What Has Gone Wrong in Catholic Seminaries?


R.B

R.B

JF-Expert Member
Joined
May 10, 2012
Messages
6,294
Likes
1,262
Points
280
R.B

R.B

JF-Expert Member
Joined May 10, 2012
6,294 1,262 280
WHAT HAS GONE WRONG IN CATHOLIC SEMINARIES?

IN May 1984 I completed my secondary schooling at Usa River seminary in Arusha region. When the examination results were announced three months later, my school was rated among the best ten schools nationally, a situation that also reflected my Form Four examination results at Uru seminary in Moshi district, Kilimanjaro in 1981.

That year, the school came third nationwide. Since then I have been following with keen interest the results of these two schools, which have made me be what I am today.

I am indebted to teachers of the two schools, who tirelessly made sure that we performed well in our examinations.

Until recently, Catholic seminaries countrywide were leading whenever 'O' and 'A' Level examination results were announced. Unfortunately, leading streak is no longer there. For the past three years, these two seminaries have hardly ever appeared in the list of the ten best schools.

A vivid example is the 'A' Level results announced on Friday, that shows that not one single seminary is listed amongst the top ten. The top ten schools are, Marian, Mzumbe, Feza Boys, Ilboru, Kisimiri and Saint Marys' Mazinde Juu. Others are Tabora Girls, Igowole, Kibaha and Kifungilo.

Saint James Seminary in Kilimanjaro region is listed amongst the best schools in the group of schools having less than thirty students. In fact one of its students Gasper Setus is one of the best students who performed well in science subjects. He did very well in Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics (PCM). Going quickly through the examination results in some seminaries, one discovers that Katoke Seminary in Kagera region had eight candidates in last year's Form Six exams, and all of them got division three.

Kasita Seminary had 21 candidates. Seven of them scored division two, and 14 attained division three. One of the best seminaries in the past, Itaga seminary in Tabora region had 33 students. Five of them got division two, 23 division three, 3 division four and two division zero. Uru and Mafinga seminaries led with a number of students who got division one. Both schools had four students each who got division one.

Other seminaries with students who got division one are Nyegezi (3), Saint James Seminary (3) and Consolatha seminary, one student. Other seminaries including Katoke, Kasita, Maua, Saint Peters, Rubya, Salesian, Usa River, Makoko, Dungunyi and Sanu did not have candidates who scored division one.
In fact seminary like Likonde had only two candidates who got division four. Looking randomly at these results, it is definitely sure that there is something not going well in these schools because the performance has gone down. One of the reasons that might have led to this poor performance could be recruitment.

There have been complaints that admission to seminaries does not follow strict procedures. In the past, a student who was accepted in any seminary was first supposed to be recommended by his parish, a process that also trickled down to the Small Christian Communities (SCCs) for recommendation.

Student's moral upright and intellectual capacities were considered the pre-requisite condition for any student to join a Catholic seminary. In the recent past the situation is said to have changed. Well-to-do parents now pick their mobile phones and call a rector of a seminary, asking him to accept their child.

As a result that particular child may end up joining the seminary without passing the normal procedural route of accepting students in seminaries, a situation that sees immoral and incapable candidates in the seminaries. Incompetence on the part of teachers may be one of the reasons that have contributed to poor examination results of Catholic seminaries. Some of them have failed to pay the good teachers, and as a result, bungling teachers are hired, thus causing bad results.

Teaching in seminaries calls for special commitment. This is evidently demonstrated by some teachers, and a vivid example is Saint James Seminary in Kilimanjaro region. Over 85 per cent of teachers there are priests who are not graduates but they are committed in their duty, that is why that seminary has maintained its pace for years.

A survey has also shown that libraries and laboratories in some seminaries are not up to date storing outdated data. Students in seminaries also should be allowed to access internet as in other schools. The Tanzania Episcopal Conference (TEC) should start looking critically at these results for improvement in the future.

Apart from priests, seminaries have produced competent professionals, including professors, doctors, accountants, teachers and even journalists. If the current situation continues, seminaries may end up having producing school drop outs with nowhere to go.
 
