Against the Myth of Satan

[descarte]

I find this thread very interesting and awakening.. If you truly sit and analyze the stories you heard since u were a kid about these so called faiths, then you must come out with a fresh mind that SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

Ishmael is just advocating what he/she believes in, the same thing will be done by kahtaan Ally Kombo and the co. but the fact remains that; SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

Lucifer (The fallen Angel), didn't even kill a fly, but we read and learn everyday that he can't be forgiven, what a Pilatoeic punishment!

Okay, let that alone, Why did GOD choose to cast him to the Innocent world? Why did he allow him to bring chaos and destruction to the innocent people? Why would these pathetic people have to choose God and if not would be thrown to fire? Why were these poor souls created then? SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

And looking at the preachings from the churches and mosques, what u come to realize is the presence of a cold war between these two rivals; GOD VS SATAN, each side fighting so hard to win the battle. Why? Is God's Ability equal to that of Lucifer? Kituko!

I don't want to deny a thing about Biblical / Quranic scriptures, but let us use our minds in the light of the argument posed by descarte..

Am subscribing to this TOPIC to the end..

Welcome

 

[kahtaan]

I find this thread very interesting and awakening.. If you truly sit and analyze the stories you heard since u were a kid about these so called faiths, then you must come out with a fresh mind that SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

Ishmael is just advocating what he/she believes in, the same thing will be done by kahtaan Ally Kombo and the co. but the fact remains that; SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

Lucifer (The fallen Angel), didn't even kill a fly, but we read and learn everyday that he can't be forgiven, what a Pilatoeic punishment!

Okay, let that alone, Why did GOD choose to cast him to the Innocent world? Why did he allow him to bring chaos and destruction to the innocent people? Why would these pathetic people have to choose God and if not would be thrown to fire? Why were these poor souls created then? SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

And looking at the preachings from the churches and mosques, what u come to realize is the presence of a cold war between these two rivals; GOD VS SATAN, each side fighting so hard to win the battle. Why? Is God's Ability equal to that of Lucifer? Kituko!

I don't want to deny a thing about Biblical / Quranic scriptures, but let us use our minds in the light of the argument posed by descarte..

Am subscribing to this TOPIC to the end..

Hey Buddy i think you forgotten that Education is learning what you didn't even know you didn't know.

Before you challenge why God did what first you need to learn if God exist in the first place!.
How could you challenge the Work of something or someone without even know if than being is Existed?

So first thing first do you believe that GOD do exist? And if your answer is NO then Why Not!

Lets get started buddy. Hit me. I'm waiting

 

[Ishmael]

I find this thread very interesting and awakening.. If you truly sit and analyze the stories you heard since u were a kid about these so called faiths, then you must come out with a fresh mind that SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

Yes, something is very wrong when someone decides to talk about something without knowing the beginning of what he is claiming to argue and or talk about.

Ishmael is just advocating what he/she believes in, the same thing will be done by kahtaan Ally Kombo and the co. but the fact remains that; SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

I am not an advocate of Christianity, in contrast, I am heir with Christ and talk what is in my Kingdom, in contrast, the ones you mentioned who believe in a middle eastern deity are advocating for their deity and ready to die for him.

Lucifer (The fallen Angel), didn't even kill a fly, but we read and learn everyday that he can't be forgiven, what a Pilatoeic punishment!

If earthly Judges knows how to punish evil or crimes, what about God who is the Righteous JUDGE? Refer Psalm 7:8

Okay, let that alone, Why did GOD choose to cast him to the Innocent world?

It seems you are just like the person who started the thread, it is not God who cast the devil out. You need to do a little research before you say things. Where in the Bible says God cast Satan out of heaven? This is why I say, do you guys have any preliminary knowledge of Lucifer?

Why did he allow him to bring chaos and destruction to the innocent people?

God is Omniscient and gave FREE WILL to all. It is your free will that makes you question God, you can even curse him, but remember when you break a law, you will pay for it.

Why would these pathetic people have to choose God and if not would be thrown to fire?

Why are you scared of breaking the earthly law or else you will be punished? How pathetic are you by keeping the laws?

Why were these poor souls created then? SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE!

God never created poor people, it is you and your evil inside you who are creating these poor people by stealing what is theirs. Is this not a reason you have UKAWA et al, trying to fight for something?

And looking at the preachings from the churches and mosques, what u come to realize is the presence of a cold war between these two rivals; GOD VS SATAN, each side fighting so hard to win the battle. Why? Is God's Ability equal to that of Lucifer? Kituko!

