Robert Mugabe just shouted "We are not gays" in his UN speech

[ALPHACAM]

Wanamuona fa.la tu.

Lakini ujumbe umefika ukitaka chukua hutaki utajijuwa lakini ukweli umefika

 

[Bufa]

Kuwaiba akili waafrica Kazi rahisi sana. Mugabe nchi imemshinda wananchi hali ngumu ila akipinga mashoga tu watu wote wanamsifia.

Hakuna mtu analazamishwa kuwa shoga huyu mzee atulie aache kelele

 

[Triplets]

Unajuwa Zimbabwe wana hali gani kwa sasa wewe? Kuna mambo anafanya ya kipuuzi huyu mzee akidhani anawakomoa wazungu. Hakuna mtu aliyemlazimisha aruhusu mapenzi ya jinsi moja nchini kwake ( japo wanafanya) kujifanya unawadindia wazunngu wakati hapo hapo unaomba wakufungulie uchumi maana wananchi wanapata tabu.huu mimi nauita ufa.la. Mugabe hanaga pointi ya maana ya kuongea zaidi ya kueneza chuki na ubaguzi dhidi ya watu weupe.

Zimbabwe hali yao si nzuri lakini ni bora kulinganisha na sisi tunaopita na bakuli letu la ombaomba...wanatuzidi kwa uchumi bora, GDP per capital yao ni kubwa kuliko sisi...

 

[Interest]

Are you emotional? Attack the point fella
Do you think is Mugabe right? when he used a phrase of "new rights"
There is nothing like new rights when people are claiming for equal treatment and respect as the conviction of human dignity presupposes. Is that a new right?
Equal treatment under the law is about justice and human rights.

Son, we can't sit and pretend that we want to respect other peoples 'values' which can lead to destruction than building.. It has been proven beyond the reasonable doubts (scientifically) that Homosexuality is an option/habit and not a natural bio. So granting these 'rights' is perpetuating this dirtiness... How does it feel for man to man to bed?

Same sex has never been positive! We need to treat the sicks, not letting them enjoy their conditions because they will vanish and infect others!

Am sorry if am denying you 'a right to be considered'!

 

[MATHIAS KABYEMERA]

I like this old president; he always stands for what he believes.

 

[david mwiniko]

Good Mugabe is a real African president and man who is firm

 

[MALCOM LUMUMBA]

"Any unjust law is no law" Law is a domain in a large domain of morality. If you have a positivism account of law,that is where we disagree. I believe law is always embedded with morality.

In Africa we have use the third generation of human rights; That is the group rights.
What doesn't benefit the society at BY and LARGE cannot be a human right.

I think I asked whether you meant that culture is something static?

Nothing is Static young man.
What you fail to understand is that Culture is RELATIVE and NOT UNIVERSAL.
With the exception of basic rights such as right to life, property , and speech; Any other could be collateral.

Of course I meant culture and my question was why are you saying that human rights cannot trump culture?

Human rights cannot trump culture because they are the components of culture.
Africa speaks of UBUNTU as a HUMAN RIGHT, PHILOSOPHY AND CULTURE.


SASA FYI: Hata hao naturalists unaowasoma walitofautiana.
Ronald Dworkin Spoke of Justice under the Prism of Human Rights.
He wrote his work called Taking Rights seriously,..and it is in this BOOK where we get the phrase Rights Trump.

On the other hand Naturalists like Jean Jacques Rousseau Spoke about Rights and The General Will in his theory of Social Contract....He said one person's right cannot go against the General Will of the whole society. And this theory finds favour in most African legal Practice. Kwa kukusaidia soma kesi ya DPP V Daudi PETE utajua kwanini mahakama hata ilimnyima mtu asipiate dhamana japo it was in violation of constitutional provision.

Sasa turuhusu Ushoga tuharibu social dynamics the Africa????

Hakuna thumb rule definition ya Justice in Jurisprudence ndugu yangu.
Jeremy Bentham speaks of Justice in the context of Utilitarianism theory...That justice is what maximizes the Pleasure and Happiness of the people in the society.

