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Naomba maelezo kutoka kwa yeyote anaejua:
1. Je serikali ya palestina ilikuwa inaongozwa na kiongozi(rais, mfalme,sultani,waziri mkuu n.k) aliyeitwa nani (jina) hapo mnamo mwaka 1948 inaposemekana ndipo taifa la Israel lilipoundwa?
2. Hiyo palestina ilishawahi kutawaliwa kabla? Mkoloni aliitwa nani? (i.e. Nchi iliyoitawala palestina) Na ilipata uhuru mwaka gani?
3. Kwa kuwa inaaminika kuwa israel haikuwepo ila iliivamia ardhi ya palestina, je hawa wayahudi walizuka tu hapa duniani? Je hawana ardhi yao ya asili? Kama ipo ardhi yao ya asili, je ni wapi?
4. Kwenye vitabu vya dini, Biblia na Qur'an vyote vinatambua uwepo wa wana wa israel, je, kwa mujibu wa vitabu hivi, hawa wana waisrael walikuwa wanaishi wapi wakati huo? Hilo eneo/ nchi waliyokuwa wanaishi kipindi hicho, lipo hadi leo hii au lilitoweka halipo tena? Naomba nijibiwe kwanza hayo maswali japo ninayo mengine ya ziada.
Mkuu kabla ya 1948 hapakuwepo taifa la Israel.
Israel was CREATED. As a modern seperate state for Jews, wakati Palestine ikiwa chini ya waingereza.
Naambatanisha hii summary:
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.
Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman
Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region. The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
Soon after President Truman took office, he appointed several experts to study the Palestinian issue. In the summer of 1946, Truman established a special cabinet committee under the chairmanship of Dr. Henry F. Grady, an Assistant Secretary of State, who entered into negotiations with a parallel British committee to discuss the future of Palestine. In May 1946, Truman announced his approval of a recommendation to admit 100,000 displaced persons into Palestine and in October publicly declared his support for the creation of a Jewish state. Throughout 1947, the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine examined the Palestinian question and recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain's former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.
Although the United States backed Resolution 181, the U.S. Department of State recommended the creation of a United Nations trusteeship with limits on Jewish immigration and a division of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab provinces but not states. The State Department, concerned about the possibility of an increasing Soviet role in the Arab world and the potential for restriction by Arab oil producing nations of oil supplies to the United States, advised against U.S. intervention on behalf of the Jews. Later, as the date for British departure from Palestine drew near, the Department of State grew concerned about the possibility of an all-out war in Palestine as Arab states threatened to attack almost as soon as the UN passed the partition resolution.
Despite growing conflict between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews and despite the Department of State's endorsement of a trusteeship, Truman ultimately decided to recognize the state Israel.
Source:US Department of State website
wasio taka wapalestina wasiwe na nchi yao wenyewe ni wapalestina wala si wayahudi. wapalestina wanasema wanataka ardhi yote ile na wayahudi warudi ulaya. kuhusu kuua watoto wadogo, angalia clip hapo juu inayoonyesha hamas wanavyowateka watoto wa kipalestina na kuwaweka eneo la vita ili wakiuawa dunia ione huruma na kusema israel inaua watoto. hivyo ndivyo walivyofanya hata kwenda kwenye ile shule ya umoja wa mataifa. na hiyo ni mbinu mojawapo ya kivita hamas wanatumia. genocide haipo ndio maana hata human rights watch na kitengo cha human rights wamejitahidi kutafuta kosa wakasema litakuwa ni war crimes tu, ambalo nalo wameshashindwa kuthibitisha kwasababu ya video nyingi zilizoonyesha hamas wanatumia human shield. kama hamas wangekuwa hawatumii human shield, israel ingeshakuwa responsible kitambo.kwani israel lengo lake nini kama sio kuwafuta wapalestina.
Kwanza hawataki wawe na nchi yao,na pia hawataki wawe sehemu ya israel,pia wanaua watoto wadogo ili kuteketeza kizazi kijacho,pia wamewaweka kifungoni,hamna kutoka wala kuingia.etc.
