Against the Myth of Satan

[Ubavu]

And again

And again

 

[mjasiria]

Nashukuru kwa maelezo yako, Swali langu nimeenda moja kwa moja kwenye point kuu. Kuhusu kufahamu Mungu ni yupi na Shetani ni yupi nafahamu Myths zote hizo kwani nimezisoma na kuzitafakari kutoka katika imani tofauti na vitabu vyao vya kiimani.

Lakini ninapouliza hivyo ninamaanisha nimeweka uhuru, vyovyote unavyomuita au kumchukulia Shetani, mtu awe huru kuelezea jinsi anavyoweza kuonekana kama cause of evil kwa ushahidi.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to answer you satisfactorily if you already think "Mungu" and "Shetani" are myths. I mean whatever the answer is should be okay as long as these things are myths, don't you think? Why would anyone waste time justifying myths? Myths are meant to stay that way. May be when you start considering about Mungu & Shetani in a different perspective then you will be in position to discuss about these topics.

 

[mjasiria]

Oohhhh yeah l said it !!

Why should you follow the scientific method? Are you saying science has authority over everything. That it is absolute truth? I am sorry to disappoint you but science is subject of scrutiny as any other thing. This idea that science is somehow absolute and final is absurd!

 

[Ubavu]

Why should you follow the scientific method? Are you saying science has authority over everything. That it is absolute truth? I am sorry to disappoint you but science is subject of scrutiny as any other thing. This idea that science is somehow absolute and final is absurd!

Actually, of all things only science is the one which tries to find the truth. From the first procedure to the last. And also in science you are allowed question and so can be subjected to question. Can you question your religious belief ?
Religion claim to know things which it don't !

 

[mjasiria]

Actually, of all things only science is the one which tries to find the truth. From the first procedure to the last. And also in science you are allowed question and so can be subjected to question. Can you question your religious belief ?
Religion claim to know things which it don't !

So to you religion=Catholicism? Don't you think that would be very myopic way of generalizing all religion based on that single observation?? Who told you are not allowed to question in all religions? Surely you can question religions if you want. By the way there is no way you can question what you believe because the moment you do that you no longer believe which is okay because you get the chance to reaffirm what you believe in.

 

[Free ideas]

'The Universal is the way it is,either we like or not,The presence of the Intelligent designer depends on our minds.'
Religion and Faith will remain as a wishful thinking!

 

[Apollo]

It is IMPOSSIBLE to answer you satisfactorily if you already think "Mungu" and "Shetani" are myths. I mean whatever the answer is should be okay as long as these things are myths, don't you think? Why would anyone waste time justifying myths? Myths are meant to stay that way. May be when you start considering about Mungu & Shetani in a different perspective then you will be in position to discuss about these topics.

Yes, I do not believe in them. And I call them MYTHS because of their nature in relation to human consciousness and ability to create a reality. Through understanding the HUMAN MIND is possible to understand how it can create a reality and believe in it. I do not believe in Satan with a given personality, The same to the Idea of God.

Shetani na Mungu was a meaning behind and not as two personalities that exist somewhere outside of yourself. It is so hard to explain that, what is needed is to wake up and observe the reality. The reality is within man himself and not outside. Man have all the answers, seek by yourself.

 

[Apollo]

'the universal is the way it is,either we like or not,the presence of the intelligent designer depends on our minds.'
religion and faith will remain as a wishful thinking!

truth..

 

[mjasiria]

Yes, I do not believe in them. And I call them MYTHS because of their nature in relation to human consciousness and ability to create a reality. Through understanding the HUMAN MIND is possible to understand how it can create a reality and believe in it. I do not believe in Satan with a given personality, The same to the Idea of God.

Shetani na Mungu was a meaning behind and not as two personalities that exist somewhere outside of yourself. It is so hard to explain that, what is needed is to wake up and observe the reality. The reality is within man himself and not outside. Man have all the answers, seek by yourself.

So you got it all figured out, right? Well ,you don't need to ask questions now, do you?

 

[Elisonguo]

My friend, don't put yourself in trouble because in all religion the only thing that will make you a better believer is believing and trust. In short there is no eye witness of what was happening but we are believing what is written in our HOLLY BOOKS.

 

[Apollo]

So you got it all figured out, right? Well ,you don't need to ask questions now, do you?

The part that is asking unnecessary questions is the EGO part.
I learn to silence the mind. Silence the mind to see the reality as it is. That's why the answer is within.

