Swali: Inawezekanaje nchi (Kenya) kutokuwa na huduma za hospitali kwa zaidi ya miezi mitatu?

[eliakeem]

Nimekuwa nikifuatilia kwa ukaribu kuhusu mgomo wa madaktari nchini. Imefikia mahala kila upande unajiona una haki na nguvu kuliko upande mwingine. Kila mmoja anatunisha misuli. Madaktari kwa upande mmoja hawataki kurudi nyuma na pia serikali kwa upande wake mwingine imeshikiria msimamo wake.
Maswali yangu ni:
1. Mwananchi wa kawaida wa Kenya (ambao ndiyo wengi) amewezaje kuishi bila matibabu kwa kipindi chote hicho?

2. Je hakuna madhara kwa wananchi yaliyotokana na mgomo huo?

3. Kama yapo madhara, nani atawafidia wahanga?

4. Kama hospitali zote za umma zimefungwa, kwa maana nyingine hazifanyi kazi kwa muda wa zaidi ya robo mwaka. Je kuna umuhimu wa kuwa na waziri anayesimamia wizara hiyo?

5. Je nchi haina madaktari wanajeshi ambao wangeweza kuhudumu katika mahospitali ya umma?

Wajumbe naombeni tujadili tukiwa na moyo mkunjufu, huku tukiwafikiria wanawake, waja wazito, watoto, wazee na wengine wote ambao hawana uwezo wa kufanya matibabu kwenye hospitali zinazomilikiwa na watu au taasisi binafsi. Wamewezaje kipindi chote hicho kujitibu??
Nawasilisha.

 

[eliakeem]

I'm also wondering where are these so called whistle blowers to jump in..

 

[mtanzania1989]

Hii ndio demokrasia isiyo na mipaka iliyopo Afrika, sidhani nchi yoyote timamu inaweza ruhusu mgomo wa madaktari kwa miezi 3, tulimkasirikia JK kumudhuru Dr Ulimboka, ila kama kiongozi yale yalikuwa maamuzi magumu kuokoa wengi, acha tuendelee kuona demokrasia ya Afrika inavyofanya kazi.

 

[eliakeem]

Pia baadaye wizara husika itoe tathimini kuhusu athari na madhara ya mgomo huu kwa wananchi mmoja mmoja, jamii na serikali kwa ujumla.

 

[Mhe McAmacy]

wale madaktari wa kimaasai bado wapo tu. Hao wakigoma tu serikali itatilia maanani swala hili.

 

[eliakeem]

wale madaktari wa kimaasai bado wapo tu. Hao wakigoma tu serikali itatilia maanani swala hili.

Duu embu nijuze zaidi. Ina maana wale madaktari wa makabila mengine hawapo??
Pia madaktari wa kimasai si wanachama wa chama cha madaktari wa Kenya??

 

[Mhe McAmacy]

Duu embu nijuze zaidi. Ina maana wale madaktari wa makabila mengine hawapo??
Pia madaktari wa kimasai si wanachama wa chama cha madaktari wa Kenya??

nazungumzia wale maasai traditonal doctors, wale huza dawa za kutibu kila aina ya magonjwa(inaaminika), sijui kama Tz wapo?

 

[Razaky]

clinical officers walikua kazini.infact co's huchapa job kuliko medical officers.complicated procedures labda ndio issue but minor surgeries could be handled by co's

 

[game over]

Kenyans hamko safe in all aspects, you don't have a government.

 

[Mekatilili]

These are the types of questions that people who depend on government for all their needs ask.

Kenya has an extensive network of private hospitals. From the larger ones to smaller neighborhood hospitals. The vast majority of Kenyans visit these private hospitals. The vast majority of low income Kenyans use public hospitals, and they are the ones who bore the brunt of the impasse.

I suspect that Tanzanians rely on their bony nanny state for everything and terms like "the private sector" are almost alien.

 

[OSCAMO]

These are the types of questions that people who depend on government for all their needs ask.

