Mafuriko mwezi ujao (September 2012)

H1N1 · Aug 31, 2012

Kiranga said:
Huyu anasema nini? Hebu tumsikilize, labda ana gotcha.

Nimeandika pia kuhusu scale, kwamba, kwa kuwa bacteria wanajigawanya kwa kasi sana ukiwalinganisha na binadamu (binadamu kuzaa mathalani ni mpaka miaka takriban 16, kwa hiyo mpaka mtu apate mjukuu itachukua si chini ya miaka 32 aghalabu) bacteria wanajigawa kila dakika 20. Na kwa sababu bacteria ni wadogo na wanajigawa sana, na kwa sababu evolution agent wake mmoja mkubwa ni mutation iliyo katika reproduction, basi utaweza kuona evolution ikiwa kazini kwa urahisi na haraka sana ukiangalia bacteria kuliko ukiangalia binadamu.

Soma zaidi kuhusu bacterial reproduction hapa Bacterial Reproduction

Habari yangu ya juu imefunga kipande hiki cha mjadala, labda kama unataka kuendekeza ubishi tu.

Ungeelewa somo la scale hata usingejiaibisha hivi.

Tatizo kwa kuwa unataka kudanganya unajifanya hujui kwamba binadmu sio liseri moja kubwa...binadam anaumbwa kwa mabillion ya seri hivyo, basi evolution ingekuwa inaonekana hata kwenye seri zinazoumba sehemu ndogo ya kidole.

Nisome zaidi kuhusu bakteria reproduction ? inapatikana kwenye INJILI ipi kiranga ? wewe ukipewa reference kwenye maandiko tunayoyaamini unakataa kwa msimamo wako,nami nakuambia siichukulii sayansi kama ndiyo mbadala wa Mungu wangu,mengi tu kwenye sayansi ni fix kwa hiyo toa maelezo yako hizo link ni kwa faida ya wale wenye nia ya kukariri mambo.

Kiranga · Aug 31, 2012

H1N1 said:
swali lako ni la kipuuzi na haliendani na hoja uliyoulizwa hapo juu. wewe ndiye unaye define hayo unayosema ni mabaya kwa kuwa huko ndani ya mpango wa Mungu,yeye ndiye Muumba na ndiye mpangaji wa standard,yapi ni mabaya, yapi ni matatizo yeye ndiye anayejua na kwa tuliowake majibu yapo ndani ya kitabu chake hatuna shida nayo.MAJIBU YAKE YAPO WAZI KABISA KWENYE MAANDIKO, wewe una vigezo vyako vya utambuzi wa mabaya lakini si lazima viwe ndiyo vigezo vya Mungu, Maisha na Kifo ni shida kwetu sisi wanadam lakini si kwa Mungu,amka kiranga.

Toa majibu ya kisayansi na maswali yake, toa pia maswali ya kiimani yaliyokosa majibu.Tatizo unataka upewe majibu ya kidini kisayansi hapo ndipo madhara ya kukariri yanapojionesha.
Swali la kidini linajibiwa kidini,kama ilivyo swali la kisayansi linajibiwa kisayansi. kinyume chake ni ujinga tu.

Ukishajua kwamba dini na sayansi ni tofauti, utajua kwamba knowledge na faith ni tofauti.

Sina tatizo na wanaosema wana faith kwamba mungu yupo, imani tu, wanaruhusiwa kuamini chochote.The Bermuda triangle, astrology, wachawi kupaa kwa ungo, the Loch Ness monster, Santa Claus etc.

Lakini ukisema unajua, knowledge is the realm of science and must be proved by empirical evidence.

Ukishasema unajua kwamba mungu yupo, tutakuomba ushahidi unaokubalika kisayansi kwa mujibu wa werevu uliopo so far.

Ama sivyo utakuwa huna haki ya kukataa kwamba chupa si almasi.

Kiranga · Aug 31, 2012

H1N1 said:
Tatizo kwa kuwa unataka kudanganya unajifanya hujui kwamba binadmu sio liseri moja kubwa...binadam anaumbwa kwa mabillion ya seri hivyo, basi evolution ingekuwa inaonekana hata kwenye seri zinazoumba sehemu ndogo ya kidole.

bacteria walio katika mwili wa binadamu wanaweza kufanya evolution hii kwa raid reproduction rates kwa sababu wao wana double population yao takriban kila 20 minutes, kwa hiyo wao wanaweza kufanya rapid evolution, ndio maana leo ukitumia Chloroquin kutaka kuua bacteria wa Malaria haifanyi kazi.

