Against the Myth of Satan

Against the Myth of Satan

descarte said:
You qouted Kant to support your view, he said the existence of God can be postulated through practical reason. He denied any rational account for the existence of Supreme Being. He went further to elaborate moral imperatives within himself and postulated the existence of God. Therefore, Kant suffers the same critic he offered to rationalists because he has his categories of mind which he said that our mind are fine tuned to understand reality in these categories. If that is the Kant's claim then how does he account for God, which category do we employ while thinking about God. If fact he was brilliant fellow that is why he used the word "postulate" because when you scrutinize his opinion it falls short. In fact even if there are moral laws within us (which I don't believe if we real have those laws) it does mean that we cannot explain some of moral imperative without postulating God's existence. I think, it is because Kant existed before Charles Darwin thats why he said so.
Additionally, if you hold firm that faith is subjective,then you are absolutely correct. In fact you agree with Freud completely that religion is illusion and erroneous to man
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Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) alluded this statement ealier before so many others school of thoughts emerged. So He is right in particular context and wrong in another as well.
because with time,so many discoveries came into life. this is how science evolves. His contentions my fit some scenarios in the modern days but may still be grouped as a part of pseudo science.

If youve come across in other disciplined like NEar Death experience(NDE), there's so much to learn there.Which to me i think nullifies the idea of freud. whereby people who are dead come back into life and confirmed that there's is a life in the afterlife. And it has been proven that this is not a function of brain. So there's nothing like illusion there.
Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

God is Spiritual so it needs some type of media for us to be connected to him. But the question still comes where is the idea itself originated? i.e. You can not think of Unthinkable!!. freud must know this!! Why all people in the world talk about GOd?
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Most people who encountered NDE, they said; that world is more real than this world. IS like we are in Fake body with little consciousness.
I think we are very much connected by out true spiritual nature i.e consciousness is independent from body and outlives it. Consciousness is another name of spirit. It appears that we are spiritual beings, having a physical experience. Our spiritual is eternal We may die here, but we may live forever in another world dimension, probably is where God lives.All humans are very much connected into each other consciousness, and may be that's why we all speak about GOD

People who meditate also talk about consciousness and how to get connected to our spiritual world. i hope that another world's dimension is where God lives. And all people of the world Find connected with each other.

may be is the reason all people of the world tend to seek for anything to worship, be it stones, idols, oceans,Rivers, trees, the dead, the sun, the moon, snakes, Animals, jesus, human, etc
 
They are many anomalies in your comment.
First you said that "Near Death Experience" what is this experience, the word is contrary to death. Near death doesn't mean anything indeed.Have you ever seen someone who died and came back to life.Perhaps that fellow fainted.
Anyway you talk about consciousness, What do you mean by consciousness? It seems for you consciousness=spirit, (I dont agree with you in this at all). Of course you went further to argue that spirit or consciousness is independent of the body. How consciousness(spirit) and Body work together.This is the deep question which you might not answer.
You talked about immorality, Once Feurbach a Germany Philosopher said that we think about life after death because of our egoistic tendecy. We do not want die but the reality we have to die. So when we face this hard reality our mind always project life after death because we wanna live longer because of our selfishness. Therefore,in order to console ourselves,we project immortality.
 
2013 said:
Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) alluded this statement ealier before so many others school of thoughts emerged. So He is right in particular context and wrong in another as well.
because with time,so many discoveries came into life. this is how science evolves. His contentions my fit some scenarios in the modern days but may still be grouped as a part of pseudo science.

If youve come across in other disciplined like NEar Death experience(NDE), there's so much to learn there.Which to me i think nullifies the idea of freud. whereby people who are dead come back into life and confirmed that there's is a life in the afterlife. And it has been proven that this is not a function of brain. So there's nothing like illusion there.
Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

God is Spiritual so it needs some type of media for us to be connected to him. But the question still comes where is the idea itself originated? i.e. You can not think of Unthinkable!!. freud must know this!! Why all people in the world talk about GOd?
.
Most people who encountered NDE, they said; that world is more real than this world. IS like we are in Fake body with little consciousness.
I think we are very much connected by out true spiritual nature i.e consciousness is independent from body and outlives it. Consciousness is another name of spirit. It appears that we are spiritual beings, having a physical experience. Our spiritual is eternal We may die here, but we may live forever in another world dimension, probably is where God lives.All humans are very much connected into each other consciousness, and may be that's why we all speak about GOD

People who meditate also talk about consciousness and how to get connected to our spiritual world. i hope that another world's dimension is where God lives. And all people of the world Find connected with each other.

