IamLee
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Who said that? A blogger like you and i? Or KPA... credible sources bro, CREDIBLE!!! that project was planned, it wasn't guess work ama kubahatisha
Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
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Geza Ulole
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I advise u to read the report first if u even have no idea from whom were those concerns raised...
IamLee
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You mean alphonce from the standard? Which experts are those haha... Tjose are People looking for money... If kenya can't pay with its economy then how can Tanzania afford an even more expensive one with their economy.... Maaan come ooon! common sense counts some time, don't just believe every freaking thing you are fed in, have a time to take your opinion
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Kenya is able to repay the loan in 2 years, from Passengers using economy class only! i.e those paying 700 shillings. In 2 years, they will have paid the loan. Money from cargo and other services can be used to better the rail and pay workers.
But still Kenya can repay the loan in 10 years, paying a small amount while the rest goes into the economy!!
No Day a Tanzanian will ever understand economics to Kenyan levels!
Advice to Tanzanians, Better be concerned about your Merkez line and how economical it will be. As a Kenyan, i don't care if it will make losses to you or not!!
Wonder why Tanzanians are poky in things that do not concern them!!!
Somehow????????
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Hahah a mining country compared with flower producing country...
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Can you bring forward the break down of how the fee from economy class can pay back around $4 bln (including interest) of loan from Chinese? The World Bank says Kenya cannot...!
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It is already posted herein. From official Ministry of Transport sources. In facts it is 1 and a half years.
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People are enjoying the SGR, I wish it could have been completed to Kisumu!! I envy people having business in Mombasa and Nairobi!!
And the Cargo is Going to destinations safely and fast
And the Cargo is Going to destinations safely and fast
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The passengers are too many for two trips to handle
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Mambo Swari huku kwenye Madaraka Express
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Basically what is being shown here is that the stations are already overwhelmed and need expansion!! Daaah
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This is where the BRT and light Rail will come in Handy
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Ground breaking by the Presidents soon
Mkataba Maboresho Bandari ya Dar es Salaam Wasainiwa!
• Rais kuweka Jiwe la Msingi hivi karibuni
• Ujenzi wa gati jipya maalumu la Magari
• Lango la bandari kuboreshwa
• Kina cha maji kuongezwa hadi mita 15.5
• Bandari kuhudumia mzigo hadi tani Milioni 28
• Rwanda, Burundi, DRC, Uganda na Zambia kunufaika na SGR
• Bandari kunufaika na kondolewa kwa VAT kwenye ‘transit goods’
Juni 10, 2017:
Mamlaka ya Usimamizi wa Bandari Tanzania (TPA) na Kampuni ya Ukandarasi ya kutoka nchini China inayofahamika kama China Harbour Engineering Company Limited (CHEC) kwa pamoja wamesaini mkataba wa kuanza rasmi kwa kazi ya maboresho ya Bandari ya Dar es Salaam.
Waziri wa Ujenzi, Uchukuzi na Mawasiliano, Prof. Makame Mbarawa (MB.) ameshuhudia tukio la uwekaji saini wa mkataba huku akisema kwamba ni historia kwa nchi yetu na kutoa wito kwa mkandarasi kuifanya kazi hiyo kwa weledi kwa kuzingatia makubaliano yaliyopo na kamba Serikali haitavumilia ubabaishaji.
“Leo tunaanza kuandika upya historia ya Bandari ya Dar es Salaam ambapo tutashuhudia kazi hii ikianza na ujenzi wa gati la kuteremshia magari, kazi ya kuongeza nguvu na kuchimba kina cha maji katika gati namba 1 mpaka 7 pamoja na kuweka vifaa vya kisasa vya kupakia na kupakulia mizigo, pia tumemuomba mkandarasi apunguze muda wa ujenzi na kuteremsha bei na amekubali,” amesema Prof. Mbarawa.
