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Plans to have the Pope arrested when he visits the UK will succeed.

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by Sonara, Apr 18, 2010.

  1. Sonara

    Sonara JF-Expert Member

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    Pope 'has no UK arrest immunity'

    Sunday, April 11 05:59 pm
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    Plans to have the Pope arrested when he visits the UK will succeed because he is not a head of state, a solicitor has said.

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    Atheist authors Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens proposed the action against the Pontiff for his handling of child abuse scandals in the Catholic church.
    The writers' solicitor Mark Stephens said applications will be made to courts in the UK and the International Criminal Court for a warrant for Pope Benedict XVI's arrest.
    His likely defence would be be that he is immune from prosecution during his visit to Britain in September, according to the lawyer.
    Mr Stephens said: "The courts will examine the claim of immunity. I believe that an English court would reject it. If the Pope was here on a state visit, ordinarily a head of state would have sovereign immunity. What I believe is that because he's not a sovereign, not a head of state, he's not entitled to the defence."
    He said that the Vatican was declared to be a state by Benito Mussolini, but this had no standing in international law.
    The Pope faced criticism after it emerged that he signed a letter which delayed the punishment of a paedophile priest in the US for the "good of the universal church".
    Writing in 1985, the future Pontiff said that he needed more time to consider the case.
    Mr Stephens, who has represented abuse victims in the past said: "This will require the Pope to deal with the way in which he appears to have prioritised the reputation of the Catholic church over the welfare of children."
    Potential charges against the Pope would be crimes against humanity.
     
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    Chupaku JF-Expert Member

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    Kaazi kweli kweli......na hawa mapadri jamani wamezidi, aaahhh
     
  3. Katavi

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    Yetu macho na masikio.
     
  4. Amoeba

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    kwani pope ana kesi gani ya kujibu? kama anayo akamatwe!
     
  5. Sonara

    Sonara JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu lugha inakupiga chenga au inakupa tabu kidogo au umepoteza miwani yako ?By the way waingilishi wanamsubiri
     
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    Sa kumbe hata hujui kesi inayomkabili, how come unasema akamatwe?
    Haitawezekana kitokee kitu kama hicho..wataishia kuota jambo hilo tu!
     
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    Magezi JF-Expert Member

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    pope hawezi kukamatwa sana sana wataishia kumwambia aombe radhi na hilo kaisha fanya.
     
  8. Sonara

    Sonara JF-Expert Member

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    Hizo ndio fikira zenu za Kiafrika zinavyokwambieni kuwa hawezi kukamatwa angalia sheria za huko zinasema nini ?
     
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    hakuna kiongozi anaelindwa kama huyu jamaa,
    hakuna kiongozi anaefanyiwa mapkezi makubwa kuliko huyu jamaa
    hakuna mtu anaeweza kumarest huyu jamaa
     
  10. Waberoya

    Waberoya JF-Expert Member

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    Hamna aliyetoa sababu za Pope kutoweza kukamatwa!

    Pope ni kiongozi wa nchi.period!
     
  11. Gaijin

    Gaijin JF-Expert Member

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    kisheria pope si kiongozi wa nchi .......vatican kisheria sio country.
    but still hawawezi kumkamata ..
     
  12. Spear

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    The Vatican was declared to be a state by Benito Mussolini, but this had no standing in international law
     
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    Let us examine these eight criteria in regard to the Vatican City, a tiny (the smallest in the world) country located entirely within the city of Rome, Italy. The Vatican City is the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, with over one billion adherents worldwide.

    1. Has space or territory that has internationally recognized boundaries (boundary disputes are OK).

    Yes, the Vatican City’s boundaries are undisputed even though the country is located entirely within the city of Rome.

    2. Has people who live there on an ongoing basis.

    Yes, the Vatican City is home to approximately 920 full-time residents who maintain passports from their home country and diplomatic passports from the Vatican. Thus, it is as though the entire country is composed of diplomats.
    In addition to the over 900 residents, approximately 3000 people work at the Vatican City and commute into the country from the greater Rome metropolitan area.

