Against the Myth of Satan

Against the Myth of Satan

Tufu said:
God among other things He created angles. 4 big angles were Gabriael,Raphael, Michael and Lucifael. The later failed to obey God so him with his supporting angles were thrown out of heaven to earth. Lucifael rocked kuzimu, cursed and no room for forgiveness. he was deemed. All angles who became bad, vs Gos were now called satan to been enemy of God. Similarly God created good humans; spiritual beings – our spirit is immortal; will outlast the body; Intellectual beings – We thinks, reason and solve problems; Relational beings- we give and receive real love; Moral consciousness – we can discern right from wrong. If we choose to to bad things we joing the team of satan which is agaist God. So God created all things good but some good ones changed to become bad. It is like a strong man, instead of using his strength to heal people, he may decide to use his strength to kill them. This is not the problem of God but the problem of the one who is using the gifts given to him badly.[/QUOTE
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can your GOD create something which is greatful and powerful than him self????????



ntakuja baadae kutoa maoni yangu
 
Pritty wa joseph said:
can your GOD create something which is greatful and powerful than him self????????



ntakuja baadae kutoa maoni yangu
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I would love to see the reply. It is one of the toughest questions, I don't know which answer you gonna provide?
I am eagerly waiting for that
 
descarte said:
I would love to see the reply. It is one of the toughest questions, I don't know which answer you gonna provide?
I am eagerly waiting for that
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God created Lucifer
Alikuwa ni Malaika..... Ila akaja kukaidi amri ya mungu ndipo Mungu akamshusha Duiani........ Ikumbukwe mungu aliahdi ktk vitabu vyake kuwa aombae Atapata..... Na akauumba moto kwa ajili yake ila lucifer alisema kwenye huo moto hatokuwa poke ake na akamuomba mungu kuwa sisi tusimuone, na asife hadi siku ya Mwisho, pia akamuomba mungu ampe nguvu that's y shetani ananguvu

Source Qur_an
 
Pritty wa joseph said:
God created Lucifer
Alikuwa ni Malaika..... Ila akaja kukaidi amri ya mungu ndipo Mungu akamshusha Duiani........ Ikumbukwe mungu aliahdi ktk vitabu vyake kuwa aombae Atapata..... Na akauumba moto kwa ajili yake ila lucifer alisema kwenye huo moto hatokuwa poke ake na akamuomba mungu kuwa sisi tusimuone, na asife hadi siku ya Mwisho, pia akamuomba mungu ampe nguvu that's y shetani ananguvu

Source Qur_an
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I thought you will answer the posted question.
 
Nafasi ya MSAMAHA kwa shetani ilifutwa / haipo. Alishahukumiwa tayari anangoja kutumikia adhabu yake. Kwa binadamu nafasi hiyo ipo waovu wanaweza kusamehewa wakitubu na kujutia makosa yao kwa dhati. Mungu kamuumba binadamu akamfanya awe huru, akampatia akili na utashi wa kuamua kutenda jema au baya. Na akamwambia akitenda baya adhabu yake ni motoni na akitenda jema atapata tuzo ya uzima wa milele. Hakuna haja tena ya Mungu kumzuia asitende uovu au wema, maana binadamu yuko huru kuchagua kutenda ovu au jema.
descarte said:
vp kuhusu shetani, yeye haruhusiwi kutubu na kumrudia muaamba wake? au kosa lake halina msamaha?
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Ngoja tusubili jibu haitaji hata kutubu if God is so merciful[/QUOTE]
 
descarte
God is creater of all things...invisible and visible( refer catholic cathechisim au nasadiki kwa wakristo wakatolic that also I I believe so) invisible it includes even forces...
God is pure spirit that is also pure power and pure force..he/she is omnipresent and other atrubute similar to that.....
So opposing force comes from man for his or her lust and want to be in likeness of God himself who is pure force.
The initial force against god is from satan who tried to make himself God.... Look the topic.
The place of force in universe is omnipresent also as the Satan is spirit too...
Kumbuka hata mbinguni ni hali au it is the state..not exactly place that u can reach you and me physical..
Samahani Mkuu kutojibu kwa wakati..ni mgeni humu nashindwa nifanyeje nipate notification...haaja
 
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Pritty wa joseph
Mbona una conclude au unauliza swali like something hidden in your question... Make it clear...
Like which he can create that can become tough than him?
God can compared by mtengeneza vyungu...refer symbolic signs kwenye kitabu cha Jeremiah if I am not mistaken.....sorry if u don't believe in those books...
But let me assume you believe..
For common sense with no much time of meditation..
Suppose you are source of everything... Every thing are copy from u and u render such thing when u are asked?
Hivi ije itokee kweli something asking u whatever kiwe juu yako...
I can think on behalf of you maybe you meant Satan is over God..
Satan is over God to those who are side of Satan.
 
