Tanzania refuses to sign environment protocol

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Hili nalo neno.
East African Eagle

 

[Swat]

mambo ya tanzania haitaji mjadala, tumewazoea. wapewe nafasi wakizinduka watarudi kufuata mkondo wa maji, kila siku wanaomba kubebelezwa, nafasi wapewe!!!!!!

Kwa nini msiendelee Tu Na hiyo COW yenu bila kuitajataja Tanzania. Tumeshawaambia hatuitaki mbona bado mnatufuatafuata? Inaonekana mnaitegemea Sana Tanzania. Sasa watanzania wa sasa Ni wajanja,tunajua maslahi yetu. Endeleeni Na Cow yenu Ki vyenu bila kututaja.!

 

[waltham]

Kwa nini msiendelee Tu Na hiyo COW yenu bila kuitajataja Tanzania. Tumeshawaambia hatuitaki mbona bado mnatufuatafuata? Inaonekana mnaitegemea Sana Tanzania. Sasa watanzania wa sasa Ni wajanja,tunajua maslahi yetu. Endeleeni Na Cow yenu Ki vyenu bila kututaja.!

tanzania haijitambui.kinyoka kujigeuza rangi tu. mara ni sadc MARA EAC. kama hautaji eac ondokeni, makao mkuui yaende rwanda, burundi au kwingineko. you export duty free kenya chin ya mpango wa EAC lakini kwako hutaki kufuata kanuni za eac.si mwondoke hutasikia atakayeitaja tz. A big cry baby liability in EAC.

 

[East African Eagle]

tanzania haijitambui.kinyoka kujigeuza rangi tu. mara ni sadc MARA EAC. kama hautaji eac ondokeni, makao mkuui yaende rwanda, burundi au kwingineko. you export duty free kenya chin ya mpango wa EAC lakini kwako hutaki kufuata kanuni za eac.si mwondoke hutasikia atakayeitaja tz. A big cry baby liability in EAC.

Unaonaje basi muache kununua vyakula toka tanzania! Unaonaje uwaambie wakenya,warundi,na wanyarwanda waliofurika na biashara zao Tanzania waondoke sababu Tanzania ni goi goi EAC hebu kajaribu kuongea nao.Pia usisahau kuongea na wahamiaji haramu toka burundi na Rwanda na Kenya kuhusu hilo.Na pia zungumza na wafanyabiashara wa nchi zako kuwa watumie ile ya mombasa tu!

Kwa ufupi mnaihitaji sana tanzania kuliko Tanzania inavyohitaji nchi zenu.Sisi ni nchi huru twaweza jiunga popote na kujitoa popote na nyie kwani mmefungwa kamba msijiunge huko kwingine?

 

[waltham]

East African Eagle

hiyo dhana tz ni gold kwa mataifa mengine ndio upu.uzi na chanzo cha maringo ya tz.EAC ni mutual respect for cooperation on equal basis.kama kuna idea umeona kuadhiri nchi yako unatable counter offer watu wajidili sio whining all the years!!! big boys dont cry umenibana, you push like everybody else and bring your weight on the table sio kuwa GOI GOI tu. kuwa na mentality ya kupanua akili. kama issue ya food, we buy and the tz farmers get marketna watoto wao wanavaa na kwenda shule na kadhalika.its 2 way.kumbuka chakua ipo wazi kununua popote duniani na kenya ununua as far as SA na usa,ni tu nyie ni majirani kwa hivyo kaka weka emotions kando vaa ngozi ya utanda wazi na biashara,

 

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waltham

Hiyo Tanzania unayosema haijitambui juzi Tu mumeiomba iwauzie 200tons of maize cause kwenu Ni njaa kali. Tulikataa ila tumewapa 50tons ziwasaidie Ku survive. Baada ya uchaguzi mlikatana mapanga Sana.Hata Koffi Annan alishindwa kuwapatanisha. Ni busara za Marais wetu Mkapa Na Kikwete Tu ndio mkaacha kuuana. Bado utasema Tanzania Ni goigoi. Chunga kauli yako kwani usalama wa East Afrika yote umeshikiliwa Na Tanzania. Hata USA,CHINA,RUSSIA,UK,FRANCE wanajua Hilo. Usalama wenu wote tumeushika sisi mkuu.

 

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waltham

Ambacho wewe haujui,nchi zote za EAC zikiwa Na fujo au machafuko,USA,RUSSIA,CHINA,UK or FRANCE huiuliza Tanzania nini kifanyike. Tanzania ikitoa action plan Tu,nchi yeyote fujo hutulia.Ref😀rc,Comoro,Kenya,Rwanda,Burundi etc! bado haujajua Tanzania Ni big brother to you all?

