Immigration office and law

[Issues1000]

Sir,your superiority in Englishdom I bow down to. The embassy issuing a South African birth certificate is not the issue at hand.Yes I did not even research an embassy supplying a south african birth certificate as logistically he needed a birth certificate here!Anyway no need to justify me ,my words,my sentences or my life paths to you.I am not on par with scrupulous bribery hand outs and congratualtions for winning,,visit the casino often,join the luck line.google yourself to luxury and stay comfortable with your pockets of tshillings

 

[kahtaan]

I dont think what your saying here to be true!
first thing first,
When you are dealing with Tanzania immigration! NOTHING IS EASY! Even a smallest issue, you have to bribe! bagging and being humiliated all the time!

2. If you are a Male foreigner married to a tanzanian , Your child CAN NOT BECOME TANZANIA NATIONAL AUTOMATICALLY!
Its a loong and UGLY proses!

In short, If you have immigration issues with Tanzania authority just give yourself a plenty of time, and prepare to BRIBE EVERYONE!
Sometime they hide your documents purposely just to get a BRIBE!

You might think that's crazy! but its the facts!

Some EVIL PEOPLE have decided to live a life of corruptions, and because of that, A lot of US will pay the price.

SOMETIME I FEEL EMBARRASSED TO CALL MYSELF "TANZANIAN"[/QUOT
and thats why we need another media platform to get to a wider audience to debate these issues.It is basic rights.Voices of other cases need to be heard to make any kind of an impact and not decsion making of laws in closed doors .We need this to go out in the open,radio,tv,newspapers, or any other way.I have documented proof of my case being submitted to all official recipients and even the immigration office have in their files!

TRUST ME SWEET HEART! I BELIEVE YOU TOTALLY,

 

[Issues1000]

You came here asking for help!! You have claimed that your "Embassy" in Dar could not help you. I have showed that they could. So your claims that you received no help from them make no sense to us. You will be amazed how many people write BS here when the truth is only a click away. I am certain now, more than ever, that you are not a South African and you better stop embarrassing yourself. You have wasted our time and efforts in trying to help you when in fact your facts hold no water. Don't assume all of us here are ------ and you can just fool us. Your stories have holes everywhere.

Excuse me if my story has 'holes' .one day it can be a holy testimonial and cease corruption ,leaving full tshilling pockets with holes! I have documented proof of the embassy response to me and full documentation at all the relevant government structure offices of the system.My statements come from fact.

 

[Issues1000]

TRUST ME SWEET HEART! I BELIEVE YOU TOTALLY,

Thanks,,,and the superior structures need to be rattled!They need to be awakened ,not just accepted n followed!

 

[Tokyo40]

mr Tokyo40 i was born and bread in Tanzania! i know my country like my own house!

i never say things are impossible to get in Tanzania rather NOTHING IS EASY TO GET! NOTHING!

Especially when it comes to permits and licences and immigration issues! or taxation, even healthy service!!

I dont know which country you are coming from ! or which nationality you are holding but!

Tanzania authorities stinks "CORRUPTIONS BIG TIME" Starts from secondary government institutions all the way to the Heads of the Country!

Expecting mothers to get a basic service THEY HAVE TO BRIBE!,
Students looking for scholarship THEY HAVE TO BRIBE!
Shop keepers to avoid unfair tax THEY HAVE TO BRIBE,
A fruit and veg seller to avoid kicked out of their places THEY HAVE TO BRIBE!

Even when you want to use a public toilet(if there is any!] for a quick sh...t! YOU HAVE TO BRIBE TOO!!!!

SO i dont know which Tanzania you are living which you say

"Nothing in Tanzania is impossible to get if you know how to work the system!!!

Work the system the way you want but without BRIBING those Evils in positions, my friend you will play a guitar and dance yourself! no one will dance with you!

In regards to the lady in question, whether she is South Africans or NOT!

I cant find any logic reason for me to doubt her claims!!

You cant make a conclusion just because she do not mention a lot about her Husband!?

You dont know how she is going through with all this visa and permits nightmares!?

May be the Husband is not cooperative enough or disable or very poor Guy who is struggle even to find a daily bread!!
in Regards to Bagamoyo and healthy service and all that!

