Hidden in Einstein's Math: Faster-than-Light Travel?

[Kiranga]

It was not a theory, but just an assumption on your assertion about the distance to the earth from Galaxy GN- z11

It is baseless. It has no merit. It is not even necessary to explain the galaxy and distance.

Relativity already explains the galaxy and distance without the need of a separate universe.

Your assumption is worse than Don Lemon's suggestion that the missing Malaysian Flight 370 was swallowed by a small black hole!

 

[Makanyaga]

It is baseless. It has no merit. It is not even necessary to explain the galaxy and distance.

Relativity already explains the galaxy and distance without the need of a separate universe.

Your assumption is worse than Don Lemon's suggestion that the missing Malaysian Flight 370 was swallowed by a small black hole!

Every theory was once an assumption based on some observable but unconfirmed facts. The fact that the only way we cam measure Galactic distances is by observation from the earth and not otherwise, makes my argument that Galaxy GN- z11 might not be existing, not a worst but rather, a valid assumption

 

[Kiranga]

Every theory was once an assumption based on some observable but unconfirmed facts. The fact that the only way we cam measure Galactic distances is by observation from the earth and not otherwise, makes my argument that Galaxy GN- z11 might not be existing, not a worst but rather, a valid assumption

You are all over the place. You don't have a consistent narrative.

Are you saying that an observable galaxy may not be there? Or are you saying it may be from another universe?

Consistency please.

 

[Makanyaga]

You are all over the place. You don't have a consistent narrative.

Are you saying that an observable galaxy may not be there? Or are you saying it may be from another universe?

Consistency please.

I'm saying both only that the other universe got extinct in wholly before ours came into existence, and that Galaxy GN- z11 belonged to the former universe. By the way, do we, at the moment, have any otherr known universe apart from our own?

 

[Kiranga]

I'm saying both only that the other universe got extinct in wholly before ours came into existence, and that Galaxy GN- z11 belonged to the former universe. By the way, do we, at the moment, have any otherr known universe apart from our own?

That the galaxy may not be there now (now as in our earth based now, there is no universal "now"), is without objection.

Light from the sun takes approximately 8 minutes and 20 seconds to reach the earth. That is, if the sun is totally and suddenly extinguished now (our now, again, there is no universal now), we will not know about that fact for 8 minutes and 20 seconds. Everything will go on as normal for 8 minutes and 20 seconds. It is like turning off an electric light in your room, only that the electric light takes 8 minutes and 20 second to go off.

So if you hear "the star is 64 million light years away" that means, the light we are seeing now as coming from that star lef the star many million of years ago. The star may not even be there by our "now", but we have not yet received the last light from it, because of the distance.

So there is no mystery in saying that an observable star or galaxy may not be there.

The business about another universe, if you have the math and logically consistent testable theory on that, I encourage you to write a paper, you may be in for a Nobel prize.

There is no proven argument for the existence of other universes. Even proponents of the multiverse theory, most of them anyway, like Leonard Susskind, posits that these universes are unobservable from us by definition.

Sir Roger Penrose has claimed we can see evidence of another universe that was before the Big Bang, but there is a rebuttal on that here

 

[Makanyaga]

That the galaxy may not be there now (now as in our earth based now, there is no universal "now"), is without objection.

Light from the sun takes approximately 8 minutes and 20 seconds to reach the earth. That is, if the sun is totally and suddenly extinguished now (our now, again, there is no universal now), we will not know about that fact for 8 minutes and 20 seconds. Everything will go on as normal for 8 minutes and 20 seconds. It is like turning off an electric light in your room, only that the electric light takes 8 minutes and 20 second to go off.

So if you hear "the star is 64 million light years away" that means, the light we are seeing now as coming from that star lef the star many million of years ago. The star may not even be there by our "now", but we have not yet received the last light from it, because of the distance.

So there is no mystery in saying that an observable star or galaxy may not be there.

The business about another universe, if you have the math and logically consistent testable theory on that, I encourage you to write a paper, you may be in for a Nobel prize.

There is no proven argument for the existence of other universes. Even proponents of the multiverse theory, most of them anyway, like Leonard Susskind, posits that these universes are unobservable from us by definition.

Sir Roger Penrose has claimed we can see evidence of another universe that was before the Big Bang, but there is a rebuttal on that here

You are now geting back to my point, at least. Suppose Galaxy GN- z11 belonged to a universe that went extinct before the formation our own! If there are galaxies and stars that can go extinct, why not in a large scale of time lapse, a universe?

That the galaxy may not be there now (now as in our earth based now, there is no universal "now"), is without objection.

Light from the sun takes approximately 8 minutes and 20 seconds to reach the earth. That is, if the sun is totally and suddenly extinguished now (our now, again, there is no universal now), we will not know about that fact for 8 minutes and 20 seconds. Everything will go on as normal for 8 minutes and 20 seconds. It is like turning off an electric light in your room, only that the electric light takes 8 minutes and 20 second to go off.

So if you hear "the star is 64 million light years away" that means, the light we are seeing now as coming from that star lef the star many million of years ago. The star may not even be there by our "now", but we have not yet received the last light from it, because of the distance.

