Scottish independence results: NO side wins plebiscite!

[Dupe]

Kabla ya kujifunza kuhusu mtengamano inabidi kwanza tujifunze kuwasikiliza tulio ungana nao ili waamue wenyew kama kubaki au kuondoka

 

[msafwa93]

TunajifunZa kwamba wizi wa kura upo hadi Ulaya..

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

55% for NO

Kitu ina-boksi mkuu mwenzangu...sasa kem tusubiri kama Zenj nako kutakuaje...:A S wink:

 

[jerrytz]

Scotland’s has rejected independence in Friday’s referendum count, with declared local authority areas so far choosing by to stay within the U.K. by around 55%. The 307-year-strong union seems to have survived, although increased powers will be devolved to the territory.

A total of 32 local authority are being tallied up, and although the key constituency of Glasgow voted for independence, it was not by a particularly large margin, in a near-fatal blow to the Yes camp.

A final outcome is announced early Friday morning local time, but with Edinburgh voting No but a huge margin, there is little doubting victory for the Better Together campaign.

Pubs across the country were staying open throughout the night with customers both anxious and excited to see whether the 307-year-strong union would be consigned to the history books.

Greg Waddell, a doctor working in Glasgow, tells TIME that he voted Yes “because disempowerment breeds dependency; because the current extent of social inequality in Scotland demeans every one of its people.”

Others among the 4.2 million registered voters were less optimistic about prospects for going it alone. Nick Allan, an oil executive from Aberdeen, said the Yes campaign promises were enticing, but he voted No as it would be impossible to pay for them — especially not with North Sea oil.

“The problem comes down to money,” he says. “How on God’s earth are you going to be able to afford all of these improvements? The country will be bankrupt in a matter of years.”

Many questions regarding what a truly independent Scotland would look like remain unanswered, including over currency, health care, defense and E.U. membership. Spain’s Prime Minister is one of several European leaders who would not support Scotland’s application to the bloc, as the Iberian nation is unwilling to fan separatist campaigns of its own.

These fears are echoed by Professor Michael Desch, an expert on foreign policy at the Notre Dame University.

“If Scotland votes to secede, the world as we know it will change irrevocably,” he says. “Ironically, a peaceful Scottish secession from the United Kingdom could open Pandora’s Box by raising unrealistic expectations about the ease of parting long-established national ways.”

Turnout for the referendum was an unprecedented 85%

 

[sawabho]

Habari za hivi punde toka BBC,wananchi wa Uscochi wamekataa kujitenga na Muungano wa Kifalme kwa asilimia 55 dhidi ya asilimia 45 ya waliotaka kujitenga.Tanzania tunajifunza nini kuhusu muungano wetu?

Kwa waliokataa ni wale waliojiunga, yaani Scottish, tunajifunze kuwapa watu nafasi ya kutoa maoni yao kuliko kuwatolea maoni.

 

[Ambiente Guru]

Ingekuwa kwa WaZanzibari nao wangepiga kura ya "HAPANA" kuvunja muungano?

 

[Magazetini]

Matokeo ya awali ya kura ya maoni ya uhuru wa Scotland yameanza kutolewa huku wasiotaka kujitenga wakiongoza..

Tayari majimbo zaidi ya 20 yametoa matokeo huku wanataka kubaki chini ya himaya Uingereza wakiongoza kwa kupiga kura ya hapana kwa asilimia 55 dhidi 45.

Moja wapo ni Jimbo la Clackmannanshire ambalo limepiga kura ya hapana katika matokeo yaliyotolewa asubuhi hii.

CHANZO: BBC

 

[jerrytz]

Scotland has deliberately decided to stay.....

 

[Msingida]

Naamini Watanzania tuna somo la kujifunza kutokana na Muungano wa wenzetu kutokana na serikali yetu kuwa ya Muungano.Kuna changamoto nyingi ambazo zinapelekea misukosuko mingi ambayo hapa kwetu tunapaswa kuiga toka wenzetu.Wanachi waamue kwa Kura kama wanauhitaji Muungano au la

 

[aminiusiamini]

Zanzibar ni njaa zinawasumbua.wanataka kutawaliwa na mwarabu eti wanaamini neema itakuja. Sultani alikaa zenji muda gani? Aliacha nini? Muaafrica galafu changanya na udini (tena uislam) ujinga na uozo mtupu.

 

[Dupe]

aminiusiamini aliekuloga kafa?

 

[Elungata]

Ingekuwa kwa WaZanzibari nao wangepiga kura ya "HAPANA" kuvunja muungano?

No way,ukweli hata ikitokea leo wapige kura watachagua kubaki kwenye muungano.

 

[kibaa]

hawa wazungu ni watu tofauti kabisa na sisi hawa wao wanajielewa sana sisi bado hatujielewi we fikiria Wasira nae katangaza nia

 

[iparamasa]

Moderator heading haieleweki ni ONE UNITED KINGDOM SIO ONE SCOTLAND

 

[next]

Zanzibar ni njaa zinawasumbua.wanataka kutawaliwa na mwarabu eti wanaamini neema itakuja. Sultani alikaa zenji muda gani? Aliacha nini? Muaafrica galafu changanya na udini (tena uislam) ujinga na uozo mtupu.

waombe radhi wanzanzibari na waislam. hujawatendea haki kwa mchango wako.

 

[Kimbunga]

Scotland will remain part of the United Kingdom -- along with England, Wales and Northern Ireland -- following a historic referendum vote.

By 55% to 45%, a majority of voters rejected the possibility of Scotland breaking away and becoming an independent nation.

UK Prime Minister David Cameron welcomed Scotland's decision in a televised statement outside 10 Downing Street, saying it was a clear result.
Result: Scotland staying in UK

"Like millions of other people, I am delighted," he said.

Cameron said he would have been heartbroken to see the United Kingdom broken up -- but paid tribute to the efforts of both sides in the campaign.

"We hear you," he said to those who voted for independence, adding this was an opportunity to change the way people in the United Kingdom are governed, and "change it for the better."

His government has delivered on devolution in the past and will deliver on it again, Cameron said.

A "new and fair settlement" will be created for Scotland and for the other countries of the United Kingdom, he said.

Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond accepted defeat in an earlier televised statement -- and urged the rest of the pro-independence camp to do the same.

He thanked Scotland "for 1.6 million votes for Scottish independence" and said the turnout -- which electoral officials said was 84.6% from an electorate of more than 4.2 million -- was one of the highest in the democratic world for any such vote.

Sigh of relief

The final result in the referendum was 1,617,989 votes in favor of independence from the United Kingdom to 2,001,926 against.

This means the pro-union camp won by a margin of 55.25% of the vote to 44.65% -- a much wider gap than opinion polls in the final days leading up to the vote had suggested.

The result means the main political parties in Westminster -- and many people across the United Kingdom and Scotland -- can breathe a collective sigh of relief that the threat of a breakup of a centuries-old union is over. However, many on the "Yes" side will be bitterly disappointed.

The referendum was closely watched around the world, particularly in nations like Spain, whose Catalonia province is home to a vocal independence movement.

The outcome will likely please President Barack Obama, who said that while the decision was down to the Scots, it was in the interest of the United States to have the United Kingdom remain a "strong, robust, united, and an effective partner."

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen also welcomed the news that the United Kingdom, a key member of the defense bloc, would remain united.

Darling: 'Unity over division'

Salmond, who heads the governing Scottish National Party, hailed the political engagement seen in Scotland during the campaign and appealed for unity going forward.

"Today of all days, as we bring Scotland together, let us not dwell on the distance we have fallen short. Let us dwell on the distance we have traveled and have confidence that a movement is abroad in Scotland that will take this nation forward, and we shall go forward as one nation."

Salmond has previously said that if the "Yes" campaign lost the referendum there would not be another vote on independence in a generation.

Labour lawmaker Alistair Darling, who led the pro-union campaign in the Scottish referendum, hailed the result Friday but said that the message that the people of Scotland want change must be heard.

"The people of Scotland have spoken," he said."We have chosen unity over division and positive change rather than needless separation.

"Today is a momentous result for Scotland and also for the United Kingdom as a whole -- by confirming our place within the union we reaffirm all that we have in common and the bonds that tie us together. Let them never be broken."

