South Africa heads for new DRC war

[Talkandtalk]

South Africa has 1000 troops in the DRC as part of the UN's Force Intervention Brigade, which is tasked with "neutralising" threats to the region.

The government yesterday announced that a confrontation with Forces for Democratic Liberation of Rwanda in the Democratic Republic of Congo was "inevitable".

Four thousand FDLR soldiers, many of whom were involved in the 1994 Rwandan genocide, terrorise the eastern DRC.

The looming fight comes after the FDLR ignored the UN's January 2 disarmament deadline.

Department of International Relations and Cooperation spokesman Clayson Monyela said: "The FDLR has failed to comply with the deadline. It renders a military option inevitable."

South Africa has 1000 troops in the DRC as part of the UN's Force Intervention Brigade, which is tasked with "neutralising" threats to the region.

Last year, South African troops fought against M23 rebels in several fierce battles.

Military analyst Helmoed Heitman warned the latest task will not be easy.

"Defeating the M23 was luck. It helped that they were caught by surprise by South Africa's attack helicopters.

"Like any other guerrilla force, they simply disappeared into the forests. They were not defeated."

Heitman said FDLR, while not as organised as the M23, had been around longer and was battle-hardened.

"They will be difficult to fight. Although not as sophisticated [as the M23], they must be found to be defeated. Once found, an effective military presence must be maintained. Like any guerrilla war this will take nearly a decade.

"The FDLR won't take on heavily armed South Africans. It will be guerrilla warfare, where, for counter-insurgency operations, 10 troops are needed for every one guerrilla. This is because of their terrain knowledge and blending in with civilians. [Our] troops need to protect both civilians and property while fighting.

"Stabilising an area requires 20 troops per 1000 population. With over 6.5million people in this area it requires 130000 troops."

Source:timeslive

 

[jMali]

Very alarmist article. FDLR does not have any motive to fight. Some people will be very sad that they will be disarmed without any deaths.

 

[Kituko]

Very alarmist article. FDLR does not have any motive to fight. Some people will be very sad that they will be disarmed without any deaths.

Kaka watu wanashindwa kujua kwa nini Tanzania na SA wako mstari wa mbele kwenye hili, pia ni lazima wajiulize Zuma alikuja kufanya nini Tanzania usiku usiku?FDRL wameamua wenyewe kuweka silaha chini na waka haki ya kulindwa, na Tanzania na SA wako tayari kuangalia usalama wa hao FDRL

 

[jMali]

Kaka watu wanashindwa kujua kwa nini Tanzania na SA wako mstari wa mbele kwenye hili, pia ni lazima wajiulize Zuma alikuja kufanya nini Tanzania usiku usiku?FDRL wameamua wenyewe kuweka silaha chini na waka haki ya kulindwa, na Tanzania na SA wako tayari kuangalia usalama wa hao FDRL

kuna watu wanalazimisha UN iwapige FDLR. M23 walikuwa wanapigana na UN, FDLR hawapigani na UN, hivyo majeshi yetu hayawezi kwenda vijijini na kuanza kupiga watu risasi. Sana sana kitakachotokea ni kwenda kukusanya silaha zao tu, labda wabishe kuzitoa ndio watapigwa.

 

[East African Eagle]

kuna watu wanalazimisha UN iwapige FDLR. M23 walikuwa wanapigana na UN, FDLR hawapigani na UN, hivyo majeshi yetu hayawezi kwenda vijijini na kuanza kupiga watu risasi. Sana sana kitakachotokea ni kwenda kukusanya silaha zao tu, labda wabishe kuzitoa ndio watapigwa.

NI KWELI MKUU m23 waliandika barua kutishia majeshi ya MONUSCO na barua ingine walipeleka wizara ya mambo ya nje ya Tanzania wakitishia JWTZ kuwa watakiona cha mtema kuni wakienda kupigana nao kongo.FDRL haijawahi tishia MONUSCO wala JWTZ WALA MAJESHI YA KONGO.HIVYO NI WATOTO WATIIFU AMBAO NAMNA YA KUWASHUGHULIKIA NI LAZIMA IWE TOFAUTI NA m23.HAWA WAKIHAKIKISHIWA USALAMA WAO WALA HAWANA SHIDA KUWEKA SILAHA CHINI TOFAUTI NA MARUHUNI M23 WALIOKUWA WAKIPEWA KICHWA NA KAGAME.

