Juu ya tuhuma kwa Zitto na kundi lake kutoka kwa Mamuya...

[Ritz]

Halafu kuna mtu anasema Chadema hakuna makundi.

 

[Dine]

haya kimenuka tena ngoja tuone mwisho wenu

 

[jerrytz]

...wa pili upi tena. wa Mungu tumeshausikia na upande wa kalumanzila unaoua mpaka panya tumeshausikia. Huo mwingine unaousubiri wewe ni upi tena?

Bado Godbless Lema kwa jinsi ambavyo aliundiwa zengwe na hao madiwani lazima aje ampe mtu kubwa! Kweli usiwashe moto msituni maana huu moto hakuna wa kuuzima

 

[mak89]

Dakika chache zilizopita nimejaribu kuaccess Uzi huu as a guest, ikashindikana ila nilivyolog in nimeweza.
Ina maana guests wamekuwa denied access na Uzi huu na wa mchage??

kweli kabisa, kweli siasa ni mchezo mchafu

 

[mabuba]

Jamani Mzee Arfi naye anatumiwa na nani?

 

[daudi33]

Haya ndio mambo ya kudhani kwamba kwakuwa umekaa kwenye chama mda mrefu basi kimeshakuwa chako... CHADEMA wanahitaji kuangalia sana watu wa aina hii.

 

[OKW BOBAN SUNZU]

Jamiiforum imeijenga CHADEMA , na sasa inaibomoa ipasavyo. Hongereni

 

[Big Baba]

Halafu kuna mtu anasema Chadema hakuna makundi.

Ccm yapo?

 

[bodachogo]

Mkuu Exaud Mamuya:

Asante sana kwa kuja kuongeza uzito wa hoja mamluki wengine wasije wakaingili na kutuvuga hapa.

Akija Zitto na kuleta viroja vyake hapa sasa tunamuwekea VIDEO na sauti kabisa!

Taifa kwanza, Chama, kisha watu!

Kelele zoote za nini kama video ipo weka msiwapotezee watu muda kujadili upompompo, sio kutishiana tishiana tu kama watoto vinginevyo itabakia kuwa u..........

 

[fukunyungu]

kumbe ukitoka kigoma unakua mchawi eeh?

 

[moshdar]

Kinacheendelea humu ni propaganda at the highest degree,sad to see many falling for the traps.
Saying zitto is a traitor is as credible as saying Romney is evading tax through a Swiss account.it could be entirely wrong,but all evidences are pointing towards the rhetoric.
Am not saying zitto is a traitor or not,what I am saying is Ben,Yericko and Mamuya's allegations are built on a bunch of rhetorics that are easy to fabricate as they are trading towards what people want to hear.
I was expecting those throwing allegations to provide clear cut evidences such as extracts of their communications(text,voice,email) and unquestionable alibis.i have not seen that.saying zitto knows me as he called me 2 times is a bit of stretching it too much.i expected 20+ calls,with call durations of no less than 5mins,this would imply knowing each other.ican easily call a person 3-4 times a month and I hardly know their last names let alone conspire with them.
If that is harder,I expected stronger evidence such as recorded transcripts of meetings,recorded phone calls etc.
As it stands now its all very blurry.
I personally can even reason this is chadema's inside job to deflect attention from Dr.Slaa CCM card debacle,or this is CCM grand plan to inflict lack of trust to already established political parties,they did it with NCCR,they must fancy their chances with CDM.

Cross eximining the allegations,I don't see anything worthy in the allegations in such,conspire to weaken the top leaders,conspire to implant rebellion on Arusha legislators,conspire this,conspire that.even Obama was attacking Clinton at one point,yet they are working together.its called politics goddam it!!
I expect chadema to have polarity among its top leaders,uts perfectly normal.
Take a look at the republican party,they had Romney,Gingrich,and others fighting for same position,they had their camps,they had rhetorics against one another,but once Romney was chosen,Gingrich was not a traitor.