So there is no mystery in saying that an observable star or galaxy may not be there.

The business about another universe, if you have the math and logically consistent testable theory on that, I encourage you to write a paper, you may be in for a Nobel prize.

There is no proven argument for the existence of other universes. Even proponents of the multiverse theory, most of them anyway, like Leonard Susskind, posits that these universes are unobservable from us by definition.

Sir Roger Penrose has claimed we can see evidence of another universe that was before the Big Bang, but there is a rebuttal on that here

Kiranga
They just did mathematical extrapolation to determine the correct Galactic disatance to Galaxy GN- z11. So it's not that light travelled 32 billion light years at a speed faster than that of light before reaching us. They used a composite method applicable for measuring Galactic ditances, that included part of the journey of light from Galaxy GN- z11. Please see the passage below from the link below

"The light that left this galaxy that we're observing now left the galaxy 13.4 billion years ago," said Gabriel Brammer, an astronomer at the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore and the study's second author. "As far as we know, the universe itself is about 13.8 billion years old. We're seeing a galaxy as it was when the universe was about 3 percent of its current age."

Source: Hubble Space Telescope spies galaxy 32 billion light years away

 

[Makanyaga]

However I admire your curiosity in great ideas Kiranga. Whether it's concern or curiosity, it doesn't make any difference to me. If it were not you, I could not have headr of this until now. I thank you very much for your curiosity

 

[Kiranga]

You are now geting back to my point, at least. Suppose Galaxy GN- z11 belonged to a universe that went extinct before the formation our own! If there are galaxies and stars that can go extinct, why not in a large scale of time lapse, a universe?

Kiranga
They just did mathematical extrapolation to determine the correct Galactic disatance to Galaxy GN- z11. So it's not that light travelled 32 billion light years at a speed faster than that of light before reaching us. They used a composite method applicable for measuring Galactic ditances, that included part of the journey of light from Galaxy GN- z11. Please see the passage below from the link below

"The light that left this galaxy that we're observing now left the galaxy 13.4 billion years ago," said Gabriel Brammer, an astronomer at the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore and the study's second author. "As far as we know, the universe itself is about 13.8 billion years old. We're seeing a galaxy as it was when the universe was about 3 percent of its current age."

Source: Hubble Space Telescope spies galaxy 32 billion light years away

1. There is no scientific evidence that a galaxy from another universe can be visible in our universe.

2. I explained before, that, light from distant galaxies, having reached earth, can achieve an average speed that is faster than that of light, due to the expansion of the universe.

In very simple words, I stated that, light that started the journey to earth 13.4 billion years ago could travel 32 billion light years and reach earth.

32 / 13.4 = 2.388

This light will have reached earth at an average speed of 2.388 light years per year. That is 2.3888 faster than the speed of light.

Due to the expansion of the universe.

What you quoted as extrapolation is basically saying the same thing.

 

[Kiranga]

However I admire your curiosity in great ideas Kiranga. Whether it's concern or curiosity, it doesn't make any difference to me. If it were not you, I could not have headr of this until now. I thank you very much for your curiosity

You are far too kind.

I have been challenging my intellect by delving into difficult subjects voraciously since secondary school.

I started reading Laplace in standard six.

 

[Makanyaga]

I started reading Laplace in standard six.

Great! But, reading in which way? Laplace as a phi;osopher or his mathematical philosophical ideas?

 

[Makanyaga]

2. I explained before, that, light from distant galaxies, having reached earth, can achieve an average speed that is faster than that of light, due to the expansion of the universe.

Great idea once again......which is actually, the apparent speed of light and not its actual speed, so that Einstein's 1905 theory of relativity still stands. I understand that the curiosity with many scientists in the 21st century is to uncover something new relating to the theory and see if they can make any further improvements or modifications about it

 

[Makanyaga]

1. There is no scientific evidence that a galaxy from another universe can be visible in our universe.

2. I explained before, that, light from distant galaxies, having reached earth, can achieve an average speed that is faster than that of light, due to the expansion of the universe.

I guess in literal terms, the totality of everything existing (now and after but possibly not necessarily before, in realive epochs of time, if I'm correct) is the Universe. Therefore we can not have two or more universes existing at the same time; so there exists a mutual relationships among them. Therefore we possibly can have only one universe existing today after another predecessor universe got extinct in wholly before the existing one was formed

 

[Carla]

I guess in literal terms, the totality of everything existing (now and after but possibly not necessarily before, in realive epochs of time, if I'm correct) is the Universe. Therefore we can not have two or more universes existing at the same time; so there exists a mutual relationships among them. Therefore we possibly can have only one universe existing today after another predecessor universe got extinct in wholly before the existing one was formed

Makanyaga, nakubaliana na wazo lako la kuwa inawezekana kutokana na theory ya Multi universe, mwanga uliotufikia 32 billion light years away hautoki kwenye universe yetu. Ila naona kuna vitu vingine vya kufikiria:
1. Kama observation kutoka kwenye hizo nyota itaonesha red shift maana yake hizo nyota zinajongea kuja kwetu na hivyo zitakuwa zinatoka nje ya universe yetu kwa kuwa zenyewe zitakuwa zinatokana na expansion toka kwa universe yake (existing or extinct) na hivyo hii haitaleta wazo la kwamba hizo nyota zinajongea faster than the speed of light na hivyo unaweza kuwa sahihi.