Pamoja na hilo Waziri ameongeza kwa bandari kuwa na kina kirefu ni jambo moja na haitoshelezi ndio maana Serikali imeamua pia kujenga reli mpya ya kisasa ya SGR yenye uwezo wa kubeba mzigo mkubwa na kuwezesha treni kutembea kwa mwendo wa kasi zaidi wa kilomita 120 kwa saa.
“Kupitia reli hiyo mpya ya kisasa tunayoijenga (SGR), tunaamini tunaweza kushindana na bandari nyingine, nitoe mfano mdogo tu katika nchi jirani yenye bandari wao wamejenga SGR ambayo kusafirisha mzigo mpaka Kigali Rwanda (takribani kilomita 1,600) inawachukua saa 23 kufika Rwanda wakati kutoka bandari ya Tanzania mpaka Kigali (takribani kilomita 1,400) itatuchukua saa 13 pekee kufika Rwanda, jambo hili litawafanya Wafanyabiashara wengi kuitumia Bandari ya Dar es Salaam zaidi kutokana na kuwa na muda mfupi zaidi wa kusafirisha mizigo,” amefafanua Prof. Mbarawa.
Kwa upande mwingine Prof. Mbarawa amesema, “Nataka nitoe angalizo mapema kwa mkandarasi kwamba Serikali hii ipo makini (serious) na tunatarajia kazi hii itakamilika kwa kiwango na kwa mujibu wa makubaliano na hatutataka kuona viwango tulivyokubaliana havitekelezwi hatuvumilia jambo hilo hata kidogo,” amesisitiza Prof. Mbarawa.
Kwa upande wake Mkurugenzi Mkuu wa TPA, Eng. Deusdedit Kakoko amesema, “Hadi kufikia mwaka 2025, TPA itaweza kuongeza mzigo kutoka tani za sasa milioni 14 kwenda mpaka tani milioni 28 mwaka 2022 na kama tusingejenga kwa mwaka huo wa 2022 tungeweza kuwa na tani milioni 20 kwa hiyo hii nguvu ambayo Serikali imeingiza itatuongezea ziada ya tani milioni 8,” amefafanua Eng. Kakoko.
Mradi huu umegawanyika sehemu mbili ambapo sehemu ya pili itahusisha kuchimba lango la kuingilia meli ili kupata mita 15. Sehemu ya kwanza inatarajiwa kuhusisha ujenzi wa gati jipya la kupakua mzigo wa magari (ro-ro), uimarishaji na uongezaji wa kina cha maji gati 1-7
Mkataba Maboresho Bandari ya Dar es Salaam Wasainiwa!
• Rais kuweka Jiwe la Msingi hivi karibuni
• Ujenzi wa gati jipya maalumu la Magari
• Lango la bandari kuboreshwa
• Kina cha maji kuongezwa hadi mita 15.5
• Bandari kuhudumia mzigo hadi tani Milioni 28
• Rwanda, Burundi, DRC, Uganda na Zambia kunufaika na SGR
• Bandari kunufaika na kondolewa kwa VAT kwenye ‘transit goods’
Juni 10, 2017:
Mamlaka ya Usimamizi wa Bandari Tanzania (TPA) na Kampuni ya Ukandarasi ya kutoka nchini China inayofahamika kama China Harbour Engineering Company Limited (CHEC) kwa pamoja wamesaini mkataba wa kuanza rasmi kwa kazi ya maboresho ya Bandari ya Dar es Salaam.
Waziri wa Ujenzi, Uchukuzi na Mawasiliano, Prof. Makame Mbarawa (MB.) ameshuhudia tukio la uwekaji saini wa mkataba huku akisema kwamba ni historia kwa nchi yetu na kutoa wito kwa mkandarasi kuifanya kazi hiyo kwa weledi kwa kuzingatia makubaliano yaliyopo na kamba Serikali haitavumilia ubabaishaji.
