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[jMali]

but also if jamiiforums could help me to uncover you(jMali) the bodies of my relatives killed during the genocide probably could be discovered and bury them with respect...untill now we have discovered only two bodies in a family of nine... thanks to umuganda(community work), a guy denounced interahamwe ideology and directed us where the body of my Aunt and her little girl(baby) were dumped.

You wouldn't understand this and probably not believe, but to cut the long story short. If i were to claim to be rwandese then i'd definitely be Tutsi not Hutu. So i guess i'd be charged with being RNC, or sympathizer or whatever charges Tutsi opposition members face. it would be ridiculous to call me interahamwe wouldn't it?

 

[jMali]

Ooooh...finally MR. FACTS asiye na msimamo. "OOOOhhhh I will never reply to mchambawima1 again" sasa mbona umem mention? Kuwa na msimamo kama mwanaume wewe. Unless you are not one.

mwanamke naye ni mtu vile vile so no offense taken. But what can be more feminine than using multiple IDs mr mchambawima1,00ps i mean mahoro, ...sorry...i meant lawmamaina78, no i meant that other ID with an actual female name i can't recall with a pretty profile pic....my goodness what i meant was...MURUTONGORE!

 

[JustDoItNow]

Hawa jamaa hawafai kabisa!!! Jana kuna muathilika mwingine wa jMali anaitwa Joka Kuu, yani mi nilifikiri naelimishana na mtu mwenye akili zake baadae nikaja kugundua kumbe ni ule ukoo wa JustDoItNow, akaanza kuniletea ushabiki wa simba na yanga... Mwanzoni alianza na gia nzito kwa tu point tuwili tutatu nikafikiri ni mtu mstaarabu lakini jinsi tulivyoendeleza mjadala wetu nikagundua kumbe naongea na mtambo wa jMali, afadhali ya jMali ambaye yuko kazini kuikosanisha nchi yake na dunia yote hao wengine ni vijibwa koko, hata haujakosea...hawajuwi ya kwamba maendeleo tunayojenga Rwanda hayaturuhusu kufiria mambo ya vita lakini atakaye ianzisha lazima tumpe za uso kama kawaida yetu, kumbuka mara zote tumekuwa tukiingizwa kwenye vita na nchi zisizo na ajenda(nothing to lose) ushauri wangu ni kwamba vita haina maana cha muhimu ni kuzishughulisha serikali zao zijali mahitaji yao kwani ni jambo la lazima! Vita inaharibu vilivyojengwa, isingekuwa hivyo US leo ingekuwa isha ingia Russia lakini kwa sababu ya kulinda walivyofikia wanabaki kutupiana maneno tu.
Labda waseme eti sisi ndio tunawaulia mazeruzeru wao, au sisi ndio tuliocheza dili la ESCRAW, au sisi ndio tumewanyima dawa mahospitalini, au maaskari wetu ndio wanasimama kwenye barabara za bongo kutafuta rushwa usiku na mchana... Vinginevyo jMali atawatokea puani.

Mzee wa sumu hata ukijishaua vipi, mkongoto upo pale paleeeeeeeee
Hizo ni mbwembwe tu. Hilo jeshi la rwanda wengi walikuwa huku bongo, na wewe mwenyewe huko bongo. sasa kelele za nini? umelelewa bongo. Tuna mbinu nyingi za kumdhibiti kagame. Sasa mwambie aje awafate hao interahamwe TZ basi. Hacha kupigana kwa maneno

 

[Koba]

You wouldn't understand this and probably not believe, but to cut the long story short. If i were to claim to be rwandese then i'd definitely be Tutsi not Hutu. So i guess i'd be charged with being RNC, or sympathizer or whatever charges Tutsi opposition members face. it would be ridiculous to call me interahamwe wouldn't it?