You say you have been to South Africa!!

Some places in South Africa ,if you try to compare, there is a township in PORT ELIZABETH called SILVERSTONE, MY friend Tokyo40 Bagamoyo is Paradise! compare to that place!

About her poor English! I have met so many South africans with very Strong local tongue and the do struggle a little when it comes to English grammar 1

So i cant see why you suspect that poor lady, all i suggest is ! as you seems to have a lot of confidence about the system in TANZANIA!
why dont you arrange a meeting with that poor lady! and help her!?

People with big heart do help strangers!

You will never know who will come for the rescue one day when you are in desperate situation,

Mr. Kahtaan, First let me state the fact that, like you, I was born and raised in Tanzania. And like you, I am educated enough to know that just because a country is wealthy, it doesn't mean that most of her citizens live in Paradise. Case in point is USA where 40 million Americans have no access to health care and the financial crisis has forced many of them to lose their jobs. I also know many citizens in EU are coming to Africa to look for work. For example, There are currently 200,000 Portuguese citizens in Angola and Mozambique alone. I am also aware that there are ghetto neighbourhoods in the rich world that make Tanzania look like a First World nation. There are places I wouldn't walk without being stabbed in the UK, USA or even Canada. I don't expect her to have proficiency in English just because she is from South Africa. She writes like English is her third language. You must agree that English proficiency of South Africans is vastly superior to our own. Just read some of the commentary here and you will know what I mean. Most Tanzanians have a habit of translating straight from Swahili and they assume they will be understood. It is a result of our poor education, another debate all together. I am very aware that corruption is everywhere in Tanzania, just like in most countries. The difference is that in Tanzania it starts from the bottom due to poor wages but in the WEST its starts from the top. The most corrupted politicians in the world live in Washington, DC. They only work for "special interest groups". If you are familiar with American politics, you will know how powerful interest groups are, and the members of congress depend on their "contributions" to pay for their expensive elections. That said, I had all the intention of advising this lady. If you read my comments earlier, you would have notice my sincere intentions. However, in order to ask for genuine advice, one must also be honest about his/her situations. I have wasted my time to try to advice her but as I read her stories, it seem to me that they are full of holes. I have quoted the Ministry of Home Affairs of South Africa saying that they do indeed issue their citizens with birth certificates abroad, something which she said they couldn't help her with. Most citizens of the rich nations get this service from their Embassies. My initial intention was to help her with the best of my abilities. She has deceived us. And yes, when in Rome, do as the Romans.... her supposedly principles will force her to get malaria while waiting for a birth certificate issued by a corrupted official who is waiting to be bribed!!!!!

 

[Issues1000]

You came here asking for help!! You have claimed that your "Embassy" in Dar could not help you. I have showed that they could. So your claims that you received no help from them make no sense to us. You will be amazed how many people write BS here when the truth is only a click away. I am certain now, more than ever, that you are not a South African and you better stop embarrassing yourself. You have wasted our time and efforts in trying to help you when in fact your facts hold no water. Don't assume all of us here are ------ and you can just fool us. Your stories have holes everywhere.

My stories with 'holes' will be holy testimonials to cease the leaking tshilling pockets that you and your friends feed with daily bribes.Excuse me not being on 'par' with talks on corruption!

 

[Tokyo40]

BTW, if this lady is here to start some kind of a revolution to fight corruption, then I would suggest that she starts it in her supposedly country, South Africa. She wants to mobilize the masses just because they would not issue her kid with a birth certificate in a timely manner? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For a starter, South Africa is ranked one of the highest corrupted nation in the world.Half of South Africans Paid Bribes in 2012

 

[kahtaan]

You came here asking for help!! You have claimed that your "Embassy" in Dar could not help you. I have showed that they could. So your claims that you received no help from them make no sense to us. You will be amazed how many people write BS here when the truth is only a click away. I am certain now, more than ever, that you are not a South African and you better stop embarrassing yourself. You have wasted our time and efforts in trying to help you when in fact your facts hold no water. Don't assume all of us here are ------ and you can just fool us. Your stories have holes everywhere.

Tokyo40 i really cant see the reason why you are attacking Issues1000 ,

Lets imagine SHE IS NOT SOUTH AFRICANS,as you think!