Kwa fdrl KAZI NI KUKUSANYA SILAHA SI KUWAUA WALA KUWAVURUMISHIA MAKOMBORA LWA SABABU WAKO TAYARI KWA MAZUNGUMZO NA KUSALIMISHA SILAHA KWA SHARTI TU LA KUHAKIKISHIWA USALAMA WAO

 

[murutongore]

tick tock tick tock :A S clock::A S clock::A S clock:

 

[murutongore]

South Africa has 1000 troops in the DRC as part of the UN's Force Intervention Brigade, which is tasked with "neutralising" threats to the region
The government yesterday announced that a confrontation with Forces for Democratic Liberation of Rwanda in the Democratic Republic of Congo was "inevitable".
Four thousand FDLR soldiers, many of whom were involved in the 1994 Rwandan genocide, terrorise the eastern DRC.
The looming fight comes after the FDLR ignored the UN's January 2 disarmament deadline.
Department of International Relations and Cooperation spokesman Clayson Monyela said: "The FDLR has failed to comply with the deadline. It renders a military option inevitable."
South Africa has 1000 troops in the DRC as part of the UN's Force Intervention Brigade, which is tasked with "neutralising" threats to the region.
Last year, South African troops fought against M23 rebels in several fierce battles.
Military analyst Helmoed Heitman warned the latest task will not be easy.
"Defeating the M23 was luck. It helped that they were caught by surprise by South Africa's attack helicopters.
"Like any other guerrilla force, they simply disappeared into the forests. They were not defeated."
Heitman said FDLR, while not as organised as the M23, had been around longer and was battle-hardened.
"They will be difficult to fight. Although not as sophisticated [as the M23], they must be found to be defeated. Once found, an effective military presence must be maintained. Like any guerrilla war this will take nearly a decade.
"The FDLR won't take on heavily armed South Africans. It will be guerrilla warfare, where, for counter-insurgency operations, 10 troops are needed for every one guerrilla. This is because of their terrain knowledge and blending in with civilians. [Our] troops need to protect both civilians and property while fighting.
"Stabilising an area requires 20 troops per 1000 population. With over 6.5million people in this area it requires 130000 troops."
Source: timeslive.co.za

Talkandtalk, Commanche, MUKAMASIMBA, Koba, mchambawima1, jMali aka interahamwe.

 

[murutongore]

Kaka watu wanashindwa kujua kwa nini Tanzania na SA wako mstari wa mbele kwenye hili, pia ni lazima wajiulize Zuma alikuja kufanya nini Tanzania usiku usiku?FDRL wameamua wenyewe kuweka silaha chini na waka haki ya kulindwa, na Tanzania na SA wako tayari kuangalia usalama wa hao FDRL

Department of International Relations and Cooperation spokesman Clayson Monyela said: "The FDLR has failed to comply with the deadline. It renders a military option inevitable."....

Huo ndio msimamo wa South Africa na dunia nzima sasa hivi. Either you are with us or against us. The choice is yours.

 

[Bavaria]

Kwenye hili Rwanda watalazimishwa wameze msumari wa moto. Wataambiwa wawapokee rwanda kama wakimbizi.

 

[JustDoItNow]

Kwenye hili Rwanda watalazimishwa wameze msumari wa moto. Wataambiwa wawapokee rwanda kama wakimbizi.

Hope TZ na SA tutalisimamia hilo. Jamaa anaweza akaanza kuwaua wakirudi kwao rwanda.

 

[Koba]

Very alarmist article. FDLR does not have any motive to fight. Some people will be very sad that they will be disarmed without any deaths.

Endelea kujifanya mbongo kama huyu fake pastor,mtaokotwa one at a time wapuuzi nyie
[h=2]Uganda deports Genocide suspect[/h]

genocide suspect Jean Paul Birindabagabo, alias Pastor Daniel Bagabo, who was recently arrested in Uganda, was last evening deported to Rwanda to face genocide-related charges.


The 59-year-old suspect, who hails from the former Gisenyi, is said to have been a prominent member of the MRND party in the former Kibungo prefecture, where he resided during the 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi.

Birindabagabo disembarks from a RwandAir plane on his arrival at Kigali International Airport last evening as Police officer wait.

He is accused of planning and executing genocide in Sake, the former Kibungo prefecture (now Kirehe and Ngoma districts) where he is alleged to have directed widespread massacre of the Tutsi.
At approximately 7:30pm, RwandAir 9XR-WF commercial plane carrying Birindabagabo touched down at Kigali International Airport transporting the suspect from Uganda. After the plane landed, Birindabagabo remained on board for about 15 minutes as other passengers were alighting.