Ben,mamuya and yericko, U come out as fairly naive and utterly useless young men who thinks politics is all there is to it.
Mr.kikwete said it best. "ni upepo tu,utapita"

I can confidently say,it will be very tough for someone like Ben to seek for election anywhere where people value integrity and honest.as the saying goes,
The only currency that matters in politics is trust.
You don't come out as trustworthy at all,and I can see you trying to paint mr.Zjtto in that light.
I ask myself why so?why now?

Don't come out lashing out at me as Zitto supporter,am simply a third party observer,and I would probably have the same words at zitto should he have been the one who started all this.......

Clear cut eveidences mbona wameshasema wanazo mkuu? watazitoa kwa wakti na mahal muafaka. kwani ww unataka wazitoe sasa hivi hapa JF au unatakaje hasa?

Wamesha-allege na wakaomba waitwe kwenye vikao wakadhibitishe...sasa c tusubiri waitwe kwanza!!? hizi rasha rasha walizo rashia hapa JF ilikuwa ni lazima zitupiwe kwanza huku public ili umma(wenye chama)

Nao wakae wakijua kuna tatizo linahitaji kushughulikiwa, na pia watu wajue nini ni nini na nan ni nan. sasa tunachongojea ni uthibitisho ambao watuhumu wamesema wanao.

kama watuhumu watakuwa hawana huo ushahidi ni waz zitto ataibuka na nguvu kubwa zaidi ya alizokuwa nazo miaka ile ya 2005-2008.

La kama ushahid ukidhihiri ni waz ghalula lazima abebe gharama za usalit. huwezi salit halaf eti ubaki tu salama kisa wewe ni kiongozi. ama usisalit ili ubak salama au saliti ili usibak salama.....yah.. you cant have your cake and eat it...NARUDIA TENA, for now the chap remains guilty until proved innocent.

 

[WA-UKENYENGE]

Halafu kuna mtu anasema Chadema hakuna makundi......

Hii imekaa poa sana, mi ni CDM damu damu lakini kwa haya nahisi bado kuna mengi yamejificha!! Cha msingi tunakoelekea ni patamu sana, tutapata kile tunachokiita, "KUJIFUNZA".

Nchi imejaa maajabu kila kona hakuna nafuu. Cha msingi ni kupata vyama vyenye nguvu vyenye kuwa na sera mbadala. Lakini la mhimu ni nchi kwanza.

 

[Bayana]

Halafu kuna mtu anasema Chadema hakuna makundi.

CHADEMA kuna makundi kwa uchache kama manne hivi:

1) Waanzilishi na wakuja - Mbowe and the like ambao wanahisi wanahitaji power monopoly.

Ukitaka kujua hili, jaribu kuweka safu ya uongozi halafu asiwepo Mbowe, DR Slaa.

2) Wenye mawazo ya kikanda na mawazo ya kitaifa:

Hawa hajioneshi hadharani ila iko siku Memorandum of understanding waliyosainishani itakuja kuwekwa wazi wakikorofishana.

3) Makundi ya wagombea urais: ZZK, D.W.S.

4) Wasakatonge na wenye dhamira ya dhati ya ukombozi: Ben, Yericko, Mamuya et al (Wasakatonge) na wasamaria.

Kinara wa haya makundi ni DR, W. Slaa, time will tell nani yuko nyuma ya hawa jamaa Ben and the team. DR Slaa jana alikuwa anafuatilia hii thread, he did not say a word. What a leader and what a shame? Predident of TZ? Hapana, hafai, hafai, hafai.

 

[moshdar]

Kelele zoote za nini kama video ipo weka msiwapotezee watu muda kujadili upompompo, sio kutishiana tishiana tu kama watoto vinginevyo itabakia kuwa u..........

