Immigration office and law

[Issues1000]

1. Constant trips since 2008 ;in and out of Tanzania,Last entrance was January 2013, on a normal tourist visa.The main reason was death in family of my husband and important matters to settle.The initail expity date was April 13th,It was extended to May after a request when the baby was born.A month was not sufficient.Are revist extended a further two months until July.
As soon as the baby was born on the 30 march 2013 ,the first registration attempt was made.The officer said it was not possible as they awaited data from Bagamoyo Hospital and it would be possible onlyy in July.There was another attempt close to my visa expiry and to no avail.We applied in July and were given a retun to collect date in August.The baby's passport form was thus incomplete without a birth certificate.There was another plea at immigration for an extension due to this and it was refused.I cannot travel without the baby.The baby needs a passport.My husband lives with me but is currently away on a tour guide project at national parks in Tanzania.He assisted with crossing the border for an extension until October.The birth certificate was processed on Monday and the passport forms have been delivered for finalities.Temporarily resolved until I secure a dependant pass.I do however think that there needs to be a re-evaluation on dealing with each case independantly.The matter was definately a violation of rights. Seperating a newborn from his mum is not justified

 

[Wacha1]

1. Constant trips since 2008 ;in and out of Tanzania,Last entrance was January 2013, on a normal tourist visa.The main reason was death in family of my husband and important matters to settle.The initail expity date was April 13th,It was extended to May after a request when the baby was born.A month was not sufficient.Are revist extended a further two months until July.
As soon as the baby was born on the 30 march 2013 ,the first registration attempt was made.The officer said it was not possible as they awaited data from Bagamoyo Hospital and it would be possible onlyy in July.There was another attempt close to my visa expiry and to no avail.We applied in July and were given a retun to collect date in August.The baby's passport form was thus incomplete without a birth certificate.There was another plea at immigration for an extension due to this and it was refused.I cannot travel without the baby.The baby needs a passport.My husband lives with me but is currently away on a tour guide project at national parks in Tanzania.He assisted with crossing the border for an extension until October.The birth certificate was processed on Monday and the passport forms have been delivered for finalities.Temporarily resolved until I secure a dependant pass.I do however think that there needs to be a re-evaluation on dealing with each case independantly.The matter was definately a violation of rights. Seperating a newborn from his mum is not justified

So, by right since 2008 you were visiting Tanzania as a tourist with South African passport. As a member of commonwealth, you were given 6 months maximum as per requirement. Your son is approximately four months old, … …. Why didn’t you include your son in either your father’s passport or yours? It’s easy to do that via your embassy (read requirement to be helped outside your country by your embassy) as your visa is running out. Alternatively you should have all required papers to satisfy officials that your case is genuine. In this case it seems you do not have genuine papers for your son.

I do not believe that your case is urgent because your husband is somewhere else and you can’t satisfy the Immigration officials with proper documentation. In actual fact our immigration officials have been lenient to you, you have been dilly dallying for quite some time, and they should have deported you as soon as possible. Your issue does not have any business to do with human rights as you can travel with your baby without any problem. (Get temporary documentation from SA embassy).

Another issue - when you enter a foreign country as a tourist you should have enough money to cater for yourself and any eventualities. How much money did you declare when you entered? It seems your husband does not really care about the wellbeing of his family and hence the Immigration does not believe whatever you say.

 

[EMT]

1. Constant trips since 2008 ;in and out of Tanzania,Last entrance was January 2013, on a normal tourist visa.The main reason was death in family of my husband and important matters to settle.The initail expity date was April 13th,It was extended to May after a request when the baby was born.A month was not sufficient.Are revist extended a further two months until July.
As soon as the baby was born on the 30 march 2013 ,the first registration attempt was made.The officer said it was not possible as they awaited data from Bagamoyo Hospital and it would be possible onlyy in July.There was another attempt close to my visa expiry and to no avail.We applied in July and were given a retun to collect date in August.The baby's passport form was thus incomplete without a birth certificate.There was another plea at immigration for an extension due to this and it was refused.I cannot travel without the baby.The baby needs a passport.My husband lives with me but is currently away on a tour guide project at national parks in Tanzania.He assisted with crossing the border for an extension until October.The birth certificate was processed on Monday and the passport forms have been delivered for finalities.Temporarily resolved until I secure a dependant pass.I do however think that there needs to be a re-evaluation on dealing with each case independantly.The matter was definately a violation of rights. Seperating a newborn from his mum is not justified

Thank you for your response. I am sorry to read the death in the family of your husband.

Good to read that the problem has been temporarily resolved and your husband has helped to extend your visa until until October. I hope it will finally be resolved once you receive your baby's passport as well as your dependant visa.

I do agree with you that each case should be determined based on its own circumstances. The fact that your visa was expiring and you were medically advised by doctors that you cannot travel at that particular time, then these should have been taken into account by the immigration officials in deciding your case.

However, this will depend on the discretion they have, though I still think they could have decided on exceptional circumstances, provided that you furnished them with those circumstances.

Our bureaucratic system should also be noted. This could also have happened in a very straightforward case. I am not condoning it, but when it comes to dealing with our immigration system we have a problem not only for foreigners, but also for Tanzanians.

Regarding whether it was a definitely violation of human rights, well it is unjustifiable to separate a new born baby from his/her mother. However, I can't see how they could have deported you without your new born baby.

On the other hand, it appears that since 2008 you have been in and out of Tanzania through a tourist visa. It also appears that your tourist visa has been extended from time to time.

If you don't mind, may be I should ask you when and where did you marry your husband?

After marrying your husband, why you didn't apply for a dependant visa at the earliest possible time?

I think a dependent visa would have helped you to avoid some of the immigration problems you're currently facing.

Is there a particular reason why you didn't apply for a dependant visa?

You also said that your last entrance was in January 2013 on a normal tourist visa, the reasons for your visit being a death in the family of your husband and to settle important matters. Can you clarify on these important matters?