PhD

PhD

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Jul 15, 2009
Messages
3,895
Likes
1,045
Points
280
PhD

PhD

JF-Expert Member
Joined Jul 15, 2009
3,895 1,045 280
WHAT HAS GONE WRONG IN CATHOLIC SEMINARIES?

IN May 1984 I completed my secondary schooling at Usa River seminary in Arusha region. When the examination results were announced three months later, my school was rated among the best ten schools nationally, a situation that also reflected my Form Four examination results at Uru seminary in Moshi district, Kilimanjaro in 1981.

That year, the school came third nationwide. Since then I have been following with keen interest the results of these two schools, which have made me be what I am today.

I am indebted to teachers of the two schools, who tirelessly made sure that we performed well in our examinations.

Until recently, Catholic seminaries countrywide were leading whenever 'O' and 'A' Level examination results were announced. Unfortunately, leading streak is no longer there. For the past three years, these two seminaries have hardly ever appeared in the list of the ten best schools.

A vivid example is the 'A' Level results announced on Friday, that shows that not one single seminary is listed amongst the top ten. The top ten schools are, Marian, Mzumbe, Feza Boys, Ilboru, Kisimiri and Saint Marys' Mazinde Juu. Others are Tabora Girls, Igowole, Kibaha and Kifungilo.

Saint James Seminary in Kilimanjaro region is listed amongst the best schools in the group of schools having less than thirty students. In fact one of its students Gasper Setus is one of the best students who performed well in science subjects. He did very well in Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics (PCM). Going quickly through the examination results in some seminaries, one discovers that Katoke Seminary in Kagera region had eight candidates in last year's Form Six exams, and all of them got division three.

Kasita Seminary had 21 candidates. Seven of them scored division two, and 14 attained division three. One of the best seminaries in the past, Itaga seminary in Tabora region had 33 students. Five of them got division two, 23 division three, 3 division four and two division zero. Uru and Mafinga seminaries led with a number of students who got division one. Both schools had four students each who got division one.

Other seminaries with students who got division one are Nyegezi (3), Saint James Seminary (3) and Consolatha seminary, one student. Other seminaries including Katoke, Kasita, Maua, Saint Peters, Rubya, Salesian, Usa River, Makoko, Dungunyi and Sanu did not have candidates who scored division one.
In fact seminary like Likonde had only two candidates who got division four. Looking randomly at these results, it is definitely sure that there is something not going well in these schools because the performance has gone down. One of the reasons that might have led to this poor performance could be recruitment.

There have been complaints that admission to seminaries does not follow strict procedures. In the past, a student who was accepted in any seminary was first supposed to be recommended by his parish, a process that also trickled down to the Small Christian Communities (SCCs) for recommendation.

Student's moral upright and intellectual capacities were considered the pre-requisite condition for any student to join a Catholic seminary. In the recent past the situation is said to have changed. Well-to-do parents now pick their mobile phones and call a rector of a seminary, asking him to accept their child.

As a result that particular child may end up joining the seminary without passing the normal procedural route of accepting students in seminaries, a situation that sees immoral and incapable candidates in the seminaries. Incompetence on the part of teachers may be one of the reasons that have contributed to poor examination results of Catholic seminaries. Some of them have failed to pay the good teachers, and as a result, bungling teachers are hired, thus causing bad results.

Teaching in seminaries calls for special commitment. This is evidently demonstrated by some teachers, and a vivid example is Saint James Seminary in Kilimanjaro region. Over 85 per cent of teachers there are priests who are not graduates but they are committed in their duty, that is why that seminary has maintained its pace for years.

A survey has also shown that libraries and laboratories in some seminaries are not up to date storing outdated data. Students in seminaries also should be allowed to access internet as in other schools. The Tanzania Episcopal Conference (TEC) should start looking critically at these results for improvement in the future.