we will cross the bridge when we come to it.....jamaa wameshasema wanao ushahid, ni waz lazima wanawajibika kuutoa, lakn lin, wap na kwanan, si wewe wa kuamua. ni umma kupitia viongozi. mm na wewe tutulie tusubiri. na jamaa wasipoutoa huo ushahid tutawageuzia kibao wao. mpaka sasa tangu sakata hili lianze ni jambo moja tu ndilo limeshadhihirika kwa uhakika bila shaka yoyote....kuwa zitto ni ghalula...hilo halina mjadala so for coz yeye mwenyewe ndo kasema kuwa ni mzee wa kuserereka kwa mata.o kinyumenyume...mengine tusubiri...ni allegation tu so far which is, by the way, a stage towards kuthibitisha. hizi hisia za wengi kuwa pengine kuna ukwel flan katika hili ni kutoka na aina ya mienendo ya zitto ya siku za karibuni ambao umekuwa na question marks nyingi.

pamoja na kuwa hizi bado ni allegations bado kuna ukwel ambao at this point lazima pia tuuzingatie kwa makini....kuwa, kwa mtu wa calibre ya zitto, hata ile kutuhumiwa tu au kuhisiwa kushiriki puuzi za kiwango hiki, nayo pia ni problem kubwa sana hata kama it does not necessarly imply kwamba ameshiriki. tusubiri ushahid.. T will T.

 

[Yo Yo]

kama namuona[MENTION] Kitila Mkumbo[/MENTION] akirudi nyuma nyuma kwa sangoma bwahahahaha jamani rahaaa

 

[Msambaa mkweli]

Kinachoonekana wasaliti wote ni kundi moja na wanafahamiana vizuri sana, walichofanya ni kugawana makundi 3, Wapo wa Ben, Wapo wa Zitto na Wapo wanaosubiri upande wa maamuzi ya vikao. Hivyo kundi lolote litakalo shinda iwe Opposer, Supporter na Neutral group bado wasaliti watakuwepo. Dr Slaa na Kamanda Mbowe tunawatengemea kufanya maamuzi sahihi.

 

[Chintu]

Sijui kwanini huwa "simwamini" Zitto!

...kwa sababu Mungu yupo upande wako.

 

[FUSO]

wakuu, mwili umesisimka -- mungu wangu...

 

[moshdar]

CHADEMA kuna makundi kwa uchache kama manne hivi:

1) Waanzilishi na wakuja - Mbowe and the like ambao wanahisi wanahitaji power monopoly.

Ukitaka kujua hili, jaribu kuweka safu ya uongozi halafu asiwepo Mbowe, DR Slaa.

2) Wenye mawazo ya kikanda na mawazo ya kitaifa:

Hawa hajioneshi hadharani ila iko siku Memorandum of understanding waliyosainishani itakuja kuwekwa wazi wakikorofishana.

3) Makundi ya wagombea urais: ZZK, D.W.S.

4) Wasakatonge na wenye dhamira ya dhati ya ukombozi: Ben, Yericko, Mamuya et al (Wasakatonge) na wasamaria.

Kinara wa haya makundi ni DR, W. Slaa, time will tell nani yuko nyuma ya hawa jamaa Ben and the team. DR Slaa jana alikuwa anafuatilia hii thread, he did not say a word. What a leader and what a shame? Predident of TZ? Hapana, hafai, hafai, hafai.

hapo red, hivyo ndivyo walivyo great leaders wote, wanasikiliza kwanza, wanaachia wengine wote wazungumze kwanza, wanachukua mawazo yao wote kisha they talk(summarize and chart out the way forward) last...kasome A long Walk to Freedom by mzee Madiba utajua what I mean here. mlitaka Slaa azungumze/aandike harakaharaka kama huyo ghalula alivyofanya kukimbilia kuandika eti yeye ni mchawi? sasa kama yeye ni mchawi so what???

 

[fergusonema]

Wana JF,

Bahati mbaya nimekuja wakati mjadala ukiwa tayari umefungwa na sikuweza kupata fursa ya kujibu baadhi ya hoja ambazo kimsingi zilikuwa zinatakiwa kupewa majibu. Mwanzoni sikutaka kushiriki kabisa mjadala huu lakini baada ya Mhe. Zitto kushiriki imenilazimu walau niseme machache.