 

[kahtaan]

I am Muslim, I do not fast, and I haven't fasted for more than 10 years now and have no intention of doing so now or in the future. (Please save me the lecture!) Besides, having a full stomach is not a prerequisite of thinking straight, having common sense or running a country wisely, otherwise Tanzania would be like Switzerland by now!

I must admit Tokyo40 you are very good when it comes to manipulating and moving things in zigzag way!
You are accusing the poor lady of not making any sense in her claims!
By saying her english is not up to " your standards!
Now ! You jump into my throat and saying things out of this thread!
Telling me that. U r a muslim bla bla bla ...!
What is that got to do with corruptions in Tanzania!?

Or to do with bureaucracy in the country!!

When did I mention that because I'm fasting "I dont think straight? !
I was only joking by say" r u fasting!! Thats all!!

YOU CLAIM TO BE A TZ CITIZEN (born and raised) at the same time PAYING $200 FOR RESIDENCE PERMIT!!

You dont pay to live in your own country mr!!
Your arrogance does not reflect your claims at all!

Your comment and accusations towards Issues1000 make very clear to me and other fellow Tanzanian that YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US!

Look for yourself! Other Tanzanian who join in to try to help this lady! For example EMT and Wacha1

Most of them do understand her and her problems! And humble towards her!,
Its only YOU who seems to be Different! !

Tanzanian are NOT hard hearted like you!. Mr lying so called muslim Tokyo40

Poor lady is crying for help and you are firing non stop accusations!

Regardless our differences we are humble people!
We dont jump into conclusions!

We do choose what to say when it comes to someone who is in difficulties!
So dont come here and make all Tanzanian look bad!

You sound like HUTUS from Rwanda!

YOU ARE NOT EVEN A MUSLIM!! AND IF YOU ARE.!! THEN YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR FAITH FOR SERVICE BEFORE IT EXPIRES!

So why dont you get a life and join Hutus Forum (if there is any!!)

And live Issues1000 alone!

Hey mrs Issues1000 ,
That Tokyo40 he is Not one of us!

As you have noticed yourself.
He said that He paid $200 for his permit.!! To live in Tanzania!!

Just ignore that HUTTU/CHINESE/Jap etc etc!
And listen to good people frm Our beautiful BONGO LAND!

And mr Tokyo40 you have to forgive me
But thats the only way I could think of you!

But I AM FASTING AND I DONT WANT TO SPOIL MY FAST!

NO HARD FEELINGS PAL!
And if I say something which is not true!
I do apologise again!

 

[Tokyo40]

Kahtaan, Asalaam Aleikum, Kuna kitu kimoja muhimu kinaitwa "uhuru". Katika kila demokrasia kuna haki hiyo ambayo kila binadamu anayo na serikali yake na vyombo vyake lazima viheshimu. Wewe uliniuliza kama kwa sababu ya thaumu yangu labda sifikirii vizuri kiakili kutoa majibu hapa. Labda ulikuwa unatania kabla ya hata kuniuliza kama mimi ni muislamu. Nikakujibu kuwa mimi ni mwislamu lakini sifungi. Hii ni sababu yangu binafsi ni silazimiki kukueleza kwa nini sifungi. Hii ni baina yangu na Mola wangu, sio wewe. Kama umekasirika kwa sababu ya majibu yangu basi utalazimika kuheshimu majibu yangu kama ninavyoheshimu majibu na maoni yako hapa. Kwangu mimi sio muhimu kama unaniona mimi ni Mhutu au Mkongo au Mchina, mimi sikujui an wewe hunijui wala hunilishi. Tumekutana hapa kwa sababu ya huyu dada anataka msaada, sijui kama amekuja hapa kutafuta msaada au kulaani utamaduni wa kutoa chochote ili upewe haki yako Tanzania. Na ni maoni yangu binafsi kuwa sidhani ni raia wa Afrika Kusini kwa sababu ubalozi wao unatoa dokumenti zote pamoja na kuandikishwa ili aweze kuondoka nchini na mama yake. Kwa mfano, Mmarekani akizaa Tanzania, sio lazima awe na cheti cha kuzaliwa cha Tanzania, anajiandikisha ubalozini kwao na mtoto anapewa pasi ya Marekani au dokumenti ya kumwezesha kusafiri papo hapo. Na kama ukisoma hapo juu alielezwa pia kuwa ubalozi wake unaweza kufanya hivyo, ila yeye anataka serikali yetu impe cheti cha kuzaliwa haraka iwezekanavyo na kama ana haraka kwa nini asichukue kutoka ubalozi wao badala ya kulia kuwa ananyimwa haki yake. Mumewe ni raia wa Tanzania na tatizo linalokuja ni kuwa hawana uwezo wa kumpatia resident permit. Tatizo ni kuwa hawana fedha! Kama umenisoma vizuri nilishasema kuwa mke wangu na mtoto wangu sio raia wa Tanzania na niliweza wakati huo kuwalipia kila mmoja permit ya dola mia mbili kabla hawajapandisha bei. Labda pengine hukupendezewa na majibu yangu, lakini hii ndio raha ya demokrasia, kusema unavyotaka na kujibu unavyotaka hapa bila ya kutukana. Ni sababu yangu binafsi iliyolenga kuwa pengine huyu dada hata sio raia wa Afrika Kusini na hata kama nimekosea, sio kosa la jinai, nilisema kutokana na yeye kutojua kiingereza vizuri na kuandika vitu ambavyo anayejua kiingereza hawezi kuandika hivyo au kutojua kuwa ubalozi wake unaweza kumsaidia kama kweli ni raia wao. Hata wewe mwenyewe kiingereza kinakupiga chenga ndio maana unasema "born and BREAD" badala ya "born and bred" na kadhalika lakini nimezoea kusoma watu wanaoandika kiingereza kibovu hapa, ni kutokana na elimu yetu duni. Na hueleweki unaposema kuwa hutaki kuharatisha thaumu yako wakati umetumia muda wako wote kunitukana na kuniita Mhutu na Mchina na kadhalika wakati hunijui. Hii ni haki yako, na nimeamua kuandika kwa Kiswahili ili huu ujumbe uuelewe vizuri, na hata kama huniamini kuwa mimi ni mzaliwa wa Tanzania na raia wa Tanzania, kwangu mimi sio muhimu sana. Watu muhimu katika maisha yangu ni familia yangu na marafiki zangu sio waandishi wa maoni hapa.

