"Rwanda: The Untold Story": questions for the BBC

[mchambawima1]

At least you said it openly that Tutsi, Hutus and Twas (and a handful of foreigners ) were killed in Genocide. There are people here who are questioning that fact. In order for killing to be categorized as Genocide, it has to to target one ethnic group, that is why some of us agree that it was genocide outright.

But when we try to equate Hutus to Interhamwe this is where i find it hard to understand. I equally reject the idea of equating PK to tutsis. There are people who think PK is God and is always right. I do believe that this is bad i dea.

And Murakoze be careful when you compare Nazis and jews to Hutus(interhamwe) and Tutsis. If you get the opportunity go to Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia and other countries in eastern Europe, ask ordinary people'sr views about Holocaust, you will be shocked to hear what the say. To this day i am terrified what i heard and saw. Tragedly extreme views did not come from interahamwes of Europe (skin heads and other racists), they came from ordinary people. So please do not buy what media and politicians want to have you believe, just look at the reality on the ground.

Ndio maana huwa nasema we need to get to the mind of interahamwe and ask them why did they kill people, that way we will find out how did they get the evil mind of murder and hate, and be able to teach them peace and love. This is not what i see being done by Kigali government.

Tell me if a Tutsi can marry a Hutu, or a Hutu can marry a tutsi. Tell me whether watu wanaishi kwa umoja, amani na upendo au woga, utengano na mashaka.

If you read many of my posts, you will see that my cry is on true reconciliation which in my view will result to a long lasting peace. Mtutsi/mhutu/mtwa anatakiwa aishi Rwanda kama anavyoishi kwa amani na wengine Kenya na Tanzania. Economic prosperity alone does not bring long term stability to the country, this is what authorities in Kigali need to know.

Man you are still confused and misquoting my statement,Genocide is by far different from Random killing, what I was trying to tell youis Tutsis were a targeted group but there are those who died during aliberation war; those includes Hutus, Twas & some foreigners.
I have also question for you, Nazis were all Germans, right?Does it necessarily mean all Germans were Nazis? If you have an answer to thatthen you will realize Hutus are not all Interahamwes except Jmali and hisfellows united in evil.
You went on and question if Hutus can marry Tustis and viceversa, in Rwanda we went even further, just recen,t there is one couple gotmarried and the parents of the lady were killed by the parents of the guy whomarried her, the guy said he did everything he could to get the lady as a curefor his heart and mind!
I know this is what Jmali (Joka Kuu) been using to spreadhate, but be aware of those evil my friend!
If you have any question just let me know I will answer withthe spirit of openness or come over here in Rwanda and see by your own eyes myBro.

 

[mchambawima1]

Jamaa_Mbishi

Aisee kama unaakili kweli, ukiona Jmali anakupa tano ujuesumu ishakukolea! Kama uamini nenda kanywe maziwa labda yatakusaidia alafuusometena ulivyoviandika ndio utajuwanasema nini, na kama misumu itakuwa imekujaa sana basi njoo Rwanda tutakutibu

 

[Bongolander]

mchambawima1

May be i am confused, are you trying to suggest that random killing is just and genocide is not? To me a killer is a killer, whether doing it for revenge, targeting particular group of people or doing it randomly. Kama tukitaka kumlaani muuaji tusimuangalie sura, wala tusijali yuko upande gani, Muuaji ni muuaji.

If you condone killings committed by one particular group, just because their actions fell short of being labeled genocide, you give Interhamwes a reason to argue that....they can kill and they are just, if we kill we are evil. This is dangerous game.

You talk about liberation....seriously? liberation? Liberating Rwanda from Banyarwanda? Mkuu huku Tanzania tunasema mtoto akinyea mkono hatuukati.

 

[mchambawima1]

mchambawima1

May be i am confused, are you trying to suggest that random killing is just and genocide is not? To me a killer is a killer, whether doing it for revenge, targeting particular group of people or doing it randomly. Kama tukitaka kumlaani muuaji tusimuangalie sura, wala tusijali yuko upande gani, Muuaji ni muuaji.

