Bombshell to Zitto Kabwe? John Mashaka amshambulia Zitto dhidi ya Prof. Muhongo

[Wamunzengo]

Ngoja kwanza nivute pumzi. Najua muda si mrefu tutapata majibu ya nani m-bovu, ZITTO au wanaopimana nae ubavu. Maana naona ZITTO anashambuliwa ki-dizaini, lakini ukiuliza watu ana makosa gani ya wazi, unapewa jibu la kuzungukazunguka tuu lililokaa kimajungu flani hivi. Mi nataka jibu la wazi, kosa lake ni hili na ushahidi huu hapa. Hupati shida kutofautisha nyeupe kutoka kwenye nyeusi.

 

[Mzee Kipara]

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Mr. Zitto ought to understand that, major foreign companies operating in Africa have tremendous resources. They have access to some of the best lawyers, and subject matter experts with extensive experience in contractual review, interpretation, negotiations, and writing. A fact which has many a times, led to the creation of lopsided contracts that have benefited investors while fleecing the host country.

We have stinking contracts because of selfishness of our political leaders, who are so corrupt that they are easily bribed to sign contracts which favour investors. It has nothing to do with the competency of investors' lawyers. I agree with Zitto that the contracts should be made public, and the people involved in signing them, so that we can know who exactly is responsible for the mess that we are in.

 

[Manyi]

Very well written article, and t theoretically, this may be proved to be true!. But politically (and this may be the reality and i tend to agree with Hon. Zittor's stand), the review of the very contracts may not be a success story! many of us, and offcourse, including Mr. Mashaka, are not aware of some of the provisions in these contracts! Who knows, may be there some clauses which prohibit any reviews without unanimous agreements of both parties. In my view, unilateral reviews approach which we are taking, will take us nowhere. and that is why zitto is claiming to have all contracts available for public perusal! We will debate much, but all in all, truth will be soon revealed!

 

[masopakyindi]

Mdondoaji Simply put, so if the investors stay away will our gas also go away?

People of your kind must learn that we are the MASTERS OF OUR OWN DESTINY,period.

 

[Mdondoaji]

Simply put, so if the investors stay away will our gas also go away?

People of your kind must learn that we are the MASTERS OF OUR OWN DESTINY,period.

Indeed,

We are masters of our destiny but we need to be intelligent while making our decisions. Do you think having gas, oil down there but without the capital and infrastructure to develop will make any good for you? Stop this nonsense. Yes we need transparency one as we had enough with these shaddy deals that led to corruptions and embezzlement but we also need to careful execute our decision as the world we are living we depend on each other (i.e. investors and us). Otherwise we will end up like fools!!!!

 

[UNO]

Bravo Prof. Muhongo, As long as you have good intention, God will fight for you. For many years TPDC is out there with skillful human resources, but doing nothing. They are technical people. let them be involved fully in reviewing the contracts. On the contrary, I don't understand Zitto. May be soon or later your true color will be revealed.

 

[Kiranga]

Infarct

Jamani kama haya mambo ni ya kuhusu Watanzania, walengwa ni Watanzania, wahusika ni Watanzania, ambao wote karibu tunakijua Kiswahili zaidi ya Kiingereza, kwa nini tunajitutumua na lugha za wenzetu hivi?

Kama tungekuwa tunaziweza vizuri sawa, lakini sio tu hatuziwezi, lakini tunaonyesha kitu ambacho hata wale wanaoweza kutetea kwa kusema "si lugha ya kigeni tu" watashindwa kutetea.

Kukosa umakini.

I could give some slack to the author if this was a one off, but check this.

when the country's premiere at the time, faced grand corruption allegations, and was forced to resign

Obviously the guy doesn't know the difference between "premiere" and "premier".

Hivi mtu anaandika kitu chenye kutamba kujua undani wa mambo kama hivi bila kutumia spellchecker? It's no like you have to run the thing to a copy editor or a proofreader for those who know the ins of publishing.

Mtu anaweka jina lake kwenye kitu ambacho hata hakijapata baraka za a freely available spellchecker!

Unataka nimuamini huyu kwamba anajua anachokiandika?

Mie Zitto nishamchamba sana hapa (practically nimemuita stooge wa WaNorway to say the very least), na pengine kweli anatakiwa awaachie mawaziri wapya wafanye kazi zao, lakini kama huyo critic wake anaanza kwa kujionyesha kwamba hajui hata kutumia spellchecker hata moyo wa kuendelea kusoma kwa matumaini ya kupata jipya unanitoka.