may be is the reason all people of the world tend to seek for anything to worship, be it stones, idols, oceans,Rivers, trees, the dead, the sun, the moon, snakes, Animals, jesus, human, etc
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They are many anomalies in your comment.
First you said that "Near Death Experience" what is this experience, the word is contrary to death. Near death doesn't mean anything indeed.Have you ever seen someone who died and came back to life.Perhaps that fellow fainted.
Anyway you talk about consciousness, What do you mean by consciousness? It seems for you consciousness=spirit, (I dont agree with you in this at all). Of course you went further to argue that spirit or consciousness is independent of the body. How consciousness(spirit) and Body work together.This is a deep question which you might not answer.
You talked about immorality, Once Feurbach a Germany Philosopher said that we think about life after death because of our egoistic tendecy. We do not want die but the reality we have to die. So when we face this hard reality our mind always project life after death because we wanna live longer because of our selfishness. Therefore,in order to console ourselves,we project immortality. I totally agree with Feubarch.
 
descarte said:
They are many anomalies in your comment.
First you said that "Near Death Experience" what is this experience, the word is contrary to death. Near death doesn't mean anything indeed.Have you ever seen someone who died and came back to life.Perhaps that fellow fainted.
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Near Death Experience (NDE): Here is his description:
A man is dying and, as he reaches the point of greatest physical distress, he hears himself pronounced dead by his doctor. He begins to hear an uncomfortable noise, a loud ringing or buzzing, and at the same time feels himself moving very rapidly through a long dark tunnel. After this, he suddenly finds himself outside of his own physical body, but still in the immediate physical environment, and he sees his own body from a distance, as though he is a spectator. He watches the resuscitation attempt from this unusual vantage point and is in a state of emotional upheaval.After a while, he collects himself and becomes more accustomed to his odd condition. He notices that he still has a 'body,' but one of a very different nature and with very different powers from the physical body he has left behind. Soon other things begin to happen. Others come to meet and to help him. He glimpses the spirits of relatives and friends who have already died, and a loving, warm spirit of a kind he has never encountered before -- a being of light -- appears before him. This being asks him a question, non-verbally, to make him evaluate his life and helps him along by showing him a panoramic, instantaneous playback of the major events of his life. At some point he finds himself approaching some sort of barrier or border, apparently representing the limit between earthly life and the next life. Yet, he finds that he must go back to the earth, that the time for his death has not yet come. At this point he resists, for by now he is taken up with his experiences in the afterlife and does not want to return. He is overwhelmed by intense feelings of joy, love, and peace. Despite his attitude, though, he somehow reunites with his physical body and lives.

Later he tries to tell others, but he has trouble doing so. In the first place, he can find no human words adequate to describe these unearthly episodes. He also finds that others scoff, so he stops telling other people. Still, the experience affects his life profoundly especially his views about death and its relationship to life.

Another thing is Out OF body Experience (OBE):
There is the tunnel traveled through as well as the experiences of seeing one's own body from outside and seeming to have some other kind of body, and the ineffability is familiar. One is tempted to conclude that in death a typical OBE, or astral projection, occurs, and is followed by a transition to another world, with the aid of people who have already made the crossing, and that of higher beings in whose plane one is going to lead the next phase of existence

descarte said:
Anyway you talk about consciousness, What do you mean by consciousness? It seems for you consciousness=spirit, (I dont agree with you in this at all). Of course you went further to argue that spirit or consciousness is independent of the body. How consciousness(spirit) and Body work together.This is a deep question which you might not answer.
You talked about immorality, Once Feurbach a Germany Philosopher said that we think about life after death because of our egoistic tendecy. We do not want die but the reality we have to die. So when we face this hard reality our mind always project life after death because we wanna live longer because of our selfishness. Therefore,in order to console ourselves,we project immortality. I totally agree with Feubarch.
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i call it spirit because from simple view spirit don't have bodies, when you destroy the body that energy(consciousness) which makes the body alive comes out instantly. That is real you. The term selfish offers ambiguity here. I my self don't want to live forever...cause what's the point..?, but if forever means forever then i want to be at peace, not stuff like hell fire etc.

well don't get me wrong here...When i heard people talk about heaven it is where i see there is reason to live. otherwise not.This world sucks man
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vijujako said:
What if the bible is crafted by Satan himself to brainwash humankind, as a means to inhibit us from reaching our fullest potential and universial love for eachother. The Bible allows us to be endlessly hypocritical by using it's words against eachother.
Just think about how the poorest and most miserable nations on earth are the most religious ones, while the most prosperous countries are the least religious and most peaceful, happy and equal ones.
Religion is the ultimate deception.
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You are lost, who told you
 
