty lies with what you have to offer.

Kuna haja ya kumega sehemu kama mafia au mtwara na kuifanya Economic zone where multinationals could set up their financial operations with competitiveness not seen anywhere in Africa, we have to learn how Mauritius was able to achieve that.

Hakuna mtu atakayeleta kiwanda hata kama mko milioni elfu moja kama hakuna la maana mnachofanya. Atazalisha thailand au bangladesh na atafurahia vya kutosha kuwageuza wateja wake wa uhakika. What do you do to make them produce for those hundreds of million in the same country?Make them offers only certified madmen would refuse.And make that offer fast.

Well said mkuu.. Tatizo hawa viongozi wetu wanakeshaga kule kwenye majukwaa ya udaku na siasa... Ila hapo kwenye red gas inakimbiziwa bagamoyo, now you can imagine how populated Dar can be..

 

[Kijakazi]

I know. I take that back. But we will still be a majority.
Tanzania
(51/150)*100 = 34%
Kenya
(45/150)*100 = 30%
Uganda
(39/150)*100 = 26%
This means that the EA parliament will have a majority of Tanzanians in it.

Hiyo ya kwamba Watz tunafika milioni 51 umeipata wapi? Kwa maana sensa ya mwisho ambayo raisi wa JMT alitangaza pale mnazi mmoja alisema tuko wakazi Milioni 44 na hiyo ilikuwa mwaka 2012 ukichukulia ongezeko letu la watu 5.29 ina maana kwa miaka miwili tunaweza kuwa kwenye milioni 45-46 hivi lkn hatufiki 50, kulingana na Raisi wa JMT!

 

[Tokyo40]

Mkuu Tokyo40 unasema sera ya ubepari unaweza tokomeza haraka umasikini ? Seriously ? Sana sana system ya ubepari inaongeza gap ya aliyenacho na asiyenacho. Infact philosophy yake ni kwamba mwenye nacho anaongezewa na aliye na hata kidogo ananyanganywa.
Unaweza kuliona hili hata kwa ma capitalist kama Marekani..

Nadhani ukitoa hii statement kwa nchi kama Finland watakuchinja mchana kweupe......

Mkuu. Naomba unisome vizuri.

Nilishasema sera za kibepari zina hitilafu na hamna nchi zinatumia sera hii tu bila ya kuchanganya na ya kijamaa ( mixed economy).

Lakini hamna mfano wa nchi iliyostawi na sera za kijamaa tu, nikimaanisha wananchi hawaruhusiwi kufanya biashara katika soko huru na mashirika yote ni ya umma.

Finland ni mfano mzuri wa sera zilizochanganyika lakini wenzetu wanazalisha vitu kwa wingi na kuuza duniani kote pia na wapo ndani ya EU. GDP per capita ni zaidi ya $47000. (Na wakitaka pombe rahisi wanaenda mpakani St. Petersburg , Urusi).

 

[Kimweri]

Mkuu. Naomba unisome vizuri.

Nilishasema sera za kibepari zina hitilafu na hamna nchi zinatumia sera hii tu bila ya kuchanganya na ya kijamaa ( mixed economy).

Lakini hamna mfano wa nchi iliyostawi na sera za kijamaa tu, nikimaanisha wananchi hawaruhusiwi kufanya biashara katika soko huru na mashirika yote ni ya umma.

Finland ni mfano mzuri wa sera zilizochanganyika lakini wenzetu wanazalisha vitu kwa wingi na kuuza duniani kote pia na wapo ndani ya EU. GDP per capita ni zaidi ya $47000. (Na wakitaka pombe rahisi wanaenda mpakani St. Petersburg , Urusi).

you have a lot of reading to do regarding Marxism, social democracy, lenin, socialism and communism.

Marxism itself has many branches from classical to modern. You would need to read books like das carpital and his manucripts among many other of his socialists economics books.

Socialism-Marxism never equaled, mashirika yote kuwa ya Umma, that's as insane as kusema capitalism equals every individual to own or run a business. It can't and won't happen.

Most people conveniently leave behind major means of economy controlled by state as the backbone of Socialism, and when these major means of production happen to outsmart, outproduce and out-profit the capitalist format they quickly jump to the "no longer socialist" rhetoric. For they assume Marx never talked about profits or never realised tehre would be profits. If you read his books you would realise that, what happens in China now is a very advanced form of marxism, where socialist companies outcompete capitalistic ones and the capitalists arent happy about it. When you scroll through the list of biggest companies in the world you would notice many socialist companies from the likes of ICBC, Bank of China, CNOOC, etc that are far bigger than many of their capitalistic peers.

Difference is, these Socialistic mega companies are owned by the state not individuals, ther profits are not given in the streets in form of dividend but they are used to improve lives of poor people. If Microsoft or Apple profits were used to improve poor people's lives there would far less poor people around. But instead they are being hoarded.