Kwa sababu bacteria wa Malaria wame evolve. Hao hao wanaokaa kwenye mwili wa binadamu.

Kwa hiyo si kweli kwamba bacteria walio katika mwili wa binadamu hawa evolve.

Lakini binadamu mwenyewe ana evolve very slowly.

Kwa sababu reproduction rate yake inachukua angalau takriban miaka 16. The difference when compounded into the doubling effect coupled with random mutation is huge.

But I doubt you have the mental capacity to appreciate that.

H1N1 · Aug 31, 2012

Kiranga said:
bacteria walio katika mwili wa binadamu wanaweza kufanya evolution hii kwa raid reproduction rates kwa sababu wao wana double population yao takriban kila 20 minutes, kwa hiyo wao wanaweza kufanya rapid evolution, ndio maana leo ukitumia Chloroquin kutaka kuua bacteria wa Malaria haifanyi kazi.

Kwa sababu bacteria wa Malaria wame evolve. Hao hao wanaokaa kwenye mwili wa binadamu.

Kwa hiyo si kweli kwamba bacteria walio katika mwili wa binadamu hawa evolve.

Lakini binadamu mwenyewe ana evolve very slowly.

Kwa sababu reproduction rate yake inachukua angalau takriban miaka 16. The difference when compounded into the doubling effect coupled with random mutation is huge.

But I doubt you have the mental capacity to appreciate that.

Una maanisha binadam ana evolve as a single big cell. Good scientists. mbona nikijikata sehem ya mwili mwili unajiponya haraka hauchukui hiyo miaka 16 mkuu...

Kiranga · Aug 31, 2012

H1N1 said:
Una maanisha binadam ana evolve as a single big cell. Good scientists. mbona nikijikata sehem ya mwili mwili unajiponya haraka hauchukui hiyo miaka 16 mkuu...

I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself and take some basic courses in biology.

The process of your body healing has very little to do with evolution. You are confusing two different things.

Nyani Ngabu · Aug 31, 2012

Yaani bacteria ambao hata hawaonekani kwa naked eye(s) ndiyo mfano mzuri wa nadharia ya evolution? Wow!!!

Kiranga · Aug 31, 2012

Nyani Ngabu said:
Yaani bacteria ambao hata hawaonekani kwa naked eye(s) ndiyo mfano mzuri wa nadharia ya evolution? Wow!!!

Kwa mtu anayetaka kuona evolution at work in a human lifetime, itambidi aitazame katika simple life forms kama bacteria.

I suggest you read up on the phenomena around bacterial resistance to antibiotics as a case study of natural adaptation and evolution by natural selection through mutation.

Huyu bwana anataka kuona evolution ikitokea mwilini mwa mtu, mie namwambia itakuchukua hundred of millions of years, your best bet is to look at bacteria because their reproduction rate is much higher tham developed life forms, they double every 20 minutes or so while we take at least 16 years on average, so naturally, reproduction being the primary agent of evolution, we would see the effects of evolution faster in simple life forms than in developed ones.

Au unataka kuniambia kwamba huamini kuna bacteria pia kwa sababu huwaoni kwa naked eyes mazee?

The way this board is anti-science, I wouldn't be surprised.

Iron Lady · Aug 31, 2012

Kiranga said:
Utajifunza lini ku quote? Karibu nakuchoka!

Nisha dismiss evolution for the sake of argument.

Hata nikisema sijui mpira umetoka wapi, hili halimaanishi ni lazima uwe umefumwa na bibi.

Kutojua maisha yameanzaje, hata kama evolution si kweli, hakuna maana kwamba mungu kaumba maisha.

Hutakiwi kuchoka kwani mantiki ya ninachokiandika bado inakuwa inaeleweka. ningekuwa naandika kitu ambacho hakisomeki hapo kungekuwa na problem.what matters ni content

finally let us agree to disagree.

Kiranga · Aug 31, 2012

Iron Lady said:
Hutakiwi kuchoka kwani mantiki ya ninachokiandika bado inakuwa inaeleweka. ningekuwa naandika kitu ambacho hakisomeki hapo kungekuwa na problem.what matters ni content

finally let us agree to disagree.