If you condone killings committed by one particular group, just because their actions fell short of being labeled genocide, you give Interhamwes a reason to argue that....they can kill and they are just, if we kill we are evil. This is dangerous game.

You talk about liberation....seriously? liberation? Liberating Rwanda from Banyarwanda? Mkuu huku Tanzania tunasema mtoto akinyea mkono hatuukati.

Man not just confused it seems you are becoming even more cynicalor naïve! Random killing not "just" but as a consequence of war it is possiblebut not justified under all circumstances! Do you want me to explain to youwhat a war is? It is between enemies who fight militarily and not military vscivilians like Jmali and his bunch of moron did.
Military killing civilians is a war crime and to be honest withyou, we had some indiscipline soldiers but we dealt with them accordingly, someof them were hanged in public, Jmali knows this fact!
Liberation in the case of Rwanda was to free people fromdiscrimination of all kind, bring back Rwandese refugees who were forced tolive in exile by xstrimist regime and chases out the evil like Jmali whoseuntil now still mentioning Tutsi as a group of people of who should be exterminatedin all of his comments in this forum.
Now days you will seethe "union of evil" saying they killed because their president was killed as ifit justifies the killing of innocent people and if that is the case then youshould free/reconcile with all criminals who are in prison in your country becauseall criminals had motives before committing a crime. Clear?

 

[Kwetunikwetu]

Wakuu i must be honest, i really hate this uhutu and ututsui bullsh!t. Ninasikitika sana kuona kinacoendelea humu kinaanza kufanana sana na contents za Radio Television Libre des Mille Collines. Ni bora tujadili mzizi wa tatizo ambao ni chuki za kikabila.

Facts are the ones that need to be discussed, not political gibberish. If we buy the narrative that it is only tutsis who got murdered and keep spreading it, or the narrative that all Hutus are Bagosoras and should apologize, huo utakuwa ujinga sana.

Sidhani kama kuna mtu anabisha kuwa watutsi waliuawa, we saw bodies and we have buried some on our land. But we buried hutus too.

Ni jambo la aibu sana kuendelea kuwasifia watu wenye akili kama kina Bagosora. A murderer is a murderer regardless of his looks. He can be Tanzanian, hutu or tutsi. Lets reject that ideology of murder, and the propaganda that spreads it.

CC Mukamasimba, Koba, Rushasha

Soma post yangu #129 iko straight forward

Nisichokubaliana nacho siku zote ni upotoshaji kuwa eti ni watu wa kabila moja tu ndio waliuawa, na kuwa ni watu wa kabila moja tu ndio walisababisha hayo mauaji........si kweli! Ni kwamba watutsi waliua wahutu na wahutu waliua watutsi.....and others were caught in the crossfire...!

Kama ni uhalifu wa kivita, kila kundi lina mengi ya kujibu sio one-sided propaganda.....!

 

[Kwetunikwetu]

mchambawima1

May be i am confused, are you trying to suggest that random killing is just and genocide is not? To me a killer is a killer, whether doing it for revenge, targeting particular group of people or doing it randomly. Kama tukitaka kumlaani muuaji tusimuangalie sura, wala tusijali yuko upande gani, Muuaji ni muuaji.

If you condone killings committed by one particular group, just because their actions fell short of being labeled genocide, you give Interhamwes a reason to argue that....they can kill and they are just, if we kill we are evil. This is dangerous game.

You talk about liberation....seriously? liberation? Liberating Rwanda from Banyarwanda? Mkuu huku Tanzania tunasema mtoto akinyea mkono hatuukati.

Hiyo verse hapo juu imem-cost yule mwimbaji wa Rwanda, yuko jela sasa anatuhumiwa kwa njama za kupindua serikali......! In Rwanda the official version ambayo mtu yeyote hatakiwi kuipinga inasema .."wahutu waliua watutsi, yeyote anayeuawa sasa au aliyeuawa siku zilizopita ni interahamwe, ukipata sauti kukataa mauaji, basi wewe ni muungajji mkono wa interahamwe"

 

[Koba]

Soma post yangu #129 iko straight forward

Nisichokubaliana nacho siku zote ni upotoshaji kuwa eti ni watu wa kabila moja tu ndio waliuawa, na kuwa ni watu wa kabila moja tu ndio walisababisha hayo mauaji........si kweli! Ni kwamba watutsi waliua wahutu na wahutu waliua watutsi.....and others were caught in the crossfire...!

