Tanzania has most trade barriers in EAC- report!!!

[livefire]

Ashante!, The crux of the argument on Asian Tigres especially China is an uplifting story. Waafrika tunafaa tuangalie hii pattern. We normally have very potentially destructive leaders who struggle to bond with he so called western powers.

i agree with you on that. Cant wait for Kenya to do away with the 6% donor funding.

 

[Kabaridi]

i agree with you on that. Cant wait for Kenya to do away with the 6% donor funding.

We can do away with it, its only that that may be bait to keep the donors entertained. Remember during Moi era, where we stayed for a decade with 0% from donors, No kenyan was ill or lost their well-being.

 

[BUBE]

Mzalendo!
Have you ever seen one of the researches - conducted sometimes in early 2000s. It was said that for each 1US$ received by developing countries, 75% of it was taken back through various ways. I cannot remember the exact date and title of the research. You can also read Moyo's ideas of dead aid (Moyo nadhani ni mzaliwa wa Zim). Sasa hayo ya donor dependence tuyaache, my question is what do we get out of that? It is always inefficiency, embuzzlement and lack of proper accounting. Despite moving away from Project-support to General Budget Support we have not attained any significant achievements. Lately I am told most of the dps in Tanzania are moving away from GBS back to sector and private sector funding. Why? Some serious donors have various reasons, lakini mojawapo ni poor performance ya serikali (japo kwa nje haya hayasemwi) na inability to track the impact of their funding. Bila shaka kunaweza kuwepo sababu nyingine kuhusu hili, ikiwa na flagship ya donors wao wanataka nchi zao zijulikane zimetupatia msaada hata kama ni kidogo!
Naomba nieleze kitu kingine. If you happen to read some research pieces by Dr Brian Cooksey, he talks about rent seeking investors in Tanzania. These kind of rent seekers might not be out to promote the industries, might not be out to strengthen the private sector and wajasiriamali wadogo. They get their share and off they go. They are ready to bribe whoever ilmradi wapate chao na kuishia. This mean if we are not careful, ile hela inayoweza kuletwa na wafadhili kwa nia njema inaishia mikononi mwa wajanja

On a different note, though talking about budget deficity and dependence, I think and am looking forward when there will be no donor money. You might ask whether I am crazy. No I am not. You see donor money means '(take this from experience) we stop thinking and let donors think for us, work for us and dictate terms! It also means provide fursa for foreign companies and kill your domestic infant factories (pamoja na SMEs)simply because you are told tunataka International stds. In this case- imefikia pahali ambapo unamwuliza mtendaji kazi serikalini kuhusu jambo fulani unajibiwa -'subiri tupate majibu kwa consultant....mshauri mwelekezi'. Gosh! Kwa hiyo leo hii mwendo ni consultant kwa kuwa sisi kupitia kwa donors tuliambiwa 'we do not have enough capacity' na kwao hii inamaana import labor pay them highly! Ndugu hii inauma

But back to the point and topic.....Je mambo haya yanamhitaji mtu wa nje kutueleza vyanzo vipi vya mapato, kampuni gani inauwezo gani na uwezo hata wa kusimamia miradi tumeshindwa? I am afraid to say hata leaders kwa sasa nao ni 'rent seekers' ndo maana they do not give a damn to bribe voters coz they know it is a business and will pay-off

We can do away with it, its only that that may be bait to keep the donors entertained. Remember during Moi era, where we stayed for a decade with 0% from donors, No kenyan was ill or lost their well-being.

 

[BUBE]

Mkuu hela zikipungua kila mmoja anashika adabu yake! Hata wale wanaotibiwa marekani kwa kodi wataogopa wenye kodi wamevimba macho! Watataka ufafanuzi, uhalalisho na uthibitisho wa matumizi ya fedha hizo. They will not dare to spend it anyhow but wisely!

We can do away with it, its only that that may be bait to keep the donors entertained. Remember during Moi era, where we stayed for a decade with 0% from donors, No kenyan was ill or lost their well-being.

 

[livefire]

Mzalendo!
Have you ever seen one of the researches - conducted sometimes in early 2000s. It was said that for each 1US$ received by developing countries, 75% of it was taken back through various ways. I cannot remember the exact date and title of the research. You can also read Moyo's ideas of dead aid (Moyo nadhani ni mzaliwa wa Zim). Sasa hayo ya donor dependence tuyaache, my question is what do we get out of that? It is always inefficiency, embuzzlement and lack of proper accounting. Despite moving away from Project-support to General Budget Support we have not attained any significant achievements. Lately I am told most of the dps in Tanzania are moving away from GBS back to sector and private sector funding. Why? Some serious donors have various reasons, lakini mojawapo ni poor performance ya serikali (japo kwa nje haya hayasemwi) na inability to track the impact of their funding. Bila shaka kunaweza kuwepo sababu nyingine kuhusu hili, ikiwa na flagship ya donors wao wanataka nchi zao zijulikane zimetupatia msaada hata kama ni kidogo!
Naomba nieleze kitu kingine. If you happen to read some research pieces by Dr Brian Cooksey, he talks about rent seeking investors in Tanzania. These kind of rent seekers might not be out to promote the industries, might not be out to strengthen the private sector and wajasiriamali wadogo. They get their share and off they go. They are ready to bribe whoever ilmradi wapate chao na kuishia. This mean if we are not careful, ile hela inayoweza kuletwa na wafadhili kwa nia njema inaishia mikononi mwa wajanja

