Ab-Titchaz
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unayemwita mpumbavu ni nani? kati ya wapungufu wa akili kuliko wote wewe ni mmojawapo...hauelewi kitu chochote. kaa kimyaa tulia upate lecture bwamdogo....hakuna raia mwema aliyeuawa hata mmoja, hao waliokuwa kwenye meli walikuwa legitimate target ya kushambuliwa, kwasababu walishatoka kwenye kuwa civilian wakawa maadui....israel walikuwa na haki ya kujitetea wenyewe na kutetea mipaka ha usalama wa nchi yao...kwanini wao walipoona wale makomandoo wa kiisrael wanashuka na kamba toka kwenye helikopita kwanini walianza kuwashambulia? unajua hata vitani kabisa hauruhusiwi kumshambulia mtu anayeshuka na parachuzi toka hewani kama hakushambulii wewe?...wao hao unaoita raia wema walianza kuwashambulia, na walipotua kwenye ndege walianza kuwapiga kwa marungu, visu, mapanga, nondo na kufyatua risasi...na walishawachukua wengine ili wawafanye mateka kama yule shalit wanayemshikilia hadi leo...
israel walijua ni raia wema, walipoona wanakutana na mashambulizi, walikuwa na haki ya kuwa na wasiwasi wa nini kimo humo kwenye meli, kwanini wanashambuliwa etc, na wakawasha moto...wanajeshi wengi tu wa israel wamejeruhiwa...wamejerihiwa na nani?na hao unaowaita raia wema...are you out of your mind?
i'm no expert of the mid-east
but it seems to me the larger issue, from which all this stems is that the western powers, after world war 2
felt bad for the jewish people (and rightly so)
but then the western powers did something very unethical, they took the land, that in large part was being lived on (and had been for at least hundreds of years) by the palestinians,
and gave it to the jews
of course, the palestinians were rightfully upset
and to make things worse, the new occupiers of the land proceeded to try the former inhabitants of the land they now controlled as second-class citizens.
clearly, on every level, this is wrong
unless one is one of those who considers the bible a real estate document, giving possession of this land to the people of jewish decent, they really have no right to be there, and certainly not in control.
now there are two problems,
1.) the jews are there, like it or not
and
2.) the palestinians, as righteous as their cause is, often behave badly (as understandable as their anger is)
so, what to do?
well, first of all, ALL palestinians should be given full rights, and not have any less rights than any of the other occupiers of this land (namely the israelis)
and secondly, the palestinians should embrace a policy of non-violence (such as was practiced by gandhi and MLK). with that approach, and the righteousness of their cause, who could not support them?
and lastly, the palestinians need to get their own state, since the israelis clearly seem like they will not be fair in such dealings, the west must, one more time step in, and give them a state, just like they gave israel their own state
if the israelis dont like it, tough cookie
they should be more grateful that they were even given this country
...especially since it was founded on stolen land anyway.
anyway, like i said i'm no expert, but the whole thing has gone on long enough, both sides have behaved poorly, so lets just give the palestinians their own country, regardless of what israel wants, and be done with it
She said the activists would try to negotiate their entry into Gaza's waters, amid reports that the Israeli navy intends to tow the ships to the nearby city of Ashdod and deport all of those on board.
Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said the activists were "masquerading as human rights activists" while trying to make a political point.
He said both Israel and Egypt had offered to take the aid into Gaza, but that the activists had shown no interest.
Funny how all the Israeli apologists keep talking about how these ships are supposedly heading into 'Israeli' waters.Ni vigumu kutetea hawa wanaojiita inosenti, mbona nimeona wanamshambulia huyo komando wa ki israel kama mpira wa kona.
Huu unaitwa upumbavu.
Kuna njia nyingi,lakini sio kuua raia.
Hiyo lecture yako ni mbuzi na ni mambo ya kizamani na ushamba mkubwa sana kufurahia mauaji.Ni u pumbavu!
Funny how all the Israeli apologists keep talking about how these ships are supposedly heading into 'Israeli' waters.
Not content with taking most of the Palestinians' lands and then boxing them in vast concentration camps, the Israelis now claim the sea off the coast of Gaza. So the notional Palestinian state will be the only nation on Earth with a beach but no waters?
What happened in the 1940s, however ghastly, does not justify this level of bastardry in 2010. Israelis had better get that message pronto, or their state will surely be doomed. And all the nuclear weapons they care to amass will be to no avail.
This is what happened in the 1940s also:
"On the 11th July, 1947, the "Exodus" sailed from France, with 4,500 illegal immigrants, most of them refugees from the DP camps of Germany. When the ship entered open waters, a British battleship pulled alongside and followed it all the way to the coast of Mandate Palestine. When it reached a distance of 40 kilometers from the coast of Tel Aviv, six British destroyers blocked its progress. British sailors boarded the ship, and a battle broke out between the British and the immigrants. The immigrants used iron bars, pegs, screws, nails, bottles, and cans of food, which they threw at the British. Three British shipmates, including 1st mate William Bernstein, a U.S. sailor from San Francisco, died as a result of bludgeoning and several dozen others were injured before the ship was taken over.
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/act/38zion.html
So, I guess the moral of the story is that it is OK to try to run a blockade if you're a European Jew.
Sasa jamani ths is a vicious cycle which will happen again and again and again...unless the citizens of these two 'countries' do something about it themselves and don't let politicians interfere. Its the ordinary people who are dying wajameni.
haya, yetu macho...but this is very sad indeed, and the fact that it has been goin on for so long makes me sick.:angry: