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Do you Think Mr Agwambo Raila atashinda urais after Ile TUME kuundwa upya ? Mi iko nauliza Tu na ntashukuru if nitapewa answers.
 
Tume ya uchaguzi haipigi kura, sisi Wakenya ndio wenye kura. Kila mmoja wa viongozi atajinadi kwetu. Jukumu letu ni kuamuka asubuhi na mapema na kwenda na kutenda haki yetu ya msingi. Tume huru itakua na jukumu la kuhesabu kura.

Binafsi hapa nitakua nadanganya nikisema fulani ataibuka mshindi, maana kura yangu ni moja tu, ilhali waliojiandikisha kupiga kura ni mamilioni ya Wakenya.
 
Nope. Kama hilo ndilo expectation yake, what a wrong strategy that one is.

Suala hapa ni kuwepo kwa tume ambalo haliegemei upande wowote, sio kuweka "referee" ambaye atakupendelea wewe.
Ashinde, asishinde, mradi kuwe thru fair elections.
 
Geza Ulole said:
Mkipiga bila ukabila RAO anashinda!
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No, Geza. No. Dont be so naive.
As long as you are identified as the leader of a certain supposedly suppressed ethnic, class or religious group (or worse) if u style yourself as one, it then becomes really difficult to muster countrywide support for the top seat, for the other ethnic, class or religious groups will fear u and wouldnt trust your intentions.
That is Mr. Raila's biggest political blunder that will prevent him from ever ascending to the top seat in the land.
 
Iconoclastes said:
No, Geza. No. Dont be so naive.
As long as you are identified as the leader of a certain supposedly suppressed ethnic, class or religious group (or worse) if u style yourself as one, it then becomes really difficult to muster countrywide support for the top seat, for the other ethnic, class or religious groups will fear u and wouldnt trust your intentions.
That is Mr. Raila's biggest political blunder that will prevent him from ever ascending to the top seat in the land.
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Geza alikuwa sahihi
Ona hali kama hii


Jubilee inarutubisha uchochezi kupitia nyadhifa - Mudavadi


Imepakiwa - Tuesday, June 21 2016 at 11:31
Kwa Mukhtasari
Kinara wa chama cha Amani National Congress (ANC) Bw Musalia Mudavadi amesema serikali ya Jubilee ndio inakuza kukithiri kwa matamshi ya uchochezi na ukabila nchini kupitia ugawaji wa nyadhifa kuu za serikali kwa misingi ya kikabila.


KINARA wa chama cha Amani National Congress (ANC) Bw Musalia Mudavadi amesema serikali ya Jubilee ndio inakuza kukithiri kwa matamshi ya uchochezi na ukabila nchini kupitia ugawaji wa nyadhifa kuu za serikali kwa misingi ya kikabila.
Kupitia taarifa kwa wanahabari, Bw Mudavadi alisema, "Serikali ya kitaifa imeweka pembeni hitaji la Katiba la kujumuisha kila mkenya. Jubilee imekiuka kipengele nambari 130 kinachoilazimu serikali kuhakikisha inawateua maafisa wakuu wa serikali kutoka matabaka yote nchini hali ambayo imefanya iwe vigumu kupigana na ukabila."
Bw Mudavadi alisema swala hili limepalilia uchochezi nchini na kufanya wachochezi kupata nafasi kubwa nchini kisiasa.
Alisema, "Hakuna hotuba zozote dhidi ya uchochezi zitakazoweza kubadili hali hii ikiwa serikali haitahakikisha kila mtu ahisi kuwa Mkenya."
Aliongeza, “Njia rahisi ya kupigana na ukabila na uchochezi ni kuhakikisha utekelezwaji wa kipengele 130 bila kuzingatia ni nani alipigia nani kura.”
Bila kutaja majina, Bw Mudavadi aliwasihi wakenya kuwakataa na kuwatenga wachochezi huku akisema nia ya wachochezi ni kutumia ukabila kung'aa kisiasa.
Kuzuiliwa kwa siku nne
Matamshi ya Mudavadi yanajiri juma moja tu baada ya wanasiasa wanane kutiwa mbaroni na kushtakiwa mahakamani kwa tuhuma za uchochezi na baadaye kuzuiliwa kwa siku kadha baada ya kunyimwa dhamana.
Wanane hao ni Seneta wa Machakos Johnson Muthama na wabunge Junet Mohamed, Aisha Jumwa, Timothy Bosire, Florence Mutua, Moses Kuria na Ferdinand Waititu.
“Imekuwa hali ya kawaida kwa wanasiasa kuwa mashujaa kwa kuchochea makabila yao dhidi ya watu wengine. Serikali ya Jubilee inazidi kupalilia hali hii na kufanya
 