On a different note, though talking about budget deficity and dependence, I think and am looking forward when there will be no donor money. You might ask whether I am crazy. No I am not. You see donor money means '(take this from experience) we stop thinking and let donors think for us, work for us and dictate terms! It also means provide fursa for foreign companies and kill your domestic infant factories (pamoja na SMEs)simply because you are told tunataka International stds. In this case- imefikia pahali ambapo unamwuliza mtendaji kazi serikalini kuhusu jambo fulani unajibiwa -'subiri tupate majibu kwa consultant....mshauri mwelekezi'. Gosh! Kwa hiyo leo hii mwendo ni consultant kwa kuwa sisi kupitia kwa donors tuliambiwa 'we do not have enough capacity' na kwao hii inamaana import labor pay them highly! Ndugu hii inauma

But back to the point and topic.....Je mambo haya yanamhitaji mtu wa nje kutueleza vyanzo vipi vya mapato, kampuni gani inauwezo gani na uwezo hata wa kusimamia miradi tumeshindwa? I am afraid to say hata leaders kwa sasa nao ni 'rent seekers' ndo maana they do not give a damn to bribe voters coz they know it is a business and will pay-off

nice notes and very rich in content.

 

[chi-boy]

EAC has no benefitz for majority TANZANIANS... This is a waste of time for our country, we dont need it...

 

[BUBE]

Mkuu LIVEFIRE asante kwa kunigongea LIKE

nice notes and very rich in content.

 

[Kabaridi]

Mzalendo!
Have you ever seen one of the researches - conducted sometimes in early 2000s. It was said that for each 1US$ received by developing countries, 75% of it was taken back through various ways. I cannot remember the exact date and title of the research. You can also read Moyo's ideas of dead aid (Moyo nadhani ni mzaliwa wa Zim). Sasa hayo ya donor dependence tuyaache, my question is what do we get out of that? It is always inefficiency, embuzzlement and lack of proper accounting. Despite moving away from Project-support to General Budget Support we have not attained any significant achievements. Lately I am told most of the dps in Tanzania are moving away from GBS back to sector and private sector funding. Why? Some serious donors have various reasons, lakini mojawapo ni poor performance ya serikali (japo kwa nje haya hayasemwi) na inability to track the impact of their funding. Bila shaka kunaweza kuwepo sababu nyingine kuhusu hili, ikiwa na flagship ya donors wao wanataka nchi zao zijulikane zimetupatia msaada hata kama ni kidogo!
Naomba nieleze kitu kingine. If you happen to read some research pieces by Dr Brian Cooksey, he talks about rent seeking investors in Tanzania. These kind of rent seekers might not be out to promote the industries, might not be out to strengthen the private sector and wajasiriamali wadogo. They get their share and off they go. They are ready to bribe whoever ilmradi wapate chao na kuishia. This mean if we are not careful, ile hela inayoweza kuletwa na wafadhili kwa nia njema inaishia mikononi mwa wajanja

On a different note, though talking about budget deficity and dependence, I think and am looking forward when there will be no donor money. You might ask whether I am crazy. No I am not. You see donor money means '(take this from experience) we stop thinking and let donors think for us, work for us and dictate terms! It also means provide fursa for foreign companies and kill your domestic infant factories (pamoja na SMEs)simply because you are told tunataka International stds. In this case- imefikia pahali ambapo unamwuliza mtendaji kazi serikalini kuhusu jambo fulani unajibiwa -'subiri tupate majibu kwa consultant....mshauri mwelekezi'. Gosh! Kwa hiyo leo hii mwendo ni consultant kwa kuwa sisi kupitia kwa donors tuliambiwa 'we do not have enough capacity' na kwao hii inamaana import labor pay them highly! Ndugu hii inauma

But back to the point and topic.....Je mambo haya yanamhitaji mtu wa nje kutueleza vyanzo vipi vya mapato, kampuni gani inauwezo gani na uwezo hata wa kusimamia miradi tumeshindwa? I am afraid to say hata leaders kwa sasa nao ni 'rent seekers' ndo maana they do not give a damn to bribe voters coz they know it is a business and will pay-off

@BUBE,

This so called schemers or rent seekers are everywhere, but I bet they are just a small percentage. Remember if you have a weak corporate/private sector, that in itself will decelerate how government officially runs its business. Thats where you come to learn of ghost companies similar to what happens in Nigeria. The other problem is corruption that has deeply infested the private sector. Kiboko ya huu muozo ni perfomance contracting ambayo inaendelea france, india, pakistan,kenya na imeweza kuwa effective mno. for PC, you would normally set standards for applicants on the basis of outcome/results rather than the process/objectives, and in addition, how many successful contracts they have managed to accomplish.

Ili nikujibu swali uliyouliza hapo chini. La, sio lazima na hatuitaji watu wa nje kuleta vyanzo vya vipato, ingawa inawezekana kuweka asilimia ndogo ili wageni waweze kuleta competition. Moyo alileta wazo zuri kuhusu workforce ya tanzania kuwa iko below ya kiwango cha semi-professional and very unreliable. Kawaida hii ni changamoto inayoletwa na system of education regardless of which level tunawewza zungumzia.

