After he is gone, then what?

Nyani Ngabu said:

For years many people have been virtue signaling about the pervasiveness of corruption in the country.

Then it’s these same people who are now against the efforts made to combat it.

I don’t get it and maybe I’ll never get it.

I lay blame squarely on CCM for fostering it. They are the ones who created this ogre of corruption and allowed it to grow to uncontrollable levels.

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Nyani Ngabu,
How did it come that yu do not see the reason that the very same people who were so much eager to see corruption is rooted out are now against him?? The reason is; They are the very same people just enabling each other to eat more and more the very same small cake. How long do yu think it will take before the economy collapse?? Within no time. That is why he came up and tried to trim the number and leave only a small number chewing the log. one day, it will bend and give way. Time will tell

Haya mliokuwa mnasema NYANI NGABU sijui ni marehemu gani ndio huyu hapa sasa

mitale na midimu said:

unaandikaga maengish magumu mkuu hadi unaacha kushangaa mada unashangaa viinglish. ila nimeelewa...

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Pole. Ila nafurahi kusikia kuwa umeelewa.

Crimea said:

Haya mliokuwa mnasema NYANI NGABU sijui ni marehemu gani ndio huyu hapa sasa

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Hao vilomolomo ndo walonozika kaburini au?

Nyani Ngabu said:

Hao vilomolomo ndo walonozika kaburini au?

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Ni wajinga kweli mkuu,

Hey said:

If fighting corruption is the end game, how does weaking the civil space help get there? Curtailing press freedoms? A legislative that many would argue has been demoted to a lesser role? Unprecedented political pressure on the office CAG?

Never before in our history have we had people in public office commit criminal offence with impunity we have rapidly come to accept in the space of 3 years.

How you manage to square that circle, I fail to see. What am I missing?

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Everything you mention in the first paragraph has very little or non to do with central Gov, I came to realize some Tanzanians they hate the idea of being regulated, but at the same time they fail to regulate themselves and they think the idea of one nation must be imported from abroad rather than having the one which works for us and for the interests of foreigners. We all know there laws guiding press freedom and freedom of expression, but in mysterious ways, Tanzania media houses seem to "purposely" forget them. Civil society is still enjoying the freedom of doing what was agreed to do, Civil society is still enjoying the freedom of doing what was agreed to do, it only starts to get awkward when a group of civil society abandons their purpose and starts to engage in politics as if they're elected voice of the people.

Relief Mirzska said:

Then spit it out, the only thing we ask is transparency! We are totally fine with whichever system be it monarchy or dictatorship just spit out.

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If you can't find information then you haven't looked hard enough, what is the purpose of your local MP, why don't you start with him/her. I wonder if you've even interacted with them, you should know part of their job is to inform you what's going on and collect your views on any subject troubling you.

Nyani Ngabu said:

And you are spewing all this nonsense in a place where there is no democracy, right?

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Where have you been for quite number of days? I thought you were in jail baby.

Shikamooo Nyani Ngabu. I'm happy to see your thread! Good!!

Nyani Ngabu said:

President Magufuli.

It’s like he’s the only one who cares.

The only one who’s at least trying to do something about it.

It seems like he is fighting it all by his lonesome.

After he is gone, after he is no longer president, then what?

Will things revert back to how they were before he took the reigns of power?

I don’t have the answers to those questions so I will just have to wait for Father Time to tell me.

But such are the pernicious effects of unchecked venality.

People got so used to cutting corners in just about everything imaginable.

Corruption, grand and petty, became the norm.

Then he came along and tried to upset the apple cart. And to no surprise but to the chagrin of some of us, the pushback he’s getting makes us scratch our heads.

For years many people have been virtue signaling about the pervasiveness of corruption in the country.

Then it’s these same people who are now against the efforts made to combat it.

I don’t get it and maybe I’ll never get it.

I lay blame squarely on CCM for fostering it. They are the ones who created this ogre of corruption and allowed it to grow to uncontrollable levels.

It’s sad to see even what would seemingly be minor projects being micromanaged by the president.

Like, without his direct supervision nothing will ever get done.

Sometimes I wonder if we even know what we really want!

Sad state of affairs.

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Nyani Ngabu said:

Pole. Ila nafurahi kusikia kuwa umeelewa.

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poa mkuu. kuna kipindi ulipotea tukajua umededi.
shusha umombo kwa kweli unautendea haki hadi raha.

Makupa said:

I have no doubt with his stand against grand corruption, but I think that,the best thing JPM can do it is to ensure there would be strong Institutions which shall act reagardles who is power since it wont be possible to have another Magufuli.Withouth strong governance Institutions,I have no doubt that come 2026 all the gains we have realized in just four years of his presidency would be history .

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Ndugu Makupa, i second your argument. I am seiling in the same boat with you. It is true, the President is doing a great job and he may have very good intendions but the only problem is on sustainability of what he is doing. He is a President and more so a very good one but he is a human being. He wont be there forever. When he leaves office, those with ill motives will surface and turn the country upside down. The only thing that would ensure sustainability is having a strong institutional framework (agood constitution, good other laws and regulations etc). Countries which are prosperous like Sweden and Denmark have strong institutions. They dont rely on a particulay person. Whoever is elected is supposed to implement the blue print provided by the strong institutions. That is what we need.

