Kobello
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Well driven trade? Driven by who? lol
You mean regulated huh?
Change in perception?...... that's a two-way traffic.
Tanzania has most trade barriers in EAC- report!!!
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You mean regulated huh?
Change in perception?...... that's a two-way traffic.
JokaKuu
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Mzalendo,
..nadhani tatizo la hii community ni kwamba ime-base on COMPETITION among member states na siyo UNDUGU.
..niliwahi kusema haya kabla hujaanza kuchangia humu, lakini wengi[on kenyan side] wakaniona mtu wa ajabu.
..wananchi wa East Africa r not encouraged to respect each respect each other, let alone care about one another.
..member states[governments] r trying to out smart one another, instead of working together to make sure each country is getting a fair share or deal.
..competition is good, but it should not get to the point where it becomes ugly and threatens the very existence of the community. Competition should encourage professionalism, efficiency, and other things which move the community forward in a positive direction.
..It is very unfortunate kwamba so far chuki, dharau, na matusi, r a common thing among citizens of EAC.
NB:
..diplomatic relations btn Moi and M-7 were not good prior to 1995.
..siku Mkapa anakuwa sworn in, Moi alimsalimia Mwalimu Nyerere huku akimu-ignore M-7. Mwalimu Nyerere who was seated btn the two presidents akawaelekeza washikane mikono and the entire stadium wakashangilia. Walipofika Ikulu Moi,M-7,na Mkapa, ndiyo wakaazimia ku-revive the EAC.
..but i have to agree with u that the relationship among our Presidents r not good. This is not the relationship that Mwalimu had with the likes of Kaunda,Samora,Obote etc. tatizo nadhani linarudi kulekule kwamba kila kiongozi anajaribu kumzidi mahesabu na kuwa mjanja-mjanja zaidi ya mwenzake.
Geza Ulole
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Kenya is just as bad if not worse when it comes to bribes and extorting from business by police, KRA, KPA,KPC etc. I am talking from experience, Uganda is a little better and South sudan is another jungle where drivers even get killed sometimes by the SPLA.
Posted April 03, 2012 06:49 PM
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Olenguitui,Thats not the language you use against neighbours. It is not even worth being published. While i dont support NTBs, i think looking at roadblocks alone can not be a measure enough. between Nairobi and Meru (240km) you will encounter not less than 4 roadblocks and tens of police checks. Namanga to Dar es Salaam (750km) you will encounter less than 5 roadblocks and less than 5 police check points. Who is fooling who ? i am a Kenyan.
Posted April 03, 2012 06:24 PM
- Submitted by gezaulole
At times i fail to understand motives behind this kind of reports! So does it mean that police check points and weight bridge are more trade hindrance than http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/658040/-/view/printVersion/-/11nt4ba/-/index.html and http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/-/2558/1189114/-/view/printVersion/-/m56pxqz/-/index.html. Or the known fact that Kenya is more corrupt than the rest on the global corruption Index? Have u guys forgot what happened when police check points were removed earlier in 2000s in Northern cities of Arusha and Moshi that forced an immediate re-introduction of Police check points! How about overloading by trucks!? should our roads not be protected?
Posted April 03, 2012 05:01 PM
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At times i fail to understand motives behind this kind of reports! So does it mean that police check points and weight bridge are more trade hindrance than http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/658040/-/view/printVersion/-/11nt4ba/-/index.html and http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/-/2558/1189114/-/view/printVersion/-/m56pxqz/-/index.html. Or the known fact that Kenya is more corrupt than the rest on the global corruption Index? Have u guys forgot what happened when police check points were removed earlier in 2000s in Northern cities of Arusha and Moshi that forced an immediate re-introduction of Police check points! How about overloading by trucks!? should our roads not be protected?
Posted April 03, 2012 05:01 PM
- Submitted by AmenoChekha
Truth be told that Tanzanians are usually uneasy with foreigners,including fellow East Africans.There is an unspoken suspicion on what are you upto and how is it going to benefit wazalendo.It didnt help either that the largest armed robbery in the history of their nation was pulled by Kenyans whose case is still on going.Kenya will have to learn to live with a neighbor who doesnt like you!
Posted April 03, 2012 04:16 PM
- Submitted by harrydre2
why not just leave them out of EAC? alternatively impose same barriers for them as well.
Posted April 03, 2012 03:36 PM
- Submitted by polopiachpolopiach
It is high time the rest of EAC cooperating countries do something about TZ.It is like the current government in TZ see EAC common market as not beneficial, or what else best explains Tanzania's behaviour?? Personally, I find TZ behaviour really backward, they treat Kenyans like criminals.