Another thing, wakati serikali ya kenya tuseme inasistiza kuwa kila mwanachi apate kitambulisho by 2013 na huku the walio maskini ndio wengi na vipande, hua inaharibu ile balance ya kujaribu kutumia hesabu. Rent Seeking is a very discriminative system of manupilation, kwasababu wale wanayoitenda huwa wanalindwa kama mayai tuseme na utawala ulioko. The best thing is for EA to ape China and their model of economic growth. China and the west have ruffled feathers na mpaka sasa they are doing it with the so called monetary policies zao and that has been partly a factor that has economically catapulted them to where they are currently.

BTW, I thought moyo is Kenyan?

 

[BUBE]

Mzalendo.
Moyo sio Mkenya kwa taarifa nilizonazo! Actually Dambisa Moyo alizaliwa na kukulia Zambia. Sio Mkenya...sina hakika kama wakenya wanaweza kusema hivyo...japo kuna utani kuwa jirani zetu hao hupenda kudhanikuwa kila kitu kizuri kinatoka Kenya...so proud of their country...which is gud!
Otherwise, uko sahihi kuhusu PC. Hapa Tanzania ipo pia njia ya ku-assess wafanyakazi kwenye ofisi za umma (civil servants) but the problem is enforcement so that people are promoted/demoted based on merits not on feeelings za mtu mmoja mmoja. There are also issues to do with stereotyping! Hili ni tatizo. Watu wengi na hata wale wanajiita researchers, wakati mwingine waki-sample vibaya study unit yao huangukia kwenye research results ambazo zina-stereotype kuhusu kabila na taifa. I do not agree with Moyo's findings not because I am a Tanzanian but because I know that has been major issue among watu wa nje kuhusu Tanzania. what does that mean to our economy? Ina maana mining companies, tourists companies and hoteliers wanaleta wapishi wakuu, wasaidizi, walinzi na hata madrivers kutoka nchini kwao. Tatizo sio reliability shida ni kwamba hata pale wanapofanya makosa process ya litigation hadi mtu apate haki yake ni miaka. Mfano kuna kesi za ardhi zinakwama kwa miaka hadi 25! Nani atakuwa anahangaika mahakamani muda wote huo unaanza kesi ukiwa kijana unamaliza mzee hata ukishinda you will not have energy to work on the land
Hapa ndo kinacholeta shida! Hii tuiache kwanza

While we commend China for the achievement, tunasahau kuwa mambo makubwa manne ndo yamechangia China kunyanyuka (pamoja na kwamba ndani ya China umasikini unazidi) na kujitangaza nje. Mambo hayo ni pamoja na kujua what they want (get their priorities right), kuwekeza walipo masikini zaidi, kuboresha miundo mbinu na kisha kuwa na focus. Not changing policies and strategies after every 3years! Huu ni uhuni. Sasa kwa kuwa kila mmoja anaimba wimbo ule ule (politicians, technocrats and moderate people) ina maana hata law enforcers find it easy to execute/implement! Mimi nadhani Kenya haiwezi kuwa mfano mzuri....it might be too early to do that! Kwa kipindi ambacho nimewahi kufanya kazi Kenya (mwaka mmoja) na hata leo hufika Kenya kila baada ya miezi 2, nina mashaka kuwa hata wao wanaweza kujidai nje ya karatasi. Mifano miwili ambayo nadhani wamefanikiwa na mmoja sijaona kama watafanikiwa. Unapoongelea muida wa kufungua bar na kufunga na mtu kuonekana amelewa nyakati za kazi (nguvukazi) hii kwa sehemu wamefanikiwa,but should this be the respinsibilit of each one of us/Kenyans. Kutoa taarifa kuhus bar zilizowazi wakati wa kazi? Hapa nadhani ipo safari. Pili ni kuhusu upandaji wa matatu! Kwa mstari mtu wangu -first in first serve. It works but si kwa matatu zinazokatisha njia! But you see, nimejariwa kwenda nchi za wengine ambazo kila raia anaona ni wajibu na LAZIMA alipe kodi---they are proud about that, na pia ukikutwa unampiga/mnyanyasa mkeo simu inapigwa polisi na jirani na polisi wanakuja muda ule ule kutoa msaada! what about us?

Sasa hilo linanileta kwenye mfano mwingine ambao sioni kama Kenya inafanikiwa. Unajua baada ya uchaguzi na mauaji yaliyofuata ya watu zaidi ya 1400, nilidhani wakenya wengi wangechukia kitendo kile kwa kuwa kinaleta picha mbaya kinakiuka haki za binadamu. Recently nikasikia mjadala kwenye bbc nilikuwa shocked kusikia vijana wengi Kenya na hata wanasiasa wakubwa wanachukulia suala la ICC na wale washtakiwa kuwa ni la kisiasa zaidi kuliko vile limebebwa.
Mimi nadhani viongozi ndo wametuangusha na sisi kwa kutokuwa macho na wasimamizi wa rasilimali zetu tumechangia uozo huu. Do not understimate the effect of rent seekers pale wanapojidai wanawekeza kwenye madini, but take everything, wanapodai wamenunua parastatals ambazo zimekuwa privatised and end up vitually killing them! Kwa Tanzania nijuavyo hao rent seekers pamoja na viongozi wabofu wamechangia kuleta umasikini kuliko unavyoweza kufikiria. Swali hapa ni je, the so called donors are they not aware about this? Pengine wanajua but what are they doing about it? May be they are letting everything inthe hands of wananchi...very unfortunately that the wananchi are not well informed. Hata wale wawakilishi wao (wabunge) nao hawana taarifa za kina!