Then why does she have to come in here and ask for help??

She never ask for money or donations!

Then why all this?? WHO IS SHE TRYING TO F...OL!

I think you need to give her time to explain herself and if you find she is not making any sense to you ! then you have the right to ignore her, rather than attacking her by saying she is pulling the fast one!

Or may be the fasting this holly month OF RAMADHANI could be the reasons!?

cause a wise man says" A hungry man is an Angry man"

 

[Issues1000]

Your initial response was that you paid two hundred dollars for a residence pass.So I assumed you were not a resident or born and bred as you claimed.You assume I am making stories of being South African because my English is not on'par' with other South Africans.Then you claim to be knowledgeable on world facts and demographics.Then I am making stories and not following hekp from a googled home affairs website.I did all of the routes like the embassy way before i posted the dilemma I face. Bribery exists everywhere,in top and street levels.so why give me googled stats of my country and bribes?

 

[kahtaan]

Mr. Kahtaan, First let me state the fact that, like you, I was born and raised in Tanzania. And like you, I am educated enough to know that just because a country is wealthy, it doesn't mean that most of her citizens live in Paradise. Case in point is USA where 40 million Americans have no access to health care and the financial crisis has forced many of them to lose their jobs. I also know many citizens in EU are coming to Africa to look for work. For example, There are currently 200,000 Portuguese citizens in Angola and Mozambique alone. I am also aware that there are ghetto neighbourhoods in the rich world that make Tanzania look like a First World nation. There are places I wouldn't walk without being stabbed in the UK, USA or even Canada. I don't expect her to have proficiency in English just because she is from South Africa. She writes like English is her third language. You must agree that English proficiency of South Africans is vastly superior to our own. Just read some of the commentary here and you will know what I mean. Most Tanzanians have a habit of translating straight from Swahili and they assume they will be understood. It is a result of our poor education, another debate all together. I am very aware that corruption is everywhere in Tanzania, just like in most countries. The difference is that in Tanzania it starts from the bottom due to poor wages but in the WEST its starts from the top. The most corrupted politicians in the world live in Washington, DC. They only work for "special interest groups". If you are familiar with American politics, you will know how powerful interest groups are, and the members of congress depend on their "contributions" to pay for their expensive elections. That said, I had all the intention of advising this lady. If you read my comments earlier, you would have notice my sincere intentions. However, in order to ask for genuine advice, one must also be honest about his/her situations. I have wasted my time to try to advice her but as I read her stories, it seem to me that they are full of holes. I have quoted the Ministry of Home Affairs of South Africa saying that they do indeed issue their citizens with birth certificates abroad, something which she said they couldn't help her with. Most citizens of the rich nations get this service from their Embassies. My initial intention was to help her with the best of my abilities. She has deceived us. And yes, when in Rome, do as the Romans.... her supposedly principles will force her to get malaria while waiting for a birth certificate issued by a corrupted official who is waiting to be bribed!!!!!

I THINK NOW WE ARE BOTH AGREE ONE THING IN COMMON! In this beatiful country of ours! that "NOTHING GOES WITHOUT A BRIBE"!
And it makes life a living hell especially for poor fellow citizen and guests! and people with faith too, who try to obey GOD ALMIGHTY but the authority forced them to go against their faith!

for example myself!

I am a MUSLIM! and it is one of the BIGGEST SIN to give BRIBE! Unfortunately i am forced to break rules and committing a sin almost everyday because of these bunch of .... who never had enough of anything!

All i can suggest to a lady in question is , Do the best you can and i wish i could help you but i am very far frm where you are and i wish you all the best!

May God make things easy for you and hopefully you will be able to live with your family in peace.