2013 said:
Near Death Experience (NDE): Here is his description:
A man is dying and, as he reaches the point of greatest physical distress, he hears himself pronounced dead by his doctor. He begins to hear an uncomfortable noise, a loud ringing or buzzing, and at the same time feels himself moving very rapidly through a long dark tunnel. After this, he suddenly finds himself outside of his own physical body, but still in the immediate physical environment, and he sees his own body from a distance, as though he is a spectator. He watches the resuscitation attempt from this unusual vantage point and is in a state of emotional upheaval.After a while, he collects himself and becomes more accustomed to his odd condition. He notices that he still has a 'body,' but one of a very different nature and with very different powers from the physical body he has left behind. Soon other things begin to happen. Others come to meet and to help him. He glimpses the spirits of relatives and friends who have already died, and a loving, warm spirit of a kind he has never encountered before -- a being of light -- appears before him. This being asks him a question, non-verbally, to make him evaluate his life and helps him along by showing him a panoramic, instantaneous playback of the major events of his life. At some point he finds himself approaching some sort of barrier or border, apparently representing the limit between earthly life and the next life. Yet, he finds that he must go back to the earth, that the time for his death has not yet come. At this point he resists, for by now he is taken up with his experiences in the afterlife and does not want to return. He is overwhelmed by intense feelings of joy, love, and peace. Despite his attitude, though, he somehow reunites with his physical body and lives.

Later he tries to tell others, but he has trouble doing so. In the first place, he can find no human words adequate to describe these unearthly episodes. He also finds that others scoff, so he stops telling other people. Still, the experience affects his life profoundly especially his views about death and its relationship to life.

Another thing is Out OF body Experience (OBE):
There is the tunnel traveled through as well as the experiences of seeing one's own body from outside and seeming to have some other kind of body, and the ineffability is familiar. One is tempted to conclude that in death a typical OBE, or astral projection, occurs, and is followed by a transition to another world, with the aid of people who have already made the crossing, and that of higher beings in whose plane one is going to lead the next phase of existence


i call it spirit because from simple view spirit don't have bodies, when you destroy the body that energy(consciousness) which makes the body alive comes out instantly. That is real you. The term selfish offers ambiguity here. I my self don't want to live forever...cause what's the point..?, but if forever means forever then i want to be at peace, not stuff like hell fire etc.

well don't get me wrong here...When i heard people talk about heaven it is where i see there is reason to live. otherwise not.This world sucks man
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The elaboration of Near Death Experience is delusion. I call it Fantasy and stark Non-Sense.
The explanation of consciousness seems unsatisfactory because It is important to clarify our terms before starting using them. Would tell me what is consciousness?how do we perceive it? I hold on to that because i think it's a mistake to think that consciousness and spirit can be used interchangeably.
Boy!!when one talks about Body. It implies something physical made up of atoms, limited in space and time. Therefore, I do not understand the new body you are talking about?
Things of Hell or Heaven are typical construction of your own mind. They only exist in your mind. They are not independent themselves.
If you do not wanna live longer then why do you believe in immortality or life after death. The belief in immortality suggests to some extent a desire to live longer.
 
They tell us abraham is our father, but am black unlike semites and europeans..............I believe Nimrod is our Father.
How do men believe in the unseen?
If god realy loves us why would he allow many religions that lead to massacres in his name?
who has ever seen satan and why is he regarded as evil?
Africa,middle east an some parts of south america have the most religious people,poor people and warring people hence can I say poverty and religion are brothers?
 
mwaswast said:
I have questioned that and never gone crazy,infact am more enlightened and confident to say there is no god.
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I am happy to read what you wrote. Glad to know you are enlightened.
"Now you can Think for yourself"
 
mwaswast said:
They tell us abraham is our father, but am black unlike semites and europeans..............I believe Nimrod is our Father.
How do men believe in the unseen?
If god realy loves us why would he allow many religions that lead to massacres in his name?
who has ever seen satan and why is he regarded as evil?
Africa,middle east an some parts of south america have the most religious people,poor people and warring people hence can I say poverty and religion are brothers?
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A poor would fall for anything than a wealth contented person. A Religion inhibits people to pursue some of the goals which may lead believers to become rich. A Religion declares Does and Don'ts to believers, for that it controls their consciousnesses and take it to another level. it may even turns a Human into beast.
 
descarte said:
The elaboration of Near Death Experience is delusion. I call it Fantasy and stark Non-Sense.
The explanation of consciousness seems unsatisfactory because It is important to clarify our terms before starting using them. Would tell me what is consciousness?how do we perceive it? I hold on to that because i think it's a mistake to think that consciousness and spirit can be used interchangeably.
Boy!!when one talks about Body. It implies something physical made up of atoms, limited in space and time. Therefore, I do not understand the new body you are talking about?
Things of Hell or Heaven are typical construction of your own mind. They only exist in your mind. They are not independent themselves.
If you do not wanna live longer then why do you believe in immortality or life after death. The belief in immortality suggests to some extent a desire to live longer.
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People Who Have NDEs are Convinced It Was the Afterlife