@BUBE,

This so called schemers or rent seekers are everywhere, but I bet they are just a small percentage. Remember if you have a weak corporate/private sector, that in itself will decelerate how government officially runs its business. Thats where you come to learn of ghost companies similar to what happens in Nigeria. The other problem is corruption that has deeply infested the private sector. Kiboko ya huu muozo ni perfomance contracting ambayo inaendelea france, india, pakistan,kenya na imeweza kuwa effective mno. for PC, you would normally set standards for applicants on the basis of outcome/results rather than the process/objectives, and in addition, how many successful contracts they have managed to accomplish.

Ili nikujibu swali uliyouliza hapo chini. La, sio lazima na hatuitaji watu wa nje kuleta vyanzo vya vipato, ingawa inawezekana kuweka asilimia ndogo ili wageni waweze kuleta competition. Moyo alileta wazo zuri kuhusu workforce ya tanzania kuwa iko below ya kiwango cha semi-professional and very unreliable. Kawaida hii ni changamoto inayoletwa na system of education regardless of which level tunawewza zungumzia.

Another thing, wakati serikali ya kenya tuseme inasistiza kuwa kila mwanachi apate kitambulisho by 2013 na huku the walio maskini ndio wengi na vipande, hua inaharibu ile balance ya kujaribu kutumia hesabu. Rent Seeking is a very discriminative system of manupilation, kwasababu wale wanayoitenda huwa wanalindwa kama mayai tuseme na utawala ulioko. The best thing is for EA to ape China and their model of economic growth. China and the west have ruffled feathers na mpaka sasa they are doing it with the so called monetary policies zao and that has been partly a factor that has economically catapulted them to where they are currently.

BTW, I thought moyo is Kenyan?

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

aloo Buberwa,...Kuna Dambisa Moyo na Moyo...

....Moyo ni mkenya aisee...endelea na mjadala!

 

[BUBE]

Ab-Titchaz, kwa kuwa umejibia kwenye mchango wangu ninapenda nikueleze mimi (simjibii Buberwa -nadhani huyu ni mwingine sio mimi), but yes Moyo ni Mkenya (sina hakika wakenya wangapi wanaitwa Moyo. Ila uki-trace zaidi utagundua kuwa kina Moyo wengi wanatokea Zambia na hasa Zimbabwe). Hayo tuyaache, mimi nilimaanisha huyo mwingine niliyeandika majina yake mawili na sio mkenya!

aloo Buberwa,...Kuna Dambisa Moyo na Moyo...

....Moyo ni mkenya aisee...endelea na mjadala!

 

[Kabaridi]

BUBE,



Naona umechukua muda kutoa mchango wako ambao unanifanya kuona una upeo katika maswala ya integrity. Kwanza! Tatizo la ardhi hata sisi tunalo hapa nchini. Utakuta mtu ana tuma mawakili wake kortini na unayezozana naye humuoni na hutawahi muona kamwe. Taking pride in ones country ni sawa tu na uzalendo na hakuna kibaya nacho lakini kuna ule ambao unatetea ujinga unaotekelezwa nchini. Kama kwa mfano kuna hoteliers, security guards, and mining workers wanaoletwa kutoka nje kufanya kazi tanzania si vyema. Je! Workers union na local pressure groups/ rights activists wa tanzania hawaingilii kati kutetea workforce iliyo na vyeti vya masomo?

Kumbuka ninaposema tucommend china, mimi sio perfectionist. Umaskini ni kitu cha kawaida na sidhani ni kitu cha kuondolewa kwa muongo mmoja. China na wale Asian tigers bado hawako kwa hali ya kuripoti kwamba wameumaliza umaskini. Vile vile kuhusu ICC, kile kinaleta mgawanyiko ni mfumo wa siasa ambao ni kind of a hangover from the former regime ndio walikuwa wanaeneza ukabila na siasa za uridhi na proteges/projects. Wakati huu tunataka siasa kama hii ikomeshwe kupitia civic education na kusisitiza kuundwa kwa leadership and intergrity bill katika katiba. Ndio unaona wakati huu ambao katiba inatekelezwa, wanasiasa wanakaa ni kama wamepigwa na mhstuko wa moyo.

Tuna njia ndefu ya kuenda, kwanza kuhusu matatu na ulevi wa mchana. Lakini BUBE ni jamii gani utaenda ukose mambo haya? Inawezekana kuyapunguza lakini sidhani uovu wote unaweza koma, . Mauaji haya ya watu wa IDP .nk ni jambo limeletwa na tensions na historical injustices. Mimi nina tatizo tu moja na ICC, hawana jurisdiction ya kuwanasa na kuwafungulia mashtaka wahalifu wa kimbari. Nikupe mifano kama uhalifu wa bosnia ambako waislamu wengi waliuwawa, Rais Al bashir wa Sudan kaskazini na vitendo anafanya na makundi yake ya kigaidi mpaka sasa, Bashar al asad wa kule Syria tutaje tu wachache na hatujaribu kutetea mauaji. Kuna mengi ICC hawajagusia na hawajazungumzia sana sana ukizingatia mifano nimekupatia. Mimi naamini tangu uhuru wa nchi ni wengi waafrika waliouliwa na wabeberu, na wengine kutimuliwa kutoka makwao. Na wale wamejaribu kutaka haki zao kutoka kwa serikali za uingereza zitimizwe bado hawajapata.

