Don't you think its only fair that when you brag about how something was built in comparison to another when the end product is exactly the same, then you should throw in some specifics? Thats why i used "unless". Now would you care to tell us how much money and time was saved?
Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
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Kigamboni bridge was built this way.None of what you have shown from Tazara are bridges built using hanging basket technology, but I'm not sure you will even undeerstand if I try to explain it to you. Hanging basket technology, the horizontal structure of the bridge is built on the spot, One team works from one side of the pillar and another team works from the other side, and they both meet at the middle, The horizontal structure ends up looking like and arch or a series of archs.
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Unaona vile daraja limejengwa hapo hapo, nusu kutoka upande mmoja na nusu nyengine kutoka upande mwengine alafu wanakutana kati kati !!
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has been found to be the best option for the terrain when compared with other bridge construction techniques.
Chinese Engineers Tackle Kenya’s Toughest Railway
The Chinese are using the hanging basket technique to tackle challenges.www.constructionkenya.com
“In bridge construction, the hanging basket is a very important construction tool. The components include the hanging system, travelling system, bearing structure, anchor unit and operation platform,” Mr Liu said on Tuesday during a media tour of the project.
The hanging basket is basically a structure that is able to move along the top of the girder, anchored on the already completed pillar and the method is used to pour concrete symmetrically from two ends of a bridge to their respective middle span at the same time.
The Sh150 billion railway will go over cliffs and into four tunnels covering 7.756 kilometres tunneled through Ngong Hills.
The railway will have 27 bridges covering 17.3 kilometres, which is 14.4 per cent of total project length. Six per cent of the railway will comprise three tunnels spanning 7.14 kilometres.
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Geza Ulole
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Now u buid a rail that can accomodate say 22 mln tonnes a year then u bought locomotives n wagons with axle load 25 tonnes! and worst enough none of the engine can pull 100 wagons! Mind u the SGR is a single line! Huu ndio ufalamanga naokuambia kila siku! BTW according to today's report that SGR costed $5 bln and not $4.3 bln as was said before!
$1.5b Naivasha inland container stays idle a month after launch
SUNDAY FEBRUARY 2 2020
Kenya’s Suswa station during the commissioning of SGR Phase 2A. Kenya is hoping to increase the volumes of transit cargo being transported on the SGR. About 30 per cent of all cargo coming through Mombasa Port goes to neighbouring countries. PHOTO | SALATON NJAU | NMG
In Summary
- The ICD contractor is yet to complete the facility in which the government has invested $65.7 million.
- Projections show that the soonest it will be ready is April.
- Kenya’s plan to be the transport corridor of choice faces competition from Tanzania.
By NJIRAINI MUCHIRA
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Kenya’s Naivasha inland container depot (ICD) has not received a cargo train more than a month after President Uhuru Kenyatta launched freight operations to the Rift Valley town, raising queries on the cause of the delay.
On December 17 last year, President Kenyatta launched the extended standard gauge railway (SGR) freight services from Mombasa to the Naivasha ICD, promising faster transportation of cargo to western Kenya and on to neighbouring countries.
The controversial SGR project has so far cost $5 billion in Chinese loans, with no clarity yet on its viability and Kenya’s ability to repay the massive debt.
“As we mark the completion of Naivasha ICD and commencement of freight operations, it is our expectation that these new transport infrastructure facilities will significantly support and provide anchorage for the development of the Naivasha Industrial Park,” President Kenyatta said at the launch last month at the SGR Nairobi terminus.
He said two trains would initially serve the Naivasha ICD with cargo destined for neighbouring countries, and that two shipping lines had committed to transport goods directly from Mombasa to Naivasha.
However, the $1.5 billion SGR Phase 2A facility is lying idle more than a month after the commissioning.
The Naivasha ICD is at the heart of Kenya’s ambition to become the transport corridor of choice for neighbouring countries.
The plan is facing competition from Tanzania’s central corridor.
Only the Madaraka Express passenger service launched in October last year has been running on Phase 2A, operating three trains per week from Nairobi to Suswa, some 120 kilometres.
The ICD contractor is yet to complete the facility in which the government has invested $65.7 million. Projections show that the soonest it will be ready is April.
“They are trying to rush the works, but if they go at a normal pace it can only be ready by July,” said a Customs agent who requested anonymity as he is not authorised to speak to the media.
The idle Nairobi-Naivasha line again brings into focus the viability of the entire SGR project.
“Kenya must find a way to make the SGR profitable particularly the return trip to Mombasa that is often empty,” said Mark Meassick, the mission director for Kenya and East Africa at the US Agency for International Development.
Incomplete infrastructure
Construction of the facility is said to be 70 per cent done, with key facilities such as the road linking it to the Mai Mahiu Narok road, internet and electricity connections, business blocks and other infrastructure being far from completion.
Large cargo transporters, who were on a tour of the facility a week ago are particularly concerned about the design of the seven-kilometre link road that is extremely narrow and could cause heavy traffic.
“No cargo can be picked from the Naivasha ICD because it has not been gazetted as a Customs point,” said Wanja Kiragu, operations director at East African Online Transport Agency.
Banks cannot open offices within the ICD to facilitate easy payment of duty by transporters.
This past Tuesday, managers from the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA), Kenya Ports Authority (KPA) and Kenya Railways (KR) held a daylong meeting to discuss gazettement.
KRA is said to have imposed conditions like the putting up of floodlights within the facility and building of a perimeter wall before it can be gazetted.