We hapo huoni lengo lao ni genocide?
nimesema kama lengo lao lingekuwa ni kuwateketeza basi wanao uwezo kuwateketeza mara moja, lengo lao si kuwateketeza wala kuua raia ndio maana hata hao waliokufa ni collateral damage za kawaida tu ambazo ziko expected vitani. na ni kwasababu hamas wametumia raia kama shield. ni sawa na mtu anakuchoma kisu wewe ukitaka kumrudishia anabeka kitoto anajikinga nacho na bado anaendelea kukuchoma, utafanyeje? utamwacha aendelee? akuue kabisa na unaona kabisa lengo lake ni kukuua ila ukitaka kujitetea umpige anajikinga na kitoto.utafanyeje ili upone wewe na watoto wako anaowateketeza?Unaposema wangetaka wangepiga bomu moja tu wakateketeza wote,hivi unajua mabomu kilo milioni ngapi yameporomoshwa gaza?.
Ama unasemea nuclear?.
Nyuklia licha ya madhara ya mlipuko pia ina radiation.israel haiwezi kuwapiga wapalestina nuclear kwani nao wataathirika.ujue eneo hilo ni karibu karibu kama kutoka posta kwenda ostabei ama masaki.
kwani israel lengo lake nini kama sio kuwafuta wapalestina.
Kwanza hawataki wawe na nchi yao,na pia hawataki wawe sehemu ya israel,pia wanaua watoto wadogo ili kuteketeza kizazi kijacho,pia wamewaweka kifungoni,hamna kutoka wala kuingia.etc.
We hapo huoni lengo lao ni genocide?
yap, it was created as jewish state kwani walikuwa wanarudi kuunda tena taifa lao lililokuwa limesambaratika kwenye ardhi ambayo Mungu alikuwa amewapatia iwe yao milele. cha muhimu hapa ni ushahidi tu kwamba je? ile ardhi ni ya waisrael au wapalestina? nenda israel kaangalie kuna mejengo yaliyojengwa kipindi cha ufalme wa israel hadi leo yapo, hadi makaburi yao yapo. makaburi ya absalom mtoto wa daudi mfalme wa israel, makaburi ya daudi, makaburi ya mariam etcMkuu hebu jisomee hiyo information kama itakusaidia .
suala la watoto kutekwa ni propaganda.wasio taka wapalestina wasiwe na nchi yao wenyewe ni wapalestina wala si wayahudi. wapalestina wanasema wanataka ardhi yote ile na wayahudi warudi ulaya. kuhusu kuua watoto wadogo, angalia clip hapo juu inayoonyesha hamas wanavyowateka watoto wa kipalestina na kuwaweka eneo la vita ili wakiuawa dunia ione huruma na kusema israel inaua watoto. hivyo ndivyo walivyofanya hata kwenda kwenye ile shule ya umoja wa mataifa. na hiyo ni mbinu mojawapo ya kivita hamas wanatumia. genocide haipo ndio maana hata human rights watch na kitengo cha human rights wamejitahidi kutafuta kosa wakasema litakuwa ni war crimes tu, ambalo nalo wameshashindwa kuthibitisha kwasababu ya video nyingi zilizoonyesha hamas wanatumia human shield. kama hamas wangekuwa hawatumii human shield, israel ingeshakuwa responsible kitambo.
hapo kwenye red jirekebisha kabla sijakushushua. hawana shule kwasababu ya maugomvi kama hayo. waarabu hata hivyo shule kwao sio priority. pili, kama lengo la israel lilikuwa ni kuachieve killings, i tell you they could have killed all of them in gaza. kuhusu kuteka waisrael kuwa ni propaganda, inaonyesha kuwa hauwajui hamas, haufuatilii news na unawaza mlengo mmoja tu hivyo you are not worthy to argue na mtu. bye.suala la watoto kutekwa ni propaganda.
Wapalestina ni watu ambao wako so educated kiasi kuwa jambo kama hilo haliwezi kunyamaziwa.hakuna mtoto anafanywa ngao hapo gaza.idadi ya watoto wanaokufa ni wengi kwasababu 50% ya wakazi wa gaza ni watoto chini ya miaka 16.
Asilimia 70 ni vijana chini 25 years.kwahiyo population ya watoto iko so high.pia hakuna haja ya kufanya mtoto ngao wakati mabomu yalikua yakipigwa gaza yote kwahiyo kila mtu alikua hatarini ngao ama bila ngao.