Tuangalie scenario kama ya jews and the holocaust, Serikali ya ujerumani kufikia sasa miongo tatu iliyopita imekuwa ikigharamia fidia za holocaust. Alipofariki karl Eichmann ni mwaka gani? Lakini ukifananisha na African colonial injustices ni hadithi tofauti. Nimalizie na kusema, a rent seeker, or a donor both have common interests. Do not expect them to bring anything new other than kuleta capital flights. Kwa muda mrefu imekuwa ni kama andiko kuwa Afrika ina matatizo mengi na haiwezi jikwamua kutoka kwa shida kama magonjwa njaa, na baadhi ya mengine kama hayo. Ninajua kuna wakati joto za siasa zitapungua Kenya, lakini kwa sasa wacha tuombee taifa hili letu. Najua Tz mwatuchukua in good light isipokuwa wakereketwa wachache ambao ni asilimia ndogo ukifananisha na wale watanzania ambao ni forward thinking, positive, and optimistic about themselves and their future.

Mzalendo.
Moyo sio Mkenya kwa taarifa nilizonazo! Actually Dambisa Moyo alizaliwa na kukulia Zambia. Sio Mkenya...sina hakika kama wakenya wanaweza kusema hivyo...japo kuna utani kuwa jirani zetu hao hupenda kudhanikuwa kila kitu kizuri kinatoka Kenya...so proud of their country...which is gud!
Otherwise, uko sahihi kuhusu PC. Hapa Tanzania ipo pia njia ya ku-assess wafanyakazi kwenye ofisi za umma (civil servants) but the problem is enforcement so that people are promoted/demoted based on merits not on feeelings za mtu mmoja mmoja. There are also issues to do with stereotyping! Hili ni tatizo. Watu wengi na hata wale wanajiita researchers, wakati mwingine waki-sample vibaya study unit yao huangukia kwenye research results ambazo zina-stereotype kuhusu kabila na taifa. I do not agree with Moyo's findings not because I am a Tanzanian but because I know that has been major issue among watu wa nje kuhusu Tanzania. what does that mean to our economy? Ina maana mining companies, tourists companies and hoteliers wanaleta wapishi wakuu, wasaidizi, walinzi na hata madrivers kutoka nchini kwao. Tatizo sio reliability shida ni kwamba hata pale wanapofanya makosa process ya litigation hadi mtu apate haki yake ni miaka. Mfano kuna kesi za ardhi zinakwama kwa miaka hadi 25! Nani atakuwa anahangaika mahakamani muda wote huo unaanza kesi ukiwa kijana unamaliza mzee hata ukishinda you will not have energy to work on the land
Hapa ndo kinacholeta shida! Hii tuiache kwanza

While we commend China for the achievement, tunasahau kuwa mambo makubwa manne ndo yamechangia China kunyanyuka (pamoja na kwamba ndani ya China umasikini unazidi) na kujitangaza nje. Mambo hayo ni pamoja na kujua what they want (get their priorities right), kuwekeza walipo masikini zaidi, kuboresha miundo mbinu na kisha kuwa na focus. Not changing policies and strategies after every 3years! Huu ni uhuni. Sasa kwa kuwa kila mmoja anaimba wimbo ule ule (politicians, technocrats and moderate people) ina maana hata law enforcers find it easy to execute/implement! Mimi nadhani Kenya haiwezi kuwa mfano mzuri....it might be too early to do that! Kwa kipindi ambacho nimewahi kufanya kazi Kenya (mwaka mmoja) na hata leo hufika Kenya kila baada ya miezi 2, nina mashaka kuwa hata wao wanaweza kujidai nje ya karatasi. Mifano miwili ambayo nadhani wamefanikiwa na mmoja sijaona kama watafanikiwa. Unapoongelea muida wa kufungua bar na kufunga na mtu kuonekana amelewa nyakati za kazi (nguvukazi) hii kwa sehemu wamefanikiwa,but should this be the respinsibilit of each one of us/Kenyans. Kutoa taarifa kuhus bar zilizowazi wakati wa kazi? Hapa nadhani ipo safari. Pili ni kuhusu upandaji wa matatu! Kwa mstari mtu wangu -first in first serve. It works but si kwa matatu zinazokatisha njia! But you see, nimejariwa kwenda nchi za wengine ambazo kila raia anaona ni wajibu na LAZIMA alipe kodi---they are proud about that, na pia ukikutwa unampiga/mnyanyasa mkeo simu inapigwa polisi na jirani na polisi wanakuja muda ule ule kutoa msaada! what about us?

Sasa hilo linanileta kwenye mfano mwingine ambao sioni kama Kenya inafanikiwa. Unajua baada ya uchaguzi na mauaji yaliyofuata ya watu zaidi ya 1400, nilidhani wakenya wengi wangechukia kitendo kile kwa kuwa kinaleta picha mbaya kinakiuka haki za binadamu. Recently nikasikia mjadala kwenye bbc nilikuwa shocked kusikia vijana wengi Kenya na hata wanasiasa wakubwa wanachukulia suala la ICC na wale washtakiwa kuwa ni la kisiasa zaidi kuliko vile limebebwa.
Mimi nadhani viongozi ndo wametuangusha na sisi kwa kutokuwa macho na wasimamizi wa rasilimali zetu tumechangia uozo huu. Do not understimate the effect of rent seekers pale wanapojidai wanawekeza kwenye madini, but take everything, wanapodai wamenunua parastatals ambazo zimekuwa privatised and end up vitually killing them! Kwa Tanzania nijuavyo hao rent seekers pamoja na viongozi wabofu wamechangia kuleta umasikini kuliko unavyoweza kufikiria. Swali hapa ni je, the so called donors are they not aware about this? Pengine wanajua but what are they doing about it? May be they are letting everything inthe hands of wananchi...very unfortunately that the wananchi are not well informed. Hata wale wawakilishi wao (wabunge) nao hawana taarifa za kina!