Katika thread hiyo - https://www.jamiiforums.com/jukwaa-la-siasa/370013-huyo-ndiye-ben-saanane-na-majibu-ya-zitto.html Mhe. Zitto aliandika hivi:



Ndugu Zitto na Wanabodi,

Kama nilivyosema awali, sikutaka kuchangia mjadala huo tangu jana kwakuwa niliamini mambo nyeti yaliyopo yataelekezwa kwenye vikao ndani ya Chama.

Ingawa hawezi kuwa sahihi kwa asilimia 100 kwa alichoandika, lakini Exaud Mamuya amekuwa na haraka kidogo kutokana na kushindwa kuvumilia yeye alichoona kama ‘uchafu na hujuma’ vinayoendelea dhidi ya CHADEMA na viongozi wake.

Katika kundi hili alilolitaja Mamuya karibia wote tumeshakaa nao na mara ya kwanza Mamuya alishtuka sana aliposikia kilichokuwa kikijadiliwa kwenye kundi hilo. Pamoja na kushtuka lakini hakushangazwa sana maana hata kwenye sakata la madiwani wa Arusha anajua jinsi Mhe. Zitto alivyohusika na kumuahidi kwamba utamuunga mkono. Tulipotoka kwenye kikao kile alisononeka sana na aliniuliza mambo mengi sana kuhusu kundi hili na mengine nilipanga kuyasema ndani ya vikao hasa yale mambo ambayo ni very very sensitive.

Sasa kwa sababu kiongozi wangu Zitto Kabwe ameibuka na kujaribu kukanusha na kupotosha imebidi nije niweke sawa upotoshaji huu japo kwa kifupi:

Ndugu Zitto,

Mosi:
Sishangazwi na kauli yako kwamba hunifahamu. Ni muendelezo wa siasa zile zile za kutosimamia ukweli na kuendekeza siasa za uongo na upotoshaji. Nimemkumbuka Mwanasiasa Mzee Stephen Wassira (Aliyekitabiria CHADEMA kwamba kitasambaratika) aliposimama na kumkana Mwanafamilia wake mbele ya vyombo vya habari kwa sababu ya siasa na katika mkakati wa kuendeleza ghiliba. Kama mwanasiasa wa Tanzania anaweza kumkana hata mwanafamilia au kusema chochote hakuna la kushangaza.

Sasa, kwa kuwa ushahidi ninao wa jinsi tunavyofahamina na jinsi tulivyoshirikiana kuwashughulikia viongozi wa juu wa chama pamoja na uhusika wetu katika hujuma dhidi ya chama nitaomba chama changu sasa kiitishe kikao cha dharura ili nimwage mambo yote nyeti na ushahidi nilio nao ndani ya vikao. Naamini katika vikao kwa kuwa napenda kuona CHADEMA kikikua kama Taasisi imara ya mabadiliko.

Jana nilimwambia Dr. Kitila haya mambo baada ya wewe kuongea nae na kunitaka mimi niingie JF nikanushe thread hii iliyoanzishwa na Mamuya. Kumbe shinikizo lote ulitaka nikusafishe tu, kitu ambacho sikuwa tayari kufanya. Ushahidi nianao pia! Ulipoona imeshindikana mimi kumkana Exaud Mamuya, wewe ukaamua kuja huku kuja kunikana. Hizo rhetorics unazotumia katika dhana ya kujenga ukabila kwa kufanya ulinganisho wa Mamuya na Ben Saanane ni muendelezo wa propaganda chafu dhidi ya chama ambazo mimi na wewe tulikuwa tukizitumia kuhalalisha kazi yetu hii ambayo kimsingi niliamua kuachana nayo na sikuwa tayari kuendelea kuishiriki.

Pili:

Nigusie kidogo hizi tuhuma za ‘kuuana na kuchinjana’. Tafadhali sana naomba uwe mkweli na usimamie kauli yako ya ‘siasa za ukweli na uwazi’. Hizi siasa za uzandiki hazitufikishi popote. Hizi ni tuhuma ambazo zimekuwa zikisambazwa na kundi la akina ‘TUNTEMEKE’ ambao sote tunawajua yaani mimi na wewe. Hawa tumefanya nao kazi kubwa tangu uchaguzi wa BAVICHA. Madai haya yamekua yakitolewa na Habibu Mchange na Mtela Mwampamba wakishirikiana na Gwakisa baada ya kuona mimi sitaki kushiriki hujuma kwa chama changu.