Kama mtu hajui kutumia spellchecker nitatumai vipi kwamba anaweza kuelewa tofauti ya KiloWatt na MegaWatt na anuai za majedwali ya urari na ugavi wa umeme zinaendaje na nani ni nani katika sekta mbalimbali za mazungumzo haya?

On the substance, John Mashaka, Zitto and Dr. Muhongo are all wanting. Zitto for his lackluster stance on energy issues and not being as vigilant as called for given his privilege, Prof Muhongo, well of course for working for the government in such a position while knowing full well that any honest commitment is going to be frustrated, and John Mashaka for all that plastic pomposity and green grandiosity.

Mr. Kabwe's Transparency assertion reveals nothing short of tactical political, intimidation, representation and defense of the unknown interests. I would not go as far as describing the verbal assault as a self serving personal act of vengeance. However, the premise under which Mr. Kabwe's argument is based, and his pattern of attack, points towards just that.

Ananikumbusha hadithi ya askari aliyelala chini ya nyasi akijificha na kusema "bora mimi sijasema" only to be stabbed with an arrow, kwa sababu ukishasema "bora mimi sijasema" ndo ushasema hivyo. Ukishasema "I would not go so far as describing the verbal assault as a self serving personal act of vengeance" ndo ushasema kwamba unaamini hii ni vengeance. You want to eat your cake and have it too, say that and not say that. How wishy washy and cowardice a stance!

Don't write what you would not go as far as describing, write what you would go as far as decribing Mr. Mashaka. Is this turning into some personal wrangle between team Zitto and team Muhongo? I would lack a team them then.

I could murder machete this flow to smithereens, but I hardly find the rationale to elevate it in such a fashion.

 

[Mkandara]

Very well written article, and t theoretically, this may be proved to be true!. But politically (and this may be the reality and i tend to agree with Hon. Zittor's stand), the review of the very contracts may not be a success story! many of us, and offcourse, including Mr. Mashaka, are not aware of some of the provisions in these contracts! Who knows, may be there some clauses which prohibit any reviews without unanimous agreements of both parties. In my view, unilateral reviews approach which we are taking, will take us nowhere. and that is why zitto is claiming to have all contracts available for public perusal! We will debate much, but all in all, truth will be soon revealed!

As long as we don't have share in these contracts, we have no say. We never had Policy prior to signing of these contracts. On what ground are we gonna change anything if even proposed taxation 2008 have come to pass without being implemented. Prof. Muhongo have a lot to answer!

 

[the circus]

On this subject, I'm with John Mashaka.

Zitto's essay resembles a standard 6 pupil.

nuff said.

 

[Muke Ya Muzungu]

Indeed,

We are masters of our destiny but we need to be intelligent while making our decisions. Do you think having gas, oil down there but without the capital and infrastructure to develop will make any good for you? Stop this nonsense. Yes we need transparency one as we had enough with these shaddy deals that led to corruptions and embezzlement but we also need to careful execute our decision as the world we are living we depend on each other (i.e. investors and us). Otherwise we will end up like fools!!!!

Tatizo la zitto ni uropokaji. Wewe mtu utasemaje kwamba tuhachane na mambo ya nishani kwa miaka 10? Aliacha vulenarability kubwa kuwa pocked kiasi hiki. ameonyesha jinsi alivyodhaifu katika maswala ya kimataifa

Zitto asijaribu kujibizana na huyu mwandishi. Naona ataachwa uchi. Comparing the two, nadhani ni sawa na mtoto wa Darasa la 3 kupambana na Masters Holder. This guys beats him hands down kwa pointi, lugha na flow. atambue kwamba huyu mwandishi atakuwa ni mtu aliyeishi nchi za nje na mwenye ujuzi fulani wa hali ya juu

 

[Anheuser]

Reason behind all these has been nothing more than the bogus contracts.

"Reason behind all these has been..." behind these what? You are fuzzy, finish your sentences.

Mr. Kabwe is attacking Dr. Muhongo's premise without providing a practical solution under conventional wisdom

If Zitto is not providing solutions "under" conventional wisdom that implies he thinks outside the box, to his credit. No clear-thinking person can fault a guy who does not always ride the "conventional wisdom" bandwagon. Do you really know what "conventional wisdom" means?

"I would describe the proposition as a theory that contravenes the basic and natural economic principles that cannot be implemented in a needy nation like ours. Implementing this thought would be nothing short of economic suicide for a nation whose economy is extremely fragile.

How?