 

[BUBE]

Mzalendo Upo sahihi kabisa. Ila singependa kusema nina upeo katika masuala ya integrity ila as a moderate Tanzanian nadhani ninaweza kukaa na kujadili.

NImesema upo sahihi kwa kuwa kila jamii inakuwa na mapungufu yake! Na ni vema kukubari udhaifu ili kusahihishwa/kurekebisha. Hata hivyo ningependa kuongelea kidogo kuhusu vyama vya wafanyakazi. When you have corrupt system and rent seekers being treated more than wananchi, then you know hata wakati mwingine haki ya mwananchi inaweza kukanyagwa to protect the so called investors. Uzalendo kitu muhimu, pengine ndo maana kwa sehemu kubwa nawapenda wakenya. Niliwahi kukaa sehemu ambapo kila nikitaka kupanda ndege ilikuwa lazima kupanda KQ! I felt so bad, kwa kuwa wakati mwingine haikuhitaji kutumia airline hiyo. But with time nikaja kugundua how patriotic some Kenyans are....kama ndiye anayekufanyia booking atahakikisha unachangia uchumi wa nchi yake.Kwa mtazamo wangu hii si dhambi, inakubarika! Kwa bahati mbaya uzalendo wa watz wengi uko kwenye edge of collapsing. Siwalau sana japo inaniuma. Siwalaumu kwa kuwa the rights observers and defenders hawajaweza kuendeleza mijadala inayosimamia uzalendo zaidi. Baadhi ya wale wanaoonekana wazalendo tunawabeza...tunawambia kuwa 'nyie hamjapata nafasi ya kufisidi ndo maana mnapiga kelele". This is not right

Sasa nieleze kidogo kuhusu ICC na mengine nchi nyingine. Ukweli ni kwamba kuwa kosa moja haliwezi kuhalalisha koso jingine. NIna maana gani hapa? Kwamba Egypt, Sudan, na kwingineko kuna matatizo ya kiutawala na mauaji, hakuwezi kuhalalisha makosa yaliyofanyika Kenya baada ya uchaguzi na hakuwezi kuwafidia (walao kuonesha haki inatendeka kwa IDPs). Niseme kiukweli hili tatizo wanalo wanasiasa wengi.

Nakubaliana nawe kuhusu China na maeneo mengine. Nimewahi kukaa eneo moja ambapo wananchi walikuwa wanalalamika kwa kuwa ajira kwa vijana wao zilikuwa zimepungua simply because companies were either closing or scalling down their operations and moving to invest in China. What are we seeing today? Ukienda soka la Ulaya hasa nguo na electronics, limejaa bidhaaa toka China.....who are the producers? Euroopean companies registered in China! Kampuni kama Nokia (originally from Finland) ni mojawapo ya mifano hii.

Kwa bahati mbaya tunapoongelea kuweka vikwazo vya kiuchumi/kibiashara, there is no single country that ever developed without protecting her people! Take it from me, the Americans, Germans and Britons might not be where they are today if at the start they were not keen in protecting national interest! Hawa walifanya with high level of integrity! Uzalendo kwanza na uadilifu pia! They never invited rent seeking companies! Ukijulikana unakuwa-named and ashamed!
Kwa hiyo ndo maana mimi sina tatizo na Tz pale ambapo fikwazo vimewekwa katika kupromote national interest. Jiulize kwanini tunahitaji visa kwenda ulaya na nchi nyingine? Kwa nini ukija hapa unahitaji work permit? Kwa nini there is CAP on number of employeer (foreigners) that could be employed. Hii yote ni sawa. Lakini who gains what out of such protectionisms? If it is the entire citizenry YES! Kama ni kundi la wajanja wachache this cannot be equated to protectionism but self-serving egos

BUBE,



Naona umechukua muda kutoa mchango wako ambao unanifanya kuona una upeo katika maswala ya integrity. Kwanza! Tatizo la ardhi hata sisi tunalo hapa nchini. Utakuta mtu ana tuma mawakili wake kortini na unayezozana naye humuoni na hutawahi muona kamwe. Taking pride in ones country ni sawa tu na uzalendo na hakuna kibaya nacho lakini kuna ule ambao unatetea ujinga unaotekelezwa nchini. Kama kwa mfano kuna hoteliers, security guards, and mining workers wanaoletwa kutoka nje kufanya kazi tanzania si vyema. Je! Workers union na local pressure groups/ rights activists wa tanzania hawaingilii kati kutetea workforce iliyo na vyeti vya masomo?

Kumbuka ninaposema tucommend china, mimi sio perfectionist. Umaskini ni kitu cha kawaida na sidhani ni kitu cha kuondolewa kwa muongo mmoja. China na wale Asian tigers bado hawako kwa hali ya kuripoti kwamba wameumaliza umaskini. Vile vile kuhusu ICC, kile kinaleta mgawanyiko ni mfumo wa siasa ambao ni kind of a hangover from the former regime ndio walikuwa wanaeneza ukabila na siasa za uridhi na proteges/projects. Wakati huu tunataka siasa kama hii ikomeshwe kupitia civic education na kusisitiza kuundwa kwa leadership and intergrity bill katika katiba. Ndio unaona wakati huu ambao katiba inatekelezwa, wanasiasa wanakaa ni kama wamepigwa na mhstuko wa moyo.