The billions Chinese state owned mega-companies makes are used to create the fastest and biggest rail network in the world, are used to create mega projects that helps unlock economies of millions of people. For me that is Socialism working for one Billion people.

Most would argue that china is capitalistic because they have many billionaires. Yet they miss the point that, these billionaires do not own MAJOR means of production. What they own are peripheral services. Major means of production and economy such as rails, infrastructures, major banks, posts,telecoms,power are owned by the government. And that is what Modern Socialism is.

And you would be fooled to think Capitalism hasn't taken notice, in the past decades they have implemented Social security, Health insurance coverage for all, Food stamp programs, Philanthropy and charity. Because even the most capitalistic capitalists knows that Capitalism is flawed.

I really advice you read Marx very well before bashing Nyerere,Socialism and cheer leading capitalism.

 

[Morinyo]

Hayo ndiyo mapato ambayo world bank imeestimate serikali ya TZ itakuwa inapata kwa mwaka pindi gesi ya Mtwara ikianza kuchimbwa na kuuzwa.
Hivi kwenye hili shirikisho la EA suala la mafuta na gesi litakuaje? Ni mali ya individual states au mali ya shirikisho? JokaKuu IAfrika jMali

Haiwezi kua mali ya shilikisho.

 

[Kibona]

Kimweri
Regional integration is inevitable my friend. The sooner we accept it the better. I think the American states developed to where they are thanks to their unity. None of the states was significant before the union.
And i think people like you should give Tanzania due credit. Don't you trust that we can do this?
Remember that the federal government will ONLY be in charge of things like defence, foreign affairs, international trade and wait for it INFRASTRUCTURE. Central corridor yetu itakuwa more feasible if done by the EA federation. Tulilalamika land wakasema sawa watatuachia (it will be under the control of individual states).....natural resources pia kila mtu atabaki na vyake. Tumepewa hata chance ya kuhost the EA federal capital. Imagine the structures that will come up in Arusha if the EA federation comes to fruition?!
I dont know about you but i'd like to see future young Tanzanians maybe go to Kenya for secondary education then go to Makerere University FREELY!
All statistics so far point to the fact that Tz has been the biggest gainer so far of the EA federation.
But we just have to strengthen our private sector first. Give it time to mature. Once that is done, i don't see why we should be the odd ones!

Msemakweli Regional integration is inevitable lakini sio Federation. Sioni ni kwanini uko optimistic kuwa Federation italeta development kubwa zaidi kuliko ilivyo sasa. Management ya kitu kidogo ni nyepesi kuliko kitu kikubwa, sasa iweje viongozi hao hao walioshindwa kusolve matatizo ya nchi moja moja waweze kusolve matatizo ya nchi tano? Halafu kitu gani kinakuaminisha kuwa tukiwa ktk federation structures zitaongezeka Arusha? Hebu fuatilia vizuri uone mpaka Tanzania kuattain stability iliyopo imepitia wapi, na ujue changamoto za partners wengine wanne baada ya hapo ndio utakuwa ktk nafasi ya kuamua kusacrifice achievements ambazo Tz imepata japo sio za kiuchumi. Hatuwezi kuwa convinced tu federation wakati hapa dunia hakuna economic development iliyopatikana kwa muungano tu, ila ni through competitive advantage. Hivi mbona hatufikirii kwanini kampuni linapata mawazo ya kuinvest Mauritius na kuacha Tanzania ambayo ni muungano wa nchi mbili? Mfano mwingine Ethiopia ilipokuwa iko pamoja na Eritrea mbona matatizo yalikuwa hayaishi mpaka walipotengana ndio unaona Ethiopia inaanza kutengamaa hata kiusalama na uchumi wake kwa sasa unakua sana.

 

[msemakweli]

Msemakweli Regional integration is inevitable lakini sio Federation. Sioni ni kwanini uko optimistic kuwa Federation italeta development kubwa zaidi kuliko ilivyo sasa. Management ya kitu kidogo ni nyepesi kuliko kitu kikubwa, sasa iweje viongozi hao hao walioshindwa kusolve matatizo ya nchi moja moja waweze kusolve matatizo ya nchi tano? Halafu kitu gani kinakuaminisha kuwa tukiwa ktk federation structures zitaongezeka Arusha? Hebu fuatilia vizuri uone mpaka Tanzania kuattain stability iliyopo imepitia wapi, na ujue changamoto za partners wengine wanne baada ya hapo ndio utakuwa ktk nafasi ya kuamua kusacrifice achievements ambazo Tz imepata japo sio za kiuchumi. Hatuwezi kuwa convinced tu federation wakati hapa dunia hakuna economic development iliyopatikana kwa muungano tu, ila ni through competitive advantage. Hivi mbona hatufikirii kwanini kampuni linapata mawazo ya kuinvest Mauritius na kuacha Tanzania ambayo ni muungano wa nchi mbili? Mfano mwingine Ethiopia ilipokuwa iko pamoja na Eritrea mbona matatizo yalikuwa hayaishi mpaka walipotengana ndio unaona Ethiopia inaanza kutengamaa hata kiusalama na uchumi wake kwa sasa unakua sana.