When ignorant folks try to advertise their ignorance, you don't really have to do anything, just let them talk-Pres.Obama

 

[murutongore]

You wouldn't understand this and probably not believe, but to cut the long story short. If i were to claim to be rwandese then i'd definitely be Tutsi not Hutu. So i guess i'd be charged with being RNC, or sympathizer or whatever charges Tutsi opposition members face. it would be ridiculous to call me interahamwe wouldn't it?

just like it would be ridiculous to call robert kajuga interahamwe..nilishakwambia wewe ni interllectual lakini wewe unakataa

 

[jMali]

When ignorant folks try to advertise their ignorance, you don't really have to do anything, just let them talk-Pres.Obama

since you are talking, you must be fellow ignorant.:tonguez:

 

[jMali]

just like it would be ridiculous to call robert kajuga interahamwe..nilishakwambia wewe ni interllectual lakini wewe unakataa

No problem let me agree with you: robert kajuga wasn't interahamwe, thats ridiculous, he was only their NATIONAL PRESIDENT that planned and executed the interahamwe killings, He died in jail serving a life sentence not because of any interahamwe activity he did but maybe wizi wa kuku or something...HAPPY?

" Arusha, November 09, 2010 (FH) - Former close Protection Officer for Rwandan President Paul Kagame alleged before the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) Tuesday that President of Interahamwe militia of the ruling MRND party in 1994, Robert Kajuga worked for the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) now in power in Kigali.
''It is not only Kajuga who worked for the RPF but there were many others from the government.'' Aloys Ruyenzi, former close protection officer to President Kagame told the court in the defence case of the former MRND President, Mathieu Ngirumpatse.

When asked by Don Webster, the Prosecuting counsel to say more about Kajuga, Ruyenzi responded ''he was Tutsi working for the RPF to kill members of the population.''

Earlier during examination in chief by defence co-counsel, Frédéric Weyl, the witness explained ''RPF did not care to kill members of the population when they infiltrated Kigali town.''

He told the court that members of the RPF were sent to Kigali town to infiltrate into the population, at roadblocks and in the public transport where they carried out killings against the population in a bid to hold power by force.
''All the crimes perpetrated by RPF were attributed to the Rwanda government. They were people who lived and worked with me and when they come back from missions they would tell me about the killings they committed,'' Ruyenzi explained.

The trial continues Wednesday.

Ngirumpatse and his co-accused, former MRND vice-president Edouard Karemera, are charged mainly with crimes allegedly committed by members of their party and Interahamwe militiamen of their youth wing.
"
source: http://www.hirondellenews.com/ictr-...orked-for-rpf-according-to-witness-1365913659

 

[Bavaria]

..wewe ni genocide perpetrator.

..how many Hutu, and Congolese, women and children, have you killed?

..kwanini unagwaya kujibu swali hili dogo: Je, unaunga mkono kuundwa kwa mahakama ya kimataifa ya crimes against humanity zilizotokea DRC?

cc jMali, Bulldog

JF limeshaanza kuwa jukwaa la propaganda za kinyarwanda

 

[Fugwe]

unaweza niambia watanzania mnahistoria gani na INTERAHAMWE? kwani naona mnawatetea sana!

Hapana tuna historia na inkhotanyi (RDF) hahahahhaha. Hatuna mafungamano na wauaji kama inkhotanyi

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

Hapana tuna historia na inkhotanyi (RDF) hahahahhaha. Hatuna mafungamano na wauaji kama inkhotanyi

lakini mnamafungamano na majenosider!!

 

[murutongore]

No problem let me agree with you: robert kajuga wasn't interahamwe, thats ridiculous, he was only their NATIONAL PRESIDENT that planned and executed the interahamwe killings, He died in jail serving a life sentence not because of any interahamwe activity he did but maybe wizi wa kuku or something...HAPPY?

" Arusha, November 09, 2010 (FH) - Former close Protection Officer for Rwandan President Paul Kagame alleged before the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) Tuesday that President of Interahamwe militia of the ruling MRND party in 1994, Robert Kajuga worked for the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) now in power in Kigali.
''It is not only Kajuga who worked for the RPF but there were many others from the government.'' Aloys Ruyenzi, former close protection officer to President Kagame told the court in the defence case of the former MRND President, Mathieu Ngirumpatse.

When asked by Don Webster, the Prosecuting counsel to say more about Kajuga, Ruyenzi responded ''he was Tutsi working for the RPF to kill members of the population.''

Earlier during examination in chief by defence co-counsel, Frédéric Weyl, the witness explained ''RPF did not care to kill members of the population when they infiltrated Kigali town.''

He told the court that members of the RPF were sent to Kigali town to infiltrate into the population, at roadblocks and in the public transport where they carried out killings against the population in a bid to hold power by force.
''All the crimes perpetrated by RPF were attributed to the Rwanda government. They were people who lived and worked with me and when they come back from missions they would tell me about the killings they committed,'' Ruyenzi explained.