Not true, God's ability is Omnipotent and never in either historical books or religious book mentioned Satan as Omnipotent. This is the main reason, why God Haters like you fails the litmus test by your continual using assumptions in everything,

I don't want to deny a thing about Biblical / Quranic scriptures, but let us use our minds in the light of the argument posed by descarte..

Still you did not answer my very first question to descarte, WHAT IS/WAS THE GENESIS OF LUCIFER?

Am subscribing to this TOPIC to the end..

By now you know, it is impossible to build a sky scraper without a foundation.

 

[kahtaan]

Believing or not isn't the matter in question here braza. If yes I believe he exists, then what? I have to believe in everything that's said about him? Everything? Even if it is irrational? Com'on..

You want me to read by heart, huh? That's too little to my thinking..

See! Thats your problem right there.
You dont know where to stand!
My question is very simple.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD EXIST OR NOT.
Give me the simple answer. YES or NO.
If you answered NO then please give me the reason.
Dont bite your tongue pal.

 

[kahtaan]

I am not sure. But I have learned about that so called God in different schools of thoughts; Christianity and Islam. Both have some similar views on the question of Satan / devil and other occult stuffs.

But still I have this simple asking; Why is God seem trying so hard to 'fight' against the creature whom he himself brought in existance? What is the power does this Naughty Angel have to be 'compete' with the Almighty?

NB: I need my answers before your questions plz.. And mind you, we are just exchanging sentences here, So let's not hold grudges on the way!

Sweet.
Now you are talking.
As i say before. In order to understand how God works you need to understand whos GOD.

Its extremely important to know this first before asking those questions.

For example you cant complain about the functions of automobile if you dont know anything or not sure about The automobile its self.

You can't complain and blame doctors decision if you knew Nothing about doctors.

So i suggest that you do some deep studies about GOD and when you KNOW who GOD IS then Bring those questions on board and i guarantee you will find very simple answers.
One step at a time buddy.

I can easily answer your questions but my dad says Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

I want to feed you for life buddy.

 

[Ishmael]

Would you mind telling us the pure story, may be you may come up with a new own stuff coz what is pointed out here is what is well-known all over by everyone.

You need to know your facts before you say something. This is how it works. You can't just say blah blah and expect everybody to take your words, not to people who are informed like me.

When was Satan mentioned on the very first time?

Is there any difference?

Yes there is if you only follow instructions and obey the rules of logic.

Too way Irrelevant

You reply is a self defeated argument to people who needs evidence when you dispute and or impugn something.

Who casted him out then? Jesus? Isn't he God (according to u)?

You see the problem here? I mean, what are you doing if you don't even know who cast Satan. Did't I asked you guys if you know the genesis of Lucifer? Do you see the problem of using assumptions?

Free will? Why the punishment then?

Go outside right now, and execute your free will by breaking someones car, and tell me what is going to happen to you? Let us work with examples. Do you have free will? If yes, then please do what I asked you to do.

What are you talking now?

May be Greek.

Did I say I hate God anywhere in my sentences? And up there, Satan's side of story is hidden, we only hear from God! So it's a one-sided type of a ---- that we're having.. Probably He (Satan) is Omnipotent as well..

Your actions speaks louder than words.

The Genesis of Lucy is so clear in the bible, that he was the most attractive and obedient Angela, it is quite different from quranic point of view which claims that he was once amongst the Jinn's before he was recruited to work with angels, so i would stand there in between, whatever the story is, He was finally discarded and casted to the world because of his PRIDE...

You need to grow up and decide and or chose a side. You can't have both ways. Either believe the Bible or that Middle eastern book of Jibril.

Anything to do with what we are discussing here?
Ishmael

Still you did not answer my questions.

 

[kahtaan]

I tried to be in your course, but you don seem to be a good teacher. So I presume that you are as an ignorant (ashakum si matusi yakhee) and a coward bitch (ashakum salaaale)..

For the health of this discussion, I will say YES, I know and believe in God, but here I am having these questions that are nearly moving me off-track.. Save me plzz...

It isn't against the Law to be an idiot and Any fool can criticise, condemn and complain and most fools do pal just like yourself.

And remember MR. CONFIDENT An erudite fool is a greater fool than an ignorant fool.
I guess its hard to help someone erudite and moron like you.

Go find psychiatric first.
Tell him what you told me he/she might be able to help you.

 

[kahtaan]

Do I detect a panic here?!

Frm behind May be.
Teh teh teh.
i didn't know your butt got detector.

 

[digodigo]

Who was Lucifer? It seems you don't know the genesis of Lucifer.

Then can you let us know the thing?

 

[Ishmael]

Ishmael

I have no doubt that u're talking with reference from the scriptures you read, not from logical base.. We can't make it..