Kama ni uhalifu wa kivita, kila kundi lina mengi ya kujibu sio one-sided propaganda.....!

Even NAZIs walikufa in thousand in their process to exterminate Jews,same to hao interahamwe wenzako same fate iliwakuta then mwehu kama wewe bila aibu unaita fate yao genocide,na ukiitwa revisionist unaita matusi,keep spinning hizo garbage zako nothing will change na mtashughulikiwa mpaka kieleweke...IT WAS GENOCIDE AGAINST TUTSI period!!

 

[Koba]

At least you said it openly that Tutsi, Hutus and Twas (and a handful of foreigners ) were killed in Genocide. There are people here who are questioning that fact. In order for killing to be categorized as Genocide, it has to to target one ethnic group, that is why some of us agree that it was genocide outright.

But when we try to equate Hutus to Interhamwe this is where i find it hard to understand. I equally reject the idea of equating PK to tutsis. There are people who think PK is God and is always right. I do believe that this is bad i dea.

And Murakoze be careful when you compare Nazis and jews to Hutus(interhamwe) and Tutsis. If you get the opportunity go to Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia and other countries in eastern Europe, ask ordinary people'sr views about Holocaust, you will be shocked to hear what the say. To this day i am terrified what i heard and saw. Tragedly extreme views did not come from interahamwes of Europe (skin heads and other racists), they came from ordinary people. So please do not buy what media and politicians want to have you believe, just look at the reality on the ground.

Ndio maana huwa nasema we need to get to the mind of interahamwe and ask them why did they kill people, that way we will find out how did they get the evil mind of murder and hate, and be able to teach them peace and love. This is not what i see being done by Kigali government.

Tell me if a Tutsi can marry a Hutu, or a Hutu can marry a tutsi. Tell me whether watu wanaishi kwa umoja, amani na upendo au woga, utengano na mashaka.

If you read many of my posts, you will see that my cry is on true reconciliation which in my view will result to a long lasting peace. Mtutsi/mhutu/mtwa anatakiwa aishi Rwanda kama anavyoishi kwa amani na wengine Kenya na Tanzania. Economic prosperity alone does not bring long term stability to the country, this is what authorities in Kigali need to know.

There's good reasons why Rwanda is getting better,secure,peaceful and stronger everyday so acha kutupotezea muda na hizo fantasy zako ,ila kama umeamua to join ridiculousness za kina Jmali more power to you

 

[Bongolander]

There's good reasons why Rwanda is getting better,secure,peaceful and stronger everyday so acha kutupotezea muda na hizo fantasy zako ,ila kama umeamua to join ridiculousness za kina Jmali more power to you

That is very myopic view, i do believe what i see as fact, not because of who say what. You sit there visiting Golden coral day in day out, with your keyboard instilling same fear and madness that Bagosora did and hope that i will buy that? Do you really think or believe that Rwanda is Prosperous, secure and better? Kalagabaho.

 

[Bongolander]

Hiyo verse hapo juu imem-cost yule mwimbaji wa Rwanda, yuko jela sasa anatuhumiwa kwa njama za kupindua serikali......! In Rwanda the official version ambayo mtu yeyote hatakiwi kuipinga inasema .."wahutu waliua watutsi, yeyote anayeuawa sasa au aliyeuawa siku zilizopita ni interahamwe, ukipata sauti kukataa mauaji, basi wewe ni muungajji mkono wa interahamwe"

Mkuu sipendi kuwafanya wenzetu wa Rwanda kuzungumzia hili. Lakini kwa sisi watanzania, au kwa watanzania wenzetu wenye asili ya Rwanda bila kujali ni kabila gani, ni upuuzi kukubaliana na propaganda za kijinga. Sisi huku Tanzania tunasema wazi kuwa fisadi ni fisadi tu, bila kujali yeye ni CCM au mpinzani. Nadhani hata muuaji ni muuaji tu bila kujali yeye ni mchagam msukuma, mmatumbi au mwislamu au mkristo.