    3. Has economic activity and an organized economy. A country regulates foreign and domestic trade and issues money.

    Somewhat. The Vatican relies on the sale of postage stamps and tourist mementos, fees for admission to museums, fees from admissions to museums, and the sale of publications as governmental revenue. The Vatican City issues its own coins.
    There is not much foreign trade but there is significant foreign investment by the Catholic Church.

    4. Has the power of social engineering, such as education.

    Sure, although there aren’t a lot of kids there!

    5. Has a transportation system for moving goods and people.

    There are no highways, railroads, or airports. The Vatican City is the smallest country in the world. It only has streets within the city, which is 70% of the size of the Mall in Washington D.C.
    As a landlocked country surrounded by Rome, the country relies on the Italian infrastructure for access to the Vatican City.

    6. Has a government that provides public services and police power.

    Electricity, telephones, and other utilities are provided by Italy.
    The internal police power of the Vatican City is the Swiss Guards Corps (Corpo della Guardia Svizzera). External defense of the Vatican City against foreign enemies is the responsibility of Italy.

    7. Has sovereignty. No other State should have power over the country's territory.

    Indeed, and amazingly enough, the Vatican City does have sovereignty.

    8. Has external recognition. A country has been "voted into the club" by other countries.

    Yes! It is the Holy See which maintains international relations; the term "Holy See" refers to the composite of the authority, jurisdiction, and sovereignty vested in the Pope and his advisers to direct the worldwide Roman Catholic Church.
    Created in 1929 to provide a territorial identity for the Holy See in Rome, the State of the Vatican City is a recognized national territory under international law.
    The Holy See maintains formal diplomatic relations with 174 nations and 68 of these countries maintain permanent resident diplomatic missions accredited to the Holy See in Rome. Most embassies are outside of the Vatican City and are Rome. The other countries have missions located outside Italy with dual accreditation. The Holy See maintains 106 permanent diplomatic missions to nation-states around the world.
    The Vatican City/Holy See is not a member of the United Nations. They are an observer. Thus, the Vatican City does meet all eight criteria for independent country status so we should consider it as an independent State

    Hivi mnataka sababu gani nyingine? Papa akikamatwa uingereza wataweza kuvunja uhusiano na nchi nyingi sana duniani.

    Kama kiongozi wa dini anaweza kukamatwa na tumeona wengine wengi, kwa papa ni tofauti I insist power aliyonayo hata kama haitakuwa nchi kama Tanzania, ana nguvu iliyokaa ki-kiongozi wa serikali zaidi kuliko wa dini, na kwa sababu hii hawawezi kumkatama

    Kusema tu hawawezi kumkatama halafu hamtoi sababu ni ugali zaidi na ushabiki au kutokutaka kuamini kinachoweza kutokea! Unless mtu akija na makarabrasha hapa kuwa ukiwa kiongozi wa wakatoliki haukamatwi!

    Reference: Matt Rosenberg: The Vatican City is a Country
     
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    Why the pope can't be tried

    Abuse cases are not automatically crimes against humanity, argues a lecturer in law
     
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    Regia Mtema R I P

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    Washindwe kwa jina la YESU KRISTO
     
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    Best ni nchi tu na ndo maana ina mabalozi katika nchi nyingi wanaotambulika kiserikali huko bongo si yupo Chenoth kama sikosei. Na majuzi tu kuna Padre mmoja RUGAMBWA ameteiliwa kuwa balozi wa papa na askofu mkuu. Leo nimeon kwenye mtandao kuna sherehe kwao kule Bk. Katika umoja wa mataifa kuna balozi pia wa vatikani. mara nyingi wanaitwa mabalozi wa papa!
     
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    Nani washindwe ? Wanao mlaumu kiongozi wakanisa au kiongozi huyo kwa kuficha zambi za viongozi wenzake?
     
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    Babuyao JF-Expert Member

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    Kumu-arrest Pope?! Hizo ni ndoto za mchana kweupe pee! Si rahisi hivo! Haya, ngoja tusubiri kwani Septemba si mbali
     
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