Kenya has an extensive network of private hospitals. From the larger ones to smaller neighborhood hospitals. The vast majority of Kenyans visit these private hospitals. The vast majority of low income Kenyans use public hospitals, and they are the ones who bore the brunt of the impasse.

I suspect that Tanzanians rely on their bony nanny state for everything and terms like "the private sector" are almost alien.

Wenzetu wa TZ wanaposoma taarifa kuwa kuna migomo KE, wao hudhani nchi husimama. Wasichokijua ni kwamba private sector iliyoko Kenya, kuanzia mashule hadi ma-hospitali, haina mithili Africa mashariki na kati.

 

[eliakeem]

Mekatilili
[URL='https://www.jamiiforums.com/members/oscamo.396222/']OSCAMO
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Guys hatukatai ya kuwa kuna mtandao wa hospitali nyingi za binafsi ambacho ni kitu kizuri licha ya kuwa kuna nchi zilizoendelea zinasema in serious Tone Don't give the health and education sector to the private.......

Lakini swali la msingi ni asilimia ngapi ya wananchi wa Kenya wanaweza kumudu gharama za afya katika hatua mbali mbali kwa kipini chote hiki cha zaidi ya robo mwaka??

 

[Muria]

Wenzetu wa TZ wanaposoma taarifa kuwa kuna migomo KE, wao hudhani nchi husimama. Wasichokijua ni kwamba private sector iliyoko Kenya, kuanzia mashule hadi ma-hospitali, haina mithili Africa mashariki na kati.

This is true. Miaka ya zamani nchi ya Kenya ili-encourage madhehebu mbali mbali kuwekeza katika sekta za afya na elimu na mwisho wake ni kuwa kuna network kubwa ya hospitali na shule za kidini (Anglican/Roman Catholic/Islamic/Adventist/Sikh Union etc) ambazo hutoa huduma kwa watu wengi. Hii ilipunguza madhara ya mgomo huo.

 

[Muria]

Mekatilili
OSCAMO
https://www.jamiiforums.com/members/mekatilili.57355/
Guys hatukatai ya kuwa kuna mtandao wa hospitali nyingi za binafsi ambacho ni kitu kizuri licha ya kuwa kuna nchi zilizoendelea zinasema in serious Tone Don't give the health and education sector to the private.......

Lakini swali la msingi ni asilimia ngapi ya wananchi wa Kenya wanaweza kumudu gharama za afya katika hatua mbali mbali kwa kipini chote hiki cha zaidi ya robo mwaka??

Nadhani tukisema hospitali binafsi haina maana kuwa lazima ziwe zina gharama kubwa. Mfano kuna hospitali nyingi zisizo za serikali ambazo gharama zao ni za kawaida kwa sababu lengo lao sio faida bali kutoa huduma (not for profit).

Kilichotokea ni kwamba kweli kulikuwa na impact fulani kwenye sekta ya afya ila ile impact haikuwa kubwa sana kwa sababu nchini Kenya kuna support infrastructure nyingine ukiacha serikali kwenye sekta hii ya Afya. Hii inawapa wananchi alternatives ambazo nchi nyingine pengine hazina.

 

[eliakeem]

Nadhani tukisema hospitali binafsi haina maana kuwa lazima ziwe zina gharama kubwa. Mfano kuna hospitali nyingi zisizo za serikali ambazo gharama zao ni za kawaida kwa sababu lengo lao sio faida bali kutoa huduma (not for profit).

Kilichotokea ni kwamba kweli kulikuwa na impact fulani kwenye sekta ya afya ila ile impact haikuwa kubwa sana kwa sababu nchini Kenya kuna support infrastructure nyingine ukiacha serikali kwenye sekta hii ya Afya. Hii inawapa wananchi alternatives ambazo nchi nyingine pengine hazina.

Kama ni kweli hospitali za binafsi ni nyingi ujue tatizo ni kubwa sana, kwa maana inawezekana wale wote ambao wamegoma katika mahospitali ya umma, ndo wamiliki wa hospitali binafsi (vijiwe) hivyo vya binafsi.......ni shida kubwa sana.