Ninachoona ni kuwa baadhi yetu tunaanza kukanusha kuwa si kweli watusi waliawa kitu ambacho wote tunajua ni uongo, na wengine wanasema yalikuwa ni mauaji ya watutsi wahutu hawakuuawa, wengine hawataji kabisa kuwa watwa na wageni waliuawa.

Hatua waliyopo Rwanda kwa sasa ni kama ile ya zidumu fikra safi za mwenyekiti na mkewe...zidumuuuuu. Hata kama wengine wanajua kuwa zilikuwa fikra mbaya. Ukikosoa tu unasweka ndani. We have been there guys so i understand what they are going through.

Baadhi ya watu naona kama wanakuja kutoa lecture za kijinga hapa kuwa Rwanda is peaceful, prosperous, secure country, wakati ukiangalia kwa urahisi tu the country is instilled with fear, tena wakati mwingine unaona kabisa Rais wao anawachimbwa mkwara kuwa wakimpinga watauawa. Wengine hata hawaoni kuwa success that people of Rwanda has worked so hard to achieve is in tatters, wanadhani Kagame ataishi milele.

 

[Jamaa_Mbishi]

Jamaa_Mbishi

Aisee kama unaakili kweli, ukiona Jmali anakupa tano ujuesumu ishakukolea! Kama uamini nenda kanywe maziwa labda yatakusaidia alafuusometena ulivyoviandika ndio utajuwanasema nini, na kama misumu itakuwa imekujaa sana basi njoo Rwanda tutakutibu

Nitakuja tena Bw. Kagame.

 

[Talkandtalk]

At least you said it openly that Tutsi, Hutus and Twas (and a handful of foreigners ) were killed in Genocide. There are people here who are questioning that fact. In order for killing to be categorized as Genocide, it has to to target one ethnic group, that is why some of us agree that it was genocide outright.

But when we try to (1)equate Hutus to Interhamwe this is where i find it hard to understand. I equally reject the idea of (2)equating PK to tutsis. There are people who think PK is God and is always right. I do believe that this is bad i dea.

And Murakoze be careful when you compare Nazis and jews to Hutus(interhamwe) and Tutsis. If you get the opportunity go to Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia and other countries in eastern Europe, ask ordinary people'sr views about Holocaust, you will be shocked to hear what the say. To this day i am terrified what i heard and saw. Tragedly extreme views did not come from interahamwes of Europe (skin heads and other racists), they came from ordinary people. So please do not buy what media and politicians want to have you believe, just look at the reality on the ground.

Ndio maana huwa nasema (3)we need to get to the mind of interahamwe and ask them why did they kill people, that way we will find out how did they get the evil mind of murder and hate, and be able to teach them peace and love. This is not what i see being done by Kigali government.

4)Tell me if a Tutsi can marry a Hutu, or a Hutu can marry a tutsi. Tell me whether watu wanaishi kwa umoja, amani na upendo au woga, utengano na mashaka.

If you read many of my posts, you will see that my cry is on true reconciliation which in my view will result to a long lasting peace. Mtutsi/mhutu/mtwa anatakiwa aishi Rwanda kama anavyoishi kwa amani na wengine Kenya na Tanzania. Economic prosperity alone does not bring long term stability to the country, this is what authorities in Kigali need to know.