A police officer handcuffs Birindabagabo upon his arrival in the presence of Rwandan and Ugandan Immigration officials.

Minutes later, Birindabagabo, clad in an orange shirt, grey trousers and holding a black polythene bag full of his personal belongings disembarked from the plane in company of Chris Ongyera, a Ugandan immigration officer.
Ongyera handed Birindabagabo to the Rwandan Immigration officials in the presence of a couple of policemen who handcuffed him and took him to a distant room where the Ugandan and Rwandan immigration officials finalised deportation paperwork.

Jean Paul Birindabagabo is taken away by Police after being handled over by Chris Ongyera a Ugandan Immigrations Officer.

In accordance with the relevant legal provisions, the immigration authorities handed him to the designated Judicial Police Officer. Under tight guard, Birindabagabo was then led to a waiting Police detainee van.
"Rwanda National Public Prosecution Authority appreciates the efforts invested in by relevant authorities, including the Government of Uganda," said Alain Mukuralinda, the spokesperson of the prosecution.
Police Spokesperson Chief Supt. Celestin Twahirwa told journalists that after the Genocide, the suspect fled to DR Congo and later crossed to Uganda where he changed his name.

Charles Nkubito, an Immigration officer, displays the deportation paperwork upon receipt from his Ugandan counterpart Chris Ongyera.

"He was arrested after Rwanda issued a warrant of arrest for him and was put on Interpol red notice. He will be interrogated by the judicial police before being handed over to the prosecution," Twahirwa said.

Prosecution spokesperson Alain Mukuralinda speaks to reporters at KIA last evening.

Back in Kampala, the Director of Interpol in the Uganda Police, Asan Kasinge, told The New Times that the suspect was "illegally staying in Uganda disguising as a pastor and has been running a church in Buwama, Mpigi District."
Birindabagabo is said to have entered Uganda ten years ago and settled in Mpigi.

Police spokes person Celestin Twahirwa briefs the media about Birindabagabo's case after the latter's arrival at Kigali International Airport.

This is not the first time that Ugandan authorities are arresting wanted Genocide suspects. In 2009, Idelphonse Nizeyimana, one of the most wanted Genocide suspects then was arrested in Uganda and extradited to ICTR in Arusha, Tanzania. Nizeyimana, commonly referred to as the "Queen Killer" for killing Queen Rosalie Gicanda, the wife of the late King Mutara III, was arrested in a hotel in Kampala.

Jean Paul Birindabagabo was driven away in a Police van moments after arriving at Kigali International Airport last evening. (All photos by Timothy Kisambira)

In 2010, the authorities together with Interpol, arrested Augustin Nkundabazungu and extradited him to Rwanda. He was charged with committing genocide and crimes against humanity.
In the same year, Jean Pierre Kwitonda, alias Kapalata, was arrested by the Uganda police in Lukaya, Masaka District following a red notice issued by Interpol Rwanda.

 

[eliakeem]

FDLR walisema watajisikia faraja sana kama watarudishwa Rwanda wakiwa chini ya mikono salama.... yaani SA na TZ wakihusika kuwapeleka Rwanda kama wakimbizi... Maana wanajua wakienda wenyewe kivyao kwa kile kinachoitwa kujisalimisha... usalama wao utakuwa mashakani....

 

[MK254]

Very alarmist article. FDLR does not have any motive to fight. Some people will be very sad that they will be disarmed without any deaths.

This time you didn't accuse timeslive as some of kagame's PR or journalists under his payroll. I pity you guys, the train has left, the tough-headed remnants have been left at the mercy of shelling that's about to happen. Down deep in the jungle.....vultures will tell a harrowing story. The best and only option available to your ilk is voluntary disarmament and integration into civilization without conditions. Just like you've personally embedded yourself into Bongo-world.

 

[jMali]

Endelea kujifanya mbongo kama huyu fake pastor,mtaokotwa one at a time wapuuzi nyie
Uganda deports Genocide suspect




genocide suspect Jean Paul Birindabagabo, alias Pastor Daniel Bagabo, who was recently arrested in Uganda, was last evening deported to Rwanda to face genocide-related charges.


The 59-year-old suspect, who hails from the former Gisenyi, is said to have been a prominent member of the MRND party in the former Kibungo prefecture, where he resided during the 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi.

Birindabagabo disembarks from a RwandAir plane on his arrival at Kigali International Airport last evening as Police officer wait.