 

[waltham]

ambacho wewe haujui,nchi zote za eac zikiwa na fujo au machafuko,usa,russia,china,uk or france huiuliza tanzania nini kifanyike. Tanzania ikitoa action plan tu,nchi yeyote fujo hutulia.ref:drc,comoro,kenya,rwanda,burundi etc! Bado haujajua tanzania ni big brother to you all?

kelele za chura chini ya maji. Hili halihitaji jibu ni utoto na kuchanganyikiwa kiakili

 

[JokaKuu]

mambo ya tanzania haitaji mjadala, tumewazoea. wapewe nafasi wakizinduka watarudi kufuata mkondo wa maji, kila siku wanaomba kubebelezwa, nafasi wapewe!!!!!!

..huo mkataba unatakiwa ufanyiwe marekebisho na baada ya hapo mambo yatakuwa mazuri.

..hii tabia ya ku-attack na kupinga kila pendekezo linalotolewa na Tanzania siyo nzuri hata kidogo.

..mimi napinga barabara inayopita mbugani Serengeti, lakini vilevile nakubaliana na hoja zilizotolewa na Tanzania kupinga eac environment protocal.

..pia tuwe makini na waandishi kama Dr.Wolfgang, na Onyango-Obbo. mimi sikumbuki ni lini wameandika anything positive about Tanzania.

cc jMali, lawmaina78, Koborer

 

[waltham]

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MTZ DEBATE YA REASONING IKIMGEUKIA ANANZA BLAA BLAA NA KUBABANYA GIZANI NA KUTOA KAULI ZA UONGO NA KUTOA POFU BURE. RELAX RUDI KWA MADA.

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Tanzania and Burundi were not part of the deal because they missed meetings that led to the planned regional tariff plan. PHOTO | FILE | NATION MEDIA

• Kenya, Uganda and Rwanda have previously accused Tanzania of being an obstacle to the development of the East African Community, an allegation President Jakaya Kikwete countered by saying the three countries are fond of making decisions at the EAC without consulting other members.

Mobile phone users will wait longer for lower calling rates within East Africa after the late inclusion of Tanzania and Burundi into talks, which has delayed the introduction of the cheaper tariffs by nine months to June.

Kenya, Uganda and Rwanda had agreed to cap the maximum roaming charges in the three states at about Sh8.80 ($0.10) per minute beginning this month, which had the potential to significantly reduce the cost of doing business in the region. South Sudan was set to sign the agreement later in the year.

Calling Uganda or Rwanda from Kenya currently costs between Sh17 and Sh25, with the high tariffs being caused partly by taxes. Tanzania and Burundi were not part of the earlier deal because they had missed a number of talks that led to the pact.

Kenya, Uganda and Rwanda have previously accused Tanzania of being an obstacle to the development of the East African Community

 

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waltham

Toa overview zako. Usi copy Na Ku paste maandishi ya watu Tu. Hao wanaoandika Ni sawa Na wewe tu mkuu,Na wanatumika kwa interest vilevile! By the way,why comment in Capital letters. Are you overwhelmed!?

 

[waltham]

toa overview zako. Usi copy na ku paste maandishi ya watu tu. Hao wanaoandika ni sawa na wewe tu mkuu,na wanatumika kwa interest vilevile! By the way,why comment in capital letters. Are you overwhelmed!?

unaoneka debate kwako ni mwisho wa mawazo sasa. Unaendelea na pata potea gizani!!!!

 

[Masanja]

Ukisoma hii thread utagundua kwa nini we have a long way to go to achieve a fully and democratic EAC. Hivi kweli do you really expect Tanzania ikubali Protocol ambayo hailindi maslahi yake? Last time I checked US refused to sign Kyoto Protocal based on similar reasons. US, Russia et al refused to sign the Rome Statute establishing the ICC for same reasons. Please people grow up. Countries Need and Must take care of their interests FIRST. Not otherwise.

If Kenya or Rwanda or Uganda..is doing so and so..its because they believe what they do serves well their interests. Not otherwise. So why do you want Tanzania to sacrifice its interests for the sake of pleasing other peoples?

By the way most people writing are hypocrites. Last time I checked Kenya was a member of IGAD, COMESA and EAC. Same as Uganda..why is it that its never mentioned anywhere? Yes, Tanzania is a member of SADC and EAC. So what is the problem? Is it the first country in EAC block to belong to more than one regional organization? Ofcourse not. But these people..so called writers..are hellbent to misinform the public! na kuonyesha kwamba Tanzania haiko committed to EAC.

Yes, there are things I do not agree with my government. But again, thats what we call democracy. As for Rwanda, Kenya or Uganda. Guys do your things. Have you heard Tanzania criticing Kagame for locking up/killing of his opponents? Have you heard Tanzania criticizing what Kenya is doing on various front? Though most of these things go against the EAC Treaty? In fact Museven wants to run for another term (is now locking up and killing those with different views or likley to oppose him), Kagame is considering the same route..mmesikia Tanzania wakilalamika? It is becaus we know and believe that..what happens in Rwanda is for Rwandans, same in Kenya or Uganda.