Tatizo wengi habari wanazipata mitandaoni tu,na hawapati ukweli halisi wa Rwanda ya leo, kuna baadhi ya point nime outline and i want to talk about them;
1) Currently ethnic tension in Rwanda is not as it is portrayed by some members here.
Infact it is not even easier to detect who is Hutu and who is Tutsi, the physical appearances does not apply to all.Kuna Wahutu wenye Sura ya Watutsi vilevile kuna wa Tutsi wenye sura ya Wa Hutu.
Serikali iliondoa kabila kwenye ID intentionally.
Meanwhile i also support you it is not appropriate to equate all Hutus to Interahamwe, lakini kama wapo wenye mawazo hayo nadhani ni wachache,watu tunajali maslahi na haijalishi maslahi utayapata wapi nanikatika njia hizo tunapata marafiki, ndio maana kama mimi mtu wangu wa karibu ambaye tunasaidiana kwa kila jamboa na anayejua siri zangu ni Mhutu.Ethnic difference is not a deal nahaya nimambo yamepitwa na wakati only primitive societies will practice that.Kama naweza kuelewana na mzungu kwanini nishindwe kuelewana na jirani yangu?
Hii yote iliyotokea Rwanda was as the result of poor government(uongozi mbaya);other wise yote yasingetokea issue sijui ufalme,sijui kutunguliwa ndege similar cases have happened in different countries lakini hatukushuhudia mauaji.
2.Equating PK to Tutsis:
My friend we have been debating with many Tanzanians here who shows great hate to our President, lakini we continue to recognise them as Tanzanians.
The difference between these people and Interahamwe with in this forum ni hii issue uliyoweka;
Wao(Interahamwe) wanatafuta any negative stories to Kagame and his government, then they equate it to all Tutsis.
Utashangaa kama mtu anaanzisha thread eti Uraia wa Watutsi, imagine for what is he putting that thread??Ukiangalia kwenye thread zote alizoanzisha yeye anaonyesha ubaya wa Tutsi wote in general.
Utakuta jamaa kaanza anakataa Genocide baada ya kuanza kushtukiwa ndio anabadili kauli, thats what many are opposing here.
3.Labda nikukumbushe tu kuwa raia wakawaida walioparticipate in the Genocide wakakubali makosa na kuomba msamaha wote walisamehewa BBC NEWS | Africa | Rwanda frees genocide prisoners nadhani hii ilikuwa ishara nzuri upande wa serikali, tatizo kitendo kama hiki watu hata hawakiongelei, it is rare kumuachilia muuaji just for the sake of reconciliation.
Waliobaki ni wale waliokataa makosa yet kuna evidence juu ya uhuska wao.
4.Kuhusu A Hutu to marry a Tutsi and Vice versa, siwezi kuku laumu you are an innocent Tanzanian, who depends on informations from jMali and his company.
This is common in Rwanda,it is not even an issue any Rwandese living in Rwanda atakuthibitishia hili.
5.Kuhusu watu kuishi kwa amani,etc; sijui ni kigezo gani kinaweza kutumiwa kujua ukweli,au nikigezo gani kinachotumiwa kukataa kwamba raia wa Rwanda hawaishi kwa amani.
I have been visiting all of the Eastafrican countries lakini sioni tofauti yoyote ya mahusiano kati ya jamii za nchi hizi.
Ukienda kwenye harusi utawakuta wote, ukienda kwenye kilio makabila yote utayakuta so i dont understand the base of that argument that people are living in fear.

 

[Bongolander]