Apart from priests, seminaries have produced competent professionals, including professors, doctors, accountants, teachers and even journalists. If the current situation continues, seminaries may end up having producing school drop outs with nowhere to go.
tunahitaji tafakari nzito kwa suala hili
 
Janjaweed

Janjaweed

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2010
Messages
9,905
Likes
1,342
Points
280
Janjaweed

Janjaweed

JF-Expert Member
Joined Jan 20, 2010
9,905 1,342 280
jibu limetoka wa makopolo... mengine yote ni blah blah tu
 
Nicholas

Nicholas

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Mar 7, 2006
Messages
25,231
Likes
2,519
Points
280
Nicholas

Nicholas

JF-Expert Member
Joined Mar 7, 2006
25,231 2,519 280
Pia suala la kuwa na syllabus za kihuni, za zamani na sasa...na utungaji nao kuwa tofauti.Kuwepo ka hule nyingi zenye ubora kuliko seminary nyingi kunafanya wanafunzi kupenda uhuru zaidi, na hivyo seminary kukosa idadi kubwa ya kuchuja km zamani.

Vitabu vibaya na vyenye makosa vya akina Nyangwine, wanafunzi na wasaihishaji wanapata wrong concepts na mwshowe kukutana wakiwa tofauti sana ktk Necta.

Kuna kipindi shule niliwahi liona liona hilo....unaweza kuta walimu ambao wanakufundisha kujibu maswali kama atakavyo na si kama somo husika lielezavyo....kufaulu somo ni kujua apendacho mwalimu kuliko somo.Sasa kuwafahamu wasahihishaji usiwajua ni issue kubwa, na hata ukimfahamu marking scheme si yeye kaandaa.
 
H

Honolulu

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2012
Messages
5,650
Likes
35
Points
145
H

Honolulu

JF-Expert Member
Joined Jan 20, 2012
5,650 35 145
Ndio faida za vita dhidi ya mfumo Kristo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Tume ya Katiba

Tume ya Katiba

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Apr 6, 2012
Messages
4,898
Likes
755
Points
280
Tume ya Katiba

Tume ya Katiba

JF-Expert Member
Joined Apr 6, 2012
4,898 755 280
Mirija ya wizi imekatwa
 
Jimjuls

Jimjuls

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2011
Messages
466
Likes
25
Points
45
Age
30
Jimjuls

Jimjuls

JF-Expert Member
Joined Jun 10, 2011
466 25 45
WHAT HAS GONE WRONG IN CATHOLIC SEMINARIES?

IN May 1984 I completed my secondary schooling at Usa River seminary in Arusha region. When the examination results were announced three months later, my school was rated among the best ten schools nationally, a situation that also reflected my Form Four examination results at Uru seminary in Moshi district, Kilimanjaro in 1981.

That year, the school came third nationwide. Since then I have been following with keen interest the results of these two schools, which have made me be what I am today.

I am indebted to teachers of the two schools, who tirelessly made sure that we performed well in our examinations.

Until recently, Catholic seminaries countrywide were leading whenever 'O' and 'A' Level examination results were announced. Unfortunately, leading streak is no longer there. For the past three years, these two seminaries have hardly ever appeared in the list of the ten best schools.

A vivid example is the 'A' Level results announced on Friday, that shows that not one single seminary is listed amongst the top ten. The top ten schools are, Marian, Mzumbe, Feza Boys, Ilboru, Kisimiri and Saint Marys' Mazinde Juu. Others are Tabora Girls, Igowole, Kibaha and Kifungilo.

Saint James Seminary in Kilimanjaro region is listed amongst the best schools in the group of schools having less than thirty students. In fact one of its students Gasper Setus is one of the best students who performed well in science subjects. He did very well in Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics (PCM). Going quickly through the examination results in some seminaries, one discovers that Katoke Seminary in Kagera region had eight candidates in last year's Form Six exams, and all of them got division three.

Kasita Seminary had 21 candidates. Seven of them scored division two, and 14 attained division three. One of the best seminaries in the past, Itaga seminary in Tabora region had 33 students. Five of them got division two, 23 division three, 3 division four and two division zero. Uru and Mafinga seminaries led with a number of students who got division one. Both schools had four students each who got division one.