Lengo la israel ilikua ni kuarchiave as many killing as possible ili kuwatisha palestina wasi resist tena.na hii ndo maana hakuna kitu wameachiave zaidi ya kuua watu na kubomoa majumba.
vita haina macho inakuaje hamas wameua askari wa israel lakini israel wameua watoto wakati israel wana technology ya kutumia precision attack?.Nami nilidhani israeli wanakosea kufanya operation hiyo,walipooonesha handaki zilizojengwa makanisani,misikitini hata kwenye majengo mengine ya public na mashule ili kuhihujumu israel nikakubaliana nao kwamba katika kuangamiza hayo maandaki,yeyote anayeruhusu nyumba yake itumike kuihujumu israeli anajitangazia vita na israeli na ni mfuasi wa hamasi.
Kama hao ni wasomi waanze kuishauri hamas isifanye hujuma dhidi ya israeli then kama watavamiwa ndo mataifa yajadili.kinyume na hapo wote tukae kimya tuwaachie israeli na hamas wapigane atakayechoka atanyosha mikono juu.
Mbona huyo makwaiya hajaweka mdahalo kuhusu kashmir na syria au huko wanaouwawa ni mawe?
Na issue ya kuua watoto,vita haina macho,Idd Amini alipovamia Bukoba mwaka 1978 watoto wengi kule missenye na minziro waliuawa,tena kikatili kwavisu n.k,kwani tunasema watoto ni taifa la kesho.Kadhalika mtoto wa gaidi ni gaidi la kesho.
wewe unawajua hamas?.ama unachangamsha genge?.hapo kwenye red jirekebisha kabla sijakushushua. hawana shule kwasababu ya maugomvi kama hayo. waarabu hata hivyo shule kwao sio priority. pili, kama lengo la israel lilikuwa ni kuachieve killings, i tell you they could have killed all of them in gaza. kuhusu kuteka waisrael kuwa ni propaganda, inaonyesha kuwa hauwajui hamas, haufuatilii news na unawaza mlengo mmoja tu hivyo you are not worthy to argue na mtu. bye.
hahaha, msikie huyu naye, yaani huyu ndio hata hajui kinachoendelea. what do you mean occupied territory? nchi ambayo inatambuliwa na umoja wa mataifa, ni member wa UN wewe leo unakuja kusema ni occupying state, unafikiri hata siku moja mtakuka kuwaondoa warudi ulaya na marekani? je? palestina inatambuliwa na UN kama nchi? halafu zile tunnel unafikiri kweli ni za resistance au lengo lao ilikuwa ni kuteketeza wayahudi....badala ya kujenga shule na hospitali wao wanajenga tunnels, badala ya kinga raia wao wawawaweka raia mbele kama ngao ili wafe waonewe huruma na dunia na lawama iende kwa waisrael, badala ya kupeleka raia kwenye mahandaki wao wanapeleka silaha kwenye mahandaki...ajabu yake ni kwamba kule israel kuna makazi ya chini rocket zikiwa nyingi raia wanakimbilia chini wanalindwa....umeona tofauti ya terrorists na watu wa kawaida?vita haina macho inakuaje hamas wameua askari wa israel lakini israel wameua watoto wakati israel wana technology ya kutumia precision attack?.
Wapalestina kuchimba underground tunnels si ndo resistance yenyewe ama hujui kuwa ni occupied territory?.ulitaka walale tu wakati wanaminywa uhuru wao?.
that is not the case,hata wangoni wameacha makaburi ya babu zao africa kusini lakini haiwapi haki ya kurudi huko kudai ardhi.yap, it was created as jewish state kwani walikuwa wanarudi kuunda tena taifa lao lililokuwa limesambaratika kwenye ardhi ambayo Mungu alikuwa amewapatia iwe yao milele. cha muhimu hapa ni ushahidi tu kwamba je? ile ardhi ni ya waisrael au wapalestina? nenda israel kaangalie kuna mejengo yaliyojengwa kipindi cha ufalme wa israel hadi leo yapo, hadi makaburi yao yapo. makaburi ya absalom mtoto wa daudi mfalme wa israel, makaburi ya daudi, makaburi ya mariam etc
naona unabisha kishabiki sana,dunia nzima inajua kuwa palestina is an occupied territory na ndo maana kuna maazimio mengi ya UN against israel na mara nyingi marekani hutumia kura ya veto kuikoa israel.hahaha, msikie huyu naye, yaani huyu ndio hata hajui kinachoendelea. what do you mean occupied territory? nchi ambayo inatambuliwa na umoja wa mataifa, ni member wa UN wewe leo unakuja kusema ni occupying state, unafikiri hata siku moja mtakuka kuwaondoa warudi ulaya na marekani? je? palestina inatambuliwa na UN kama nchi? halafu zile tunnel unafikiri kweli ni za resistance au lengo lao ilikuwa ni kuteketeza wayahudi....badala ya kujenga shule na hospitali wao wanajenga tunnels, badala ya kinga raia wao wawawaweka raia mbele kama ngao ili wafe waonewe huruma na dunia na lawama iende kwa waisrael, badala ya kupeleka raia kwenye mahandaki wao wanapeleka silaha kwenye mahandaki...ajabu yake ni kwamba kule israel kuna makazi ya chini rocket zikiwa nyingi raia wanakimbilia chini wanalindwa....umeona tofauti ya terrorists na watu wa kawaida?
