Excellent campaigning, Tundu Lissu, but avoid bashing Nyerere!

[tathmini]

Tundu Lissu's campaigning has been excellent - exposing the oppression of the current CCM leadership for all to see. Generally he has reduced attacks on previous leaders and directed his fire on to the current one. That is one of the brilliant tactics, to narrow the field of attack and isolate the enemy.

To attack Nyerere is to widen the field of attack and to bring the supporters of this current leadership back to his rescue bcause Nyerere is dearer in their hearts now than previously. It is true that the imperial presidency of Tz started with Nyerere, but the fact that Nyerere himself was uneasy with it in a public pronouncement shows a vast difference from the current one in the practice of presidentialism. That is the point to hammer home constantly.

If Lissu insists on including Nyerere, he should at least show this difference, and then he will continue to have the vast army of Nyerere's supporters in his fold or nearby. Remember that none of the previous presidents is running. Magufuli is! After the election, assuming Lissu wins, he can then go to town bashing any one in sight if they had a role in TZ' faulty political system.

 

[Fortilo]

Perfectly said ...

 

[zimmerman]

Kwa kweli. Maana kumponda Nyerere ni kuonyesha jinsi ulivyo mwepesi katika tunu za kiuongozi.

Mataifa yote duniani yana tunu, miiko, misingi na alama ambazo ukizipuuza. kuzidharau au kuziponda inatosha tu kukutoa tu kwenye kinyanganyiro.

Embu fikiria Marekani umponde Washington au Lincoln, au Uingereza uongee utumbo kuhusu malkia. Si kwamba hao watu hawakuwa/hawana madhaifu yao. Ni kwamba wanawakilisha tunu na misingi ambayo taifa linasimama juu yake. "Standing on the shoulders of giants", wangereza wanasema.

Hivi Lissu anavyosema hataki awe Rais kama Nyerere, anaweza kujilinganisha na hata robo ya Nyerere kuzingatia nchi aliitoa wapi na kuifikisha wapi pamoja na magumu na changamoto alizopitia?

Lissu anaweza kujenga hoja nzuri tu kuhusu mapungufu ya katiba na mapungufu ya Magufuli na mapungufu ya CCM bila kumponda Nyerere. Kimsingi anaweza hata kumtumia Nyerere kujenga hoja zake kuonyesha ni namna gani tunu za Nyerere zinaweza kukamilishwa na slogan yao ya Uhuru, Haki na Maendeleo ya watu.

 

[Keynez]

Nadhani kwenye hilo Lissu alikubali kubadilika ingawa kwa shingo upande. Ni kweli Nyerere pamoja na umuhimu wake kwa taifa hili lakini pia ni chanzo cha maovu mengi ambayo bado yanatusumbua. Hata hivyo kumsema vibaya waziwazi wakati huu ni jambo ambalo CCM wanaweza kulitumia kwa faida yao.

Ni brilliant idea kumtumia Nyerere kuonyesha jinsi CCM ya Magufuli imeachana na misingi yake. Ingekuwa vizuri pia kama kampeni ya Lissu wangeanza kucheza vipande vya hotuba za Nyerere katika kampeni zao.

 

[JokaKuu]

Kwa kweli. Maana kumponda Nyerere ni kuonyesha jinsi ulivyo mwepesi katika tunu za kiuongozi.

Mataifa yote duniani yana tunu, miiko, misingi na alama ambazo ukizipuuza. kuzidharau au kuziponda inatosha tu kukutoa tu kwenye kinyanganyiro.

Embu fikiria Marekani umponde Washington au Lincoln, au Uingereza uongee utumbo kuhusu malkia. Si kwamba hao watu hawakuwa/hawana madhaifu yao. Ni kwamba wanawakilisha tunu na misingi ambayo taifa linasimama juu yake. "Standing on the shoulders of giants", wangereza wanasema.

Hivi Lissu anavyosema hataki awe Rais kama Nyerere, anaweza kujilinganisha na hata robo ya Nyerere kuzingatia nchi aliitoa wapi na kuifikisha wapi pamoja na magumu na changamoto alizopitia?

Lissu anaweza kujenga hoja nzuri tu kuhusu mapungufu ya katiba na mapungufu ya Magufuli na mapungufu ya CCM bila kumponda Nyerere. Kimsingi anaweza hata kumtumia Nyerere kujenga hoja zake kuonyesha ni namna gani tunu za Nyerere zinaweza kukamilishwa na slogan yao ya Uhuru, Haki na Maendeleo ya watu.

..hakuna mgombea anayemnukuu Mwalimu Nyerere ktk kampeni hizi kumshinda Tundu Lissu.