Other seminaries with students who got division one are Nyegezi (3), Saint James Seminary (3) and Consolatha seminary, one student. Other seminaries including Katoke, Kasita, Maua, Saint Peters, Rubya, Salesian, Usa River, Makoko, Dungunyi and Sanu did not have candidates who scored division one.
In fact seminary like Likonde had only two candidates who got division four. Looking randomly at these results, it is definitely sure that there is something not going well in these schools because the performance has gone down. One of the reasons that might have led to this poor performance could be recruitment.

There have been complaints that admission to seminaries does not follow strict procedures. In the past, a student who was accepted in any seminary was first supposed to be recommended by his parish, a process that also trickled down to the Small Christian Communities (SCCs) for recommendation.

Student's moral upright and intellectual capacities were considered the pre-requisite condition for any student to join a Catholic seminary. In the recent past the situation is said to have changed. Well-to-do parents now pick their mobile phones and call a rector of a seminary, asking him to accept their child.

As a result that particular child may end up joining the seminary without passing the normal procedural route of accepting students in seminaries, a situation that sees immoral and incapable candidates in the seminaries. Incompetence on the part of teachers may be one of the reasons that have contributed to poor examination results of Catholic seminaries. Some of them have failed to pay the good teachers, and as a result, bungling teachers are hired, thus causing bad results.

Teaching in seminaries calls for special commitment. This is evidently demonstrated by some teachers, and a vivid example is Saint James Seminary in Kilimanjaro region. Over 85 per cent of teachers there are priests who are not graduates but they are committed in their duty, that is why that seminary has maintained its pace for years.

A survey has also shown that libraries and laboratories in some seminaries are not up to date storing outdated data. Students in seminaries also should be allowed to access internet as in other schools. The Tanzania Episcopal Conference (TEC) should start looking critically at these results for improvement in the future.

Apart from priests, seminaries have produced competent professionals, including professors, doctors, accountants, teachers and even journalists. If the current situation continues, seminaries may end up having producing school drop outs with nowhere to go.
Unayoyasema ni kweli kabisa.Ila nani amfunge paka kengele? Ukiuliza unaambiwa wewe ni kijana wa juzi...Hata mimi ni mdau wa Seminari na huwa nawauliza mapadre kwanini seminari yetu ya Jimbo la Arusha inafeli sana?Wanabaki kusema hawajui tatizo ni nini pia.Sasa kwa mwendo huu tutapotea kwenye ramani sasa.
 
D

dav22

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Feb 22, 2012
Messages
1,897
Likes
38
Points
145
D

dav22

JF-Expert Member
Joined Feb 22, 2012
1,897 38 145
seminari zimeshindwa kuchange kuendana na hali halisi mfano seminari kama rubya kuke kagera walimu ni mapadre sasa unakuta padre mwingine hayuko updated kabisa anatumia style ya kufundisha iliyokuwa inatumiaka miaka 20 iliyopita na mapadre wengine wanapewa masomo wasiyoyaweza kufundisha kabisa sasa unategemea nn hapo??na seminari nyingine zinawatreat mfano wanafunzi wa A level kama watoto wa kindergaten hapo huwezi tegemea kupata hizo one mkuu.....
 
N

NOD

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Mar 31, 2011
Messages
632
Likes
444
Points
80
N

NOD

JF-Expert Member
Joined Mar 31, 2011
632 444 80
WHAT HAS GONE WRONG IN CATHOLIC SEMINARIES?

IN May 1984 I completed my secondary schooling at Usa River seminary in Arusha region. When the examination results were announced three months later, my school was rated among the best ten schools nationally, a situation that also reflected my Form Four examination results at Uru seminary in Moshi district, Kilimanjaro in 1981.

That year, the school came third nationwide. Since then I have been following with keen interest the results of these two schools, which have made me be what I am today.

I am indebted to teachers of the two schools, who tirelessly made sure that we performed well in our examinations.