“Leo tunaanza kuandika upya historia ya Bandari ya Dar es Salaam ambapo tutashuhudia kazi hii ikianza na ujenzi wa gati la kuteremshia magari, kazi ya kuongeza nguvu na kuchimba kina cha maji katika gati namba 1 mpaka 7 pamoja na kuweka vifaa vya kisasa vya kupakia na kupakulia mizigo, pia tumemuomba mkandarasi apunguze muda wa ujenzi na kuteremsha bei na amekubali,” amesema Prof. Mbarawa.
Pamoja na hilo Waziri ameongeza kwa bandari kuwa na kina kirefu ni jambo moja na haitoshelezi ndio maana Serikali imeamua pia kujenga reli mpya ya kisasa ya SGR yenye uwezo wa kubeba mzigo mkubwa na kuwezesha treni kutembea kwa mwendo wa kasi zaidi wa kilomita 120 kwa saa.
“Kupitia reli hiyo mpya ya kisasa tunayoijenga (SGR), tunaamini tunaweza kushindana na bandari nyingine, nitoe mfano mdogo tu katika nchi jirani yenye bandari wao wamejenga SGR ambayo kusafirisha mzigo mpaka Kigali Rwanda (takribani kilomita 1,600) inawachukua saa 23 kufika Rwanda wakati kutoka bandari ya Tanzania mpaka Kigali (takribani kilomita 1,400) itatuchukua saa 13 pekee kufika Rwanda, jambo hili litawafanya Wafanyabiashara wengi kuitumia Bandari ya Dar es Salaam zaidi kutokana na kuwa na muda mfupi zaidi wa kusafirisha mizigo,” amefafanua Prof. Mbarawa.
Kwa upande mwingine Prof. Mbarawa amesema, “Nataka nitoe angalizo mapema kwa mkandarasi kwamba Serikali hii ipo makini (serious) na tunatarajia kazi hii itakamilika kwa kiwango na kwa mujibu wa makubaliano na hatutataka kuona viwango tulivyokubaliana havitekelezwi hatuvumilia jambo hilo hata kidogo,” amesisitiza Prof. Mbarawa.
Kwa upande wake Mkurugenzi Mkuu wa TPA, Eng. Deusdedit Kakoko amesema, “Hadi kufikia mwaka 2025, TPA itaweza kuongeza mzigo kutoka tani za sasa milioni 14 kwenda mpaka tani milioni 28 mwaka 2022 na kama tusingejenga kwa mwaka huo wa 2022 tungeweza kuwa na tani milioni 20 kwa hiyo hii nguvu ambayo Serikali imeingiza itatuongezea ziada ya tani milioni 8,” amefafanua Eng. Kakoko.
Mradi huu umegawanyika sehemu mbili ambapo sehemu ya pili itahusisha kuchimba lango la kuingilia meli ili kupata mita 15. Sehemu ya kwanza inatarajiwa kuhusisha ujenzi wa gati jipya la kupakua mzigo wa magari (ro-ro), uimarishaji na uongezaji wa kina cha maji gati 1-7
IamLee
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but you cant compare the flower exporting country's GDP to your mining country
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We export flowers too n the gap is pretty little..nothing to boast about
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You may be right on this Geza, Sh 700 X 1200 Passengers X 10 (Trips per day, Five from Both Sides) X 365 days
=Sh 3,066,000,000 in a year
327,000,000,000/3,066,000,000 =101 years!!!!!!!!!!!
If factored in the TEUs
Sh. 50,000 X 160 TEU's X 30 Trips Per day(From Both Sides) X 365 days = 8,760,000,000 +3,066,000,000 =11,826,000,000
327,000,000,000/11,826,000,000 = 28 Years!!!
Even if we add the first class the minimum time this thing can be paid for is 30 years
If wear and tear is considered and payments to workers, the least time possible for repayment is 50 Years!!
Hatari hiii!!
But i don't know the maths involved in all this scenario, that is just my guess
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At Mombasa!! So lovely, beyond description
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There is no comparison to the SGR so far in this region including Ethiopia
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