Unadhihirisha jinsi usivyokuwa na "attention to detail".

Hii inaweza kuwa ni sababu inayokufanya uamini mambo kirahisi.

Ukiwa hujui ku quote, unaweza kuwa confuse wafuatiliaji wa uzi huu wasijue ulichosema wewe ni kipi na nilichosema mimi ni kipi.

Ukisema "bado nitakuwa inaeleweka" utaonekana usivyojali umakini.

"Agreeing to disagree" is a logical tautology, economically it is redundant na sie minimalists tunaopenda crisp expression tunaona ni ku cave in to trendy colloquism that carry no substance.

I don't only disagree, I reject your assertion and the whole wishy washy and wasteful concept of "agreeing to disagree".

H1N1 · Aug 31, 2012

Kiranga said:
I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself and take some basic courses in biology.

The process of your body healing has very little to do with evolution. You are confusing two different things.

same to you,unatakiwa upate japo elementary school ya theology ili kukufumbua uwezo wa kutafakari. Body healing or cell healing ? in human it is body and not multiple of very small cells...
Na huyu kirusi wa AIDS anayechukua up to 10-15 years yeye hana rapid production rate...

H1N1 · Aug 31, 2012

Kiranga said:
Ukishajua kwamba dini na sayansi ni tofauti, utajua kwamba knowledge na faith ni tofauti.

Sina tatizo na wanaosema wana faith kwamba mungu yupo, imani tu, wanaruhusiwa kuamini chochote.The Bermuda triangle, astrology, wachawi kupaa kwa ungo, the Loch Ness monster, Santa Claus etc.

Lakini ukisema unajua, knowledge is the realm of science and must be proved by empirical evidence.

Ukishasema unajua kwamba mungu yupo, tutakuomba ushahidi unaokubalika kisayansi kwa mujibu wa werevu uliopo so far.

Ama sivyo utakuwa huna haki ya kukataa kwamba chupa si almasi.

Tatizo unachukua definition ya knowledge kwenye sayansi unaitumia kujumuisha mambo ambayo si ya kisayansi,hapa hakuna swala la faith au lah,kuna swala la uelewa kwa kadri ya imani ya mtu kidini na si kisayansi,sasa wewe unahangaika kutaka empirical evidence kwenye mambo ya dini wakati hata kwenye sayansi yako yako mambo mengi mno ambayo wanasayansi wanajifanya wanayajua lakini hawana empircal evidence... moja ni hili la HIV kueneza AIDS japo wanasayansi wanaamini na karibu dunia nzima imepokea imani hiyo lakini hakuna empirical evidence.

H1N1 · Aug 31, 2012

Nyani Ngabu said:
Yaani bacteria ambao hata hawaonekani kwa naked eye(s) ndiyo mfano mzuri wa nadharia ya evolution? Wow!!!

Hujamwelewa NN,ana maanisha bakteria baada ya kuingiliwa na antibiotics wame evolve na kuwa SUNGURA ndani ya damu then antibiotics haziwaoni.

H1N1 · Aug 31, 2012

Iron Lady said:
Hutakiwi kuchoka kwani mantiki ya ninachokiandika bado inakuwa inaeleweka. ningekuwa naandika kitu ambacho hakisomeki hapo kungekuwa na problem.what matters ni content

finally let us agree to disagree.

Usimwache aendelee kupotosha uma Iron Lady,huyu jamaa amekariri na anao uwezo mkubwa wa kukariri,kilicho cha maana hata kama anahamia kwenye vitu kama hujui kuquote ili apate dirisha la kukimbilia usimwache, amezoea kuleta hoja zake zilizojaa mambo ambayo hayaelewi japo ameyakariri,anachofanya ni kushusha kila alichokariri. Tafadhali usimpe nafasi ili aeneze uzushi wake asije wapotisha wale wasio na uelewa mzuri.

Nyani Ngabu · Aug 31, 2012

H1N1 said:
Hujamwelewa NN,ana maanisha bakteria baada ya kuingiliwa na antibiotics wame evolve na kuwa SUNGURA ndani ya damu then antibiotics haziwaoni.

Ooh safi sana. Maana kama kweli wana evolve...wanageuka kuwa nini sasa? Viruses?