Until recently, Catholic seminaries countrywide were leading whenever 'O' and 'A' Level examination results were announced. Unfortunately, leading streak is no longer there. For the past three years, these two seminaries have hardly ever appeared in the list of the ten best schools.

A vivid example is the 'A' Level results announced on Friday, that shows that not one single seminary is listed amongst the top ten. The top ten schools are, Marian, Mzumbe, Feza Boys, Ilboru, Kisimiri and Saint Marys' Mazinde Juu. Others are Tabora Girls, Igowole, Kibaha and Kifungilo.

Saint James Seminary in Kilimanjaro region is listed amongst the best schools in the group of schools having less than thirty students. In fact one of its students Gasper Setus is one of the best students who performed well in science subjects. He did very well in Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics (PCM). Going quickly through the examination results in some seminaries, one discovers that Katoke Seminary in Kagera region had eight candidates in last year's Form Six exams, and all of them got division three.

Kasita Seminary had 21 candidates. Seven of them scored division two, and 14 attained division three. One of the best seminaries in the past, Itaga seminary in Tabora region had 33 students. Five of them got division two, 23 division three, 3 division four and two division zero. Uru and Mafinga seminaries led with a number of students who got division one. Both schools had four students each who got division one.

Other seminaries with students who got division one are Nyegezi (3), Saint James Seminary (3) and Consolatha seminary, one student. Other seminaries including Katoke, Kasita, Maua, Saint Peters, Rubya, Salesian, Usa River, Makoko, Dungunyi and Sanu did not have candidates who scored division one.
In fact seminary like Likonde had only two candidates who got division four. Looking randomly at these results, it is definitely sure that there is something not going well in these schools because the performance has gone down. One of the reasons that might have led to this poor performance could be recruitment.

There have been complaints that admission to seminaries does not follow strict procedures. In the past, a student who was accepted in any seminary was first supposed to be recommended by his parish, a process that also trickled down to the Small Christian Communities (SCCs) for recommendation.

Student's moral upright and intellectual capacities were considered the pre-requisite condition for any student to join a Catholic seminary. In the recent past the situation is said to have changed. Well-to-do parents now pick their mobile phones and call a rector of a seminary, asking him to accept their child.

As a result that particular child may end up joining the seminary without passing the normal procedural route of accepting students in seminaries, a situation that sees immoral and incapable candidates in the seminaries. Incompetence on the part of teachers may be one of the reasons that have contributed to poor examination results of Catholic seminaries. Some of them have failed to pay the good teachers, and as a result, bungling teachers are hired, thus causing bad results.

Teaching in seminaries calls for special commitment. This is evidently demonstrated by some teachers, and a vivid example is Saint James Seminary in Kilimanjaro region. Over 85 per cent of teachers there are priests who are not graduates but they are committed in their duty, that is why that seminary has maintained its pace for years.

A survey has also shown that libraries and laboratories in some seminaries are not up to date storing outdated data. Students in seminaries also should be allowed to access internet as in other schools. The Tanzania Episcopal Conference (TEC) should start looking critically at these results for improvement in the future.

Apart from priests, seminaries have produced competent professionals, including professors, doctors, accountants, teachers and even journalists. If the current situation continues, seminaries may end up having producing school drop outs with nowhere to go.
Statistics used to justify your argument are not true! They are the best in term of pass marks! Review your statistics!
 
Y

Yarrot

Member
Joined
Sep 4, 2011
Messages
85
Likes
7
Points
15
Y

Yarrot

Member
Joined Sep 4, 2011
85 7 15
Ni kweli yote uliyoyazungumza, this is a wake up call for all Catholic Seminaries and all Catholic Owned Schools. Katika dunia nzima kanisa Katoliki linaheshimika kwa mfumo wake wa elimu, kuna mahali tumejisahau tunatakiwa tujirekebishe.... Wahusika wanaosimamia kitengo hiki wasikie na kutafakari ujumbe wa huyu mhusika!
 