He is accused of planning and executing genocide in Sake, the former Kibungo prefecture (now Kirehe and Ngoma districts) where he is alleged to have directed widespread massacre of the Tutsi.
At approximately 7:30pm, RwandAir 9XR-WF commercial plane carrying Birindabagabo touched down at Kigali International Airport transporting the suspect from Uganda. After the plane landed, Birindabagabo remained on board for about 15 minutes as other passengers were alighting.

A police officer handcuffs Birindabagabo upon his arrival in the presence of Rwandan and Ugandan Immigration officials.

Minutes later, Birindabagabo, clad in an orange shirt, grey trousers and holding a black polythene bag full of his personal belongings disembarked from the plane in company of Chris Ongyera, a Ugandan immigration officer.
Ongyera handed Birindabagabo to the Rwandan Immigration officials in the presence of a couple of policemen who handcuffed him and took him to a distant room where the Ugandan and Rwandan immigration officials finalised deportation paperwork.

Jean Paul Birindabagabo is taken away by Police after being handled over by Chris Ongyera a Ugandan Immigrations Officer.

In accordance with the relevant legal provisions, the immigration authorities handed him to the designated Judicial Police Officer. Under tight guard, Birindabagabo was then led to a waiting Police detainee van.
"Rwanda National Public Prosecution Authority appreciates the efforts invested in by relevant authorities, including the Government of Uganda," said Alain Mukuralinda, the spokesperson of the prosecution.
Police Spokesperson Chief Supt. Celestin Twahirwa told journalists that after the Genocide, the suspect fled to DR Congo and later crossed to Uganda where he changed his name.

Charles Nkubito, an Immigration officer, displays the deportation paperwork upon receipt from his Ugandan counterpart Chris Ongyera.

"He was arrested after Rwanda issued a warrant of arrest for him and was put on Interpol red notice. He will be interrogated by the judicial police before being handed over to the prosecution," Twahirwa said.

Prosecution spokesperson Alain Mukuralinda speaks to reporters at KIA last evening.

Back in Kampala, the Director of Interpol in the Uganda Police, Asan Kasinge, told The New Times that the suspect was "illegally staying in Uganda disguising as a pastor and has been running a church in Buwama, Mpigi District."
Birindabagabo is said to have entered Uganda ten years ago and settled in Mpigi.

Police spokes person Celestin Twahirwa briefs the media about Birindabagabo's case after the latter's arrival at Kigali International Airport.

This is not the first time that Ugandan authorities are arresting wanted Genocide suspects. In 2009, Idelphonse Nizeyimana, one of the most wanted Genocide suspects then was arrested in Uganda and extradited to ICTR in Arusha, Tanzania. Nizeyimana, commonly referred to as the "Queen Killer" for killing Queen Rosalie Gicanda, the wife of the late King Mutara III, was arrested in a hotel in Kampala.

Jean Paul Birindabagabo was driven away in a Police van moments after arriving at Kigali International Airport last evening. (All photos by Timothy Kisambira)

In 2010, the authorities together with Interpol, arrested Augustin Nkundabazungu and extradited him to Rwanda. He was charged with committing genocide and crimes against humanity.
In the same year, Jean Pierre Kwitonda, alias Kapalata, was arrested by the Uganda police in Lukaya, Masaka District following a red notice issued by Interpol Rwanda.

once zile report za UN zikifichuliwa it would be you from marekani ya tabata.

 

[JustDoItNow]

Endelea kujifanya mbongo kama huyu fake pastor,mtaokotwa one at a time wapuuzi nyie
Uganda deports Genocide suspect




genocide suspect Jean Paul Birindabagabo, alias Pastor Daniel Bagabo, who was recently arrested in Uganda, was last evening deported to Rwanda to face genocide-related charges.


The 59-year-old suspect, who hails from the former Gisenyi, is said to have been a prominent member of the MRND party in the former Kibungo prefecture, where he resided during the 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi.
Birindabagabo disembarks from a RwandAir plane on his arrival at Kigali International Airport last evening as Police officer wait.

He is accused of planning and executing genocide in Sake, the former Kibungo prefecture (now Kirehe and Ngoma districts) where he is alleged to have directed widespread massacre of the Tutsi.
At approximately 7:30pm, RwandAir 9XR-WF commercial plane carrying Birindabagabo touched down at Kigali International Airport transporting the suspect from Uganda. After the plane landed, Birindabagabo remained on board for about 15 minutes as other passengers were alighting.
A police officer handcuffs Birindabagabo upon his arrival in the presence of Rwandan and Ugandan Immigration officials.