Wamekuwa wakiandika haya hapa JamiiForums kwamba nimetumwa kukuua. Wamekuwa wakiandika walinikamata na sumu ya kutaka kukuua wewe. Leo unaleta mambo haya hapa! Pia wamekuwa wakinipigia na kunitumia message za kunituhumu kwa haya na kunitisha. Hii ni 'pre-emptive attack'.

Mmekuwa frustrated baada ya kuona jitihada zenu za kunitumia kufikia malengo yenu kwa kutumia mwanya mlioupata baada ya mimi kutoridhishwa na mchakato ule wa BAVICHA zinagonga mwamba. Chama hiki watu wamekifia. Kama kuna damu yako hata mimi na wengine tuna damu yetu hapo pia!

Kazi hii ya kuzusha tuhuma kwa mtu ambaye tunaona anatuvurugia malengo yetu tuliifanya sana na ninaijua kaka! Mmesahau tumekuwa tukifanya jitihada za kumtenganisha mwenyekiti na Katibu mkuu kwanza ili tuweze kuwashinda kwa pamoja? Hili unalijua moyoni mwako . Sasa naomba kama hutanithibitishia tuhuma hizi nitaomba kwa kuwa wewe ni kiongozi wa chama kikao kiitishwe na nitamwaga yote huko. Kama hutafanya hivyo, mimi nitaandika Barua kwa katibu mkuu ili uje unithibitishie tuhuma hizi pamoja na kundi zima la ‘Masalia’. Sitaogopa chochote na nipo tayari kwa lolote kwa kuusema ukweli. Sikutaka kujibu thread hii lakini tuhuma za kutaka kuuana ni serious allegations kwa kuwa zinahusu maisha ya mtu. Kuliko nifanye siasa za aina hii, ni bora niache siasa kaka.

Pia, vitisho vya kuaga kwenu havinihusu na wala havinitishi. Siamini kama ushirikina una nguvu kwangu na hilo unalijua na kundi lote la masalia linajua ndiyo maana ilishindikana mimi kwenda kula viapo kwa mganga wa kienyeji na unakumbuka vizuri! (Ati kula kiapo kwa kundi la masalia ili tusisalitiane katika kazi ya kukihujuma chama chetu). Afadhali Juliana Shonza na rafiki yangu Emmanuel Mwakajila waliniunga mkono katika kukataa hili. Ninaye Mungu anayenipigania na sitaogopa vitisho vyovyote. Mnanifahamu kwa hili, I dare you to challenge me! Twende kwenye vikao.

Mwisho:

WanaJF,
Mambo mengi sitaweza kuyaweka hapa kwa kuwa ni nyeti sana, nitasubiri vikikao ndani ya chama ili kikao kiitishwe nimwage huko. Nadhani safari hii tutakomesha tabia hii chafu ya baadhi ya wanasiasa kujaribu kuwatumia vijana kwa maslahi binafsi. Naamini itakuwa ni kikomo cha siasa za uzandiki na uongo ndani ya vyama vyetu vya siasa.

Wale wanaosema mimi ni mtu wa kutumika, nitapata fursa ya kuwathibitishia hayo. Sinunuliki na sina price tag. Wanaosema haya, ukweli wanaujua moyoni. Ninajiamini kwa kuwa nina taaluma yangu na miradi yangu na sinunuliki labda bei yangu ni Ukweli ambao nipo tayari pia kuulipia in return kwa gharama ya damu yangu.

Brave people, given the opportunity and even under any oppression or threat to life, stay and defend their comrade in arms and their entity....not run away and abandon it....unless something hinders their dignity and pride. Wanamapinduzi wote hufanya haya!

Nyongeza ya Mamuya:

Zitto niko nyuma yako na nitakusuport mpaka mwisho,najua hawa wanatumika kukuchafua ila ukweli utadhihirika mbele kaka