 

[oneflash]

Kama ni kweli hospitali za binafsi ni nyingi ujue tatizo ni kubwa sana, kwa maana inawezekana wale wote ambao wamegoma katika mahospitali ya umma, ndo wamiliki wa hospitali binafsi (vijiwe) hivyo vya binafsi.......ni shida kubwa sana.

Sasa shida yatokea wapi tena? Wewe ulitaka kujua hali mbadala iliyowezesha wakenya kustahimili makali ya huu mgomo na ushapewa sababu. Ni wazi ya kwamba kuna uwezekano kuwa hao wenye kugoma ndio wenye hizo hospitali/kliniki za kibinafsi. Swali ni: kati ya huduma zitolewazo na hizi hospitali na umiliki wake ni kipi cha maana? Mimi kama mgojwa sina haja ya kujua mwenye kumiliki bali ni huduma.

 

[eliakeem]

Sasa shida yatokea wapi tena? Wewe ulitaka kujua hali mbadala iliyowezesha wakenya kustahimili makali ya huu mgomo na ushapewa sababu. Ni wazi ya kwamba kuna uwezekano kuwa hao wenye kugoma ndio wenye hizo hospitali/kliniki za kibinafsi. Swali ni: kati ya huduma zitolewazo na hizi hospitali na umiliki wake ni kipi cha maana? Mimi kama mgojwa sina haja ya kujua mwenye kumiliki bali ni huduma.

Mimi sina shida na ufafanuzi huo wa hospitali mmbadala....... swali langu ni affordability, je wakenya wote wanamudu kugharamia matibabu yao???

 

[Mekatilili]

Mimi sina shida na ufafanuzi huo wa hospitali mmbadala....... swali langu ni affordability, je wakenya wote wanamudu kugharamia matibabu yao???

Again, low cost private hospitals are a dime a dozen. The vast majority of Kenyans visit low cost neighborhood hospitals. During the strike, I visited my local hospital and paid a paltry $880 shillings and went on to get my medication from a local pharmacy.

You have to remember that well over 50% of Kenyans are in the middle class. Government hospitals are frequented by low income Kenyans for subsidized medication and treatment and the middle class and upper middle class for a range of sophisticated treatments.

We keep telling you that Kenya has a sizable middle class, but all Tanzanians want to talk about is Kibera.

Ask any Kenyan on this thread. When was the last time they visited a government hospital? The last time I visited a government hospital was in 1989, when I was born and the same year I got immunized.

Kenya is not Tanzania.

 

[eliakeem]

Mekatilili
Ni hivi 50% unayoizungumzia ni Nairobi pekee. Ukienda Pokot land na maeneo mengine mengi nje ya Nairobi hali si kama unavyozungumzia.
Again 50 ya low income population in Kenya is more than 20mio people. How do these folks survived the standing doctors strike??

 

[MK254]

Mekatilili
Ni hivi 50% unayoizungumzia ni Nairobi pekee. Ukienda Pokot land na maeneo mengine mengi nje ya Nairobi hali si kama unavyozungumzia.
Again 50 ya low income population in Kenya is more than 20mio people. How do these folks survived the standing doctors strike??

Unauliza swali halafu unajitoa ufahamu na kujifanya huelewi unachojibiwa, unaanza kuwa king'ang'anizi ambapo hadi haueleweki unacholenga maana ni wazi hautaki kuelimishwa, upo kisiasa zaidi. Mwanzoni nilikua nashindwa kwanini unang'ang'ania hivi hadi nikasoma signature yako.

Umeambiwa vizuri kuna hospitali nyingi za kibinafsi zisizo za gharama ambazo zilizoanzishwa na madhehebu, hizi hospitali zipo hadi vijijini, zipo hadi huko unakotaja Pokot. Unakuta zina madawa na pia wanatoa huduma kwa bei nafuu. Isingekua kwa usaidizi wao, pangechimbika na kukuridhisha kiu chako kwenye hayo maswali unayong'ang'ania.