Kiranga · Aug 31, 2012

H1N1 said:
Tatizo unachukua definition ya knowledge kwenye sayansi unaitumia kujumuisha mambo ambayo si ya kisayansi,hapa hakuna swala la faith au lah,kuna swala la uelewa kwa kadri ya imani ya mtu kidini na si kisayansi,sasa wewe unahangaika kutaka empirical evidence kwenye mambo ya dini wakati hata kwenye sayansi yako yako mambo mengi mno ambayo wanasayansi wanajifanya wanayajua lakini hawana empircal evidence... moja ni hili la HIV kueneza AIDS japo wanasayansi wanaamini na karibu dunia nzima imepokea imani hiyo lakini hakuna empirical evidence.

Tatizo huelewi kwamba just as faith is the realm of religion, knowledge is the realm of science.

Kiranga · Aug 31, 2012

Nyani Ngabu said:
Ooh safi sana. Maana kama kweli wana evolve...wanageuka kuwa nini sasa? Viruses?

The arrow of evolution cannot be substantially predicted as it is inherently predicated by random mutations.

Observations are showing a trend for life to evolve from the simple to the complex.

Viruses (20 - 400nm) are simpler life forms compared to bacteria (1000nm), so a bacteria cannot evolve into a virus.

Bacteria will evolve into more developed forms of bacteria. Eg, Malaria causing bacteria in the last 20 years evolved from ones that could easily be killed by Chloroquine to ones that require more powerful Malaria drugs.

Evolution ndiyo maana si rahisi kwenda hospitali leo na kupewa Chloroquine kwa kuponya Malaria au Tetracycline kwa magonjwa yenu yale vijana.

Nyani Ngabu · Aug 31, 2012

Kiranga said:
The arrow of evolution cannot be substantially predicted as it is inherently predicated by random mutations.

Observations are showing a trend for life to evolve from the simple to the complex.

Viruses (20 - 400nm) are simpler life forms compared to bacteria (1000nm), so a bacteria cannot evolve into a virus.

Bacteria will evolve into more developed forms of bacteria. Eg, Malaria causing bacteria in the last 20 years evolved from ones that could easily be killed by Chloroquine to ones that require more powerful Malaria drugs.

Evolution ndiyo maana si rahisi kwenda hospitali leo na kupewa Chloroquine kwa kuponya Malaria au Tetracycline kwa magonjwa yenu yale vijana.

What if it is just the drugs that were thought of being effective weren't that effective to begin with?

And now with the advances in medical science there are better and more effective drugs than there used to be...

H1N1 · Aug 31, 2012

Kiranga said:
Onyesha kwamba kaumba maisha basi.

'Mungu akasema nchi na izae kiumbe hai kwa jinsi zake (evolution defeated here)mnyama wa kufugwa na kitaambacho na wanyama wa mwitu kwa jinsi zake, ikawa hivyo. Mungu akafanya mnyama wa mwitu kwa jinsi zake, na mnyama wa kufugwa kwa jinsi zake na kila kitambaacho juu ya nchi kwa jinsi yake,Mungu akaona ya kuwa ni vyema. Mungu akasema na tumfanye mtu kwa mfano wetu,kwa sura yetu:...' (Mwanzo 1:24-26)sema tatizo lako,usilete matatizo yako ya kukariri kusema Oooh wewe huamini Mungu kwa hiyo hayo maandiko huyaamini,ficha uji..nga huo,nani kakwambia kuwa mimi naamini sayansi yako na maandiko ya wanasayansi au wanafalsafa wako uliokariri maandiko yao.
Mungu ndiye ambaye ni universal kwangu, sayansi au falsafa kwangu sio universal kama wewe unaiamini ni wewe kwangu iko subject to questioning...

Kiranga · Aug 31, 2012

Nyani Ngabu said:
What if it is just the drugs that were thought of being effective weren't that effective to begin with?

And now with the advances in medical science there are better and more effective drugs than there used to be...

Soma zaidi kuhusu antibiotic resistance hapa kwa kuanzia

Antibiotic resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nyani Ngabu · Aug 31, 2012

Kiranga said:
Soma zaidi kuhusu antibiotic resistance hapa kwa kuanzia

Antibiotic resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hahahaaaa...hiyo bado hainishawishi kuhusu hiyo nadharia ya evolution.

Naweza kusema wanasayansi bado wana safari ndefu sana katika kuielezea hiyo dhana.

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