Posted April 03, 2012 03:18 PM
- Submitted by olenguitui
What do you expect. These people have no idea how to do business and they don't want others to chip in.
Posted April 03, 2012 02:21 PM
- Submitted by Maji_Baridi
A truck gets stopped TEN times in a single trip in TZ?!?! That is a perfect breeding environment for corruption and the exponential increase in the cost of doing business.
Posted April 03, 2012 02:20 PM
- Submitted by Arapmisenge
MRC thinking? Nyerere's curse?
Posted April 03, 2012 02:04 PM
Mwembetayari
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I was expecting 39 million comments from all Kenyans!
Geza Ulole
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how many of u can read n write to expect 39 mio. comments? Or how many of u can access internet or afford to buy a newspaper!
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Gangi Longa
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n still u expect all 39 mio. kenyans to contribute! If literacy is 85-90% (estimation with the WB data)?Here is your answer
Mwembetayari
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Yes! If we are going to go by the select comments introduced by Geza Ulole to paint Kenyans as hateful, I expect 39 million comments before reaching that conclusion.
HAHA :biggrin: :biggrin: you guys dont get this?
kshaka
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Here is your answer
uppercut :lol:
Kabaridi
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Kawaida huwa na admire watu kama akina kenneth kaunda sana. Huyu ndio naweza sema baada ya mandela apewe recognition kwa sababu he was born for mediation, a peace maker indeed. If we can have such people currently katika siasa, tunaweza kuwa na uhusiano mwema wa kibalozi, haijalishi hata kama mifumo za serikali zinatofautiana. Huu ujanja unaopangwa na viongozi EAC inatuelekeza kwa miendo za konokono katika kukoma kisiasa. Tunaweza kuiga mifano za sera za ulaya na misingi wameweka katika EU. Competition ni nzuri, ikiwa inafaidi pande zote mbili, lakini ikiwa ni mmoja anafaidika zaidi kushinda mwenzake, itakuwa inaitwa man-eat-man society. Not a healthy way to interact.
Kama ulivyosema competition should encourage professionalism. Yawezekana kuna competition nzuri lakini unfairness/political interference inaweza letwa na vibaraka walio na tamaa ya kuchuma vya bure na kuvuna ambapo hawajapanda. Itakuwa vizuri vizingiti vikiondolewa na wewe fikiria mwenyewe kwamba uko na uhuru wa kufanya kazi, kuelimika, na kufanya biashara popote. Itakuwa maisha nzuri jinsi gani?
Geza Ulole
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n u believe that u r 90% of Kenyan r literate? just tell me one thing how can a place like Turkana be 90% literate looking at the following report! And consider Eastern Province and North Eastern that have nearly 13 mio. Kenyans
Turkana county at a glance
By NATION REPORTER
Posted Wednesday, April 27 2011 at 16:20
GEOGRAPHY
Location: Located in north western Kenya bordering Marsabit county to the east, Samburu county to the south east, and Baringo and West Pokot county to the south, to the South-west
Area (Km 2): 68,680.3 Km 2
Climate/Weather: Warm and hot climate, unreliable rainfall pattern ranging between 300mm and 400mm per annum
Road Network: Bitumen Surface (319.2 Km), Gravel Surface (296.7 Km), Earth Surface (2030.5 Km)
Key National Monument(s): Lake Turkana National Park
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POPULATION
Population: 855,399 (Male 52 %, Female - 48 %)
Population Density: 6.9 people per Km 2
National Percentage: 2.2 %
Annual Growth Rate: Not Available
Age Distribution: 0-14 years (46.0%), 15-64 years (51.6 %), 65+ years (2.4%)
Number of Households: 123,192
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GOVERNMENT
County Capital: Lodwar Town (proposed)
Number of Constituencies (2010): 3 (Turkana North, Turkana Central, and Turkana South)
Registered Voters: 116,816
National percentage: 1.0 %
Number of Districts (2009): 6 (Turkana Central, Turkana North, Turkana South, Turkana West, Turkana East, Loima)
Number of Local Authorities (2010): 2 (Municipal council of Lodwar, County Council of Turkana)
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ECONOMICS
Poverty Level: 95% of population live below poverty line
Age Dependency Ratio: 89.4