Before it seemed to be so obvious,but now no one can say who will win...and it is too early to even get to such a conversation,because both leaders are okay in the eyes of many,a 50/50 thing. So personally am more concerned with 2022. This is just a race to quench both of the leaders thirst
 
MOTOCHINI, unafikiri huyu Raila Odinga na Musalia Mudavadi sio wakabila? Ya kwamba ukabila umekithiri tu ndani ya jamii za central na rift valley?
 
Iconoclastes said:
MOTOCHINI, unafikiri huyu Raila Odinga na Musalia Mudavadi sio wakabila? Ya kwamba ukabila umekithiri tu ndani ya jamii za central na rift valley?
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Unaijua treni wewe

Kuna kitu kinaitwa mabehewa nq kichwa(injini)
Hivyo injini ikienda hovyo nayo mabehewa hufuata

Serikali ndio kinara cha ukabila
Unadhani hao watawaliwa hawata kuwa na ukabila?

Nshu kubwa hapo ni je Raila ataingia ikulu kwa tume ya uchaguzi kubadilishwa?
Jibu ni hapana
Kenya tatizo sio tume tu
 
MOTOCHINI said:
Unaijua treni wewe

Kuna kitu kinaitwa mabehewa nq kichwa(injini)
Hivyo injini ikienda hovyo nayo mabehewa hufuata

Serikali ndio kinara cha ukabila
Unadhani hao watawaliwa hawata kuwa na ukabila?

Nshu kubwa hapo ni je Raila ataingia ikulu kwa tume ya uchaguzi kubadilishwa?
Jibu ni hapana
Kenya tatizo sio tume tu
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Kura zikipigwa kikabila, Raila hata anaweza kuibuka mshindi, yaani akiweza kushawishi hayo makabilia. Kwa mfano akifaulu kupokea uungwaji mkono kutokea kwa mkoa wa Magharibi, wampigie kura wote, hapo atakua amepiga hatua kubwa sana. Sasa tatizo linakua hapo, kuwashawishi wote wampigie yeye pekee bila kuchakachua ni jambo gumu.

Jamii ya watu wanaotokea Magharibi mwa Kenya ina wapiga kura wengi sana, ni kama tu vile Wasukuma wa Tanzania waliompigia Magufuli kura kwa mamilioni, nakumbuka jinsi alikua akitafuta kura kwao kwa kuongea ongea Kisukuma huko kwao japo yeye mwenyewe ametokea kwa kabila fulani hapo jirani.
 
Nasikia Uhuru iko tegemea Sana hiyo tume kumpeleka Ikulu and this time itakua na members from both CORD & JUBILEE. So itakua ngumu kwake kushinda.

MK254 said:
Tume ya uchaguzi haipigi kura, sisi Wakenya ndio wenye kura. Kila mmoja wa viongozi atajinadi kwetu. Jukumu letu ni kuamuka asubuhi na mapema na kwenda na kutenda haki yetu ya msingi. Tume huru itakua na jukumu la kuhesabu kura.

Binafsi hapa nitakua nadanganya nikisema fulani ataibuka mshindi, maana kura yangu ni moja tu, ilhali waliojiandikisha kupiga kura ni mamilioni ya Wakenya.
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MK254 said:
Kura zikipigwa kikabila, Raila hata anaweza kuibuka mshindi, yaani akiweza kushawishi hayo makabilia. Kwa mfano akifaulu kupokea uungwaji mkono kutokea kwa mkoa wa Magharibi, wampigie kura wote, hapo atakua amepiga hatua kubwa sana. Sasa tatizo linakua hapo, kuwashawishi wote wampigie yeye pekee bila kuchakachua ni jambo gumu.

Jamii ya watu wanaotokea Magharibi mwa Kenya ina wapiga kura wengi sana, ni kama tu vile Wasukuma wa Tanzania waliompigia Magufuli kura kwa mamilioni, nakumbuka jinsi alikua akitafuta kura kwao kwa kuongea ongea Kisukuma huko kwao japo yeye mwenyewe ametokea kwa kabila fulani hapo jirani.
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You beat me to that argument MK254

MOTOCHINI said:
Unaijua treni wewe

Kuna kitu kinaitwa mabehewa nq kichwa(injini)
Hivyo injini ikienda hovyo nayo mabehewa hufuata

Serikali ndio kinara cha ukabila
Unadhani hao watawaliwa hawata kuwa na ukabila?