Minutes later, Birindabagabo, clad in an orange shirt, grey trousers and holding a black polythene bag full of his personal belongings disembarked from the plane in company of Chris Ongyera, a Ugandan immigration officer.
Ongyera handed Birindabagabo to the Rwandan Immigration officials in the presence of a couple of policemen who handcuffed him and took him to a distant room where the Ugandan and Rwandan immigration officials finalised deportation paperwork.
Jean Paul Birindabagabo is taken away by Police after being handled over by Chris Ongyera a Ugandan Immigrations Officer.

In accordance with the relevant legal provisions, the immigration authorities handed him to the designated Judicial Police Officer. Under tight guard, Birindabagabo was then led to a waiting Police detainee van.
"Rwanda National Public Prosecution Authority appreciates the efforts invested in by relevant authorities, including the Government of Uganda," said Alain Mukuralinda, the spokesperson of the prosecution.
Police Spokesperson Chief Supt. Celestin Twahirwa told journalists that after the Genocide, the suspect fled to DR Congo and later crossed to Uganda where he changed his name.
Charles Nkubito, an Immigration officer, displays the deportation paperwork upon receipt from his Ugandan counterpart Chris Ongyera.

"He was arrested after Rwanda issued a warrant of arrest for him and was put on Interpol red notice. He will be interrogated by the judicial police before being handed over to the prosecution," Twahirwa said.
Prosecution spokesperson Alain Mukuralinda speaks to reporters at KIA last evening.

Back in Kampala, the Director of Interpol in the Uganda Police, Asan Kasinge, told The New Times that the suspect was "illegally staying in Uganda disguising as a pastor and has been running a church in Buwama, Mpigi District."
Birindabagabo is said to have entered Uganda ten years ago and settled in Mpigi.
Police spokes person Celestin Twahirwa briefs the media about Birindabagabo's case after the latter's arrival at Kigali International Airport.

This is not the first time that Ugandan authorities are arresting wanted Genocide suspects. In 2009, Idelphonse Nizeyimana, one of the most wanted Genocide suspects then was arrested in Uganda and extradited to ICTR in Arusha, Tanzania. Nizeyimana, commonly referred to as the "Queen Killer" for killing Queen Rosalie Gicanda, the wife of the late King Mutara III, was arrested in a hotel in Kampala.
Jean Paul Birindabagabo was driven away in a Police van moments after arriving at Kigali International Airport last evening. (All photos by Timothy Kisambira)

In 2010, the authorities together with Interpol, arrested Augustin Nkundabazungu and extradited him to Rwanda. He was charged with committing genocide and crimes against humanity.
In the same year, Jean Pierre Kwitonda, alias Kapalata, was arrested by the Uganda police in Lukaya, Masaka District following a red notice issued by Interpol Rwanda.

Ahahahha, hawa watusi wanachekesha sana. Eti ndo hi security. ahahahahhha.
Mungu ibariki Tanzania. We are very hi in Africa.
Ndo maana mpira wetu hawauwezi. Yaani wanashika watu kwa hisia na wasiwasi tu.

 

[Koba]

once zile report za UN zikifichuliwa it would be you from marekani ya tabata.

Huko Tabata walipokuhifadhi shukuru mungu,huku tungekuchomoa haraka sana with a special unit dealing with frauds like you.

 

[jMali]

Huko Tabata walipokuhifadhi shukuru mungu,huku tungekuchomoa haraka sana with a special unit dealing with frauds like you.

i meant wewe sio mimi, mimi sikai tabata, wewe ndio unakaa tabata ila unajiona uko marekani kutokana na delusions zako.

 

[Niwemugizi]

Siku ICTR ikitenda haki yaani waliohusika na mauaji ya watu mwaka 1990 mpaka 1994 Rwanda wote wafikishwe mahakamani bila kujali x-FAR wala RPF na pia waliohusika na mauaji ya mashariki mwa DRC nao wafikishwe ICTR, am telling you tutafungua magereza mengine kama mikoa mitano maana naamini kwamba anaishinda vita ndiye anakuwa ameua zaidi

 

[Koba]

i meant wewe sio mimi, mimi sikai tabata, wewe ndio unakaa tabata ila unajiona uko marekani kutokana na delusions zako.

delusions?...i've lived in states for as long as I can remember.

 

[jMali]

delusions?...i've lived in states for as long as I can remember.

bwahahahahahaha, bwahahahhahaha.....(that laugh in thriller video by michael jackson)