tofautisha wangoni na wayahudi. wayahudi ile ardhi walipewa na Mungu specifically kabisa, ndio maana hata kipindi wameenda uhamishoni misri walirudi tena pale na kuwakuta wafilisti wakawapiga na kuchukua nchi yao. mungu aliwapa wayahudi ile ardhi kwasababu wao tu Ibrahim NDIYE ALIkuwa anamwabudu yeye Mungu wa kweli n ilikuwa ni zawadi. hakuna taifa lingine duniani lilipewa ardhi maalumu ila israel tu. sisi wengine tuliambiwa tu twende kukazaliane huko duniani ila waisrael waliambiwa wakae pale wamepewa ile ardhi. hata hivyo I am happy unakiri kuwa pale israel kuna evidence zote kuwa waisrael walikuwa wanakaa pale ila walienda uhamishoni kwenye mataifa mengine. sasa si wamerudi kwao jamani?that is not the case,hata wangoni wameacha makaburi ya babu zao africa kusini lakini haiwapi haki ya kurudi huko kudai ardhi.
Azimio la balfour lilikta azimio la kitapeli na ndo lileta vita na mambo haya mpaka leo hii.karudie kusoma tena declaration ya balfour uone jinsi utapeli ulitumika kuisimika israel mashariki ya kati.
kuhusiana na azimio la balfour, unachotakiwa kujua ni kwamba, ugomvi huu haujaanza leo, ulianza hata kabla ya Yesu kuzaliwa. kipindi wanatoka misri na Musa, Musa alipokufa jangwani aliyepewa kuongoza waisrael kwenda pale walipo ni Joshua na Kaleb. Mungu aliwaambia hawa vijana wawili kuwa mkifika kule muwapige kabisa wale wakazi wa pale na mchukue nchi. wao walipofika pale holy land wakawapiga lakini wakaona kuna wanawake wengine wazuri wakawaacha na wakaingia mkataba na wafalme wa kifilisti kuwa wasiwaue ila wao wafilist wawe chini ya wayahudi na watawatumikia. Mungu alichukia akawatabiria kuwa 'hao mliowaacha watakuwa mwiba kwenu maisha yenu yote". hili lipo kwenye Biblia ukitaka nitakufunulia kifungu.naona unabisha kishabiki sana,dunia nzima inajua kuwa palestina is an occupied territory na ndo maana kuna maazimio mengi ya UN against israel na mara nyingi marekani hutumia kura ya veto kuikoa israel.
Kinachoshindwa kukuelewa wewe ni kua unabisha out of ignorance ama ni ushabiki wa kile unachokiamini,wataalamu huita israel asskisser.
kama dunia nzima inajua kuwa palestina is an occupied territory then why does the UN recognize israel as legitimate state/its member state? and palestine is not member of the UN? halafu, hivi mauaji ya syria yaliyoteketeza watoto maelfu na maelfu mmeona ni madogo kuliko hayo yaliyofanyika na israel anapojilinda na hamas? au shida yenu ni israel tu kama mnavyowaita "mayahudi'.naona unabisha kishabiki sana,dunia nzima inajua kuwa palestina is an occupied territory na ndo maana kuna maazimio mengi ya UN against israel na mara nyingi marekani hutumia kura ya veto kuikoa israel.
Kinachoshindwa kukuelewa wewe ni kua unabisha out of ignorance ama ni ushabiki wa kile unachokiamini,wataalamu huita israel asskisser.