We could be the only success story in Africa.....why so quick to think we are failures before we've even tried? The good thing is that we have history to learn from.
Besides, all those unions you've mentioned, including Tanzania, ni za kuunga unga. Haifuati sheria na structures za kawaida za kuunda miungano. This one will be a true federation of five sovereign states.
Tukiinvest vya kutosha in infrastructure kila kitu kitakuwa shwari. First priority za hiyo serikali ya shirikisho ziwe ni miundombinu (roads, rails, ports and electricity) na security! Kenya ina geothermal power potential ya 10,000MW, Tanzania ina over 10,000MW potential ya gas power, Kuna port ya Mombasa, kuna port ya Dar es Salaam, Kuna Central corridor na North corridor.....that should be the top priorities of the federal government!

 

[Kibona]

We could be the only success story in Africa.....why so quick to think we are failures before we've even tried? The good thing is that we have history to learn from.
Besides, all those unions you've mentioned, including Tanzania, ni za kuunga unga. Haifuati sheria na structures za kawaida za kuunda miungano. This one will be a true federation of five sovereign states.
Tukiinvest vya kutosha in infrastructure kila kitu kitakuwa shwari. First priority za hiyo serikali ya shirikisho ziwe ni miundombinu (roads, rails, ports and electricity) na security! Kenya ina geothermal power potential ya 10,000MW, Tanzania ina over 10,000MW potential ya gas power, Kuna port ya Mombasa, kuna port ya Dar es Salaam, Kuna Central corridor na North corridor.....that should be the top priorities of the federal government!

Mawazo yako mazuri lakini hayana uhalisia, Kinachotufanya tusiimarishe miundombinu sasa hivi sio kwasababu hatuwezi kupata pesa ni kwasababu ya Poor governance na poor governance haiwezi kuwa solved na shirikisho. Halafu unasema miungano mingine ni ya kuunga unga ni sawa, lakini model ya EAC ni EU na kimsingi tumekopy na kupaste mfumo wa EU sasa ni kwanini unaamini kuwa shirikisho litakuwepo na litakuwa successiful kama hata hata model tuliyocopy EU ilianzishwa 1957 na mpaka sasa hawana mpango wa kitu kinaitwa federation? Tuna ubunifu gani wakati hata mkataba tu tumeshindwa kubuni wa kwetu badala yake tumekopy halafu tunatarajia sie tulioanza mwaka 2000 tutakua na shirikisho? Umesema security na miundombinu ndio viwe vipaumbele kitu ambacho ni sahihi kabisa lakini tukirudi kwenye uhalisia ni nchi gani ipo tayari kusacrifice mfumo wake halafu ianze kuadopt mfumo mwingine? mfano kama unasema tutakuwa na true federation inamaana sasa hata mwingiliano utakuwa mkubwa na lazima kitu kama land kiwe cha federation ili kuondoa migongano isiyo ya lazima je wakikuyu watakubali kupoteza ardhi walizomilikishwa baada ya uhuru ili tu umiliki uendane na sheria za Tanzania au ndio watategemea Tanzania ndio ifuate utaratibu wao? huo ni mfano tu lakini kuna mambo mengi ambayo ili yawekwe sawa inahitajika trust ya hali ya juu miongoni mwa partner states. Na ktk hali iliyopo sasa hakuna nchi hata moja inayomwamini mwenzake kwa asilimia 100. Ndio maana hata CoW wanasema wanataka kwenda mbio wao watatu kwasababu TZ inakataa protocols nyingi, sawa lakini wanachojadili sio protocols tulizokataa bali wanajadili infrastructure kitu ambacho sie hatujawahi kukataa. Wao walitakiwa kwasasa waendelee na Single tourist visa, free movement of labour, defence protocol na land hayo ndio tuliyoyakataa lakini sasa kwasababu wao wanajua wanachokitafuta ndio maana husikii wakiendelea mbele na mpango wa ardhi maana wamegundua bila TZ mpango huo hauna maana. Kwahiyo Tz hatuwezi kukubali mchezo wa Kenya wa kutusabotage kwa maslahi yake, na humu JF mjue kitu kimoja kuwa tutajadili sana kwa kuilaumu TZ na tutacheza sana ngoma ya wakenya lakini hatutakuja kuona kitu kinaitwa EA federation na TZ ikiwemo kama Kenya itaendelea na hidden agenda zake, sana sana watafanikiwa kuwatumia wale madikteta wawili lakini sio Tanzania