 

[georgeallen]

Kahtaan, Asalaam Aleikum, Kuna kitu kimoja muhimu kinaitwa "uhuru". Katika kila demokrasia kuna haki hiyo ambayo kila binadamu anayo na serikali yake na vyombo vyake lazima viheshimu. Wewe uliniuliza kama kwa sababu ya thaumu yangu labda sifikirii vizuri kiakili kutoa majibu hapa. Labda ulikuwa unatania kabla ya hata kuniuliza kama mimi ni muislamu. Nikakujibu kuwa mimi ni mwislamu lakini sifungi. Hii ni sababu yangu binafsi ni silazimiki kukueleza kwa nini sifungi. Hii ni baina yangu na Mola wangu, sio wewe. Kama umekasirika kwa sababu ya majibu yangu basi utalazimika kuheshimu majibu yangu kama ninavyoheshimu majibu na maoni yako hapa. Kwangu mimi sio muhimu kama unaniona mimi ni Mhutu au Mkongo au Mchina, mimi sikujui an wewe hunijui wala hunilishi. Tumekutana hapa kwa sababu ya huyu dada anataka msaada, sijui kama amekuja hapa kutafuta msaada au kulaani utamaduni wa kutoa chochote ili upewe haki yako Tanzania. Na ni maoni yangu binafsi kuwa sidhani ni raia wa Afrika Kusini kwa sababu ubalozi wao unatoa dokumenti zote pamoja na kuandikishwa ili aweze kuondoka nchini na mama yake. Kwa mfano, Mmarekani akizaa Tanzania, sio lazima awe na cheti cha kuzaliwa cha Tanzania, anajiandikisha ubalozini kwao na mtoto anapewa pasi ya Marekani au dokumenti ya kumwezesha kusafiri papo hapo. Na kama ukisoma hapo juu alielezwa pia kuwa ubalozi wake unaweza kufanya hivyo, ila yeye anataka serikali yetu impe cheti cha kuzaliwa haraka iwezekanavyo na kama ana haraka kwa nini asichukue kutoka ubalozi wao badala ya kulia kuwa ananyimwa haki yake. Mumewe ni raia wa Tanzania na tatizo linalokuja ni kuwa hawana uwezo wa kumpatia resident permit. Tatizo ni kuwa hawana fedha! Kama umenisoma vizuri nilishasema kuwa mke wangu na mtoto wangu sio raia wa Tanzania na niliweza wakati huo kuwalipia kila mmoja permit ya dola mia mbili kabla hawajapandisha bei. Labda pengine hukupendezewa na majibu yangu, lakini hii ndio raha ya demokrasia, kusema unavyotaka na kujibu unavyotaka hapa bila ya kutukana. Ni sababu yangu binafsi iliyolenga kuwa pengine huyu dada hata sio raia wa Afrika Kusini na hata kama nimekosea, sio kosa la jinai, nilisema kutokana na yeye kutojua kiingereza vizuri na kuandika vitu ambavyo anayejua kiingereza hawezi kuandika hivyo au kutojua kuwa ubalozi wake unaweza kumsaidia kama kweli ni raia wao. Hata wewe mwenyewe kiingereza kinakupiga chenga ndio maana unasema "born and BREAD" badala ya "born and bred" na kadhalika lakini nimezoea kusoma watu wanaoandika kiingereza kibovu hapa, ni kutokana na elimu yetu duni. Na hueleweki unaposema kuwa hutaki kuharatisha thaumu yako wakati umetumia muda wako wote kunitukana na kuniita Mhutu na Mchina na kadhalika wakati hunijui. Hii ni haki yako, na nimeamua kuandika kwa Kiswahili ili huu ujumbe uuelewe vizuri, na hata kama huniamini kuwa mimi ni mzaliwa wa Tanzania na raia wa Tanzania, kwangu mimi sio muhimu sana. Watu muhimu katika maisha yangu ni familia yangu na marafiki zangu sio waandishi wa maoni hapa.

HEBU TUWEKE SAWA KWA HILI: "YOU CLAIM TO BE A TZ CITIZEN (born and raised) at the same time PAYING $200 FOR RESIDENCE PERMIT!!

 

[Tokyo40]

How many times should I address this issue about paying for the permit???? Please READ before you ask a question. Labda niandike kwa Kiswahili, utanielewa vizuri. NIMELIPA $200 (wakati huo) KWA NIABA YA MKE NA MTOTO. Labda ningesema NILIWALIPIA mke na motto. How many times should I clarify it???? Labhna unataka nikuonyeshe pasi yangu???? You make it sound like it's sooooooooooooooooooo difficult or it's too special to obtain Tanzanian citizenship. Mimi nimezaliwa Dar es Salaam na ni raia wa Tanzania. Kama unataka kuamini amini, kama hutaki, usiamini. Whichever way, I will not lose sleep over it. The level of intelligence on some people here is amazing. Yaani, utafikiri kwamba pasi zetu ni dhahabu. Mmarekani mwenyewe anauza pasi yake kama una $500,000 itakuwa sisi masikini. Nategemea hii itakuwa mara ya mwisho kuulizwa swala hili.