The trial continues Wednesday.

Ngirumpatse and his co-accused, former MRND vice-president Edouard Karemera, are charged mainly with crimes allegedly committed by members of their party and Interahamwe militiamen of their youth wing.
"
source: http://www.hirondellenews.com/ictr-...orked-for-rpf-according-to-witness-1365913659

Source inajieleza yenyewe. Nakuonea huruma sana.

 

[mchambawima1]

You wouldn't understand this and probably not believe, but to cut the long story short. If i were to claim to be rwandese then i'd definitely be Tutsi not Hutu. So i guess i'd be charged with being RNC, or sympathizer or whatever charges Tutsi opposition members face. it would be ridiculous to call me interahamwe wouldn't it?

Nope!!! Being called Interahamwe in Rwanda today doesn't necessarily mean Hutu, Tutsi or whatever... It is rather the ideology! Your said it your self several times that the president of Interahamwe was Tutsi, right? Now days we consider the world "Interahamwe" as being an xtrimist, period! RNC, FDLR and all war mongers.
By the way big up to my homies MUKAMASIMBA, Murutongore, TalkAndTalk, Commmanche, Koba and many others, they are doing great, bringing you to light and we will make sure your contract from Paris no longer prolonged.

 

[mchambawima1]

You wouldn't understand this and probably not believe, but to cut the long story short. If i were to claim to be rwandese then i'd definitely be Tutsi not Hutu. So i guess i'd be charged with being RNC, or sympathizer or whatever charges Tutsi opposition members face. it would be ridiculous to call me interahamwe wouldn't it?

Nope!!! Being called Interahamwe in Rwanda today doesn't necessarily mean Hutu, Tutsi or whatever... It is rather the ideology! Your said it your self several times that the president of Interahamwe was Tutsi, right? Now days we consider the word "Interahamwe" as being an xtrimist or discriminative, period! like RNC, FDLR and all war mongers.
By the way big up to my homies MUKAMASIMBA, Murutongore, TalkAndTalk, Commmanche, Koba and many others, they are doing great, bringing you to light and we will make sure your contract from Paris no longer prolonged.

 

[JokaKuu]

JF limeshaanza kuwa jukwaa la propaganda za kinyarwanda

..hujakosea.

..kuna wakati walikuja hapa na kudai Mama Salma Kikwete ni Mhutu na hicho ndicho kilichomsukuma JK kutuma JWTZ kuwatwanga M23.

..jamaa aliniita mimi "genocide denier" ndiyo ukaona uungwana ukanishinda.

 

[mchambawima1]

..hujakosea.

..kuna wakati walikuja hapa na kudai Mama Salma Kikwete ni Mhutu na hicho ndicho kilichomsukuma JK kutuma JWTZ kuwatwanga M23.

..jamaa aliniita mimi "genocide denier" ndiyo ukaona uungwana ukanishinda.

uungwana gani uliokushinda? wewe ni mnafiki, na Genocide denier! when you pretend to not understand the difference between the victims of war and those of the Genocide then which name should I call you? Idiot? or you have a better name?

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

No problem let me agree with you: robert kajuga wasn't interahamwe, thats ridiculous, he was only their NATIONAL PRESIDENT that planned and executed the interahamwe killings, He died in jail serving a life sentence not because of any interahamwe activity he did but maybe wizi wa kuku or something...HAPPY?

" Arusha, November 09, 2010 (FH) - Former close Protection Officer for Rwandan President Paul Kagame alleged before the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) Tuesday that President of Interahamwe militia of the ruling MRND party in 1994, Robert Kajuga worked for the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) now in power in Kigali.
''It is not only Kajuga who worked for the RPF but there were many others from the government.'' Aloys Ruyenzi, former close protection officer to President Kagame told the court in the defence case of the former MRND President, Mathieu Ngirumpatse.

When asked by Don Webster, the Prosecuting counsel to say more about Kajuga, Ruyenzi responded ''he was Tutsi working for the RPF to kill members of the population.''

Earlier during examination in chief by defence co-counsel, Frédéric Weyl, the witness explained ''RPF did not care to kill members of the population when they infiltrated Kigali town.''

He told the court that members of the RPF were sent to Kigali town to infiltrate into the population, at roadblocks and in the public transport where they carried out killings against the population in a bid to hold power by force.
''All the crimes perpetrated by RPF were attributed to the Rwanda government. They were people who lived and worked with me and when they come back from missions they would tell me about the killings they committed,'' Ruyenzi explained.