How is unsealing the contracts going to be an economic suicide? Explain yourself, that's all too shallow.

Arguably, lack of legal and technical knowhow to intimately interpret word by word in the existing contracts to weed out the elements tilting the scale on the favor of investors and shadowy forces of corruption, would have lent Mr. Kabwe's proposition of transparency, some flesh to stand the test in opposition Dr. Muhongo's hypothesis

What? You are saying that the lack of legal expertise to interpret the contracts would have supported Zitto's call for transparency! What the heck is that? That's unintelligible, nobody can read that! Hahahahaaaa... Re-write that Kiswahili, please... I mean that's gibberish...

Mr. Zitto ought to understand that, major foreign companies operating in Africa have tremendous resources. They have access to some of the best lawyers, and subject matter experts with extensive experience in contractual review, interpretation, negotiations, and writing. A fact which has many a times, led to the creation of lopsided contracts that have benefited investors while fleecing the host country.

Mr. Kabwe failed to provide a balanced approach to those deficiencies. [/QUOTE]So what is your approach?

If you are saying that we don't have the lawyers and the so called "subject matter experts" then who will the minister use to review or re-write the contracts?

Having worked in the Investment Banking –Capital Markets- Can affirm to the fact that, success or failure of an investment, primarily depends upon how crafty a contract is.

Success or failure of an investment primarily depends on a crafty contract? That is atrociously wrong. Performance of an investment depends on countless number of factors, contracting being but one of them, certainly not the primary.

Dr. Muhongo as a subject matter expert has suggested just that.

What profession is that? Who the heck is "a subject matter expert" anyway? What is that?

From my understanding, TPDC, a body tasked with the contractual review is not a political body. It is a professional entity made of subject matter experts –seasoned professionals -.

Experts in which subject? Is the petroleum development company a law firm? What are you talking about "subject matter experts"?

If Mr. Zitto is dissatisfied with TPDC current formation or the capability, he should demand the overhaul of its management team for a more qualified one, which will execute the task –contractual review- diligently, impartially and independently

You just lauded TPDC as being comprised of professional "subject matter experts," whatever that is, so how could you suggest a "more qualified" entity? You are contradicting yourself.

main victims of bad contracts in the energy sector are the country's economy..

"Main victims of bad contracts are the country's economy..." re-write that again please, it's just so broken!

He has taken bold and risky decisions no other minister has ever taken in the ministry and the energy sector in general. He is stepping on dangerous toes...

So you are applauding a person who takes "risky decisions"? Risking the interests of the country? What do you mean risky decisions?

Dr. Muhongo's success or failure is not going to be measured by how many politicians he pleased or displeased, but on what he delivered to the country at the time of need. Soon or later, the public will know whether he was a bluff or a HERO he painted himself to be.

That means you also do not know whether he is right or wrong, you said he will be judged by history. That means you should not laud the minister, you do not have an opinion on this!

Dr. Muhongo's approach is the right step in the right direction.

You just said history will tell us whether he is right or wrong, you do not know! Or, is it the language that is the encumbrance here?

 

[masopakyindi]

Indeed,

We are masters of our destiny but we need to be intelligent while making our decisions. Do you think having gas, oil down there but without the capital and infrastructure to develop will make any good for you? Stop this nonsense. Yes we need transparency one as we had enough with these shaddy deals that led to corruptions and embezzlement but we also need to careful execute our decision as the world we are living we depend on each other (i.e. investors and us). Otherwise we will end up like fools!!!!

Buddy,
First you said I am a Zitto hater.
Now you are shifting on your position.
You allayed that Tanzanians are ignorant, you said it I did not.
In your earlier post you compares Tanzania to Mozambique in the Gas production issue, and that we are lagging behind, probably quite rightly so.

Zittoes scathing attack on the right honourable Proffessor was uncalled for,the proffessor has put in place arangements to review past energy contracts, and this will be done by experts, and it will be done openly.

Zitto is not an expert in these t echnological issues, and probably never will be.

Now here you are, calling other contributors fools, unintelligent and the like.

You are what we call having a day in mouthwashing, making no point that is not known already.

 

[MAMMAMIA]

Kitu ambacho hajui ama amekisahau ama hataki kukitaja ni kwamba Muhongo ameshatangulia kusema kwamba hakuna mkataba wowote utakaovunjwa.

Prof. Muhongo, kama alivyosema mwandishi need to be given time to get some work done.