Tatizo wengi habari wanazipata mitandaoni tu,na hawapati ukweli halisi wa Rwanda ya leo, kuna baadhi ya point nime outline and i want to talk about them;
1) Currently ethnic tension in Rwanda is not as it is portrayed by some members here.
Infact it is not even easier to detect who is Hutu and who is Tutsi, the physical appearances does not apply to all.Kuna Wahutu wenye Sura ya Watutsi vilevile kuna wa Tutsi wenye sura ya Wa Hutu.
Serikali iliondoa kabila kwenye ID intentionally.
Meanwhile i also support you it is not appropriate to equate all Hutus to Interahamwe, lakini kama wapo wenye mawazo hayo nadhani ni wachache,watu tunajali maslahi na haijalishi maslahi utayapata wapi nanikatika njia hizo tunapata marafiki, ndio maana kama mimi mtu wangu wa karibu ambaye tunasaidiana kwa kila jamboa na anayejua siri zangu ni Mhutu.Ethnic difference is not a deal nahaya nimambo yamepitwa na wakati only primitive societies will practice that.Kama naweza kuelewana na mzungu kwanini nishindwe kuelewana na jirani yangu?
Hii yote iliyotokea Rwanda was as the result of poor government(uongozi mbaya);other wise yote yasingetokea issue sijui ufalme,sijui kutunguliwa ndege similar cases have happened in different countries lakini hatukushuhudia mauaji.
2.Equating PK to Tutsis:
My friend we have been debating with many Tanzanians here who shows great hate to our President, lakini we continue to recognise them as Tanzanians.
The difference between these people and Interahamwe with in this forum ni hii issue uliyoweka;
Wao(Interahamwe) wanatafuta any negative stories to Kagame and his government, then they equate it to all Tutsis.
Utashangaa kama mtu anaanzisha thread eti Uraia wa Watutsi, imagine for what is he putting that thread??Ukiangalia kwenye thread zote alizoanzisha yeye anaonyesha ubaya wa Tutsi wote in general.
Utakuta jamaa kaanza anakataa Genocide baada ya kuanza kushtukiwa ndio anabadili kauli, thats what many are opposing here.
3.Labda nikukumbushe tu kuwa raia wakawaida walioparticipate in the Genocide wakakubali makosa na kuomba msamaha wote walisamehewa BBC NEWS | Africa | Rwanda frees genocide prisoners nadhani hii ilikuwa ishara nzuri upande wa serikali, tatizo kitendo kama hiki watu hata hawakiongelei, it is rare kumuachilia muuaji just for the sake of reconciliation.
Waliobaki ni wale waliokataa makosa yet kuna evidence juu ya uhuska wao.
4.Kuhusu A Hutu to marry a Tutsi and Vice versa, siwezi kuku laumu you are an innocent Tanzanian, who depends on informations from jMali and his company.
This is common in Rwanda,it is not even an issue any Rwandese living in Rwanda atakuthibitishia hili.
5.Kuhusu watu kuishi kwa amani,etc; sijui ni kigezo gani kinaweza kutumiwa kujua ukweli,au nikigezo gani kinachotumiwa kukataa kwamba raia wa Rwanda hawaishi kwa amani.
I have been visiting all of the Eastafrican countries lakini sioni tofauti yoyote ya mahusiano kati ya jamii za nchi hizi.
Ukienda kwenye harusi utawakuta wote, ukienda kwenye kilio makabila yote utayakuta so i dont understand the base of that argument that people are living in fear.

Mkuu nakupata vizuri sana. I feel happy to hear some sense. Honestly i have never been to Rwanda, most of what i know is second hand, and unfortunately some of those who claim to have first hand info, have tendencies like those of extremists.

I think you should not be disturbed with some of we Tanzanians hating your president. If you visit JF you will find out that there is no shortage of similar thing towards our president, so that should not mean it is something personal against PK.

 

[Kwetunikwetu]