He gave a commitment that the political changes promised by the Westminster parties -- involving the devolution of more powers to Scotland -- would be kept.

Darling also called for the country to unify after debate that "has created some fairly deep divisions in our country," and a campaign "that has both energized but at times divided" the Scottish people.

"Those divisions now need to be addressed and that requires leadership," he said, promising to play his part.

Clegg: Radical package of powers

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, whose Liberal Democrats are in a coalition government with Cameron's Conservatives, said he was "absolutely delighted" by the result.

"In a dangerous and uncertain world I have no doubt we are stronger, safer, and more prosperous together than we ever could be apart.

"But a vote against independence was clearly not a vote against change and we must now deliver on time and in full the radical package of newly devolved powers to Scotland.

"At the same time, this referendum north of the border has led to demand for constitutional reform across the United Kingdom as people south of the border also want more control and freedom in their own hands rather than power being hoarded in Westminster."

The first councils to declare all went to the "No" campaign, as did the capital, Edinburgh, which voted overwhelmingly to stay in the union with 123,927 for "Yes" and 194,628 "No" votes. Argyll and Bute and Aberdeenshire also voted "No."

Glasgow delivered a solid win for the independence camp with 194,779 votes for "Yes," and 169,347 for "No," but the lead was not big enough to overturn the "No" camp's overall majority.

Political fallout

Scotland has had a devolved government since 1999, meaning many, but not all, decisions are made at the Scottish Parliament in Holyrood, Edinburgh.

As opinion polls showed the lead held by the "no" vote shrinking fast in the days leading up to the referendum, the leaders of all three main parties in Westminster responded with the promise to give major new powers over tax, spending and social welfare to Scotland if it stuck with the United Kingdom.

Now the party leaders face the challenge of pushing those changes through a possibly rebellious Parliament on a tight timetable.

The process of handing over those new powers will start from Friday, Cameron said in a speech in Aberdeen earlier this week, with draft legislation expected as soon as January. "This is a timetable that is now agreed by all the main political parties and set in stone and I am prepared to work with all the main parties to deliver this during 2015," he said.

Although Scotland has chosen to stick with the union -- staving off potential calls for his resignation -- Cameron will still face political fallout over the vote.

Critics have accused him of complacency during the long months of campaigning when Salmond's "Yes Scotland" campaign was laying the groundwork for its late surge. Cameron's longtime Labour rival, former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, is credited by many with bringing the vital energy that eventually carried a lackluster "No" campaign to victory.

Critics have also accused Cameron and the other main party leaders of giving away too much in a last-ditch effort to keep Scottish voters on board.

It remains to be seen how the promise to give greater powers also to England, Wales and Northern Ireland will be borne out.

Cameron will also likely face difficult questions over his own leadership in the run-up to a general election due to take place next May.

Source: cnn

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/19/world/europe/scotland-independence-vote/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[CHAZA]

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[Kimbunga]

CHAZA

Mwishowe watathubutu tu manake bila huo uthubutu mambo yataendelea kuwa mabaya.

 

[white wizard]

Alikua halila kuona mgawanyiko unatokea mikononi mwake

Lakini amefanya kitu kizuri cha kuwapa nafasi ya kuamua hatima yao wenyewe.Kitu ambacho hapa kwetu hawataki hata kusikia, na cha ajabu wanasiasa wetu kuanzia leo ndio wataanza kutumia maamuzi haya kama case study juu ya muungano wetu, wakisahau kusema kuwa mbona hatutaki kuwapa wazanzibar nafasi hiyo ya kuamua juu ya muungano!! ohooo mnaona wenzenu wa Scottish wanekataa kujitenga? ni sawa lakini c wameamua wao? kuliko hapa kwetu kukalia kusema eti tutakuwa hatuwatendei haki wa asisi!!!

 

[Buldoza]

Kwetu huku wanasema serikali tatu zitavunja muungano!.... Ebo! Kumbe wanajua kwamba muungano huu sio sahihi kama ulivyo na watu hawautaki kwa hiyo wameamua kuulinda hivyo hivyo kwa kutumia serikali mbili!