O

Otorong'ong'o

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
34,418
Likes
14,569
Points
280
O

Otorong'ong'o

JF-Expert Member
Joined Aug 17, 2011
34,418 14,569 280
TEC itupe majibu...Miaka 10 iliyopita nafasi 6 bora Kitaifa zilikuwa ni lazima zitoke Seminari lakini nashindwa kuelewa ni nn kimezikumba Seminari hizi...
Wapi Maua seminari..
Wapi Uru
Wapi St. James
Wapi Don Bosco
Wapi Arusha Catholic....you mention them....TEC kitengo cha Elimu watupe majibu na way forward....
Now days Catholic Religious schools ndo zimekuwa bora kuliko Seminari...
 
O

Otorong'ong'o

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
34,418
Likes
14,569
Points
280
O

Otorong'ong'o

JF-Expert Member
Joined Aug 17, 2011
34,418 14,569 280
Ni kweli yote uliyoyazungumza, this is a wake up call for all Catholic Seminaries and all Catholic Owned Schools. Katika dunia nzima kanisa Katoliki linaheshimika kwa mfumo wake wa elimu, kuna mahali tumejisahau tunatakiwa tujirekebishe.... Wahusika wanaosimamia kitengo hiki wasikie na kutafakari ujumbe wa huyu mhusika!
Ni ujumbe mahususi sana kwa ustawi wa Seminari zetu..
 
N

ngonani

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Aug 27, 2012
Messages
1,371
Likes
204
Points
160
N

ngonani

JF-Expert Member
Joined Aug 27, 2012
1,371 204 160
Nashukuru umeliona ilo,cha kwanza kabisa inachobidi u-note ni kuwa Seminary nyingi bado zinafanya vizuri O-LEVEL,mfano Shule mpya ya Ushirombo seminary[queen of apostrophe seminary ilkuwa ya pili kitaifa kwa shule zenye wanafunzi chini ya 30]ziko nyingine zilizokuwemo kwenye 10 bora.Tatizo ni kuwa seminary nyingi kwa sasa zimekuwa na manyanyaso na ufukuzaji usio na mpangilio,wanafunzi asilimia 98 wanaomaliza O-level seminary ukimwambia kuendelea seminary A-LEVEL yuko radhi ata abaki nyumbani awe mkulima,wengi hawataki tena kusikia seminary wala kufikiria masuala ya wito.Motokeo ya hii hali ni kuwa Seminary nyingi ukosa wanafunzi wa kuendelea A level na wale wachache wanaobakia ni wale wenye ufaulu mdogo,seminary nyingi uanza kutafuta wanafunzi mitaani wa kujazia nafasi na matokeo yake ndio hayo.
Pia tofauti na zamani sasa hivi kuna upendeleo wa hali ya juu katika kupata wanafunzi wa kujiunga na A-level
 
J

juva

Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2013
Messages
90
Likes
16
Points
15
J

juva

Member
Joined Mar 25, 2013
90 16 15
wakatoliki walivyomakini watakuwa wa,eshaona udhaifu watatoa ufafanuzi tu ...
 
tatanyengo

tatanyengo

JF-Expert Member
Joined
Mar 30, 2011
Messages
1,138
Likes
3
Points
135
tatanyengo

tatanyengo

JF-Expert Member
Joined Mar 30, 2011
1,138 3 135
Real. something must be done to rescue the situation. Nikiwa kama mdau wa Makoko na Nyegezi, miaka ya 90 hali ilikuwa tofauti kabisa. Nakumbuka mwaka 1988 katika mtihani wa kidato cha pili, shule yetu (Makoko) ilikuwa ya tatu katika kanda ya Ziwa. Miaka ya hivi karibuni Makoko imekuwa haisikiki kivile. Nami napendekeza TEC ifanye utafiti ili kubaini chanzo cha tatizo ili tuokoe kizazi kinachopita seminarini.
 
kimanu

kimanu

Senior Member
Joined
May 31, 2013
Messages
196
Likes
5
Points
35
kimanu

kimanu

Senior Member
Joined May 31, 2013
196 5 35
Wapi Soni Seminary? my school!
pitiful!
 

Forum statistics

Threads 1,273,260
Members 490,343
Posts 30,475,598