Tatizo wengi habari wanazipata mitandaoni tu,na hawapati ukweli halisi wa Rwanda ya leo, kuna baadhi ya point nime outline and i want to talk about them;
1) Currently ethnic tension in Rwanda is not as it is portrayed by some members here.
Infact it is not even easier to detect who is Hutu and who is Tutsi, the physical appearances does not apply to all.Kuna Wahutu wenye Sura ya Watutsi vilevile kuna wa Tutsi wenye sura ya Wa Hutu.
Serikali iliondoa kabila kwenye ID intentionally.
Meanwhile i also support you it is not appropriate to equate all Hutus to Interahamwe, lakini kama wapo wenye mawazo hayo nadhani ni wachache,watu tunajali maslahi na haijalishi maslahi utayapata wapi nanikatika njia hizo tunapata marafiki, ndio maana kama mimi mtu wangu wa karibu ambaye tunasaidiana kwa kila jamboa na anayejua siri zangu ni Mhutu.Ethnic difference is not a deal nahaya nimambo yamepitwa na wakati only primitive societies will practice that.Kama naweza kuelewana na mzungu kwanini nishindwe kuelewana na jirani yangu?
Hii yote iliyotokea Rwanda was as the result of poor government(uongozi mbaya);other wise yote yasingetokea issue sijui ufalme,sijui kutunguliwa ndege similar cases have happened in different countries lakini hatukushuhudia mauaji.
2.Equating PK to Tutsis:
My friend we have been debating with many Tanzanians here who shows great hate to our President, lakini we continue to recognise them as Tanzanians.
The difference between these people and Interahamwe with in this forum ni hii issue uliyoweka;
Wao(Interahamwe) wanatafuta any negative stories to Kagame and his government, then they equate it to all Tutsis.
Utashangaa kama mtu anaanzisha thread eti Uraia wa Watutsi, imagine for what is he putting that thread??Ukiangalia kwenye thread zote alizoanzisha yeye anaonyesha ubaya wa Tutsi wote in general.
Utakuta jamaa kaanza anakataa Genocide baada ya kuanza kushtukiwa ndio anabadili kauli, thats what many are opposing here.
3.Labda nikukumbushe tu kuwa raia wakawaida walioparticipate in the Genocide wakakubali makosa na kuomba msamaha wote walisamehewa BBC NEWS | Africa | Rwanda frees genocide prisoners nadhani hii ilikuwa ishara nzuri upande wa serikali, tatizo kitendo kama hiki watu hata hawakiongelei, it is rare kumuachilia muuaji just for the sake of reconciliation.
Waliobaki ni wale waliokataa makosa yet kuna evidence juu ya uhuska wao.
4.Kuhusu A Hutu to marry a Tutsi and Vice versa, siwezi kuku laumu you are an innocent Tanzanian, who depends on informations from jMali and his company.
This is common in Rwanda,it is not even an issue any Rwandese living in Rwanda atakuthibitishia hili.
5.Kuhusu watu kuishi kwa amani,etc; sijui ni kigezo gani kinaweza kutumiwa kujua ukweli,au nikigezo gani kinachotumiwa kukataa kwamba raia wa Rwanda hawaishi kwa amani.
I have been visiting all of the Eastafrican countries lakini sioni tofauti yoyote ya mahusiano kati ya jamii za nchi hizi.
Ukienda kwenye harusi utawakuta wote, ukienda kwenye kilio makabila yote utayakuta so i dont understand the base of that argument that people are living in fear.

After a long talk....at last tumerudi kwenye square one....! Kuacha ushabiki na kusimamia ukweli.....at least uliopo kwenye public domain......!

Sometimes watu wengine kwa kukosa hoja au kutokufahamu ukweli na uhalisia wanalazimisha kwa matusi.......!
Je, tukae kimya na kukubali mtu akituambia Rwanda iko South America..? Hapana lazima tukatae sio kweli......! Lakini hiyo haimaanishi kuwa kukataa kwangu Rwanda haiko South America, maanake sio kuwa Rwanda iko Ulaya...hiyo pia ni upotoshaji...! Kwa hivyo binafsi nimepinga uongo na upotoshaji......muongo akiona unampinga analeta upotoshaji....!

Last month nilikuwa western Rwanda kuna mradi tunafanya kule vijijini.......wakati tunaongea na wananchi niliomba anayejua kiswahili ajitokeze ili awatafsirie wengine (off course ilikuwa nikitumia kiingereza halafu mwenyeji wangu anawatafsiria kwa kinyarwanda).........nilifurahi kuona jinsi idadi kubwa walivyonyoosha mkono kila mtu anataka nafasi hiyo......! Baada ya mkusanyiko ule kila mmoja alitamani tuendelee kuongea zaidi......wengi wao wakinisimulia sehemu mbalimbali za Tanzania walizofika enzi hizo....! Itoshe kusema kuwa kwenye ukweli tuseme ukweli tuache propaganda....sio kila mtu anaifahamu Rwanda kijuu juu tu la hasha....!

 

[murutongore]

Mkuu nakupata vizuri sana. I feel happy to hear some sense. Honestly i have never been to Rwanda, most of what i know is second hand, and unfortunately some of those who claim to have first hand info, have tendencies like those of extremists.

I think you should not be disturbed with some of we Tanzanians hating your president. If you visit JF you will find out that there is no shortage of similar thing towards our president, so that should not mean it is something personal against PK.

jMali not being one of them coz he is NOT.