2. Kama observation itaonesha blue shift, then tutaweza kusema aidha nyota hizo zimo ndani ya galaxy yetu kwa kuwa zitakuwa zinajongea kwenda mbali nasi kutokana na expansion ya universe yetu. Hivyo tutaweza kusema kama mwanga umeweza kutufikia in 32 billion light years then idea aliyoisema Kiranga ya kuwa nyota hizo zinaweza kuwa zinajongea kwa faster than the speed of light inaweza kuwa na mashiko. Au nyota tulizoziona (due to blue shift) zilitokana na universe nyingine inayo-shrink (assumption), so kama mwanga wake umeweza kutufikia katika muda huo wa 32 billion light years then theory ya nyota hizo kujongea faster than the speed of light kama alivyopoint out Kiranga yaweza kuwa na mashiko.

 

[Makanyaga]

Makanyaga, nakubaliana na wazo lako la kuwa inawezekana kutokana na theory ya Multi universe, mwanga uliotufikia 32 billion light years away hautoki kwenye galaxy yetu. Ila naona kuna vitu vingine vya kufikiria:
1. Kama observation kutoka kwenye hizo nyota itaonesha red shift maana yake hizo nyota zinajongea kuja kwetu na hivyo zitakuwa zinatoka nje ya galaxy yetu kwa kuwa zenyewe zitakuwa zinatokana na expansion toka kwa galaxy yake (existing or extinct) na hivyo hii haitaleta wazo la kwamba hizo nyota zinajongea faster than the speed of light na hivyo unaweza kuwa sahihi.

2. Kama observation itaonesha blue shift, then tutaweza kusema aidha nyota hizo zimo ndani ya galaxy yetu kwa kuwa zitakuwa zinajongea kwenda mbali nasi kutokana na expansion ya galaxy yetu. Hivyo tutaweza kusema kama mwanga umeweza kutufikia in 32 billion light years then idea aliyoisema Kiranga ya kuwa nyota hizo zinaweza kuwa zinajongea kwa faster than the speed of light inaweza kuwa na mashiko. Au nyota tulizoziona (due to blue shift) zilitokana na galaxy nyingine inayo-shrink (assumption), so kama mwanga wake umeweza kutufikia katika muda huo wa 32 billion light years then theory ya nyota hizo kujongea faster than the speed of light kama alivyopoint out Kiranga yaweza kuwa na mashiko.

Nashauri uisome hiyo nyota tuliyokuwa tunaiongelea hapa. Jaribu kui-google halafu uisome zaidi, uone wataalamu wa mambo haya wamesemaje. Einstein's Theory of Relativity was a breakthrough ambayo itachukua centuries au hata millenia kuwa challenged

 

[Carla]

Nashauri uisome hiyo nyota tuliyokuwa tunaiongelea hapa. Jaribu kui-google halafu uisome zaidi, uone wataalamu wa mambo haya wamesemaje. Einstein's Theory of Relativity was a breakthrough ambayo itachukua centuries au hata millenia kuwa challenged

Siongei neno mpaka nitakapofanya ulichonielekeza mkuu.

 

[Carla]

Makanyanga, nimesoma ulichoniambia nisome. Nimeona kinachozungumziwa ni galaxy na umbali wake kutoka kwenye galaxy yetu.
Nilichokisoma hakijabadili sana nilichoandika hapo awali isipokuwa nimegundua wakati naandika nilifanya kosa kubwa sana, kwani kichwani nilikuwa nawaza universe wakati kuandika nikawa naandika galaxy. Kama ukiangalia nilianza kwa kuitaja theory ya multi universe halafu mbele nikazungumzia galaxies kitu ambacho hakikuwa lengo langu.
Kama inawezekana naomba upitie tena post yangu na utoe maoni yako.

 

[Makanyaga]

Makanyanga, nimesoma ulichoniambia nisome. Nimeona kinachozungumziwa ni galaxy na umbali wake kutoka kwenye galaxy yetu.
Nilichokisoma hakijabadili sana nilichoandika hapo awali isipokuwa nimegundua wakati naandika nilifanya kosa kubwa sana, kwani kichwani nilikuwa nawaza universe wakati kuandika nikawa naandika galaxy. Kama ukiangalia nilianza kwa kuitaja theory ya multi universe halafu mbele nikazungumzia galaxies kitu ambacho hakikuwa lengo langu.
Kama inawezekana naomba upitie tena post yangu na utoe maoni yako.

Carla​

Mimi najaribu kutumia tu simple knowledge ya Physica niliyonayo, ila Cosmology siijui kabisa. Hiyo theory of multi-universe inasemaje?

 

[Carla]

Carla​

Mimi najaribu kutumia tu simple knowledge ya Physica niliyonayo, ila Cosmology siijui kabisa. Hiyo theory of multi-universe inasemaje?

Ni wazo tu la uwezekano wa kuwa na universes zaidi ya moja.
Unaweza kuangalia hapa;