Resources: Natural (gemstones and saltlicks, gold dormant, wildlife, Lake Turkana, Turkwell Dam)
Tourist Attractions: Lake Turkana National Park, Loiyangalani Desert Museum
Financial Services: 3 Commercial Banks, 2 Micro-finance Institutions
Main Economic Activities/industries: Livestock farming and trade, fishing, weaving, and tourism
Agricultural products: Sorghum, Maize
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EDUCATION
Number of Institutions (2007): Primary (202), Secondary (19)
Primary: Enrolment (122,883)
Teacher to Pupil Ratio: 1: 51
Secondary: Enrolment (48,004)
Teacher to Pupil Ratio: 1: 27.7 (Public Schools)
Tertiary: At least 2 Institutions
Adult Literacy Classes: Enrolment (562)
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HEALTH
Health Facilities: District Hospitals (3), Sub-District Hospitals (2), Dispensaries (91), Health Centres (6), Medical Clinics (19), Health Programs (3) Others (3)
Doctor to Population Ratio: 1:52,434
Infant Mortality Rates: 60/1000
Under Five Mortality Rates: 12/1000
Prevalent Diseases: Malnutrition
Notable Hospitals: Lodwar, Katilu, and Lokitaung District Hospitals
Compiled by Institute of Economic Affairs: decentralization@ieakenya.or.ke
http://www.nation.co.ke/Counties/Tur...3/-/index.html
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Pamoja na sie watz kuwa na matatizo ya kimsingi kama vile ufisadi, rushwa, miundombinu mibovu na mengineyo lakini mie naona tatizo la EAC ni tofauti za kitabia na kimtazamo kati ya wakenya na watanzania. Nionavyo wakenya waliaminishwa sana kuwa wao ni bora zaidi kuliko watanzania na wakaendelea kuamini hivyo kwa muda mrefu sana. Tatizo hilo lipo hata ndani ya kenya ambako wakikuyu wamejiona bora kuliko wengine na kufanikiwa kuwakalia wengine kwa miaka mingi.
Kwa miaka mingi wakenya waliamini kuwa ktk Afrika mashariki wao ndio wako juu na wanaweza kudrive nchi zingine vyovyote wanavyotaka. Walijisikia wanafanikiwa sana walipoona jumuiya imeanzishwa maana wakati huo waligundua kuwa njia pekee ya kenya kumaliza matatizo yake ni kushirikiana na TZ nchi ambayo awali hawakuona umuhimu wake. Wakati huo Tz ilikuwa ikiongozwa na mwandishi wa habari ambaye alikuwa akifanya maamuzi ya kikasuku, aliyefanya kazi ya kuiuza tanzania kwa juhudi kubwa bila hata tahadhari. Alishindwa hata kuona umuhimu wa kusukuma SADC ielekee kwenye shirikisho, akaamua kufuata upepo wa akina Moi kuanzisha jumuiya na watu waliojaa njaa, wajeuri, dharau na kiburi cha kuzaliwa.
Ukweli ni kuwa chuki za sasa kati ya wakenya na waTz zinatokana na mindset ya wakenya kuelekea kwa watz. Dawa yake ni kuanzisha program ya kuwaelimisha wakenya jinsi ya kuwa na staha kwa watu wengine na halafu watambue kuwa pamoja na kuwa Tz kwa sasa tuna uongozi mbovu lakini bado tunatambua kuwa tunatakiwa kulinda maslahi yetu ya kiuchumi, kijamii na kiusalama. Wakenya watarajie ushindani zaidi kiuchumi kutoka Tz kuliko kukumbatiana na kuungana, waendelee kuwaendesha hao wengine wasiowajua vizuri wakenya. Sie watanzania tunawaelewa vizuri wakenya na tunajua vizuri changamoto za muungano kuliko nchi yoyote EAC, na tunajijua vizuri zaidi sie kuliko wakenya wanavyotufahamu. Tunajua tulikotoka na jinsi kenya isivyoaminika na Tz haiwezi kurudia kosa.
Vyombo vya habari vya kenya viache kuiganda Tz kama luba vijikite kuelezea matatizo ya kenya kama vile ukabila, rushwa, ufisadi, ardhi, chokoraa lukuki walio kila mahali pamoja na tatizo la wanaume kupigwa na wake zao.
Kama wakenya wanahitaji sana ushirikiano wa kibiashara na wanaona kuwa EAC kuna vikwazo vingi basi waelekeze nguvu zao ktk IGAD huko watafanya biashara na somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan na Djibout.
Kwa miaka mingi wakenya waliamini kuwa ktk Afrika mashariki wao ndio wako juu na wanaweza kudrive nchi zingine vyovyote wanavyotaka. Walijisikia wanafanikiwa sana walipoona jumuiya imeanzishwa maana wakati huo waligundua kuwa njia pekee ya kenya kumaliza matatizo yake ni kushirikiana na TZ nchi ambayo awali hawakuona umuhimu wake. Wakati huo Tz ilikuwa ikiongozwa na mwandishi wa habari ambaye alikuwa akifanya maamuzi ya kikasuku, aliyefanya kazi ya kuiuza tanzania kwa juhudi kubwa bila hata tahadhari. Alishindwa hata kuona umuhimu wa kusukuma SADC ielekee kwenye shirikisho, akaamua kufuata upepo wa akina Moi kuanzisha jumuiya na watu waliojaa njaa, wajeuri, dharau na kiburi cha kuzaliwa.