MUNGU IBARIKI TANZANIA NA WABARIKI WASIOKULA RUSHWA PEKE YAO!
AMEEN,

so long Tokyo40 and Issues1000

 

[Tokyo40]

Again, you are not reading my replies properly. I said I paid for my child.( My spouse is a foreign national, and since Tanzania does not allow dual citizenship, they were both living in Dar with a work permit). I was born and raised in Dar Es Salaam. I am more than willing to show my passport here if you are willing to do the same with your "South African" passport. I think the issue here is your supposedly principles of fighting corruption and evil. If that is the case, I salute you. But if you want things to be done quickly in this part of the world, you have to bribe your way through. It is a sad but the truth nevertheless. I can't believe that you had to smuggle yourself in order to get your visa renewed to stay rather than giving some people money to expediate your application. Your intentions to fight corruption are honourable, but be prepared to pay the high price! To me, it is not worth smuggling myself as you claimed you did. It is not worth the life of my child to wait for the paperwork to be completed and expose the child to malaria. I assume you have little funds if you are struggling to pay for your resident permit. Yes, it's not a good idea to pay bribes, but I am not willing to pay the high price like you. I would rather get my paperwork and do other important things in my life than fight a system which is rotten at the core. Am I part of the problem? Certainly. Can I fight the rotten system here? NO!!! As long as people are poor, there will always be corruption in the system. You are fighting a lost battle. If foreign leaders in the west can be bribed, how do you expect a poorly paid African civil servant to resist it?

 

[Tokyo40]

Tokyo40 i really cant see the reason why you are attacking Issues1000 ,

Lets imagine SHE IS NOT SOUTH AFRICANS,as you think!

Then why does she have to come in here and ask for help??

She never ask for money or donations!

Then why all this?? WHO IS SHE TRYING TO F...OL!

I think you need to give her time to explain herself and if you find she is not making any sense to you ! then you have the right to ignore her, rather than attacking her by saying she is pulling the fast one!

Or may be the fasting this holly month OF RAMADHANI could be the reasons!?

cause a wise man says" A hungry man is an Angry man"

I am Muslim, I do not fast, and I haven't fasted for more than 10 years now and have no intention of doing so now or in the future. (Please save me the lecture!) Besides, having a full stomach is not a prerequisite of thinking straight, having common sense or running a country wisely, otherwise Tanzania would be like Switzerland by now!

 

[Issues1000]

Thank you for the responses.Yes realities are following bribery routes. Well I am not armed for revolution,who knows maybe this new born soul will in time rise to revolutionise the country of his birth!

 

[Tokyo40]

Thank you for the responses.Yes realities are following bribery routes. Well I am not armed for revolution,who knows maybe this new born soul will in time rise to revolutionise the country of his birth!

I rest my case.

 

[Tokyo40]

Sir,your superiority in Englishdom I bow down to. The embassy issuing a South African birth certificate is not the issue at hand.Yes I did not even research an embassy supplying a south african birth certificate as logistically he needed a birth certificate here!Anyway no need to justify me ,my words,my sentences or my life paths to you.I am not on par with scrupulous bribery hand outs and congratualtions for winning,,visit the casino often,join the luck line.google yourself to luxury and stay comfortable with your pockets of tshillings

When I understand what you are trying to say here, I will come back and reply to you. In the meantime, bon voyage!

 

[Issues1000]

I dont think what your saying here to be true!
first thing first,
When you are dealing with Tanzania immigration! NOTHING IS EASY! Even a smallest issue, you have to bribe! bagging and being humiliated all the time!

2. If you are a Male foreigner married to a tanzanian , Your child CAN NOT BECOME TANZANIA NATIONAL AUTOMATICALLY!
Its a loong and UGLY proses!

In short, If you have immigration issues with Tanzania authority just give yourself a plenty of time, and prepare to BRIBE EVERYONE!
Sometime they hide your documents purposely just to get a BRIBE!

You might think that's crazy! but its the facts!

Some EVIL PEOPLE have decided to live a life of corruptions, and because of that, A lot of US will pay the price.

SOMETIME I FEEL EMBARRASSED TO CALL MYSELF "TANZANIAN"[/QUOT
and thats why we need another media platform to get to a wider audience to debate these issues.It is basic rights.Voices of other cases need to be heard to make any kind of an impact and not decsion making of laws in closed doors .We need this to go out in the open,radio,tv,newspapers, or any other way.I have documented proof of my case being submitted to all official recipients and even the immigration office have in their files!

 

[Issues1000]

After some basic research and talks,i discovered that this new law came into effect to curb a business line of fake marriages,and there was such an operation from Zanzibar.I think however the fee would hardly curb any such intentions.I still think a case needs to be evaluated anyway and in mine,my baby was held ransom ,to expedite my residence permit fee!??