 

[kahtaan]

Kahtaan, Asalaam Aleikum, Kuna kitu kimoja muhimu kinaitwa "uhuru". Katika kila demokrasia kuna haki hiyo ambayo kila binadamu anayo na serikali yake na vyombo vyake lazima viheshimu. Wewe uliniuliza kama kwa sababu ya thaumu yangu labda sifikirii vizuri kiakili kutoa majibu hapa. Labda ulikuwa unatania kabla ya hata kuniuliza kama mimi ni muislamu. Nikakujibu kuwa mimi ni mwislamu lakini sifungi. Hii ni sababu yangu binafsi ni silazimiki kukueleza kwa nini sifungi. Hii ni baina yangu na Mola wangu, sio wewe. Kama umekasirika kwa sababu ya majibu yangu basi utalazimika kuheshimu majibu yangu kama ninavyoheshimu majibu na maoni yako hapa. Kwangu mimi sio muhimu kama unaniona mimi ni Mhutu au Mkongo au Mchina, mimi sikujui an wewe hunijui wala hunilishi. Tumekutana hapa kwa sababu ya huyu dada anataka msaada, sijui kama amekuja hapa kutafuta msaada au kulaani utamaduni wa kutoa chochote ili upewe haki yako Tanzania. Na ni maoni yangu binafsi kuwa sidhani ni raia wa Afrika Kusini kwa sababu ubalozi wao unatoa dokumenti zote pamoja na kuandikishwa ili aweze kuondoka nchini na mama yake. Kwa mfano, Mmarekani akizaa Tanzania, sio lazima awe na cheti cha kuzaliwa cha Tanzania, anajiandikisha ubalozini kwao na mtoto anapewa pasi ya Marekani au dokumenti ya kumwezesha kusafiri papo hapo. Na kama ukisoma hapo juu alielezwa pia kuwa ubalozi wake unaweza kufanya hivyo, ila yeye anataka serikali yetu impe cheti cha kuzaliwa haraka iwezekanavyo na kama ana haraka kwa nini asichukue kutoka ubalozi wao badala ya kulia kuwa ananyimwa haki yake. Mumewe ni raia wa Tanzania na tatizo linalokuja ni kuwa hawana uwezo wa kumpatia resident permit. Tatizo ni kuwa hawana fedha! Kama umenisoma vizuri nilishasema kuwa mke wangu na mtoto wangu sio raia wa Tanzania na niliweza wakati huo kuwalipia kila mmoja permit ya dola mia mbili kabla hawajapandisha bei. Labda pengine hukupendezewa na majibu yangu, lakini hii ndio raha ya demokrasia, kusema unavyotaka na kujibu unavyotaka hapa bila ya kutukana. Ni sababu yangu binafsi iliyolenga kuwa pengine huyu dada hata sio raia wa Afrika Kusini na hata kama nimekosea, sio kosa la jinai, nilisema kutokana na yeye kutojua kiingereza vizuri na kuandika vitu ambavyo anayejua kiingereza hawezi kuandika hivyo au kutojua kuwa ubalozi wake unaweza kumsaidia kama kweli ni raia wao. Hata wewe mwenyewe kiingereza kinakupiga chenga ndio maana unasema "born and BREAD" badala ya "born and bred" na kadhalika lakini nimezoea kusoma watu wanaoandika kiingereza kibovu hapa, ni kutokana na elimu yetu duni. Na hueleweki unaposema kuwa hutaki kuharatisha thaumu yako wakati umetumia muda wako wote kunitukana na kuniita Mhutu na Mchina na kadhalika wakati hunijui. Hii ni haki yako, na nimeamua kuandika kwa Kiswahili ili huu ujumbe uuelewe vizuri, na hata kama huniamini kuwa mimi ni mzaliwa wa Tanzania na raia wa Tanzania, kwangu mimi sio muhimu sana. Watu muhimu katika maisha yangu ni familia yangu na marafiki zangu sio waandishi wa maoni hapa.

Tokyo40 waalaikum salaam!
Nilikuwa nategemea maneno ya namna hii toka mwanzo. Na sio maneno ya kumchambua chambua mtu na kuonyesha udhaifu wake wakati yy analia shida!

Kukuita muhutu na mchina sio matusi ila ni kushabihisha maneno yako na mataifa hayo!
Na kuhusu mjadala huu. Kama umekubali kuwa kuna uhuru wa kuongea basi wewe huna haja ya kumvamia huyu dada kwa kupinga vikali rushw iliyo kithiri hapo Tanzania!
Na kuhusu wewe kujua zaidi kiingereza, unajisahau na kurudia kauli ulizo mpa yule dada kuhusu kiingereza chake,
Spelling mistakes anafanya hata muingereza aliyekuwa "BON N BREAD"!!!!
Ndani ya uingereza!

Na hata kiswahili ambayo ni lugha yangu pia hukosea mara nyingi tu ninapo andika!

Hapa hatupo kuonyeshana ni kiasi gani una uhodari wa kuongea lugha ya wakoloni!
Na kujisifu kuwa mimi si mwenye kujua kama wewe kuhusu kiingereza huo tunauita ni "utumwa wa kiakili"

Nimekuta thread ya kiingereza na nimejaribu kuchangia kiasi Allah alivyo niwezesha.

Ndugu yangu ktk imani! Mungu amekataza kuonyeshana udhaifu wetu hasa km udhaifu huo unaelekea kumkashifu mtu!

Uliposema hufungi na hujafunga miaka 10 na hutegemei kufunga maisha yako yaliobaki! Kwa nilivyo elewa mimi ni kuwa Hii si kauli ya mgonjwa, bali ni aidha ya asiyekuwa muislamu au muislamu mwenye kiburi (utanisamehe kwa kukudhani vibaya).

Lkn narudia mara ya mwisho,
Shida si ya mti mmoja tu!
Huyu dada anaweza kuwa na kasoro zake za lugha na maelezo na n.k lkn huu uhuru wa kuongea haina maana sisi tuna uhuru wa kumshambulia na kumkaripia kwa kasoro zake!
Si ktk TABIA ZA KIISLAMU!
WALA ZA KITANZANIA!

Na la mwisho unasema muhimu ktk maisha yako ni familaia yako na wanao.
Waislamu imani yetu inatufundisha kuwa "wa kwanza ktk maisha yako anatakiwa awe ALLAH halafu Mtume wake MUHAMMAD,

Halafu ndio inafuata wazazi n.k,
HUO NDIO UISLAMU !, kaka

Fee amanillah.
Na kama wewe ni mgonjwa nakuombea Mungu akurudishie afya yako ili upate kufunga INSHA ALLAH.