 

[mjasiria]

'The Universal is the way it is,either we like or not,The presence of the Intelligent designer depends on our minds.'
Religion and Faith will remain as a wishful thinking!

You forget that faith and religion are the very part of this universe. Sometimes I wonder why people who think have free thinking tend to think religion & faith are things beyond the universe. These phenomena are here, don't you realize that? If nature created humans in a way that allows them to have faith, then nature had a purpose in it. You talk of faith as something detached from 'nature'!!! I mean if we come from mother nature then mother nature allowed faith to exist too. In other words faith is as real as your ideas. Get used to it.

 

[Maziku-Winston Smith]

Religion is the fantastic realization of human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality.

 

[descarte]

"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength
from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual
desires.
Devout believers are safeguarded in a high
degree against the risk of certain neurotic
illnesses; their acceptance of the universal
neurosis spares them the task of constructing a
personal one.
The Future of an Illusion
At bottom God is nothing more than an exalted
father.
Totem and Taboo
In the long run, nothing can withstand reason
and experience, and the contradiction religion
offers to both is palpable" BY Sigmund Freud a philosopher and Psychologist

 

[2013]

"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength
from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual
desires.
Devout believers are safeguarded in a high
degree against the risk of certain neurotic
illnesses; their acceptance of the universal
neurosis spares them the task of constructing a
personal one.
The Future of an Illusion
At bottom God is nothing more than an exalted
father.
Totem and Taboo
In the long run, nothing can withstand reason
and experience, and the contradiction religion
offers to both is palpable" BY Sigmund Freud a philosopher and Psychologist

Theproblem here is the use of reason Which we know very well that are limited, to denounce the presence of God.

Huwa najiuliza kiini Macho ni nini hasa? can the reason explain this in sequence?

 

[Maziku-Winston Smith]

Theproblem here is the use of reason Which we know very well that are limited, to denounce the presence of God.

Huwa najiuliza kiini Macho ni nini hasa? can the reason explain this in sequence?

You do not need any exceptional reason to denounce God's existence.
The proposition that God exists is dejected as soon as one examines the core characteristics of Judeo/Christian God of omnipotence,omniscient and omnibenevolent.How comes there is so much suffering and evil in this world while we claim that God is good?

 

[2013]

You do not need any exceptional reason to denounce God's existence.
The proposition that God exists is dejected as soon as one examines the core characteristics of Judeo/Christian God of omnipotence,omniscient and omnibenevolent.How comes there is so much suffering and evil in this world while we claim that God is good?

If your study sticks only to judeo-Christian religions, the book of Revelation explains it all. There is existence of God on one side of the coin and when you flip over there's is satan existence as well.

The world we living is like a jungle filled with predators. We were placed in the jungle as a result of our transgression.
We are preys in the jungle, satan is a predator somekind of snake or dragon. The vernom from predator'sbite turns us into a vampire. Where we will be no longer become human. The affected prey will be keep on biting on another, so the. Blood of a godson can purifies us, So in the judgment day all vampires will be incenarated in the hellfire.
God is a superman that can protect us from predator. He got the medicine. We possess only a nutshell knowledge about the rule of the game. One thing we know for sure., for us to be safe we need a superman in our side.

This is how things must go till the judgement day.

 

[descarte]

If your study sticks only to judeo-Christian religions, the book of Revelation explains it all. There is existence of God on one side of the coin and when you flip over there's is satan existence as well.

The world we living is like a jungle filled with predators. We were placed in the jungle as a result of our transgression.
We are preys in the jungle, satan is a predator somekind of snake or dragon. The vernom from predator'sbite turns us into a vampire. Where we will be no longer become human. The affected prey will be keep on biting on another, so the. Blood of a godson can purifies us, So in the judgment day all vampires will be incenarated in the hellfire.
God is a superman that can protect us from predator. He got the medicine. We possess only a nutshell knowledge about the rule of the game. One thing we know for sure., for us to be safe we need a superman in our side.

This is how things must go till the judgement day.

Illusion! What you said i think it is merely a construction of ur Nous

 

[2013]

Illusion! What you said i think it is merely a construction of ur Nous

Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me.- By Immanuel Kant

Some persons may refer to a rational worldview, free from gods and goblins, as just another one of many belief systems. They are implying that a rational view of Objective Reality is NO More Effective in Achieving Happiness than religious belief systems.



The difference between a faith-based belief system and a rational philosophy of life rests in the rejection of illusions and the affirmation of facts firmly embedded by objective evidence in a framework of science and natural laws.