Ukweli ni kuwa chuki za sasa kati ya wakenya na waTz zinatokana na mindset ya wakenya kuelekea kwa watz. Dawa yake ni kuanzisha program ya kuwaelimisha wakenya jinsi ya kuwa na staha kwa watu wengine na halafu watambue kuwa pamoja na kuwa Tz kwa sasa tuna uongozi mbovu lakini bado tunatambua kuwa tunatakiwa kulinda maslahi yetu ya kiuchumi, kijamii na kiusalama. Wakenya watarajie ushindani zaidi kiuchumi kutoka Tz kuliko kukumbatiana na kuungana, waendelee kuwaendesha hao wengine wasiowajua vizuri wakenya. Sie watanzania tunawaelewa vizuri wakenya na tunajua vizuri changamoto za muungano kuliko nchi yoyote EAC, na tunajijua vizuri zaidi sie kuliko wakenya wanavyotufahamu. Tunajua tulikotoka na jinsi kenya isivyoaminika na Tz haiwezi kurudia kosa.
Vyombo vya habari vya kenya viache kuiganda Tz kama luba vijikite kuelezea matatizo ya kenya kama vile ukabila, rushwa, ufisadi, ardhi, chokoraa lukuki walio kila mahali pamoja na tatizo la wanaume kupigwa na wake zao.
Kama wakenya wanahitaji sana ushirikiano wa kibiashara na wanaona kuwa EAC kuna vikwazo vingi basi waelekeze nguvu zao ktk IGAD huko watafanya biashara na somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan na Djibout.
livefire
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umesahau Uganda kwa jedwali lako, Tz mtalalama hadi lini? We dont need a mind reset mkuu, its pure competition and if you cant sustain a barrage of Kenyan domination the only thing to do is to shut out your markets. Infact Kenyans arent bothered with what transpires inside Tz, we made a deal to scrap border cumbersomeness. Kenyans dont charge you these petty levies, why should you? Its a competitive world we leave in. If Tanzania had superior products, Dar would never lose business to Mombasa or you feeling threatened by Kenya toying with an airport in Taveta. Its the reinvention in your mindsets that is needed. arrogance doesnt take a night to florish. if facts are laid out and you keep disputing them, decisions arrived then you bankroll on them its most likely a possible consequence is arrogance and despise. Dont blame Kenya on EAC woes, infact Kenya hosts the biggest trade corridor that serves EAST and CENTRAL AFRICA with this implying that we will lose business on full implementation of EAC. However no authority is complaining, EAC will reward in better ways in the long term and its appetizing. a symbiotic relationship for the EAC member states. Meanwhile Kenya is busy thinking outside the natural EAC partner states by tapping to markets such as Ethiopia and SS. Why do tanzanians feel threatened by EAC? Ugandans are good, rwandans perfect...but Tanzania.
Geza Ulole
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mbona msiondoe police check point in the North Eastern province? si Somalia ipo IGAD? Hivi nyie fools mnajua 80% ya silaha za kivita TZ zinatokea around Burundi and DRC areas!?
livefire
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now wat is this slow thinker talking about!?!?.....i think you meant unregistered firearms. Anyway you are silly to insinuate we scrap check points on Kenyas N.Eastern province, its actually a defacto terror cell so forget it plus thats not even a transport corridor.
Kibona
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Kama mna nguvu acheni kulalama basi. Na mbona masoko ya Ethiopia mnayatafuta bila kuhamasisha muungano wa IGAD? Sie hatuitaki EAC na sie tuna mbinu zetu za kufanya biashara sasa kama mnajiona nyie ndio mna nguvu mbona mnakesha kuijadili Tz? Umeona media za Tz zinapayuka kuhusu kenya?
Kibona
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We ndo kimeo mgumu wa kuelewa. Geza anasema mbona nyie mmejaza vituo vya ukaguzi mpakani na Somalia halafu matulalamikia sie tunapoweka vituo vya ukaguzi kuzuia silaha haramu na maovu mengine kutoka nchi zinazotuzunguka kama Burundi na kenya?
livefire
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asanta ndugu, ni venye sikufurahishwa alivyonena, eti ''nyie fools''.
Mwembetayari
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If you dont want the EAC what is your government still doing in it? LEAVE!
Mwembetayari
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What a gem this one is. The difference is the existence of the EAC treaty. Last time I checked Somalia was not part of EAC and Burundi was. IGAD does not guarantee free movement of people! Do you guys read what you write?:biggrin:
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