..karibu ktk kila mkutano wake Tundu Lissu amekuwa akisisitiza kwamba falsafa ya maendeleo ya watu ni falsafa ya Mwalimu Nyerere.

..mara kwa mara Tundu Lissu amekuwa akikumbusha kauli mbiu ya Mwalimu Nyerere ya "Uhuru na Kazi" na "Uhuru na Maendeleo."

..Tundu Lissu alisema kwenye suala la Kinga ya Raisi kushitakiwa, hataki kuwa kama watangulizi wa nafasi hiyo ambao ni Mwalimu Nyerere, Mzee Ali Hassan Mwinyi, Mzee Mkapa, Mzee Kikwete, na Jiwe. Lissu amesisitiza kwamba akichaguliwa ataondoa kinga ya raisi kushitakiwa.

 

[August]

..hakuna mgombea anayemnukuu Mwalimu Nyerere ktk kampeni hizi kumshinda Tundu Lissu.

..karibu ktk kila mkutano wake Tundu Lissu amekuwa akisisitiza kwamba falsafa ya maendeleo ya watu ni falsafa ya Mwalimu Nyerere.

..mara kwa mara Tundu Lissu amekuwa akikumbusha kauli mbiu ya Mwalimu Nyerere ya "Uhuru na Kazi" na "Uhuru na Maendeleo."

..Tundu Lissu alisema kwenye suala la Kinga ya Raisi kushitakiwa, hataki kuwa kama watangulizi wa nafasi hiyo ambao ni Mwalimu Nyerere, Mzee Ali Hassan Mwinyi, Mzee Mkapa, Mzee Kikwete, na Jiwe. Lissu amesisitiza kwamba akichaguliwa ataondoa kinga ya raisi kushitakiwa.

Kuhusu ZnZ na muungano alimpondaNyerere, je ameomba Radhi kwa hilo au ndio hivyo yeye ni mkuu wa watu wote

 

[Keynez]

Kuhusu ZnZ na muungano alimpondaNyerere, je ameomba Radhi kwa hilo au ndio hivyo yeye ni mkuu wa watu wote

Hapana. Kwa upande wa Zanzibar hiyo ni exception. Aliongea kwa usahihi na umahiri mkubwa. Alimuweka Nyerere katika mtanange sahihi wa hoja yake kwa ustadi mkubwa.

 

[Bulaya001]

Ni sawa tu, nyerere hakuwa sawa hata kidogo kabisa.. yule mzee angekuwepo leo haki the hague ingekuwa ni haki yake!!

 

[afnhondya]

Hivi ni mgombea gani siku za nyuma aliwahi kutuambia "NYERERE ALIZOEA KUISHI KWA VYA KUNYONGA??"

Na sasa NYERERE huyo amebadilika nn kwake ilhali alimtuhumu akiwa tayari ametangulia mbele za haki?

Nafkiri mgombea huyo aendelee tu na msimamo wake coz kuacha sasa ni unafiki na kuwahadaa wapiga kura. Hatuhitaji viongozi waongo waongo. Tunataka wagombea wenye kusimamia kauli na misimamo yao.

 

[JokaKuu]

Kuhusu ZnZ na muungano alimpondaNyerere, je ameomba Radhi kwa hilo au ndio hivyo yeye ni mkuu wa watu wote

..TL alifuta kauli ambayo ilionekana kuwa amemvunjia heshima Mwalimu Nyerere.

..mbunge anapofuta kauli yake ndani ya bunge maana yake ni kwamba amekubali kuwa alikosea.

..lakini pia TL alieleza kwa kirefu kuwa nia yake haikuwa kumvunjia Mwalimu heshima yake bali kueleza makosa yaliyofanyika wakati tunaandika katiba ya muungano. Makosa hayo ndiyo yameendelea kuuandama muungano wetu mpaka leo hii.

 

[EvilSpirit]

Kweli namsapoti lissu ila sasa angekuwa anatusomea sera angejiongezea alama, instead of allocating much of his time kumzungumzia jiwe ambaye wananchi kwa mikono yao wenyewe oct 28 watamlipa jiwe ujira wake kadri ya matendo yake

 

[Kamongo]

Ni sawa tu, nyerere hakuwa sawa hata kidogo kabisa.. yule mzee angekuwepo leo haki the hague ingekuwa ni haki yake!!

Tafuta video za shekhe Ilunga alikuwa ana mshutumu waziwazi bila kuogopa,

 

[Retired]

Tundu Lissu's campaigning has been excellent - exposing the oppression of the current CCM leadership for all to see. Generally he has reduced attacks on previous leaders and directed his fire on to the current one. That is one of the brilliant tactics, to narrow the field of attack and isolate the enemy.