 

[murutongore]

After a long talk....at last tumerudi kwenye square one....! Kuacha ushabiki na kusimamia ukweli.....at least uliopo kwenye public domain......!

Sometimes watu wengine kwa kukosa hoja au kutokufahamu ukweli na uhalisia wanalazimisha kwa matusi.......!
Je, tukae kimya na kukubali mtu akituambia Rwanda iko South America..? Hapana lazima tukatae sio kweli......! Lakini hiyo haimaanishi kuwa kukataa kwangu Rwanda haiko South America, maanake sio kuwa Rwanda iko Ulaya...hiyo pia ni upotoshaji...! Kwa hivyo binafsi nimepinga uongo na upotoshaji......muongo akiona unampinga analeta upotoshaji....!

Last month nilikuwa western Rwanda kuna mradi tunafanya kule vijijini.......wakati tunaongea na wananchi niliomba anayejua kiswahili ajitokeze ili awatafsirie wengine (off course ilikuwa nikitumia kiingereza halafu mwenyeji wangu anawatafsiria kwa kinyarwanda).........nilifurahi kuona jinsi idadi kubwa walivyonyoosha mkono kila mtu anataka nafasi hiyo......! Baada ya mkusanyiko ule kila mmoja alitamani tuendelee kuongea zaidi......wengi wao wakinisimulia sehemu mbalimbali za Tanzania walizofika enzi hizo....! Itoshe kusema kuwa kwenye ukweli tuseme ukweli tuache propaganda....sio kila mtu anaifahamu Rwanda kijuu juu tu la hasha....!

Umeongea nini sasa hapo? Just because you went to one of the villages does not mean you know Rwanda? Please tao upuuzi wako hapa. Weka pumba zako hapa tuzichambue sio kuleta story zisizokuwa na mshiko.

 

[mchambawima1]

Umeongea nini sasa hapo? Just because you went to one of the villages does not mean you know Rwanda? Please tao upuuzi wako hapa. Weka pumba zako hapa tuzichambue sio kuleta story zisizokuwa na mshiko.

Mkuu Murutongore, unapumzi za kufa mtu! Hao majamaannawaangalia tu vitu wanavyo andika nakubaki nikicheka yaani kuna watu wenginewako kama mikia ya mbuzi, haisitili ------ wala haifukuzi nzi yaani wapowapotu, lakini kwa kumsadia kumalizia unafiki wake, inaonyesha majibu aliyo yapatahuko alikokwenda yalimsaidia kujua kwa nini Rwanda inaongoza duniani katikamambo karibu yote! Lol
Msifikiri nimeondoka, bado nipo tu nachungana na sumu zaoalafu niwawahi kuziwatapikisha na ninakuhakikishia mpaka nyongo ziwatoke safariasiyetaka karibu sana kwetu na misumu yao ndio watajua kilichomtoa nyokapangoni

 

[Kwetunikwetu]

Umeongea nini sasa hapo? Just because you went to one of the villages does not mean you know Rwanda? Please tao upuuzi wako hapa. Weka pumba zako hapa tuzichambue sio kuleta story zisizokuwa na mshiko.

Unajidanganya.....at least this was not meant for you

 

[mchambawima1]

Unajidanganya.....at least this was not meant for you

I understand… it is meant for the "union of evil" lol, to justify their obvious evil talking points

 

[murutongore]

Unajidanganya.....at least this was not meant for you

Pumba unazoweka hapa is meant for all. Na ndipo tunapoona how shallow your knowledge is. Yaani mimi niende kutembelea the Great Wall of China halafu nijiite mtaalamu wa masuala ya Wachina. Huna tofauti na jMali. Eti na yeye aliwahi kufungua kampuni Rwanda sijui akashindwa kupata tenda akaona badala ya kuendelea kupambana kwenye soko huria, ni bora afanye juu chini amuondoe raisi wetu. Inaingia akilini kweli mtu kama jMali "mtanzania" YEAH RIGHT, awe na chuki binafsi hivi just because he never got any work in Rwanda? The Great Thinkers nadhani are getting my drift.