 

[Issues1000]

I initially travelled to Tanzania since 2008 on another personal note after a major car accident and brain injury ,mainly just as a retreat to recover .The first time I requested an extension was for the delivery of the baby and another one after he was born as the extension was only a month.Way too soon to travel.We got married on the 12 03 2012 in South Africa where we initially met.We then returned to Tanzania in May and registered the marriage here. The reason for not prioritising the dependant pass is that travelling was constant for us.From August to December we were in South Africa and returned after messages of the family funeral.It was then decided to deliver the baby in Tanzania as the pregnancy was way too advanced to allow travelling .The baby arrived in March. The dependancy pass new fee law was only initiated last year and very few people are aware of it. The decision to settle in Tanzania came at a later stage after the father of my child secured a new projectopportunity.I meant to travel home and return.So the dependant pass application would be applied for on my return.The consequences of baby's travel documents and the refusal of an extension caused shambles.And even if they deported me with my new born,a Tanzanian by birth and genes,it would still be a human right violation.The picture headline would read baby son removed from father by forced regulation

 

[Ogah]

......Mkuu EMT ......na Mkuu Wacha1 ......heshima sana.....

.......si utani wakuu pamoja na elimu nyingine niliyoipata kutoka kwenu........pia nimecheka sana kutokana na majibizano kati ya watu wawili yaani Tokyo40 na kahtaan ......na hasa pale kwenye suala la kurekebishana lugha ya "Mama Elizabeth wa Pili" .......

 

[Ogah]

......... You can blame the bureaucracy but the money you spent to go abroad you should have used it to bribe the village worker in Bagamoyo to expedite the certificate! When you are in Rome,do as the Roman do, unless you are broke then you can blame the racists!

........tafadhalini wakuu......tupige vita rushwa.......ni mimi na wewe ndio tukaofanikisha vita dhidi ya uchafu huu uitwao rushwa.......

 

[kahtaan]

......Mkuu EMT ......na Mkuu Wacha1 ......heshima sana.....

.......si utani wakuu pamoja na elimu nyingine niliyoipata kutoka kwenu........pia nimecheka sana kutokana na majibizano kati ya watu wawili yaani Tokyo40 na kahtaan ......na hasa pale kwenye suala la kurekebishana lugha ya "M ama Elizabeth wa Pili" .......

Ogah Kucheka inaruhusiwa lkn kashfa ndio hatutaki!

We cheka kwa raha zako! 😀😀

Na malumbano kama haya ndio kazi ya hili jukwaa!
Ukipiga krosi lzm kuna mmoja atamalizia tu hata kwa kichwa!

Teh teh teh teh!

 

[Tokyo40]

Mheshimiwa Kahtaan, Salaam Aleikum! Nategemea umepata Daku ya Nguvu Jana na unaendelea na afya njema na thaumu yako.

Kwanza, nimefurahi kusoma Majibu yako hata Kwamba hayaniridhishi. Mimi nitafunga na wewe Kama wewe unafuata Sheria zote hizi za Kiislamu:
1. Kutotumia aina yote ya kinga dhidi ya Mimba, iwe kondom Au dawa kwa mke au mchumba Wako pamoja na kufunga kizazi.
2. Hupokei RIBA benki.
3. Unaishi chini ya Sharia law katika Maisha yako hivi sasa.
4. Hukai na kuzungumza na mwanamke au kutongoza mwanamke Kabla ya kumuoa.

Jambo ninalotaka kusema ni kuwa ni Vigumu Kuishi Karne ya 21 kutumia Sheria za Karne ya 15! Kufunga au kusali pekee haukufanyi wewe mwislamu zaidi yangu kwa kuwa sifungi.. Na kila nchi inavyooendelea na kutajirika basi Dini inazidi kuwa nyuma. Huwezi kukuta kwa mfano ulaya mwanamke yupo chini ya mumewe Kama mtumwa wake. Tabia hii ipo kwenye nchi masikini kwa kuwa wanawake wengi Hawana elimu na kutegemea kulishwa. Mwanamke na elimu Yake na pesa zake huwezi kumwendesha hata kidogo kinyume na Sheria za Dini zinazotaka afate amri ya mumewe! Kwa hivyo Kama mimi nitakwenda Motoni, nitakwenda. Nipo radhi na Maisha yangu ya dunia hii ya hapa na Kama nitaadhibiwa huko Motoni, basi Nipo tayari.
Niliposema familia na rafiki ni muhimu kuliko watoa maoni hapa nimemaanisha kuwa sitakasirika na hoja au Majibu yanayoandikwa na watu wa barabarani. Sio kuwa siwasaidii watu nisiowajua.
Swala la kiingereza, jibu lako ni la kawaida kwa wengi hapa. Watanzania ni wabishi sana. Mwonyeshe mkalimani wowote atakupa "D" Akisoma kiingereza chako. Kina makosa chungumzima ya grammar na Sio typing errors. Usikasirike ukiambiwa kuwa Kiingereza chako kinahitaji msaada wa Mwalimu. Hii Sio fikra ya mkoloni au utumwa. Huwezi kukaa na fikra za ujamaa na kujitegemea! Kiswahili Sio lugha ya kimataifa ya biashara duniani. Kama hujifunzi lugha ya biashara kwa kuwa ni "lugha ya mkoloni" basi unajipeleka nyuma kimaendeleo kwa kuwa fikra zako ni za miaka ya Nyerere. Mimi nalaumu elimu Duni!
Kuhusu Huyu mama, Kama nilivyokubia mwanzo, Alikuwa haeleweki. Angekwenda ubalozini Kwao na wangempa msaada wote. Nia yangu ipo pale pale ya kusaidia wanaotaka msaada. Tatizo lake yeye na mumewe Hawana fedha!! Tanzania inaongoza kwa rushwa na Mimi sina muda wala Nguvu za kupigana na afisa serikali mwenye Njaa . As long as there is poverty,there will be corruption. Whether in Tanzania or USA.

Futari Njema.