Sasa Ushoga una Maximize Happiness kwenye Society yetu????

Tena bwana mdogo Justice can exist in the economic analysis of law. This is another theory of justice. Judge Richard Posner maintains that Justice must strive to maximize economic welfare.

Sasa wewe ushoga kama ni haki ya binadamu unasidiaje ku-maximize economic welfare???

Haya theory ya mwisho ya justice ambayo ninyi unayoizungumzia ni Justice as Fairness.
Huyu ni bwana John Rawls....kasema na yeye Rights Trumps kama Ronald Dworkin.

Justice is determined by the judges with their Personal Intuitions, how can it be fair???

Sasa if there is fairness in the courts of law, Why some other judges Dissent in their Opinions???
Au kama kuna fairness why do people Appeal???

Even judges vote when deciding the case; hiyo fairness itapatikanaje wewe???

You have made a very wrong observation about me kiddo; I'm neither Naturalist nor Positivist.

I'm a realist, i define law according to Dictates of the Society and not anything else.

Huo Ushoga utakuja pale jamii itakapotaka na siyo vinginevyo,....Utamaduni hauruhusu na hauko Subjective.


LEARN TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN LAW IN BOOKS AND LAW IN ACTION...
USIKARIRI ZINDUKA WEWE.

 

[descarte]

Son, we can't sit and pretend that we want to respect other peoples 'values' which can lead to destruction than building.. It has been proven beyond the reasonable doubts (scientifically) that Homosexuality is an option/habit and not a natural bio. So granting these 'rights' is perpetuating this dirtiness... How does it feel for man to man to bed?

Same sex has never been positive! We need to treat the sicks, not letting them enjoy their conditions because they will vanish and infect others!

Am sorry if am denying you 'a right to be considered'!

Of course you don't deny my right but we should fight for the rights of other people and that is my stand on this issue. You should know that however much you homosexuals. They too are human beings as I and you. Here, the GOLDEN RULE is invoked: Do to others what you would like them to do unto you. Never discriminate people because of who they are or whom they love.
We can't just be indifferent in this because it is against our norms and traditions.
Come on man, you don't judge people's way of living based on your feelings. Let homosexuals live their life.
Whether it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt or not,Government has no authority to interfere with private life of their citizens. In fact,for your information scientists disagree fiercely on that matter so I don't know which research are you talking about.
Homesexuality isn't a sickness so I don't know, what do you want to treat?

 

[MALCOM LUMUMBA]

Of course you don't deny my right but we should fight for the rights of other people and that is my stand on this issue. You should know that however much you homosexuals. They too are human beings as I and you

.
This is your opinion brother, and you are entitled to it.

Here, the GOLDEN RULE is invoked: Do to others what you would like them to do unto you. Never discriminate people because of who they are or whom they love.

Is the bible a legal authority??

We can't just be indifferent in this because it is against our norms and traditions.
Come on man, you don't judge people's way of living based on your feelings. Let homosexuals live their life.

Your arguments are very paradoxical; truly sometimes i fail to grasp what you really stand for.
You are using the Golden Rule from the book of St.Mathew to justify the life of Debauchery.
Isn't it in the same bible that gave the Golden Rule says in 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

Kwanini huna coherence mzee???

 

[descarte]

In Africa we have use the third generation of human rights; That is the group rights.
What doesn't benefit the society at BY and LARGE cannot be a human right.


Nothing is Static young man.
What you fail to understand is that Culture is RELATIVE and NOT UNIVERSAL.
With the exception of basic rights such as right to life, property , and speech; Any other could be collateral.



Human rights cannot trump culture because they are the components of culture.
Africa speaks of UBUNTU as a HUMAN RIGHT, PHILOSOPHY AND CULTURE.


SASA FYI: Hata hao naturalists unaowasoma walitofautiana.
Ronald Dworkin Spoke of Justice under the Prism of Human Rights.
He wrote his work called Taking Rights seriously,..and it is in this BOOK were we get the phrase Rights Trump.