The trial continues Wednesday.

Ngirumpatse and his co-accused, former MRND vice-president Edouard Karemera, are charged mainly with crimes allegedly committed by members of their party and Interahamwe militiamen of their youth wing.
"
source: http://www.hirondellenews.com/ictr-...orked-for-rpf-according-to-witness-1365913659

we JMALI kutokana na hii story yako huoni kama hawa wahutu wenye ideology ya genocide walimtumia kajuga ili baadae waje kumshutumu eti alikua akishirikiana na RPF?kama vile walivyo itungua ndege ili baadae lawama wazitie kwa RPF! hawakutegemea kama wangeshindwa haya walikua wameyapanga na wafaransa lakini plan yao iliharibika,wako watusi wengi tu walioshirikishwa katika hayo mauaji si kajuga tu kwani baadhi yao walikua wamejigeuza wahutu ili waweze kuishi katika hayo mazingira ya kibaguzi,wengine walishurutushwa kwanguvu kushiriki mauaji wakifikiri hawatauwawa lakini mwishowe wengi wao waliuawa,so kwangu mimi siajabu kusikia kwamba kajuga alikua mtusi na kiongozi wa interahamwe ni kama vile kabila mkubwa alikua kiongozi wa mapinduzi wakati wapiganaji na waendesha harakati ni wanyarwanda,na huyo kajuga alikua kawekwa pale ili ajekutumiwa baada ya genocide kuepuka kuhukumiwa kwa kosa la genocide.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

No problem let me agree with you: robert kajuga wasn't interahamwe, thats ridiculous, he was only their NATIONAL PRESIDENT that planned and executed the interahamwe killings, He died in jail serving a life sentence not because of any interahamwe activity he did but maybe wizi wa kuku or something...HAPPY?

" Arusha, November 09, 2010 (FH) - Former close Protection Officer for Rwandan President Paul Kagame alleged before the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) Tuesday that President of Interahamwe militia of the ruling MRND party in 1994, Robert Kajuga worked for the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) now in power in Kigali.
''It is not only Kajuga who worked for the RPF but there were many others from the government.'' Aloys Ruyenzi, former close protection officer to President Kagame told the court in the defence case of the former MRND President, Mathieu Ngirumpatse.

When asked by Don Webster, the Prosecuting counsel to say more about Kajuga, Ruyenzi responded ''he was Tutsi working for the RPF to kill members of the population.''

Earlier during examination in chief by defence co-counsel, Frédéric Weyl, the witness explained ''RPF did not care to kill members of the population when they infiltrated Kigali town.''

He told the court that members of the RPF were sent to Kigali town to infiltrate into the population, at roadblocks and in the public transport where they carried out killings against the population in a bid to hold power by force.
''All the crimes perpetrated by RPF were attributed to the Rwanda government. They were people who lived and worked with me and when they come back from missions they would tell me about the killings they committed,'' Ruyenzi explained.

The trial continues Wednesday.

Ngirumpatse and his co-accused, former MRND vice-president Edouard Karemera, are charged mainly with crimes allegedly committed by members of their party and Interahamwe militiamen of their youth wing.
"
source: http://www.hirondellenews.com/ictr-...orked-for-rpf-according-to-witness-1365913659

wewe JMALI inaonekana huelewi maana ya genocide ngoja kwanza nikupatie kidogo GENOCIDE IS.The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.-UPO HAPO??
Sasa tuje kwa case ya kajuga...chakwanza walengwa walikua watusi(ethinic group),mauaji yalifanyika rwanda nzima ni kusema kwamba kulikuwepo coordination(the systematic and wide spread extermination) sasa haijalishi captain watimu ni nani mambo yote hufanywa na kocha na managers wa timu(planners) yule hakujua anafanya nini kwani hata familia yake ndio ilikua ya kwanza kuawa kweli utakua kiongozi wahuo mpango mzima halafu wafyeke familia yako yote??? hilo swali nalikuachia wewe JMALI.