 

[Tokyo40]

Salaam Aleikum Kahtaan, I hope last night's Daku wasenough to energize you this morning!
Since you claim that I have no heart ofhelping people like other Tanzanians, I have taken the task of helping you tocorrect your English grammar fished from your very own comments here. I hope itis useful to improve your English skills. I’m not the beast you try to portrayme here but rather a gentle soul. I’m however a straight forward person, I don't hide behind the bush, something many fellowTanzanians are not used to handle and confuse/misunderstand it with arrogance. Either way, itdoesn’t bother me much.
The first sentence is yours, and the second one is mine (the correct one).
You might think that's crazy! but its thefacts!
You might think that’s crazy but it’s the FACT.

Some EVIL PEOPLE have decided to live alife of corruptions, and because of that, A lot of US will pay the price.
Some evil people have decided to live the life of corruption and because ofthat, we are forced to bribe them to get any public services.

mr Tokyo40i was born and bread in Tanzania!i know my country like my own house!
Mr. Tokyo40, I was born and bred in Tanzania. I know my country likethe back of my HAND!

Especially when it comes to permits andlicences and immigration issues! or taxation, even healthy service!!
…….even HEALTH services!

I dont know which country you are comingfrom ! or which nationality you are holding but!
….. country I come from is the same as my nationality of that country… BUT …what???…..you never finished the sentence.

Tanzania authorities stinks "CORRUPTIONS BIG TIME" Starts from secondarygovernment institutions all the way to the Heads of the Country!
……….STINKof corruption big time. STARTING from ……. All the way to the HEAD OF STATE.

Expecting mothers to get a basic serviceTHEY HAVE TO BRIBE!,
Expecting mothers have to bribe to get basic services!

Even when you want to use a publictoilet(if there is any!] for a quick sh...t! YOU HAVE TO BRIBE TOO!!!!
Is there such a thing as a slow or a quick shit? Besides, it is rude torefer to “take a shit” in public conversations, it is preferable to use theterm “going to the toilet to relieve yourself”.

SO i dont know which Tanzania you are living which yousay
So which Tanzaniaare you living in????

Work the systemthe way you want but without BRIBING those Evils in positions, my friend youwill play a guitar and dance yourself! no one will dance with you!
“Play theguitar and dance yourself and no one will dance with you” makes no sense inEnglish. You have probably translated Swahili expression directly into Englishlike many people here.

You cant make a conclusion just because shedo not mention a lot about her Husband!?
You can’t make such conclusion based on thefact that she doesn’t mention her husband often.

You dont know how she is going through withall this visa and permits nightmares!?
You need to understand what she is going through at the moment (with allTHESE visa and permit problems).

May be the Husband is not cooperativeenough or disable or very poor Guy who is struggle even to find a daily bread!!
in Regards to Bagamoyo and healthy service and all that!
…….who is struggling. (struggling to find his bread and butter, poor guyand struggling in life is the same meaning.

So i cant see why you suspect that poorlady, all i suggest is ! as you seemsto have a lot of confidence about the system in TANZANIA!
why dont you arrange a meeting with that poor lady! and help her!?

You lost me here. I suggested to her thatit would have been better to bribe and get her paperwork like 99% of the peoplein Tanzania do, rather than be a commando and cross the border and come backagain in order to get her visa stamped renewed. I have ZERO confidence in Tanzania, but IKNOW, like most Tanzanians, how to play with the system to get what I want. Ihave already accepted that I am part of the problem not the solution to thecorruption issue, I will leave it to others to fight it.

Now you understand that “D” grade? I hope Ihave been helpful in improving your English.

Have a delicious Futari!

TAKBIR!!
Tokyo40

 

[Issues1000]

Tokyo40; ever so boastful and arrogant about what he claims or believes is his perfected English.Start a English school or something.Some of us express what we want to in any way we feel to,some of us get creative,use other terms,etc,not all stick to academics you know,many are creative,poets,lyric writers and so forth.Like I said before soak in a farm of bulls shitting,I meant that literally.Your aim to demoralize and insult by pointing out full stops ,commas and letters has no place here.Go teach A B C and use your skill to teach bribery

 

[Issues1000]

So, by right since 2008 you were visiting Tanzania as a tourist with South African passport. As a member of commonwealth, you were given 6 months maximum as per requirement. Your son is approximately four months old, … …. Why didn’t you include your son in either your father’s passport or yours? It’s easy to do that via your embassy (read requirement to be helped outside your country by your embassy) as your visa is running out. Alternatively you should have all required papers to satisfy officials that your case is genuine. In this case it seems you do not have genuine papers for your son.

I do not believe that your case is urgent because your husband is somewhere else and you can’t satisfy the Immigration officials with proper documentation. In actual fact our immigration officials have been lenient to you, you have been dilly dallying for quite some time, and they should have deported you as soon as possible. Your issue does not have any business to do with human rights as you can travel with your baby without any problem. (Get temporary documentation from SA embassy).

Another issue - when you enter a foreign country as a tourist you should have enough money to cater for yourself and any eventualities. How much money did you declare when you entered? It seems your husband does not really care about the wellbeing of his family and hence the Immigration does not believe whatever you say.