In short, while some of us are supporters of integration, it is this kind of utter hypocricy from some of our colleagues in these countries which make us believe that..wenzetu mna lenu jambo na wala si kupenda shirikisho la kindugu!

 

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Masanja

Well commented! Umeongea vizuri mkuu. Napenda Sana ushirikiano wa EAC. Lakini sipendi u nafiki. Some of EAC Countries likes to protect their interests while thinking that Tanzania is a country to exploit and siphon each and everything! That was past,not now guys. Mbona US imekataa mjataba wa Kyoto wa mazingira na hakuna anae isema!?.Tanzania inajitambua Na si shamba la bibi tena.

 

[eliakeem]

This article was authored by one Dr. Wolfgang. It was not written by COW so you need to direct your energies to the author. As for the standard gauge railway, that is a different matter which we could debate in another thread. Avoid going off topic.

The German (I guess) Dr. Wolfgang is a pro CoW. but we don't know who is paying the dude. The Cry Wolf is always thinking that can tell the Tanzanians do's and don'ts.

 

[JokaKuu]

waltham,

..you have to read the entire article[not just the heading] to understand what caused the delay in lowering the calling rates in the EAC.

..hili suala la kushuka calling rates mlikosea kuliweka kwenye CoW.

..suala hili ilitakiwa lishughulikiwe na EAC from the beginning.

..sababu hiyo ndiyo imesababisha ucheleweshwaji, siyo kwasababu Tanzania au Burundi walikataa.

NB:

..U know, probably you had some good intentions when you decided to start the Coalition of the Willing[CoW]. But I think the problem is how you went about it, which resulted into the process being marred by too much anti-Tanzania rhetoric.

 

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Hilo la Cow limewaganda. Watakua wanaota Tanzania kila siku.

 

[waltham]

JokaKuu

you seem like a guy who is good in debate and listening. I agree with you and a few of comments here. kumbuka ni right ya tz to go at whatever pace they desire. shinda ipo hapa, the big tanzania will remain a small baller forever ikiendelea na hii attitude na wengi watz hapa JF wana huu ugonjwa wa thinking small and that things have to be done for them. tz kwa kila hoja ya COW waje na counter proposal sio complaining tume wekwa kando, we were not consulted na bla bla nyingi. tz is the HQ ya EAC. tz haukihudhuria vikao licha ya kualikwa hadi juzi wakaja ndio processs ikaongezewa muda for tz and burundi!!!! tz ina mguu mmoja SADC na moja EAC. ukiniuliza shinda ipo hapo. those two regional entities have different agendas.

 

[JokaKuu]

waltham

..vile vikao vya kwanza vya CoW Tanzania haikualikwa.

..during vikao hivyo, na baadaye, kulikuwa na some very negative rhetoric towards Tanzania. yaani it was as if Tanzania imefukuzwa toka ktk EAC.

..lets agree kwamba hii issue ya Cow ilikuwa mishandled. I am saying that kwasababu Tanzania tuna miradi na Uganda, Rwanda, na Burundi, lakini haina that "negative" element that CoW choose to identity with.

..kuhusu SADC, we have said time and again kwamba Tanzania ni moja kati ya waanzilishi wa organization hiyo. Majirani na ndugu zetu wa DRC, Zambia,Malawi, na Mozambique, ni wanachama wa SADC.

..Hivi mbona Tanzania hailalamiki when Kenya cuts trade deals with Ethiopia, or South Sudan? If Kenya is a member of IGAD, why can't Tanzania be a member of SADC?

..IMHO, I think it is SADC members who should complain about Tanzania being the member of EAC. First, because EAC imekuwa-established after SADC. Second, Tanzania is doing more business with EAC[read Kenya] than any of her neighbors. Please explain to me kwanini unafikiri SADC is an obstacle kwa mahusiano kati ya Tanzania na Kenya/EAC.

..Tatizo la Tanzania na EAC liko ktk masuala ya ardhi na political federation. Hata nyinyi Kenya mkiambiwa mfungue ardhi yenu na kuwa na political federation na Somalia hamtakubali.

cc jMali, lawmaina78

 

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SADC tuna share economic relation and blood relation. EAC tuna share economic relation and minimal blood relations. Wapi unadhani tutavutika napo!?. Tulipokua tukivuka mto Limpopo,Ruvuma Na Zambezi kupigania uhuru wa ndugu zetu wa Southern Africa,mlikua bussy mkishirikiana Na makaburu Na waingereza kuinua uchumi wenu. Those days,only south our guns were pointing. Unajua kwa nini sanamu ya askari pale 'askari monument' Dar ime point bunduki take 'South'?. That's not a coincedence!. Chunguza mtabaini. Kwa sawa tuacheni tuamue wenyewe rafiki mzuri Ni nani Na mbaya Ni nani!