Kutokana na statement ya hapo juu [isipokuwa tu atokee mtu athibitishe kuwa Muhongo hakusema hivyo], ni nini lengo hasa la Prof. Muhongo kufanya mapitio ya mikataba wakati ameshaweka uamuzi kuwa hakuna mkataba utakaovunjwa? Hakuna mkataba utakaovunjwa hata baada ya kuipitia ikagunduliwa kuwa kuna kasoro za kuufanya mkataba fulani usiwe halali au hauna maslahi kwa taifa? Kwa maamuzi haya ya Prof. Muhongo, sidahni kama yeye ni Nabii wa kutufikisha nchi ya ahadi. tutabaki kupiga kwata.

Mimi yote hii naona ni sarakasi tu, ukweli unabaki pale pale kuwa Watanzania tumejitia kitanzi wenyewe na hatuna pa kutokea baada ya kuwaruhusu walafi wachache kuiuza nchi bila ya kujali maslahi ya walio wengi. Tuatabaki hivi hivi tunacheza mbwakachoka - hatua kumi mbele, kumi na moja nyuma - na kuendelea kuwa taifa la kutembeza bakuli licha ya utajiri ambao nchi yetu unao.

 

[shabani]

mimi nilivyomuelewa ZITTO tatizo kubwa ni kwamba ni haohao TPDC ndio walioingia hiyo mikataba sasa kama inakuwaje wao tena ndio wareview hiyo mikataba? Zitto alipendekezwa watafutwe wataalam hata kama ni wa kutoka nje ili watoe majibu sahihi. hapa ndipo naikumbuka ile hotuba ya MCHUNGAJI MSIGWA kule BUNGENI wakati wa BAJETI.

 

[Muke Ya Muzungu]

very interesting

 

[TUNTEMEKE]

Tatizo la zitto ni uropokaji. Wewe mtu utasemaje kwamba tuhachane na mambo ya nishani kwa miaka 10? Aliacha vulenarability kubwa kuwa pocked kiasi hiki. ameonyesha jinsi alivyodhaifu katika maswala ya kimataifa

Zitto asijaribu kujibizana na huyu mwandishi. Naona ataachwa uchi. Comparing the two, nadhani ni sawa na mtoto wa Darasa la 3 kupambana na Masters Holder. This guys beats him hands down kwa pointi, lugha na flow. atambue kwamba huyu mwandishi atakuwa ni mtu aliyeishi nchi za nje na mwenye ujuzi fulani wa hali ya juu

hahahhaha jamaa umeshindwa kujadili content unajadili anakoishi?

 

[Muke Ya Muzungu]

hahahhaha jamaa umeshindwa kujadili content unajadili anakoishi?

ndio tatizo la wengi. badala ya kujadili mada, wanamshangaa mwandishi. yes amemshinda zitto, so what? hoja ni je mikataba au transparency. itv na tbc itabidi wawaite hawa jamii wawili na kufanya nao majadiliano

 

[Tom]

Good work of Mashaka; a well-crafted analysis on Hon. Zitto personal attack to Hon. Muhongo. Sooner we shall find out openly what ZK is up for & he shall never win the battle against good intentions of Prof. Muhongo, whose walk stands for public interests.
When Dr. Muhongo gives bold and clear directives to the newly elected Board Members of TPDC on overseeing and assessing different existing contracts, Zitto calls it a political stunt & flip flopping.

In concluding, Zitto is warned as as once, a respected Raban Gamaliel of the Sanhedrin said,

"if it be of men, it will come to naught, but if it be of God, ye will not be able to overthrow it; lest perhaps ye be found even to fight against God"

Yes it is a political stunt - and the minister know it: At first place why contracts were signed without proper assessment? - who are these guys who make and/or sign these contracts? One thing for sure they are CCM and obviously if not insane, they smoke lots of ...... - all day.

 

[Muke Ya Muzungu]

Yes it is a political stunt - and the minister know it: At first place why contracts were signed without proper assessment? - who are these guys who make and/or sign these contracts? One thing for sure they are CCM and obviously if not insane, they smoke lots of ...... - all day.

zitto cannot serve two masters; both CCM and CHADEMA. Mashaka amumuweka in his rightful place. and simply shut him up. he has no argument here

 

[Kaa la Moto]

@Kiranga unapomcheka mwenzako kumbe na wewe unachekwa na watu wengine. Hivi hukujua kuwa kuna spellchecker?

Ona hapa: "Don't write what you would not go as far as describing, write what you would go as far as decribing Mr. Mashaka. Is this turning into some personal wrangle between team Zitto and team Muhongo? I would lack a team them then."