Points taken.Yes since 2008 i was just that a tourist,Tanzania my getaway.I married in 2012 in South Africa to a Tanzanian that I met in South Africa.And yes I was unaware of possibilities of adding minors to our passports .AND YOU ARE CORRECT,LITTLE PLANNING WAS DONE AND ALL IN REGARD TO CONSEQUENCES AND EVENTS OF EMERGENCY, and decisions were made accordingly.BUT LIKE IN LAW CASES OF THE WORST CRIMES,THERE is a trial,and the case is analyzed before judgement is passed. I have many valid points.Le

 

[Issues1000]

Lenient ? How ? Like saying get sixty years in prison instead of a lifetime. But valid points raised.I will use the knowledge in any future cases of consequence

 

[Tokyo40]

Issues1000, Hate the Game not the Player!! I was merely helping a fellow Tanzanian to write English better. Reading from your replies, I think you might need my help too. There is a huge difference between writing poetically/creatively/lyrically and writing in POOR grammar like in your replies. If you don't agree, then you are the one who is arrogant and ignorant. You can't expect to write in poor English and claim to be "creative". If you don't know English, it is better to say so and get help rather than claiming to write it "poetically/creatively" etc. This is a childish claim to say the least. I don't mean to insult anyone and if that's how you think of it, then go ahead, I will not lose sleep over it since you are just an ID here to me. If you know anything about Tanzania or your supposedly country of South Africa, you would know that nothing works without bribing. And like some people said here, you are naïve to think that just because you are supposedly South African, the government will bend backwards to get your baby's birth certificate on time when you can easily obtain all the documents at your "Embassy". They have done all they can to extend your tourist visa and yet you are still complaining!!! If you are broke, say so, Tanzanians have a generous heart, and we would have easily raised funds for you to obtain the permit instead of coming here and starting a humble but hopeless war against corruption!

 

[kahtaan]

Salaam Aleikum Kahtaan, I hope last night's Daku wasenough to energize you this morning!
Since you claim that I have no heart ofhelping people like other Tanzanians, I have taken the task of helping you tocorrect your English grammar fished from your very own comments here. I hope itis useful to improve your English skills. I'm not the beast you try to portrayme here but rather a gentle soul. I'm however a straight forward person, I don't hide behind the bush, something many fellowTanzanians are not used to handle and confuse/misunderstand it with arrogance. Either way, itdoesn't bother me much.
The first sentence is yours, and the second one is mine (the correct one).
You might think that's crazy! but its thefacts!
You might think that's crazy but it's the FACT.

Some EVIL PEOPLE have decided to live alife of corruptions, and because of that, A lot of US will pay the price.
Some evil people have decided to live the life of corruption and because ofthat, we are forced to bribe them to get any public services.

mr Tokyo40i was born and bread in Tanzania!i know my country like my own house!
Mr. Tokyo40, I was born and bred in Tanzania. I know my country likethe back of my HAND!

Especially when it comes to permits andlicences and immigration issues! or taxation, even healthy service!!
…….even HEALTH services!

I dont know which country you are comingfrom ! or which nationality you are holding but!
….. country I come from is the same as my nationality of that country… BUT …what???…..you never finished the sentence.

Tanzania authorities stinks "CORRUPTIONS BIG TIME" Starts from secondarygovernment institutions all the way to the Heads of the Country!
……….STINKof corruption big time. STARTING from ……. All the way to the HEAD OF STATE.

Expecting mothers to get a basic serviceTHEY HAVE TO BRIBE!,
Expecting mothers have to bribe to get basic services!

Even when you want to use a publictoilet(if there is any!] for a quick sh...t! YOU HAVE TO BRIBE TOO!!!!
Is there such a thing as a slow or a quick shit? Besides, it is rude torefer to "take a shit" in public conversations, it is preferable to use theterm "going to the toilet to relieve yourself".

SO i dont know which Tanzania you are living which yousay
So which Tanzaniaare you living in????

Work the systemthe way you want but without BRIBING those Evils in positions, my friend youwill play a guitar and dance yourself! no one will dance with you!
"Play theguitar and dance yourself and no one will dance with you" makes no sense inEnglish. You have probably translated Swahili expression directly into Englishlike many people here.

You cant make a conclusion just because shedo not mention a lot about her Husband!?
You can't make such conclusion based on thefact that she doesn't mention her husband often.

You dont know how she is going through withall this visa and permits nightmares!?
You need to understand what she is going through at the moment (with allTHESE visa and permit problems).

May be the Husband is not cooperativeenough or disable or very poor Guy who is struggle even to find a daily bread!!
in Regards to Bagamoyo and healthy service and all that!
…….who is struggling. (struggling to find his bread and butter, poor guyand struggling in life is the same meaning.

So i cant see why you suspect that poorlady, all i suggest is ! as you seemsto have a lot of confidence about the system in TANZANIA!
why dont you arrange a meeting with that poor lady! and help her!?

You lost me here. I suggested to her thatit would have been better to bribe and get her paperwork like 99% of the peoplein Tanzania do, rather than be a commando and cross the border and come backagain in order to get her visa stamped renewed. I have ZERO confidence in Tanzania, but IKNOW, like most Tanzanians, how to play with the system to get what I want. Ihave already accepted that I am part of the problem not the solution to thecorruption issue, I will leave it to others to fight it.

Now you understand that "D" grade? I hope Ihave been helpful in improving your English.

Have a delicious Futari!

TAKBIR!!
Tokyo40

Tokyo Let me tell you something.

I think I was right to call you" mentally slave".
You spend all that time try to correct my english!? Bravo! Bravo!

Pathetic! Thats what i would say!

You think that someone will reward you for that!
After all, this is same language which your colonial master used when they give orders to ur grand father to polish their shoes!

You make me feel sick by calling yourself a muslim at the same time make fun of it.

Now I have no doubt in my mind that you are one of those corrupt few!

Who are willing to sacrifice their dignity for the sake of a white man!

Uislamu huujui! Ustaraabu wako ni mdogo na nidhamu ya kuongea kama mtanzania pia huna!

uislamu unao ufahamu wewe ni ule wa cbs news na wa yule steve spersburg na cnn!

sio uislamu uliopo ndani ya mafundisho halisi ya mtume mohammad {s.a.w}

Toka mwanzo wa maongezi haya Unapenda kujionyesha kuwa wewe ni bora!
Unajua zaidi. Una fahamu zaidi sheria,
Una akili nyingi and so on!
Na sasa unajiita MWALIMU

You call yourself "a muslim" and you say that "muslim is a backward religion"??

You know what I call you!?

"The 21st century black slave"

Uislamu huujui! Huthamini asili yako, na kila anaekwambia ukweli unajaribu kumshambulia kwa mitindo ya hao wakoloni waliokutesea babu zako.