 

[Issues1000]

Then your embassy is good for nothing...like how on earth can they ditch their own citizen, they don't deserve their salaries!

After some basic research and talks,i discovered that this new law came into effect to curb a business line of fake marriages,and there was such an operation from Zanzibar.I think however the fee would hardly curb any such intentions.I still think a case needs to be evaluated anyway and in mine,my baby was held ransom ,to expedite my residence permit fee!??

 

[EMT]

I am a South African citizen,offically married both in SA and Tanzania to a Tanzania citizen.I recently ,end of march,delivered our new baby boy,a new tz citizen.My visa was intitally only extended for a month,even though an official hospital letter stated that i was not in a physical position to travel.This took a trip to immigration office with my new born baby a few weeks old.Again the hospital letter was totally ignored even though i pleaded they read.Only extended till July.,but my new born birthcertificate can only be ready in July.So do they plan to seperate a mother from her new born son?.Where are basic human rights in these official marks of chaos? Can anyone call me065434807 or email nenatenacity@gmail.com

I read all your posts, but I still don't understand the problem and what you want. Maybe, we should go back to your first post.

You said you're a South African citizen currently in Tanzania and that you're married to a Tanzanian citizen.

You also appear to have said that your marriage is legally recognised both in South Africa and in Tanzania.

Then, you said that you recently have a new baby boy born in Tanzania. Congratulations for having a new baby.

You said this new baby is a Tanzanian citizen. I guess you said so, because his father is a Tanzanian citizen.

Now, on the issue of your immigration, you said that your visa was initially extended only for one month. This was done despite the official hospital letter which stated that you were not in good condition to travel.

You also said that you went to the Immigration Office with your new born baby about this issue, but they completely ignored the hospital letter.

You also appear to have said that, nonetheless, they extended your visa until July, although the birth certificate for your new born baby will not be ready until after July.

Now, before going further could you please respond to these preliminary questions? This will help to get into the grip of the problem.

• When did you arrive in Tanzania and for what purpose?
• Under what visa did you come with in Tanzania? State the original visa category as stated on your passport/immigration letter.
• What is the expiry date for the visa you used to enter Tanzania?
• Apart from the visa extension you were given recently, have you extended or vary your leave to stay in Tanzania before? If so, which visa were you given? Was it the same visa as the one you used to enter Tanzania?
• When was your baby born and when did you applied for his birth certificate?
• Regarding the temporary extension you were given to expire in July, under what visa category was such limited extension given?
• Why your travel is dependent on obtaining the birth certificate of your new baby?
• Where is the father of your new baby? If he is in Tanzania, do you live together or in contact and is he helping you in resolving the problem?

 

[Issues1000]

I read all your posts, but I still don't understand the problem and what you want. Maybe, we should go back to your first post.

You said you're a South African citizen currently in Tanzania and that you're married to a Tanzanian citizen.

You also appear to have said that your marriage is legally recognised both in South Africa and in Tanzania.

Then, you said that you recently have a new baby boy born in Tanzania. Congratulations for having a new baby.

You said this new baby is a Tanzanian citizen. I guess you said so, because his father is a Tanzanian citizen.

Now, on the issue of your immigration, you said that your visa was initially extended only for one month. This was done despite the official hospital letter which stated that you were not in good condition to travel.

You also said that you went to the Immigration Office with your new born baby about this issue, but they completely ignored the hospital letter.

You also appear to have said that, nonetheless, they extended your visa until July, although the birth certificate for your new born baby will not be ready until after July.

Now, before going further could you please respond to these preliminary questions? This will help to get into the grip of the problem.

• When did you arrive in Tanzania and for what purpose?
• Under what visa did you come with in Tanzania? State the original visa category as stated on your passport/immigration letter.
• What is the expiry date for the visa you used to enter Tanzania?
• Apart from the visa extension you were given recently, have you extended or vary your leave to stay in Tanzania before? If so, which visa were you given? Was it the same visa as the one you used to enter Tanzania?
• When was your baby born and when did you applied for his birth certificate?
• Regarding the temporary extension you were given to expire in July, under what visa category was such limited extension given?
• Why your travel is dependent on obtain