Tuna njia ndefu ya kuenda, kwanza kuhusu matatu na ulevi wa mchana. Lakini BUBE ni jamii gani utaenda ukose mambo haya? Inawezekana kuyapunguza lakini sidhani uovu wote unaweza koma, . Mauaji haya ya watu wa IDP .nk ni jambo limeletwa na tensions na historical injustices. Mimi nina tatizo tu moja na ICC, hawana jurisdiction ya kuwanasa na kuwafungulia mashtaka wahalifu wa kimbari. Nikupe mifano kama uhalifu wa bosnia ambako waislamu wengi waliuwawa, Rais Al bashir wa Sudan kaskazini na vitendo anafanya na makundi yake ya kigaidi mpaka sasa, Bashar al asad wa kule Syria tutaje tu wachache na hatujaribu kutetea mauaji. Kuna mengi ICC hawajagusia na hawajazungumzia sana sana ukizingatia mifano nimekupatia. Mimi naamini tangu uhuru wa nchi ni wengi waafrika waliouliwa na wabeberu, na wengine kutimuliwa kutoka makwao. Na wale wamejaribu kutaka haki zao kutoka kwa serikali za uingereza zitimizwe bado hawajapata.

Tuangalie scenario kama ya jews and the holocaust, Serikali ya ujerumani kufikia sasa miongo tatu iliyopita imekuwa ikigharamia fidia za holocaust. Alipofariki karl Eichmann ni mwaka gani? Lakini ukifananisha na African colonial injustices ni hadithi tofauti. Nimalizie na kusema, a rent seeker, or a donor both have common interests. Do not expect them to bring anything new other than kuleta capital flights. Kwa muda mrefu imekuwa ni kama andiko kuwa Afrika ina matatizo mengi na haiwezi jikwamua kutoka kwa shida kama magonjwa njaa, na baadhi ya mengine kama hayo. Ninajua kuna wakati joto za siasa zitapungua Kenya, lakini kwa sasa wacha tuombee taifa hili letu. Najua Tz mwatuchukua in good light isipokuwa wakereketwa wachache ambao ni asilimia ndogo ukifananisha na wale watanzania ambao ni forward thinking, positive, and optimistic about themselves and their future.

 

[Geza Ulole]

@BUBE,

This so called schemers or rent seekers are everywhere, but I bet they are just a small percentage. Remember if you have a weak corporate/private sector, that in itself will decelerate how government officially runs its business. Thats where you come to learn of ghost companies similar to what happens in Nigeria. The other problem is corruption that has deeply infested the private sector. Kiboko ya huu muozo ni perfomance contracting ambayo inaendelea france, india, pakistan,kenya na imeweza kuwa effective mno. for PC, you would normally set standards for applicants on the basis of outcome/results rather than the process/objectives, and in addition, how many successful contracts they have managed to accomplish.

Ili nikujibu swali uliyouliza hapo chini. La, sio lazima na hatuitaji watu wa nje kuleta vyanzo vya vipato, ingawa inawezekana kuweka asilimia ndogo ili wageni waweze kuleta competition. Moyo alileta wazo zuri kuhusu workforce ya tanzania kuwa iko below ya kiwango cha semi-professional and very unreliable. Kawaida hii ni changamoto inayoletwa na system of education regardless of which level tunawewza zungumzia.

Another thing, wakati serikali ya kenya tuseme inasistiza kuwa kila mwanachi apate kitambulisho by 2013 na huku the walio maskini ndio wengi na vipande, hua inaharibu ile balance ya kujaribu kutumia hesabu. Rent Seeking is a very discriminative system of manupilation, kwasababu wale wanayoitenda huwa wanalindwa kama mayai tuseme na utawala ulioko. The best thing is for EA to ape China and their model of economic growth. China and the west have ruffled feathers na mpaka sasa they are doing it with the so called monetary policies zao and that has been partly a factor that has economically catapulted them to where they are currently.

BTW, I thought moyo is Kenyan?

keep thinking u better cross-check before putting up ur ignorance to a light here Dambisa Moyo is a lady from Zambia (nationality)

 

[Kabaridi]

Mzalendo Upo sahihi kabisa. Ila singependa kusema nina upeo katika masuala ya integrity ila as a moderate Tanzanian nadhani ninaweza kukaa na kujadili.

NImesema upo sahihi kwa kuwa kila jamii inakuwa na mapungufu yake! Na ni vema kukubari udhaifu ili kusahihishwa/kurekebisha. Hata hivyo ningependa kuongelea kidogo kuhusu vyama vya wafanyakazi. When you have corrupt system and rent seekers being treated more than wananchi, then you know hata wakati mwingine haki ya mwananchi inaweza kukanyagwa to protect the so called investors. Uzalendo kitu muhimu, pengine ndo maana kwa sehemu kubwa nawapenda wakenya. Niliwahi kukaa sehemu ambapo kila nikitaka kupanda ndege ilikuwa lazima kupanda KQ! I felt so bad, kwa kuwa wakati mwingine haikuhitaji kutumia airline hiyo. But with time nikaja kugundua how patriotic some Kenyans are....kama ndiye anayekufanyia booking atahakikisha unachangia uchumi wa nchi yake.Kwa mtazamo wangu hii si dhambi, inakubarika! Kwa bahati mbaya uzalendo wa watz wengi uko kwenye edge of collapsing. Siwalau sana japo inaniuma. Siwalaumu kwa kuwa the rights observers and defenders hawajaweza kuendeleza mijadala inayosimamia uzalendo zaidi. Baadhi ya wale wanaoonekana wazalendo tunawabeza...tunawambia kuwa 'nyie hamjapata nafasi ya kufisidi ndo maana mnapiga kelele". This is not right

