The Fallacy of the Eden Garden Story

Dr. Wansegamila

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Why is Eve blamed for eating the fruit?

Because people are not good at reading comprehension.

There’s a garden, and in it are a pair of humans, but those humans literally cannot distinguish good from evil.

There is a tree in that garden, and it has fruit which grant the eaters the knowledge of good and evil.

The man and woman are immortal, and again, don’t know good from evil, so inevitably, eventually, it’s going to happen that one of them eats from the tree. It can’t not happen.

Now, in the story, Eve happens to be the first to do so, and it happens she does so at the suggestion of a serpent, but those elements are actually not important to the story. She was in no position to resist the suggestion, nor would it have been amazing had she done so, as she had no reason to do one or the other… you must keep in mind here, for her, there is no difference between right and wrong. Blaming her for eating is like blaming a coin for coming up heads instead of tails.

Similarly, Eve gives the fruit to Adam and he eats, but that’s not his fault, he knows no better, and would not be worthy of applause if he had resisted, it would still be a random meaningless act.

No, blaming Adam or Eve for eating the fruit is nonsense.

BUT

You CAN blame Eve for one action. She offers the fruit to Adam, when she knows good from evil.

Now, you can say she was wrong to do that. But here’s an interesting take on that… she knows, from the source, what good and evil are. And her first ethical act is to have Adam join her in that knowledge. And the result of that is that they leave the garden, and begin living actual lives, having children, spawning all humanity, instead of remaining as little random NPCs in the newbie garden of the universe.

What if she was right?

Look, this is a myth, a fable. It’s older than Christianity, older than Judaism. And like any ancient myth, it has things to say. But you need to look closely into it to see if you agree, or even if that’s really what it is saying.

Eve, in my view, is the Prometheus figure, bringing enlightenment to humanity.
 

Ziroseventytwo

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@Zurri mama, long tym sana i didnt see you. Threads zako moja hii hapa. Wafia dini woooote mje hapa kwa umoja wenu, kama mna cha kusema, karibuni sana.
 

let the caged bird sings

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This is not normal or ordinary.
What I see is a young man that Legions of Demons are taking residence in.
Only coconut heads would give a damn about this trash.
Along with it what I'm about to allow my thumb to go up and down touches my phone's screen is:,
Wars, rumors of wars, pestilences, Famines, and all Endtimes Bible Prophecied events ravaging the Earth.

Politically, economically, technologically, climatically, religiously, etc . Everything on earth is Fulfilling Endtimes Prophecies.

The End is at Hand! Take your relationship with GOD very Serious.
One of the days, e go be like dream, the Trumpet will Blast, the saints, Saved and washed in the Blood of JESUS Christ, will be taken away and all Hell will break loose on Earth.
FOLLOW JESUS GENUINELY
 

Mabulungutu

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Ngoja wake wafia hadithi za watu wa kale wa Mashariki ya Kati wakupopoe
Kwa nini Adam kabla ya kula tunda hakwenda kumuuliza Mungu? kwamba mbona Nyoka kamwambia Eva kwamba wakila lile tunda watakuwa kama Mungu? Hapo ndio mara nyingi wanaume tunapofeli kawaamini sana wake zetu...
 

Sang'udi

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Mwanzo 3:16-17
Bwana Mungu akamwagiza huyo mtu, akisema, "Matunda ya kila mti wa bustani waweza kula, walakini matunda ya mti wa ujuzi wa mema na mabaya usile, kwa maana siku utakapokula matunda ya mti huo utakufa hakika."


Kumbe Mungu alishawapa taarifa mapema kuwa hawakupaswa kuyala, na kama wangeyala ni nini matokeo (consequences) yake.

Like everyone else, Adam and Eve were free to choose. Nobody made decisions for them, not even God nor Satan. Hence, they are 100% liable for whatever the outcome.

Neither Eve nor Adam ate the fruit out of coercion. How is that a fallacy?
 

Ibambasi

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Kwa nini Adam kabla ya kula tunda hakwenda kumuuliza Mungu? kwamba mbona Nyoka kamwambia Eva kwamba wakila lile tunda watakuwa kama Mungu? Hapo ndio mara nyingi wanaume tunapofeli kawaamini sana wake zetu...
Hatq hujui unachonijibu. Nakuuliza kwamba wewe unaamini hayo maandiko ya masimulizi ya watu wa kale wa Mashariki ya Kati?
 

mzalendo namba moja

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But interestingly, they got ordered not to eat the forbiden fruit by their master, she ate instead, after being convinced enough by serpent. so, lets not call it the knowledge of good and evil, but we can term it as the "power of deciding" that skipped them from the uni-knowledge (of good )to bi-knowledge (of goog and of evil)
my take, despite for them being blank about evil but atleast they got introduced not to eat the mid tree fruit that by rejecting the order they transgressed and officially started to experience the knowledge of evil, that inturn wasnt the very beggining of humanity but the destruction of it.. nothing fun about that you call humanity, its the chase of the wind. TOILS, CLASSES, DISEASES, RAPES, INJUSTICE, HYPOCRICY, CORRUPTION Etc so what fun Eve did?
 

smaki

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Wewe unamjua yupi
Yeye anamjua wake!! ni sawa unamjua huyo wako!! akiwa na maana wa mungu wapo weeengi!! weye ulipomsema ulimaanisha yupi?? wake?? au huyo wako?? au hao wengine!!

na km unamuongelea wake unamjua sasa ndo mkae muongee mbona swali simple tu!!...... kwanza inawezekana kuna mahali huelewi sasa ni muda kwako kueleweshwa! kuna ubaya kwani?

jua mungu ni wengi sana humu duniani wengine wanakula vihepe sana, palee masangati!
 

code4494

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But interestingly, they got ordered not to eat the forbiden fruit by their master, she ate instead, after being convinced enough by serpent. so, lets not call it the knowledge of good and evil, but we can term it as the "power of deciding" that skipped them from the uni-knowledge (of good )to bi-knowledge (of goog and of evil)
my take, despite for them being blank about evil but atleast they got introduced not to eat the mid tree fruit that by rejecting the order they transgressed and officially started to experience the knowledge of evil, that inturn wasnt the very beggining of humanity but the destruction of it.. nothing fun about that you call humanity, its the chase of the wind. TOILS, CLASSES, DISEASES, RAPES, INJUSTICE, HYPOCRICY, CORRUPTION Etc so what fun Eve did?
Nimepata kitu hapa
 

Stefano Mtangoo

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Mwanzo 3:16-17
Bwana Mungu akamwagiza huyo mtu, akisema, "Matunda ya kila mti wa bustani waweza kula, walakini matunda ya mti wa ujuzi wa mema na mabaya usile, kwa maana siku utakapokula matunda ya mti huo utakufa hakika."


Kumbe Mungu alishawapa taarifa mapema kuwa hawakupaswa kuyala, na kama wangeyala ni nini matokeo (consequences) yake.

Like everyone else, Adam and Eve were free to choose. Nobody made decisions for them, not even God nor Satan. Hence, they are 100% liable for whatever the outcome.

Neither Eve nor Adam ate the fruit out of coercion. How is that a fallacy?
He created a strawman that is dumb Adam and Eve and a malevolent god and then went ahead ro know it down.

He committed Strawman fallacy while trying to make Eden history a fallacy!
 

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