On the other hand Naturalists like Jean Jacques Rousseau Spoke about Rights and The General Will in his theory of Social Contract....He said one person's right cannot go against the General Will of the whole society. And this theory finds favour in most African legal Practice. Kwa kukusaidia soma kesi ya DPP V Daudi PETE utajua kwanini mahakama hata ilimnyima mtu asipiate dhamana japo it was in violation of constitutional provision.

Sasa turuhusu Ushoga tuharibu social dynamics the Africa????

Hakuna thumb rule definition ya Justice in Jurisprudence ndugu yangu.
Jeremy Bentham speaks of Justice in the context of Utilitarianism theory...That justice is what maximizes the Pleasure and Happiness of the people in the society.

Sasa Ushoga una Maximize Happiness kwenye Society yetu????

Tena bwana mdogo Justice can exist in the economic analysis of law. This is another theory of justice. Judge Richard Posner maintains that Justice must strive to maximize economic welfare.

Sasa wewe ushoga kama ni haki ya binadamu unasidiaje ku-maximize economic welfare???

Haya theory ya mwisho ya justice ambayo ninyi unayoizungumzia ni Justice as Fairness.
Huyu ni bwana John Rawls....kasema na yeye Rights Trumps kama Ronald Dworkin.

Justice is determined by the judges with their Personal Intuitions, how can it be fair???

Sasa if there is fairness in the courts of law, Why some other judges Dissent in their Opinions???
Au kama kuna fairness why do people Appeal???

Even judges vote when deciding the case; hiyo fairness itapatikanaje wewe???

You have made a very wrong observation about me kiddo; I'm neither Naturalist nor Positivist.

I'm a realist, i define law according to Dictates of the Society and not anything else.

Huo Ushoga utakuja pale jamii itakapotaka na siyo vinginevyo,....Utamaduni hauruhusu na hauko Subjective.


LEARN TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN LAW IN BOOKS AND LAW IN ACTION...
USIKARIRI ZINDUKA WEWE.

"In Africa we have use the third generation of human rights; That is the group rights"
If this is true then I totally disagree too because it is inconsistent with the powerful idea of "INDIVIDUALITY" that group cannot exist if they are no individuals. Individuals should exist first for the community or group to exist. Of course, this is not to denounce the importance of the community rather an individual is always first before community.
I have a problem with your explanation of human rights based on group. The notion that everyman is born free and equal, reflect the individuality, I am talking about.
"What doesn't benefit the society at BY and LARGE cannot be a human right."
Also this is constistent with some rights which we affirmed as inalienable rights or the conviction of intrinsic value.
"Inexception of basic rights such as right to life, property , and speech"
What is underlying principle of such rights? If in Africa human rights are interms of group's benefit?I would like to see your consistency on that claim.
Human rights cannot trump culture because they are the components of culture.
"Africa speaks of UBUNTU as a HUMAN RIGHT, PHILOSOPHY AND CULTURE."
You said"Culture is relative"
By also here i would like to see your coherence whether human rights are universal or Relatively to a given culture. If it is relative your argument is self refuting. If you agree they are universal then you must accept that human righs are derived from some principles which I believe they are not bounded by culture. They are universally applied to all societies no matter which culture you are. Again, this is not to deny some controversy on some of human rights like free of speech.
"Sasa turuhusu Ushoga tuharibu social dynamics the Africa???" In fact this claim of yours is vague, because you cannot be sure wheter there will be no social dynamics.It cannot hold water.
Any way, I can go further and claim that government lacks legitimacy on criminalizing homosexual because it is a matter of individual responsibility. This claim is so solid you cannot just take for granted. Here I bring in the issue of legitimacy and government is legitimate when treats its cizitens with equal respect and concern keep in mind the two dimension of human dignity I mentioned before.
"Sasa Ushoga una Maximize Happiness kwenye Society yetu????"
In fact I don't subscribe to utilitarian theory of justice which aim to maximize happiness for the greatest number of people in the community. This concept fall short under the concept of justice as fairness. Just because majority will be happy when we end your life, should we do that to you? Is it fair?
Any that is old theory of utilitarian, It has been reshaped by Peter Singer,you can read more about that and in fact Peter Singer advocates for homosexuality so you will find his arguments very interesting. So those are new utilitarian theories not that of Jeremy Bentham
Haaaaaah
You better read well Ronald Dworkin especially his book of Law's Empire. He explained very well how the judge Hercules decides cases with his superhuman skills.
In addition, if you are realist I recommend you to read an argument of H.L.A.Hart against Devlin

 

[descarte]

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This is your opinion brother, and you are entitled to it.