Sasa nieleze kidogo kuhusu ICC na mengine nchi nyingine. Ukweli ni kwamba kuwa kosa moja haliwezi kuhalalisha koso jingine. NIna maana gani hapa? Kwamba Egypt, Sudan, na kwingineko kuna matatizo ya kiutawala na mauaji, hakuwezi kuhalalisha makosa yaliyofanyika Kenya baada ya uchaguzi na hakuwezi kuwafidia (walao kuonesha haki inatendeka kwa IDPs). Niseme kiukweli hili tatizo wanalo wanasiasa wengi.

Nakubaliana nawe kuhusu China na maeneo mengine. Nimewahi kukaa eneo moja ambapo wananchi walikuwa wanalalamika kwa kuwa ajira kwa vijana wao zilikuwa zimepungua simply because companies were either closing or scalling down their operations and moving to invest in China. What are we seeing today? Ukienda soka la Ulaya hasa nguo na electronics, limejaa bidhaaa toka China.....who are the producers? Euroopean companies registered in China! Kampuni kama Nokia (originally from Finland) ni mojawapo ya mifano hii.

Kwa bahati mbaya tunapoongelea kuweka vikwazo vya kiuchumi/kibiashara, there is no single country that ever developed without protecting her people! Take it from me, the Americans, Germans and Britons might not be where they are today if at the start they were not keen in protecting national interest! Hawa walifanya with high level of integrity! Uzalendo kwanza na uadilifu pia! They never invited rent seeking companies! Ukijulikana unakuwa-named and ashamed!
Kwa hiyo ndo maana mimi sina tatizo na Tz pale ambapo fikwazo vimewekwa katika kupromote national interest. Jiulize kwanini tunahitaji visa kwenda ulaya na nchi nyingine? Kwa nini ukija hapa unahitaji work permit? Kwa nini there is CAP on number of employeer (foreigners) that could be employed. Hii yote ni sawa. Lakini who gains what out of such protectionisms? If it is the entire citizenry YES! Kama ni kundi la wajanja wachache this cannot be equated to protectionism but self-serving egos

Hapo kwenye purple kuhusu vikwazo au protectionism, ni jambo la kawaida. Right now china is facing hardships nchini SA na policies rais Zuma ameweka kuhusu cheap imports from China. And at a certain level protectionism inakubalika wakati unajaribu kuprotect a weak and ailing industry na bidhaa zake. Tuna controversies especially kuhusu exhorbitant permit fees. Hata hapa kwa mijadala, inasemekana sekta ya utalii tanzania imepita ile ya kenya sijui kama ni ukweli figurewise. This being the case kwanini fees za permits ziongezwe maradufu? Au ni unfair competiton?!! tena tambua the improvement is based on high or low season. Nilitarajia kuwa ikiwa sekta ya utalii inafanya vizuri, kwamba kutakuwa na increased waiver of permits based on the number of tourists arriving. Naweza conclude kama ulivyosema hapo juu that such protectionism is self serving or to satisfy egos.

On the ICC tuanze na lubanga issue in the hague, Thomas Lubanga had masterminded what we called crimes against humanity for a decade now, amekuwa in hidng na ICC inafanya what we call hasty prosecution verdicts to keep up with time as events unfold. Wakati wa kufa kwa nyani huonekana wazi! DRC refugees are fleeing to Uganda especially sehemu za North Kivu province of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). I was expecting yule ana mastermind this process awe ana tafutwa. Mimi sina pingamizi wacha the guilty in ICC waende to court, let wale walitenda au kuruhusu uuaji wakakamatwe.

 

[Kabaridi]

keep thinking u better cross-check before putting up ur ignorance to a light here Dambisa Moyo is a lady from Zambia (nationality)

Do you read excerpts on this forum before rushing here to post your stuff? Have you not read what Ab-titchaz had initially posted? Let me do even the simple stuff for you

https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...ade-barriers-in-eac-report-8.html#post3673497

 

[Geza Ulole]

Do you read excerpts on this forum before rushing here to post your stuff? Have you not read what Ab-titchaz had initially posted? Let me do even the simple stuff for you

https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...ade-barriers-in-eac-report-8.html#post3673497

yes n i gave my contribution before n again cross-check my views on trade barriers in EAC!

 

[Kabaridi]

yes n i gave my contribution before n again cross-check my views on trade barriers in EAC!

There is Moyo who is a Kenyan and Dambisa Moyo from Zambia. I think I caught that first time from Ab-titchaz

 

[Smatta]

There is Moyo who is a Kenyan and Dambisa Moyo from Zambia. I think I caught that first time from Ab-titchaz

Rules of the internet #14 DO NOT ARGUE WITH TROLLS, IT MEANS THEY WIN, son's been baiting you for a minute there, the best you can do to save the thread is ignoring him.

 

[The Quonquerer]

wHY IS Kenya Airways advertising on a Tanzanian forum (JF), they have to be charged twice as much, afterall in their country, they practice no fair trade...they screw others!