Nshu kubwa hapo ni je Raila ataingia ikulu kwa tume ya uchaguzi kubadilishwa?
Jibu ni hapana
Kenya tatizo sio tume tu
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Siasa hapa Kenya ni za kiukabila MOTOCHINI na huyu Raila kwa kiwango fulani amesaidia sana kueneza hii aina mbaya ya siasa. Tangu kuingia kwenye siasa, amekuwa akitumia hiyo tactic ambayo MK254 amezungumzia hapo juu, ya kuleta makabila kadhaa pamoja ili kuwashinda ule mrengo mwingine ambayo pia inaohusisha makabila mengine.

Raila has such a tremendous ability to mobilize pipo. That is why he is very feared by his political opponents, from during the Moi era, through the Kibaki era to this current Kenyatta regime.

In order to undermine the repressive govt of KANU govt, this Raila mobilized the Luos, Kikuyus, Baluhyas etc to gang up the mainly Kalenjin controlled govt until they defeated it in the 2002 elections. He then proceeded to patch up a unity of Luos, Kalenjins, Baluhyas and the coastal tribes against the "Kikuyu" controlled Kibaki regime, and almost like the Kanu govt before it, he nearly ousted it in 2007. In the run-up to the 2013 elections, the same strategy was applied; of amassing the different communities into a one political unit, but this time found himself outmatched by the Jubilee whose political skill (which involved splitting his Western support base) he'd clearly underestimated.
It is the same perilous, divisive political stratagem being replayed in the run-up to the next year's general elections.

Kwa hivo MOTOCHINI, msimuone kama huyu Raila ni mtu mwema, malaika anayekandamizwa na ule upande mwingine. Hizi siasa za ukabila ni yeye amesaida kuziendeleza kwa kiwango kikubwa.
 
bily said:
Ile tume wameweka pembeni wanaelekea kuunda tume huru itakayokua na members from CORD na jubilee.
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I dont like this. And what then would the other emergent political parties not represented in this new electoral commisison think? It should be totally independent from influence by any political groups.
 
Kambalanick said:
Before it seemed to be so obvious,but now no one can say who will win...and it is too early to even get to such a conversation,because both leaders are okay in the eyes of many,a 50/50 thing. So personally am more concerned with 2022. This is just a race to quench both of the leaders thirst
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Kales wa ki shift loyalty Jubilee itakuwa in precarious footing. Ruto is King maker.
 
simplemind said:
Kales wa ki shift loyalty Jubilee itakuwa in precarious footing. Ruto is the King maker.
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Which Ruto? I think the political clout of that Ruto who is the Kenya's deputy president is waning. There is this other Ruto who is the governor of Bomet who is proving to have the capability to command the support of a sizeable number of his pipo to support either of the political camps.
That is why even the inner circle within the TNA, (u know that other wing of the Jubilee coalition?) is openly showing Ruto, the DP with contempt. Did u hear what that gentleman called Kafogo said about him recently?
That underscores the attitude within that wing of the coalition towards this man Ruto, the DP who's being touted as the "king maker". They appear to be certain that they can do without him.
 
MK254 said:
Tume ya uchaguzi haipigi kura, sisi Wakenya ndio wenye kura. Kila mmoja wa viongozi atajinadi kwetu. Jukumu letu ni kuamuka asubuhi na mapema na kwenda na kutenda haki yetu ya msingi. Tume huru itakua na jukumu la kuhesabu kura.

Binafsi hapa nitakua nadanganya nikisema fulani ataibuka mshindi, maana kura yangu ni moja tu, ilhali waliojiandikisha kupiga kura ni mamilioni ya Wakenya.
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My thoughts exactly!!!!


Raila needs to campaign now

Ensure most of his supporters have IDs and

Ensure he wins majority of MCAS in at least 30 counties..... Otherwise hata waeke tume ya marekani ishikilie kura hakutabadilika....


Jubilee cord nikama Remain and leave campaign za brexit hard to tell who will win


And FYI if none of the contestants achieve 50% of all votes cast plus 1 there will be a rerun in December!!
 
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