To attack Nyerere is to widen the field of attack and to bring the supporters of this current leadership back to his rescue bcause Nyerere is dearer in their hearts now than previously. It is true that the imperial presidency of Tz started with Nyerere, but the fact that Nyerere himself was uneasy with it in a public pronouncement shows a vast difference from the current one in the practice of presidentialism. That is the point to hammer home constantly.

If Lissu insists on including Nyerere, he should at least show this difference, and then he will continue to have the vast army of Nyerere's supporters in his fold or nearby. Remember that none of the previous presidents is running. Magufuli is! After the election, assuming Lissu wins, he can then go to town bashing any one in sight if they had a role in TZ' faulty political system.

Makes sense, but Nyerere was a human being and he committed a number of atrocities against his own people! All men are fallible, No man is infallible!

Read this book

Julius Nyerere
Servant of God or
Untarnished Tyrant
by Ludovic S Mwijage!

 

[August]

..TL alifuta kauli ambayo ilionekana kuwa amemvunjia heshima Mwalimu Nyerere.

..mbunge anapofuta kauli yake ndani ya bunge maana yake ni kwamba amekubali kuwa alikosea.

..lakini pia TL alieleza kwa kirefu kuwa nia yake haikuwa kumvunjia Mwalimu heshima yake bali kueleza makosa yaliyofanyika wakati tunaandika katiba ya muungano. Makosa hayo ndiyo yameendelea kuuandama muungano wetu mpaka leo hii.

Nashukuru kwa hilo, lakini alipokwenda ZNZ kupiga kampeni yake aliongelea kuhusu Nyerere na Muungano

 

[Manjagata]

Hivi Lissu anavyosema hataki awe Rais kama Nyerere, anaweza kujilinganisha na hata robo ya Nyerere kuzingatia nchi aliitoa wapi na kuifikisha wapi pamoja na magumu na changamoto alizopitia?

Hapo nafikri utakuwa hujamwelewa maana yake. Uzuri wa Lissu anatumia sana maandiko ya Nyerere kujenga hoja zake tofauti na mgombea wa chama chetu! Yule hajawahi hata kutaja msitari mmoja kutoka machapisho ya Nyerere!

 

[Missile of the Nation]

While I agree that Nyerere was a mastermind behind this imperial monarchy like constitution. It would be smarter for Mr Lissu to choose battles wisely. With all shortconings of Nyerere (Which are many), Nyerere has both internal and international respect, of which a part of it is rightly earned while the other is carefully crafted to give the nation a Superhero Role model. So it would be wise not to anatogonise the public in so far as Nyerere is concerned.

So use Nyereres positives to your advantage and leave aside his negatives atleast for this moment!

 

[zimmerman]

Hapo nafikri utakuwa hujamwelewa maana yake. Uzuri wa Lissu anatumia sana maandiko ya Nyerere kujenga hoja zake tofauti na mgombea wa chama chetu! Yule hajawahi hata kutaja msitari mmoja kutoka machapisho ya Nyerere!

Anaeleweka sana. Anamtumia Nyerere kuonyesha mapungufu ya katiba na utawala wa Nyerere na kwamba yeye hataki kuwa kama vile.

Hilo ni kosa kimkakati. Kama vile ambavyo hatuwezi kupuuza mazingira na harakati duni za kiuchumi za mababu zetu (maana kwa vyovyote vile ndizo zilizotukuza na kutufikisha hapa tulipo), hatuwezi kumwongelea Nyerere kama baba yetu wa taifa kwa namna ile anavyowakilishwa na Lissu.

Ni suala la namna ya uwasilishi wa hoja. Tulio wengi tunamwona Lissu anakandia ujamaa wa Nyerere (usingekua ujamaa Lissu huyu angepata fursa ya kwenda Ilboru?), anapuuza katiba iliyompa Rais Nyerere central authority badala ya kugawanya mamlaka kwenye majimbo n.k (bila mfumo huo nchi ingekuwa imegawanyika vipande vipande na central authority ya Rais ilifanya kujenga umoja wa kitaifa nchi hii inaojivunia nao).

Mambo yote anayoyahubiri Lissu kuwa serikali yake itafanya yanawezekana kufanyika ndani ya mifumo aliyoitengeneza Nyerere. Standing on the shoulders of giants maana yake ni kujenga juu ya msingi wa baba wa taifa. Yeyote atakayejenga juu ya msingi tofauti na ule uliokwishajengwa anataka kutwambia anataka ajenge Tanzania gani tena?