10 Astonishing Near-Death Experiences - Listverse

Over time, the scientific literature that attempts to explain NDEs as the result of physical changes in a stressed or dying brain has also, commensurately, grown. The causes posited include an oxygen shortage, imperfect anesthesia, and the body's neurochemical responses to trauma. NDErs dismiss these explanations as inadequate. The medical conditions under which NDEs happen, they say, are too varied to explain a phenomenon that seems so widespread and consistent.
Yet even these skeptics rarely accuse experiencers of inventing their stories from whole cloth. Though some of these stories may be fabrications, and more no doubt become embellished in the retelling, they're too numerous and well documented to be dismissed altogether. It's also hard to ignore the accounts by respected physicians with professional reputations to protect. Even if the afterlife isn't real, the sensations of having been there certainly are.

There is something about NDEs that makes them scientifically intriguing. While you can't rely on an alien abduction or a spiritual visitation taking place just when you've got recording instruments handy, many NDEs happen when a person is surrounded by an arsenal of devices designed to measure every single thing about the body that human ingenuity has made us capable of measuring.

All of this makes NDEs perhaps the only spiritual experience that we have a chance of investigating in a truly thorough, scientific way. It makes them a vehicle for exploring the ancient human belief that we are more than meat. And it makes them a lens through which to peer at the workings of consciousness-one of the great mysteries of human existence, even for the most resolute materialist.

A near-death experience is any experience in which someone close to death or suffering from some trauma or disease that might lead to death perceives events that seem to be impossible, unusual or supernatural. While there are many questions about NDEs, one thing is certain -- they do exist. Thousands of people have actually perceived similar sensations while close to death. The debate is over whether or not they actually experienced what they perceived.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-science-of-near-death-experiences/386231/

 
dah! hii thread n ya wazungu tupu ngoja waswahili tupite tu.
 
Sijui ni vigezo gani vimetumika kuileta huku hii thread..:bange:
 
2013 said:
A poor would fall for anything than a wealth contented person. A Religion inhibits people to pursue some of the goals which may lead believers to become rich. A Religion declares Does and Don'ts to believers, for that it controls their consciousnesses and take it to another level. it may even turns a Human into beast.
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Very true, it explains why one would even die in the guise of ''defending'' god who is supposed to be a protector of human life.
 
Ant Christ movement!!

Masadiki kwa Mungu Baba Mwenyezi.
Muumba wa mbingu na dunia na kwa Yesu Kristo mwnnae wa pekee Bwana wetu
Aliyetungwa kwa Roho Mtakatifu
Akazaliwa na Bikira Maria
Akateswa kwa mamlaka ya Ponsio Pilato
Akafa akazikwa akashukia kuzimu. Siku ya tatu akafufuka katika wafu
Akapaa Mbinguni. Amekaa kuume kwa Mungu Baba Mwenyezi. Toka huko Atakuja
Kuwahukumu wazima na wafu.

NASADIKI kwa Roho Mtakatifu

Kanisa takatifu Katoliki

Ushirika wa watakatifu

Maondoleo ya dhambi

Ufufuko wa miili
Na uzima wa milele AMINA
 
linguistics said:
Ant Christ movement!!

Masadiki kwa Mungu Baba Mwenyezi.
Muumba wa mbingu na dunia na kwa Yesu Kristo mwnnae wa pekee Bwana wetu
Aliyetungwa kwa Roho Mtakatifu
Akazaliwa na Bikira Maria
Akateswa kwa mamlaka ya Ponsio Pilato
Akafa akazikwa akashukia kuzimu. Siku ya tatu akafufuka katika wafu
Akapaa Mbinguni. Amekaa kuume kwa Mungu Baba Mwenyezi. Toka huko Atakuja
Kuwahukumu wazima na wafu.

NASADIKI kwa Roho Mtakatifu

Kanisa takatifu Katoliki

Ushirika wa watakatifu

Maondoleo ya dhambi

Ufufuko wa miili
Na uzima wa milele AMINA
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Hahahaha........when I was a kid I once asked my sunday school teacher why we(protestants) dont go to catholic church yet we are all christians, she answered me " they are idol worshipers" but then we have this -NASADIKI kwa Roho Mtakatifu

Kanisa takatifu Katoliki

Ushirika wa watakatifu

Maondoleo ya dhambi
 
With all the debates about whether or not God is dead, if he isn't he had better have MEDICARE!
 
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