 

[jMali]

we JMALI kutokana na hii story yako huoni kama hawa wahutu wenye ideology ya genocide walimtumia kajuga ili baadae waje kumshutumu eti alikua akishirikiana na RPF?kama vile walivyo itungua ndege ili baadae lawama wazitie kwa RPF! hawakutegemea kama wangeshindwa haya walikua wameyapanga na wafaransa lakini plan yao iliharibika,wako watusi wengi tu walioshirikishwa katika hayo mauaji si kajuga tu kwani baadhi yao walikua wamejigeuza wahutu ili waweze kuishi katika hayo mazingira ya kibaguzi,wengine walishurutushwa kwanguvu kushiriki mauaji wakifikiri hawatauwawa lakini mwishowe wengi wao waliuawa,so kwangu mimi siajabu kusikia kwamba kajuga alikua mtusi na kiongozi wa interahamwe ni kama vile kabila mkubwa alikua kiongozi wa mapinduzi wakati wapiganaji na waendesha harakati ni wanyarwanda,na huyo kajuga alikua kawekwa pale ili ajekutumiwa baada ya genocide kuepuka kuhukumiwa kwa kosa la genocide.

kajuga alishathibitika ICTR kuwa alikuwa RPF spy along side wale "mashahidi" wengine ambao waliumbuliwa na upande wa utetezi na mahakama ikaridhia kuwaondoa kwenye orodha ya mashahidi. Theory zako zote zimekufa!

 

[jMali]

wewe JMALI inaonekana huelewi maana ya genocide ngoja kwanza nikupatie kidogo GENOCIDE IS.The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.-UPO HAPO??
Sasa tuje kwa case ya kajuga...chakwanza walengwa walikua watusi(ethinic group),mauaji yalifanyika rwanda nzima ni kusema kwamba kulikuwepo coordination(the systematic and wide spread extermination) sasa haijalishi captain watimu ni nani mambo yote hufanywa na kocha na managers wa timu(planners) yule hakujua anafanya nini kwani hata familia yake ndio ilikua ya kwanza kuawa kweli utakua kiongozi wahuo mpango mzima halafu wafyeke familia yako yote??? hilo swali nalikuachia wewe JMALI.

1. ICTR has already proved there was no planning, coordination..none of the sort, kama unabishana nayo fine!
2. Wewe na wenzio ndio huwa mnasema interahamwe, FAR na sasa FDLR wote ni genocidaires kwa ujumla wao, unaposema kuwa THE NATIONAL LEADER OF INTERAHAMWE alikuwa hajui INTERAHAMWE kazi yake nini unachekesha! Halafu wapi umepata kuwa familia ya kajuga ilikuwa ya kwanza kuuawa? au ndio stori za zitto na malumbesa? kinachojulikana ni kuwa kajuga alimficha kaka yake "hotel Rwanda", akalindwa na MHUTU Paul rusesabagina, ambaye leo hii WEWE na paul kagame mnamshitaki for "terrorism" among other things! Please prove hilo. lakini mwisho kabisa, kama version yako ya innoncence ni kweli, why was he sentenced to life in jail, while somebody like Gen. Rwakarabije, the CO-FOUNDER and FIRST COMMANDER OF FDLR is now living peaceful as the HEAD OF PRISON? sometimes propaganda zenu zinajiaibisha zenyewe....

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

1. ICTR has already proved there was no planning, coordination..none of the sort, kama unabishana nayo fine!
2. Wewe na wenzio ndio huwa mnasema interahamwe, FAR na sasa FDLR wote ni genocidaires kwa ujumla wao, unaposema kuwa THE NATIONAL LEADER OF INTERAHAMWE alikuwa hajui INTERAHAMWE kazi yake nini unachekesha! Halafu wapi umepata kuwa familia ya kajuga ilikuwa ya kwanza kuuawa? au ndio stori za zitto na malumbesa? kinachojulikana ni kuwa kajuga alimficha kaka yake "hotel Rwanda", akalindwa na MHUTU Paul rusesabagina, ambaye leo hii WEWE na paul kagame mnamshitaki for "terrorism" among other things! Please prove hilo. lakini mwisho kabisa, kama version yako ya innoncence ni kweli, why was he sentenced to life in jail, while somebody like Gen. Rwakarabije, the CO-FOUNDER and FIRST COMMANDER OF FDLR is now living peaceful as the HEAD OF PRISON? sometimes propaganda zenu zinajiaibisha zenyewe....

wewe ni kichekesho....rwarakabije alikua na cheo gani katika interahamwe?au alikua akifanya kazi gani katika interahamwe?