I dont know if you are wearing a trouser in your house!
I think she does! ! (She is a foreigner! Right?? whom you paid bla ...bla ...bla ) and I bet she is black too!

She makes you just like herself!

Wearing a white man's skin and attitudes!

ALL IN COULD SAY TO YOU MY SO CALLED "MUSLIM BROTHER" IS:

Shame on you partner!

 

[kahtaan]

Mheshimiwa Kahtaan, Salaam Aleikum! Nategemea umepata Daku ya Nguvu Jana na unaendelea na afya njema na thaumu yako.

Kwanza, nimefurahi kusoma Majibu yako hata Kwamba hayaniridhishi. Mimi nitafunga na wewe Kama wewe unafuata Sheria zote hizi za Kiislamu:
1. Kutotumia aina yote ya kinga dhidi ya Mimba, iwe kondom Au dawa kwa mke au mchumba Wako pamoja na kufunga kizazi.
2. Hupokei RIBA benki.
3. Unaishi chini ya Sharia law katika Maisha yako hivi sasa.
4. Hukai na kuzungumza na mwanamke au kutongoza mwanamke Kabla ya kumuoa.

Jambo ninalotaka kusema ni kuwa ni Vigumu Kuishi Karne ya 21 kutumia Sheria za Karne ya 15! Kufunga au kusali pekee haukufanyi wewe mwislamu zaidi yangu kwa kuwa sifungi.. Na kila nchi inavyooendelea na kutajirika basi Dini inazidi kuwa nyuma. Huwezi kukuta kwa mfano ulaya mwanamke yupo chini ya mumewe Kama mtumwa wake. Tabia hii ipo kwenye nchi masikini kwa kuwa wanawake wengi Hawana elimu na kutegemea kulishwa. Mwanamke na elimu Yake na pesa zake huwezi kumwendesha hata kidogo kinyume na Sheria za Dini zinazotaka afate amri ya mumewe! Kwa hivyo Kama mimi nitakwenda Motoni, nitakwenda. Nipo radhi na Maisha yangu ya dunia hii ya hapa na Kama nitaadhibiwa huko Motoni, basi Nipo tayari.
Niliposema familia na rafiki ni muhimu kuliko watoa maoni hapa nimemaanisha kuwa sitakasirika na hoja au Majibu yanayoandikwa na watu wa barabarani. Sio kuwa siwasaidii watu nisiowajua.
Swala la kiingereza, jibu lako ni la kawaida kwa wengi hapa. Watanzania ni wabishi sana. Mwonyeshe mkalimani wowote atakupa "D" Akisoma kiingereza chako. Kina makosa chungumzima ya grammar na Sio typing errors. Usikasirike ukiambiwa kuwa Kiingereza chako kinahitaji msaada wa Mwalimu. Hii Sio fikra ya mkoloni au utumwa. Huwezi kukaa na fikra za ujamaa na kujitegemea! Kiswahili Sio lugha ya kimataifa ya biashara duniani. Kama hujifunzi lugha ya biashara kwa kuwa ni "lugha ya mkoloni" basi unajipeleka nyuma kimaendeleo kwa kuwa fikra zako ni za miaka ya Nyerere. Mimi nalaumu elimu Duni!
Kuhusu Huyu mama, Kama nilivyokubia mwanzo, Alikuwa haeleweki. Angekwenda ubalozini Kwao na wangempa msaada wote. Nia yangu ipo pale pale ya kusaidia wanaotaka msaada. Tatizo lake yeye na mumewe Hawana fedha!! Tanzania inaongoza kwa rushwa na Mimi sina muda wala Nguvu za kupigana na afisa serikali mwenye Njaa . As long as there is poverty,there will be corruption. Whether in Tanzania or USA.

Futari Njema.

Wewe Tokyo40 uislamu unaojua wewe ni ule wa kwenye vikao vya kahawa!

Na sio uislamu halisi.
Maneno yako si makini. Na huna kauli njema kwa hata huyu dada alie na shida hapa!
Ulichokuwa hodari wewe ni kashfa!
Na hapo nakuvulia kofia!

Na hauko peke yako! Humu jf mko wachache wenye tabia hii!
And guess what! Most of these behaviours came from people who call themselves"the chosen nation" u know what I'm takn about!

Wewe kama ni muislamu kweli (which I doubted very much)!

Then your level of islamic knowledge is almost "0".

Islam is not NATIONALITY! Black/white boy!
Its principles and orders! And one who obeyed and followed those orders, is called "A MUSLIM".

You mr Tokyo40 not only disobey those orders! You try to correct ISLAM!

You seems to have better proposals that ISLAM! by sayying that" mwanamke mwenye elimu huwezi kumuendesha"
Wapi umesikia uislamu unamuendesha mwanamke??

Unajua historia ya mwanamke alivyokuwa treated kabla ya uislamu!?

Au unaropoka tu kwa sababu mdomo mali yako?!

Wewe kama udai ni muislamu (kitu ambacho nina mashaka nacho 95%)

Sio kuwa huabudu tu bali unajifanya kuwa na akili nyingi za kujaribu kuukosoa uislamu.

We kijana mwenye elimu duni unaweza kukosoa uislamu wewe!?

Wameshindwa hao mabwana zako unao watukuza na kujigamba kwa lugha ilio tuletea majanga huku kwetu?!

Kosa nini!?

Kutwambia kuwa umeoa mke mgeni!?

Kama huo mkeo amekugeuza uamini anacho amini yeye hilo ni uamuzi wako lkn usije ongea mbele ya waungwana kuwa usilami ni wa karne ya 5 na wewe ni bora!
Huna la maana la kuongea kaa kimya!

Au nenda kamsifie mkeo namna gani wewe ni bora kuliko uislamu.
Sio mimi na watu wanao soma hapa!.
Na kusema nchi zinazo tajirika dini inazidi kufa!
Hii unaongea toka kichwa au umesoma kwenye majira"!
Idadi ya waislamu inaongezeka killa siku europe na ameria! Na hizo info zinapatika kirahisi tu! Just Google it!

Bwana awe nawe!
Haleluyah