Two types of phylosophy by definition;
Subjective reality refers to the reality inside your mind. It is the meaning you assign to things and events. All objects, dreams ideas and "truths" are different for each person.

Objectivity reality: A concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings.

katika hizi aina mbili za filosofi hapo juu, Dini ama imani ipo kwenye category ya subjective reality zaidi .Sababu ni kua hatuwezi kupuuza imani hizi kwani Uwezo wetu wa uthibitisha unategemea zaidi our senses. ambazo pia ni limited kati ya species na species. mfano uwezo wa popo usiku ni mzuri kuliko sisi kuona usiku. popo ana sense imara zaidi yetu nyakati za usiku.
mfano:
kuna Mwaka kamera zilinasa UFOs kule USA, watakati huo macho ya watu airpot yalikua hayaoni.profesa wa phyisics alijibu kua hiyo inatokana na Uwezo wetu, wa kutenganisha gases katika hewa. kamera ziliweza lakini sisi hatuna huo uwezo.

sasa kama sense yako ni weak haimaanishi USICHOKIONA hakipo. yaani pengine wako watu wame sense uwepo wa mungu na shetani katika Judeo christian religion ama imni nyingine hata ama wewe huja sense.

lakini katika filosofi ya Objective reality, Objective Truth is Not Ultimately True , cause unaweza ukaona object ukaamini ni TRUTH lakini baada ya muda ukakichunguza tena ukagundua kitu kingine zaidi na kuona kile cha awali hakikua Truth bali ni False.

hivyo basi kama we ni rational thinker pengine with time unaweza kuja gundua kuwa what you considered an Illusion is TRUTH

 

[descarte]

Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me.- By Immanuel Kant

Some persons may refer to a rational worldview, free from gods and goblins, as just another one of many belief systems. They are implying that a rational view of Objective Reality is NO More Effective in Achieving Happiness than religious belief systems.



The difference between a faith-based belief system and a rational philosophy of life rests in the rejection of illusions and the affirmation of facts firmly embedded by objective evidence in a framework of science and natural laws.

Two types of phylosophy by definition;
Subjective reality refers to the reality inside your mind. It is the meaning you assign to things and events. All objects, dreams ideas and “truths” are different for each person.

Objectivity reality: A concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings.

katika hizi aina mbili za filosofi hapo juu, Dini ama imani ipo kwenye category ya subjective reality zaidi .Sababu ni kua hatuwezi kupuuza imani hizi kwani Uwezo wetu wa uthibitisha unategemea zaidi our senses. ambazo pia ni limited kati ya species na species. mfano uwezo wa popo usiku ni mzuri kuliko sisi kuona usiku. popo ana sense imara zaidi yetu nyakati za usiku.
mfano:
kuna Mwaka kamera zilinasa UFOs kule USA, watakati huo macho ya watu airpot yalikua hayaoni.profesa wa phyisics alijibu kua hiyo inatokana na Uwezo wetu, wa kutenganisha gases katika hewa. kamera ziliweza lakini sisi hatuna huo uwezo.

sasa kama sense yako ni weak haimaanishi USICHOKIONA hakipo. yaani pengine wako watu wame sense uwepo wa mungu na shetani katika Judeo christian religion ama imni nyingine hata ama wewe huja sense.

lakini katika filosofi ya Objective reality, Objective Truth is Not Ultimately True , cause unaweza ukaona object ukaamini ni TRUTH lakini baada ya muda ukakichunguza tena ukagundua kitu kingine zaidi na kuona kile cha awali hakikua Truth bali ni False.

hivyo basi kama we ni rational thinker pengine with time unaweza kuja gundua kuwa what you considered an Illusion is TRUTH

You qouted Kant to support your view, he said the existence of God can be postulated through practical reason. He denied any rational account for the existence of Supreme Being. He went further to elaborate moral imperatives within himself and postulated the existence of God. Therefore, Kant suffers the same critic he offered to rationalists because he has his categories of mind which he said that our mind are fine tuned to understand reality in these categories. If that is the Kant's claim then how does he account for God, which category do we employ while thinking about God. If fact he was brilliant fellow that is why he used the word "postulate" because when you scrutinize his opinion it falls short. In fact even if there are moral laws within us (which I don't believe if we real have those laws) it does mean that we cannot explain some of moral imperative without postulating God's existence. I think, it is because Kant existed before Charles Darwin thats why he said so.
Additionally, if you hold firm that faith is subjective,then you are absolutely correct. In fact you agree with Freud completely that religion is illusion and erroneous to man