 

[msemakweli]

Kibona
I think you ought to look at the structure of the proposed federal government of EA. That model is anything but European.
Kwanza, kutakuwa na Rais wa shirikisho, Bunge la seneti (equal representation per country) na bunge la commons (ambalo wabunge wake watachaguliwa as per state population). Rais atakuwa head of state and government, na litakuwa jukumu la Senate kucheck the exercise of power of the President and his cabinet (mawaziri hawatakuwa wabunge btw).
So far, this all resembles the American system.
Kuhusu suala la ardhi, wameshasema kuwa hilo litakuwa under the control of member state governments. Hata mambo ya mapato from natural resources wamesema tutabaki nayo kwanza. Then, once we are united, we can slowly do away with the unhealthy mistrust and eventually hand more power to the Federal Government.

 

[Tokyo40]

July 15, 2014

China announces plan for reform of state-owned enterprises

China has identified six large state-owned enterprises (SOEs) for a pilot programme to attract private investment and improve corporate governance, as the government pushes ahead with reforms aimed at raising economic efficiency.
In a landmark blueprint for economic reform announced late last year, the ruling Communist party promised to push “mixed ownership” reform, a phrase understood to mean partial privatisation, while maintaining SOEs as the backbone of the economy.

Source: Financial Times

Hii hapa article inaonyesha Makampuni ya serikali ya Kichina hayaendeshwi kwa faida lakini bado yapo chini ya serikali kwa sababu ya siasa sio faida. Mengi yanaingia shirika na makampuni binafsi.

My stand is still the same:
Huwezi kuchanganya biashara na ujamaa sawa na kujaribu kuchanganya maji na mafuta.
Mashirika yanavuja wino mwekundu.

 

[Tokyo40]

November 19, 2013 12:13 pm

China reforms chip away at privileges of state-owned companies

At first glance, the one big missing piece from China’s economic reform push is an assault on the power of state-owned companies.

Rather than cutting them down to size, as liberals had hoped, President Xi Jinping instead enshrined their position at the commanding heights of the Chinese economy. The “public sector remains the important pillar of the economy”, the Communist party said.

But that language is deceptive. Reforms in train in China amount to a significant, albeit indirect, challenge to state companies across a range of industries, chipping away at their privileges. The government does not want to eliminate them. Instead, it wants to make them more efficient and more profit-focused – in short, more like private companies.

From banks facing stiff competition for deposits to industrial companies selling off assets after racking up losses, state-owned companies in China are far more exposed to market forces than a decade ago.
That is thanks in large part to the aggressive clean-up of state-owned enterprises launched in the 1990s by Zhu Rongji, China’s then premier. Thousands of bankrupt SOEs were shuttered and 50m workers were laid off.

The government will allow state companies to introduce employee stock ownership plans, a way of encouraging managers to target profits. Bringing more private investors on board will also increase the portion of state companies in the hands of performance-minded shareholders, a disciplining force.
Even more important are the reforms that will change their operating environment. Shifts to market-based pricing for energy inputs and interest rates are, over time, undermining the advantages that state companies have over their private rivals.

In a decade’s time when Mr Xi is expected to leave office, state companies are still likely to dominate strategic sectors from banking to telecommunications. But if his reforms are successful, they will more closely resemble private companies, with a sharper focus on profits.

Source: Financial Times

Hapa tunaambiwa serikali ya Kichina wanataka makampuni ya serikali yaanze kuendeshwa kwa FAIDA.

Makampuni mengi ya umma yalifilisika kwa kuendeshwa ovyo bila ya kujali faida.

Sasa wanataka kuendesha makampuni kama katika sera za kibepari kwa kuwaleta wawekezaji binafsi kuwa shirka nao.

Sihitaji kumsona Karl Marx. Kuna ushahidi wa kutosha katika dunia ya leo kuwa sera za kijamaa zimeshindwa. Waliolala wasiamke!

 

[Tokyo40]

Tokyo40 the problem i have with your ideas is that social justice values are dependent on one's opinion and are therefore subjective. GDP and other economic indicators are objective. We cant run a society based on opinions of a single and minority group but the entire society depends quite heavily on objective indicators of economic growth. The best way to implement needed changes is by social agreement, not by taking the views of a far-left group and attempting to hold society accountable to them.

Mkuu.

I have mentioned many times that capitalism has many imperfections. And a county needs to take care of people who fall through the cracks of capitalism, but I believe in all my heart that it is the best system we have to develop a country in all forms.

History has proven me right.