“The indications from the meeting is that the soonest the gazettement could happen is in a fortnight,” said the Customs agent.
Officials at KPA, which owns the ICD, and KR however say the facility is operational.
“We have started using the ICD with officers stationed there,” said Bernard Osero, KPA head of corporate affairs.
Early last month KR acting managing director Philip Mainga sent letters to stakeholders notifying them of the cargo charges from Mombasa to Naivasha.
The letter also said that goods destined for the hinterland and neighbouring countries including Uganda, Rwanda, South Sudan, Burundi, Ethiopia and the Democratic Republic of Congo could be delivered straight to Naivasha from Mombasa, thus taking the cargo closer to the customer.
“We are pleased to inform you that, following the successful commissioning of freight operations to the Naivasha ICD, the facility is currently operational,” said Mr Mainga in the letter dated January 9, 2020.
According to the letter, KR has set the freight rates at $600 for a 20ft container for upward lift from Mombasa to Naivasha, and $300 for a downward trip.
The company will charge $850 for a 40ft container of up to 20.9 tonnes, and $910 for 21 tonnes and above for the inbound trip; $420 and $455 respectively for the Coastbound journey. The tariff for transporting empty containers is $120.
“The conventional cargo is billed at $0.044 per tonne/km,” said the letter.
Kenya is hoping to increase the volumes of transit cargo being transported on the SGR. About 30 per cent of all cargo coming through Mombasa Port goes to neighbouring countries.
$1.5b Naivasha inland container stays idle a month after launch
Kenya’s plan to be the transport corridor of choice faces competition from Tanzania.
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Geza Ulole
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SGR Kenya Mombasa-Nairobi track length 728 km shot to $5 bln from intended $4.3 bln!
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Isn't that exactly what I highlighted in my reply? Or are you selectively choosing to ignore the facts that I tabled? Like I pointed out earlier, it's not about the end product being the same but HOW it was achieved. Out with the old in with new technology. Don't be dense, THINK.
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Tell us how did that save cost if ur SGR shot to $5 bln from planned $4.3 bln?
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What are you getting so worked up for. You tell me to THINK yet you cant anwer a direct question!
For example. Two mining companies set to produce 1 tone of copper, company A brags to company B of using a better technology to produce its 1 tonne of copper.
Now anyone who THINKS should know it cannot end there or else its irrelevant. company A must put figures in comparison to technology used by company B. Something like
-Its a safer technology, we had 48 hours lost time injury but B had 600 hours of LTI
- Less CO2 emmission 0.45 kt compared to 1.2kt of B
And so on....
Mr/Mrs asvptx, do you have this kind of comparison? If you do please enlighten us so next time we should be keen to use this technology.
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Thinking really is an impairment in here huh? If you cannot comprehend the advantages I listed above in using this technology then I can't help you. What's hard to grasp on safety?
For example ;
1. Reduction of construction cycle: Beam sections launch out full section construction at one time compared with previous techniques where the beams had to be prefabricated then hoisted for installation.
2. Improvement in construction conditions: Beam construction reserve a construction joint so that construction personell can organize construction more flexibly.
3. Safety: In accordance with construction demands at various building heights.
4. Quality Control
Don't be lazy. Do research. THINK. Viva!
Geza Ulole
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FYI SGR Kenya has had more lives lost during construction than SGR Tanzania so far! Aside several collapses of some structures like embarkments and a Bridge structure blown away by wind (3 lives lost) at SGR Kenya! Therefore count 3 and 4 out! And as far as 1 is concerned, delays of phase 2A r imminent as till now the dry port and even some stations couldnt be used at the time of launching! as for no. 2 i am not sure if that is at all true! U will need to convince me!
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Kafrican: member: 270766 said:
...equating TZ SGR's TL of 220 kV (extreme-high voltage) to your KE's TL of 32 kV (high voltage) is a sign of madness on steroids.... how do you even start posting it here?
Tukwambie mara ngapi kuwa stima ya SGR yenu ni kwa ajilli ya matumimzi ya kuwashia taa za ofisi tu-)
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aisee sikuiona hii i would have roasted him! Case closed as no 32 kV TL can run a train! Kafrican no TL for electrical trains operation is existing for ur SGR, the one u talked about is for little stuffs like signals n general networking! That means aside the $240 mln loan u got from China for electrification of ur SGR u will need another amount for a new TL! u need at least $400 mln n that's if no kickbacks r involved n before u procure electrical locomotives! So add 400mln to $5 bln spent already for phase 1 and 2A!
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I will try one last time.
Why are you tip toeing around the issue? Give us specifics dumb ass!!
You cant brag about a technology you used and when asked to substantiate you come with advantages and disadvantages like a high school kid! Let me give you an example,
Comparing environmental implications of driving a hydrogen fuel cell car, going by your advantage disadvantage argument its generally easy to say hydrogen fuel cell cars would produce the least greenhouse gases. But its not all black and white coz inefficiencies in the system:- right down to government policies in hydrogen production- would determine each system DIFFERENTLY.
Similarly, its easy to assume electric cars are cheaper to run going by your high school argument. But again, cost of power per kw/h varies from each country and in some the more you use the more expensive it is, so if you were to brag you would have to take it down to where you are driving your electric car.
So don't come here screaming THINK as if that will make you any brighter. Burden of proof lies with you, Give us specifics, if you have non, just say so.
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