When was Satan mentioned on the very first time? Science books? History Books? Geography books? The infallible Word? or where, can you please let me know, so that we can use said book as and for references.

 

[Ishmael]

Then can you let us know the thing?

I even know the beginning of the Name Lucifer, which most of you guys doesn't know.

When you talk or debate with me, you need knowledge my friend and not assumptions of God Haters like Kiranga Nyani Ngabu et al,

Now tell me, what was the beginning of Lucifer and why was he given said name - Lucifer?

If you can not answer those simple questions, then you are not my level.

 

[descarte]

Hey Buddy i think you forgotten that Education is learning what you didn't even know you didn't know.

Before you challenge why God did what first you need to learn if God exist in the first place!.
How could you challenge the Work of something or someone without even know if than being is Existed?

So first thing first do you believe that GOD do exist? And if your answer is NO then Why Not!

Lets get started buddy. Hit me. I'm waiting

I think the thread is about satan. if you want us to debate about God existence then start new thread and we challenge one another.

 

[kahtaan]

I think the thread is about satan. if you want us to debate about God existence then start new thread and we challenge one another.

Read the questions first before making a comment humptydumpty

 

[descarte]

I even know the beginning of the Name Lucifer, which most of you guys doesn't know.

When you talk or debate with me, you need knowledge my friend and not assumptions of God Haters like Kiranga Nyani Ngabu et al,

Now tell me, what was the beginning of Lucifer and why was he given said name - Lucifer?

If you can not answer those simple questions, then you are not my level.

Do not just say i know or i am aware; i am acknowledgeable.
You tell us what you are claiming to know.

 

[Ishmael]

Do not just say i know or i am aware; i am acknowledgeable.
You tell us what you are claiming to know.

I am not obligated to tell you. You didn't even think of that.

Why was he called Lucifer? You see, you can't answer me once again.

 

[descarte]

I am not obligated to tell you. You didn't even think of that.

Why was he called Lucifer? You see, you can't answer me once again.

Haaaaah, how can we know that you understand what you are claiming to know.

 

[Ishmael]

Haaaaah, how can we know that you understand what you are claiming to know.

Then give me the answers.

 

[descarte]

Then give me the answers.

I do not know, i am waiting you to tell me the answer.

 

[Ishmael]

I do not know, i am waiting you to tell me the answer.

Start by reading your own assumptions on the main thread. Paragraph number 2. I will quote it for easy of reference.

So, Lucifer "sinned from the beginning" (1 John 3:8). Yes, there is the obvious, "why would God create Satan, evil, sin, etc. if he is a good, all-knowing, just God." And yes, he created these horrific things due to his uncanny ability at predestination and foreknowledge (Psalm 139:1-6-and-Romans 8:29-30-among other references in the Bible), as well as being the beginning and ultimate creative source of the universe.

IN RED: God never created Satan, evil, sin, etc. You need to tell me how did you come up with that? All I need is provable evidence.

IN BLUE: You need to tell me, why are you using the "if he is good". Tell why did you use "if"?

IN PURPLE: You need to prove to us the words in purple. You accused someone, now, give us evidence.

IN TEAL: Support your words in teal.

If you are serious and you want to debate with me, then start by supporting your own words. Otherwise, don't waste my time.

NOTE: All of your answers must be, provable, testable, repeatable, empirical and theoretically verifiable evidences.

 

[descarte]

Start by reading your own assumptions on the main thread. Paragraph number 2. I will quote it for easy of reference.



IN RED: God never created Satan, evil, sin, etc. You need to tell me how did you come up with that? All I need is provable evidence.

IN BLUE: You need to tell me, why are you using the "if he is good". Tell why did you use "if"?

IN PURPLE: You need to prove to us the words in purple. You accused someone, now, give us evidence.

IN TEAL: Support your words in teal.

If you are serious and you want to debate with me, then start by supporting your own words. Otherwise, don't waste my time.

NOTE: All of your answers must be, provable, testable, repeatable, empirical and theoretically verifiable evidences.

First; it appears that you do not know what you are claiming to know, It is a Pity. So, you are agreeing with us because our arguments are based on evidences, we deny the existence of satan. we are just saying it is a myth
In fact we are proclaiming that Satan does not exist if you agree that God did not creat satan then you are on our good side.
If you deny Evil in the world do you mean that people do not suffer,😆
Do you mean that they are no innocents people who are suffering without reasons!!@@
In fact if you argue on the side of science that is our stand.
For us we wanna things which are testable,experimented, emprical and observed. We are not dealing with faith. So if you support those values then you are contradicting youself.
It seems you support the existence of satan and yet you do not believe it like us. Haaaah.