 

[Omusolopogasi]

Ukweli ni kwamba, Nyerere alikuwa na akili na busara ambayo CCM ya sasa haina. Nyerere mwenyewe alisema viongozi wakubali kusahihishwa na wajisahihishe wenyewe. Wakati yuko hai, aliwahi kuongelea makosa yake alipokuwa madarakani. Nyerere angemsikia Lissu leo angempongeza. Ila nyie mliojaa filosofia ya Magufuli ya kupenda sifa, mnamuona Lissu kama mtovu wa nidhamu. Haishangazi, mmekuwa brainswashed na Magufuli. Hata TL anapomsema Magufuli, mabusha huwashtuka kwa kutokuamini kuwa mapungufu ya Magufuli yaweza zungumzwa.

Halafu mambo mengine inaonekana ni miiko ya kabila lenu. Kwamba mtu akishazikwa, hastahili kuongelewa. Lakini mbona tunajifunza habari za wafu shuleni katika siasa na historia? Hata sayansi imejaa habari za wafu.

Hivi ni mgombea gani siku za nyuma aliwahi kutuambia "NYERERE ALIZOEA KUISHI KWA VYA KUNYONGA??"

Na sasa NYERERE huyo amebadilika nn kwake ilhali alimtuhumu akiwa tayari ametangulia mbele za haki?

Nafkiri mgombea huyo aendelee tu na msimamo wake coz kuacha sasa ni unafiki na kuwahadaa wapiga kura. Hatuhitaji viongozi waongo waongo. Tunataka wagombea wenye kusimamia kauli na misimamo yao.

 

[Omusolopogasi]

Ukweli ni kwamba, Nyerere alikuwa na akili na busara ambayo CCM ya sasa haina. Nyerere mwenyewe alisema viongozi wakubali kusahihishwa na wajisahihishe wenyewe. Wakati yuko hai, aliwahi kuongelea makosa yake alipokuwa madarakani. Nyerere angemsikia Lissu leo angempongeza. Ila nyie mliojaa filosofia ya Magufuli ya kupenda sifa, mnamuona Lissu kama mtovu wa nidhamu. Haishangazi, mmekuwa brainswashed na Magufuli. Hata TL anapomsema Magufuli, mabusha huwashtuka kwa kutokuamini kuwa mapungufu ya Magufuli yaweza zungumzwa.

Tundu Lissu's campaigning has been excellent - exposing the oppression of the current CCM leadership for all to see. Generally he has reduced attacks on previous leaders and directed his fire on to the current one. That is one of the brilliant tactics, to narrow the field of attack and isolate the enemy.

To attack Nyerere is to widen the field of attack and to bring the supporters of this current leadership back to his rescue bcause Nyerere is dearer in their hearts now than previously. It is true that the imperial presidency of Tz started with Nyerere, but the fact that Nyerere himself was uneasy with it in a public pronouncement shows a vast difference from the current one in the practice of presidentialism. That is the point to hammer home constantly.

If Lissu insists on including Nyerere, he should at least show this difference, and then he will continue to have the vast army of Nyerere's supporters in his fold or nearby. Remember that none of the previous presidents is running. Magufuli is! After the election, assuming Lissu wins, he can then go to town bashing any one in sight if they had a role in TZ' faulty political system.

 

[Gerald .M Magembe]

Tundu Lissu's campaigning has been excellent - exposing the oppression of the current CCM leadership for all to see. Generally he has reduced attacks on previous leaders and directed his fire on to the current one. That is one of the brilliant tactics, to narrow the field of attack and isolate the enemy.

To attack Nyerere is to widen the field of attack and to bring the supporters of this current leadership back to his rescue bcause Nyerere is dearer in their hearts now than previously. It is true that the imperial presidency of Tz started with Nyerere, but the fact that Nyerere himself was uneasy with it in a public pronouncement shows a vast difference from the current one in the practice of presidentialism. That is the point to hammer home constantly.

If Lissu insists on including Nyerere, he should at least show this difference, and then he will continue to have the vast army of Nyerere's supporters in his fold or nearby. Remember that none of the previous presidents is running. Magufuli is! After the election, assuming Lissu wins, he can then go to town bashing any one in sight if they had a role in TZ' faulty political system.

I have not written about Chadema Presidential candidate Mr Tundu Lissu before. It’s not a secret that I hold a particularly low opinion of him.
His selection as Presidential candidate by Mbowe and Ilks is one reason — among several — that I’ve had trouble recognising the Chadema Leadership.

Mr Lissu a narcissist with ungoverned mouth. There’s no other way we can account for Mr Lissu’s constant drivel of toxic matter from his beak. Either the man speaks before he thinks, or doesn’t apply his noggin at all. There’s no other plausible explanation for an audio clip of Mr Lissu planning the disenfranchisement — and calling for mass Demonstration if he looses Presidential election. If Lissu loses election ||||||||| A narcissistic personality disorder, if you loose so what ?