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descarte
God is creater of all things...invisible and visible( refer catholic cathechisim au nasadiki kwa wakristo wakatolic that also I I believe so) invisible it includes even forces...
God is pure spirit that is also pure power and pure force..he/she is omnipresent and other atrubute similar to that.....
So opposing force comes from man for his or her lust and want to be in likeness of God himself who is pure force.
The initial force against god is from satan who tried to make himself God.... Look the topic.
The place of force in universe is omnipresent also as the Satan is spirit too...
Kumbuka hata mbinguni ni hali au it is the state..not exactly place that u can reach you and me physical..
Samahani Mkuu kutojibu kwa wakati..ni mgeni humu nashindwa nifanyeje nipate notification...haaja
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Okay
However the comment shows a sense of contradiction if scrutinization is done to it. It is a very deep philosophical problem.
First, it is an epistemological problem which demands the credibility of things said above. Or what is the source of that knowledge? How do you get things you said
Perhaps one might say that such knowledgw is from the sacred scriptures,i.e Bible or Quran or one might appeal to its religious beliefs. If mentioned above reasons are the answers then such reasons beg many questions. It is hard to base on those reasons.
Secondly, I said if your claim is taken as you argued above and applying some logical rules there is an internal incoherence. I believe whatever inconsitency in any proposition guarantee falsehood.
It has been said that God created Satan and yet God is Omniscient and omnipotent as many belivers claimed. That claim of satan direct refute the two attributes to God.
 
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Hahaaa u are using tough vocabulary... Wengine tulikimbia somo hill mapema hahahaa..narudi lakini Mkuu..ngoja nisome taratibu
 
baest said:
Pritty wa joseph
Mbona una conclude au unauliza swali like something hidden in your question... Make it clear...
Like which he can create that can become tough than him?
God can compared by mtengeneza vyungu...refer symbolic signs kwenye kitabu cha Jeremiah if I am not mistaken.....sorry if u don't believe in those books...
But let me assume you believe..
For common sense with no much time of meditation..
Suppose you are source of everything... Every thing are copy from u and u render such thing when u are asked?
Hivi ije itokee kweli something asking u whatever kiwe juu yako...
I can think on behalf of you maybe you meant Satan is over God..
Satan is over God to those who are side of Satan.
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Laiti kama wafia dini wangekua wanahoji kwa mantiki masuala yamhusuyo huyu Mungu ninaamini wangebaki wanamlaumu Mungu wao
 
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Well I agree with you...
But basing on the question and supporting reference of the writer of this question, bible could help to answer such question than philosophical ideas and arguments..
I agree in human eyes and thinking we can see bible like it is contracting itself..
Imani ndo imebase kwenye vitabu hivi...for example..even me I have been thinking some stories might be just myth...( just to help us to believe the main theme of this book)
But the fact of faith definition which is "beyong of our imagination and thinking,that is the beginning of faith..."
Mkuu nakubaliana na ww kabisaaa
Nimejaribu kutumia vitabu cos of the writer based on bible book as his or her defence on posing his or her question to you and me. Source of knowledge according to this book ni fear of God hahaha...
You see...unless we turn this question using our imagination na mm nitakuwa Wa kwanza kukimbia mjadala huuu hahahaha descarte
 
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baest said:
Kwa nini? Mantiki IPI labda..
Mazikujohn?
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Hebu jaribu kuwaza hivi:God is omnipotent,God is good and God is the source of everything but evil exists.

How is it possible for evil to exist when you claim that the creator is Good?And if the creator is good and all-powerful and hates evil now why does he allows evil to exist in the first place and now on?
 
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Kaka..hilo nahisi nimeligusia post yangu ya mwanzo. Ngoja nikugusie
 
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