Cicero said:

Sycophant. Is what you are. Try harder he just might notice you.

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mkuu umempatia kweli kweli,na ndio tabia ya nyani ngabu toka moyoni mwake,kujipendekeza kulikopitiliza

Bau

Nyani Ngabu said:

President Magufuli.

It’s like he’s the only one who cares.

The only one who’s at least trying to do something about it.

It seems like he is fighting it all by his lonesome.

After he is gone, after he is no longer president, then what?

Will things revert back to how they were before he took the reigns of power?

I don’t have the answers to those questions so I will just have to wait for Father Time to tell me.

But such are the pernicious effects of unchecked venality.

People got so used to cutting corners in just about everything imaginable.

Corruption, grand and petty, became the norm.

Then he came along and tried to upset the apple cart. And to no surprise but to the chagrin of some of us, the pushback he’s getting makes us scratch our heads.

For years many people have been virtue signaling about the pervasiveness of corruption in the country.

Then it’s these same people who are now against the efforts made to combat it.

I don’t get it and maybe I’ll never get it.

I lay blame squarely on CCM for fostering it. They are the ones who created this ogre of corruption and allowed it to grow to uncontrollable levels.

It’s sad to see even what would seemingly be minor projects being micromanaged by the president.

Like, without his direct supervision nothing will ever get done.

Sometimes I wonder if we even know what we really want!

Sad state of affairs.

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Umenikumbusha Jasiri Muongoza njia mawingu!

johnthebaptist said:

Umenikumbusha Jasiri Muongoza njia mawingu!

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Hivi huyo Jasiri whatever ndo nani?

Nyani Ngabu said:

President Magufuli.

It’s like he’s the only one who cares.

The only one who’s at least trying to do something about it.

It seems like he is fighting it all by his lonesome.

After he is gone, after he is no longer president, then what?

Will things revert back to how they were before he took the reigns of power?

I don’t have the answers to those questions so I will just have to wait for Father Time to tell me.


It’s sad to see even what would seemingly be minor projects being micromanaged by the president.

Like, without his direct supervision nothing will ever get done.
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Sometimes I wonder if we even know what we really want!

Sad state of affairs.

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Themagufulianz said:

Hiyo system iko ok.... bunge nk .... Sheria tunazo tena katiba.... Shida ni watu walioko kwenye hivyo vyombo..
Mfano spika akitanguliza njaa akajipendekeza kwa President na kupoteza madaraka yake sio shida ya system...
Ikiwa serikali kila mtu jinga.. ila ikiwa KAMPUNI kuna sense ya woga na ownership

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..system haiko OK kwasababu imewekewa "matundu" mengi yanayowezesha watawala kui-abuse.

Themagufulianz said:

Hakuna positive results.. hata flyover ni negative results?
Judgement yako inatumia political attitude and biasness mkuu..
Tukosoe cha kukosoa na tusifu cha kusifu

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..kuhamia Dodoma, manunuzi ya ndege, kuvamizi ktk biashara ya korosho, kuvunjia wananchi nyumba zao huku zuio la mahakama likipuuzwa, ni kati ya maamuzi yasiyokuwa na tija kwa nchi.

Nyani Ngabu said:

Will things revert back to how they were before he took the reigns of power?

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Well, this is the easiest question to answer; and in fact we have answered this question countless times here and elsewhere.

The leadership style he has adapted, that of 'one-man show' will ensure that every bit of his legacy crumbles the moment he is out of power.

Take one example, the popular fight against corruption. He has fought it by sheer force; no support mechanisms that will ensure people would have internalized the fight in a way that would support the fight. There are no reward mechanisms, only intimidation is relied upon a a means that will deliver results.

Guess what, even now, people have devised ways of doing their thing, intimidation notwithstanding.

In short, what ever Magufuli is doing has no sustainability beyond his leadership.

His only legacy will be of physical structures, roads, bridges, Stieglers gorge, Dodoma and so forth.

In short, his leadership has no philosophical articulation. No ideas/thought about anything concerning his leadershi.

However, biggest leadership failure that will always be around him is his antagonistic, forceful approach that is leading to the loss of our national cohesion. This will be a big disappointment for many who had started of with optimism about his leadership..
Now he is proving daily that he is incapable of uniting the people of this great nation.

Sooner or later, he will be relying solely on state power to keep him in office.

KITEKSORO said:

Ndugu Makupa, i second your argument. I am seiling in the same boat with you. It is true, the President is doing a great job and he may have very good intendions but the only problem is on sustainability of what he is doing. He is a President and more so a very good one but he is a human being. He wont be there forever. When he leaves office, those with ill motives will surface and turn the country upside down. The only thing that would ensure sustainability is having a strong institutional framework (agood constitution, good other laws and regulations etc). Countries which are prosperous like Sweden and Denmark have strong institutions. They dont rely on a particulay person. Whoever is elected is supposed to implement the blue print provided by the strong institutions. That is what we need.

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Mkuu,you have said it all.