Is the bible a legal authority??

Your arguments are very paradoxical; truly sometimes i fail to grasp what you really stand for.
You are using the Golden Rule from the book of St.Mathew to justify the life of Debauchery.
Isn't it in the same bible that gave the Golden Rule says in 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

Kwanini huna coherence mzee???

I never appealed to the bible I just use that principle.
Where did I use The Bible as the authority
In fact I am not a believer but that principle of golden rule appeals to reason not just faith.It is reasonable I do not see any incoherence. You have misunderstood me,thats all

 

[cabhatica]

Huwa najiuliza, kama wanaume wataoa wanaume na wanawake wakaoa wanawake baada ya nusu-karne dunia itakuwaje? Sipati picha.

Maana kuanzia shule za awali hadi vyuo vikuu kutakuwa hakuna wanafunzi. Wafanyakazi wote watakuwa wamestaafu kazi na wengi wao kutangulia mbele za haki.

Au ndiyo mwisho wa dunia tunaoambiwa kila uchao?

 

[msemakweli]

He is an embarrasment to Africa!

 

[Lole Gwakisa]

Are you emotional? Attack the point fella
Do you think is Mugabe right? when he used a phrase of "new rights"
There is nothing like new rights when people are claiming for equal treatment and respect as the conviction of human dignity presupposes. Is that a new right?
Equal treatment under the law is about justice and human rights.

Don't dilly dally on the issue of poofs, queers and gays.
Stand up to be counted as men who are abhored by this uncultured and totally senseless ass loving(and marrying) of fellow men

 

[descarte]

Don't dilly dally on the issue of poofs, queers and gays.
Stand up to be counted as men who are abhored by this uncultured and totally senseless ass loving(and marrying) of fellow men

Stark Nonsense.
So what is you point in connection with what we are arguing?

 

[Punjab Singh]

I realy admire this man he is genuine. And his command of English super so there should be no misconception of what he meant to say! He also got integrity.

 

[Iconoclastes]

I realy admire this man he is genuine. And his command of English super so there should be no misconception of what he meant to say! He also got integrity.

Integrity? Are u kidding or what?

 

[Interest]

Of course you don't deny my right but we should fight for the rights of other people and that is my stand on this issue. You should know that however much you homosexuals. They too are human beings as I and you. Here, the GOLDEN RULE is invoked: Do to others what you would like them to do unto you. Never discriminate people because of who they are or whom they love.
We can't just be indifferent in this because it is against our norms and traditions.

Come on man, you don't judge people's way of living based on your feelings. Let homosexuals live their life. Whether it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt or not,Government has no authority to interfere with private life of their citizens. In fact,for your information scientists disagree fiercely on that matter so I don't know which research are you talking about. Homesexuality isn't a sickness so I don't know, what do you want to treat?

Dah! The problem is bigger than I was thinking.. Brother, are u serious that it's okay to let these citizens live their life just because it's the way they chose?! Where do u see this world is in a century ahead?

 

[descarte]

Dah! The problem is bigger than I was thinking.. Brother, are u serious that it's okay to let these citizens live their life just because it's the way they chose?! Where do u see this world is in a century ahead?

Haaaaaaaaah It is okay indeed,this is what Liberty recommends,we should tolerate such behavior in order to preserve liberty and our democratic values.
Let them live their life
Let them feel that they are also human beings
Let them be free
Let them live a kind of life they wanna live
Personally I do not understand why they shouldn't be allowed.

 

[bnhai]

Gays have no place in our African culture. Whites people is a cursed generation

This is blatant discrimination. We are all human. I meant the second sentence. For the first one.... whether it is discrimination or otherwise I leave for others to comment. It is not an issue of skin colour.