Nyerere hakung'atuka

Kama ingekuwa mtu hawezi kujibu hoja zetu, mbona tunasoma historia? Watu wanaogopa kujadili ukweli ila wanapenda kuuliza swali kwamba CCM imefanya nini na kusahau karibu nusu ya umri wa CCM ni Nyerere
 
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By Ann Talbot
15 November 2000

Nyerere's defenders see the early years after independence as a golden age and exempt him from blame for the social catastrophe that has followed, but in reality his policies have led to the present situation. His so-called African socialism was always dependent on the aid that Western governments were prepared to give to prevent a social revolution in Africa.
Nyerere was able to use the Cold War to extract more concessions from the West than they would otherwise have been prepared to grant, but he remained loyal to the Western camp. That was why, despite his socialist rhetoric, he became a favourite of Robert McNamara when he was President of the World Bank—who directed large amounts of aid to Tanzania.
When this policy changed in the 1980s and aid was cut neither Nyerere nor any other elements in the CCM had any alternative policy but to go along with Western demands since their entire political outlook had always been one of accepting Africa's subordination to Western political policies and economic domination.
While Western aid produced some benefits for the mass of the population, Nyerere's limited welfare schemes were always fundamentally a system of patronage, which ensured political and economic benefits for a small elite. Deprived of these benefits, Tanzanian politicians are attempting to preserve their privileged position by carving out for themselves enclaves in which they will control the resources that Western investors want.
For the mass of the population of Tanzania the future is not in a return to Nyerere's African socialism which was always a false prospect. Nor does not it lie with any of the self-interested cliques that have emerged from Nyerere's CCM, but in developing an independent socialist perspective which unites workers and the impoverished masses of the Africa for the overthrow of imperialist domination. The resources of this vast continent must be taken out of the hands of the banks and transnational corporations and developed in the interests of the whole population

Na alikuwa 100% right




Na alikuwa 100% right
 
'' Nyerere's limited welfare schemes were always fundamentally a system of patronage, which ensured political and economic benefits for a small elite.''
What a lie..
Hivi watu nchi hii watakuwa tayari wameshasahau elimu ,afya na huduma zingine alizotoa Nyerere..tena bure. Halafu huyu mwanamama mwenye imperialist mentality anasema ''which ensured political and economic benefits for a small elite'' ..kweli ?. Waulize akina Makongoro walisoma shule gani.
Nasema kizazi hiki cha dotcom mjihadhari sana na ''imperialist brainwashing''.Mnachotwa akili taratibu na kulishwa chuki dhidi ya watu waliotutoa utumwani.Na mlaaniwe mnaoabudu maandiko ya mabeberu waliotuachia misingi ya uchumi wa kitumwa.
 
Mbona Mkwere nchi ilimshinda na hakung'atuka? Mpeni heshima yake mzee wa watu. Kwani umeambiwa huko Zimbabwe au Uganda wananachi wake wanaishi paradiso mpaka wawe na marais ving'ang'anizi? Kama nchi ilikuwa na hali mbaya kiasi hicho, Mwinyi aliwezaje kuiendesha? Kung'atuka kwa Nyerere ni suala la misingi tu, usipotoshe.
 
Sijaelewa point yako hapa nini sasa? Kwanza kwa taarifa yako NENO kung'atuka hakulitamka wakati anaachia URAIS, neno hilo alilitamka wakati anaachia uwenyekiti wa ccm mwaka 1987! Usichanganye madesa.[/Q UOTE]
Unao ushahidi kuwa 1987?
 
naona unapiga tu porojo, unaposema "nyerere alileta umoja, kwamba leo unaweza kutoka songea ukenda kuishi tabora bila ya kubuguziwa" ivi kabla ya nyerere ilikua huwezi kufanya hivo? unataka kutuaminisha kwamba kulikua na uhasama kati ya mkoa na mkoa au kabila na kabila yeye akaja kuyapatanisha? tuambie basi ni mkoa gani na mkoa gani au kabila gani na kabila gani aliyakuta na uhasama yeye akawa sababu ya kuyapatanisha.
 

Inategemea definition ya 'uhasama' ni ipi. Hivi wewe unadhani huko Kenya mtu wa Ujaluoni anaweza akatoka tu akaenda Ukikuyuni akaishi kwa amani na kwa raha? Tatizo la vijana wa siku hizi wengi hamjui historia. Usione Vyaelea, vimeundwa. Nyerere alikuwa ni habari nyingine. Alikuwa ni mtu safi, asiye na tama wala makuu. Of course kama binadamu alikuwa na mapungufu yake, lakini kwa ujumla wake Nyerere alikuwa ni thinker, a great leader and a great person.
 
naona umeshindwa kunijibu, badala yake umeendelea kumpamba na kumsifia bila ushahidi wowote, cc vijana wa leo hatujui historia ww unaejua na uliezaliwa wakati wa nyerere tuambie kabla ya nyerere nchi kulikua hakuna umoja? ni jamii zipi nchi hii zilikua na kutokuelewana nyerere akaja kuzipatanisha na kuziunganisha?
kama hakuna ndo yaleyale propaganda za kumsafisha ili aonekane mtukufu
 
Thanks, siwezi kuendelea tena I will be just wasting my time. Nashukuru tu kwamba hukutoa au kuvurumisha matusi, kwa hilo nakushukuru.
 
Thanks, siwezi kuendelea tena I will be just wasting my time. Nashukuru tu kwamba hukutoa au kuvurumisha matusi, kwa hilo nakushukuru.
hahaha matusi ya nn mjomba hapa ni hoja tu, mmezoea kudanganya watu na kuaminisha yasiyokuwepo, kwa vjna wa leo mtaumbuka, nakutakia mchana mwema
 
Hakuwa malaika alikuwa binadamu ila ukihesabu mazuri yake ni mengi kuliko kasoro ndogo ndogo za kiubinadamu.
 
hahaha matusi ya nn mjomba hapa ni hoja tu, mmezoea kudanganya watu na kuaminisha yasiyokuwepo, kwa vjna wa leo mtaumbuka, nakutakia mchana mwema
Nashukuru kwa hoja yako lakini siyo kweli kuwa 'tumezoea kudanganya' na 'kuwaaminisha watu'. Hiyo siyo kweli hata kidogo. Udanganye watu au kuwaaminisha kwa faida ipi. kama vijana wa siku hizi hamtaki kuelewa wa historia ya nchi yenu sasa watu wafanyaje? Nakueleza kuwa zamani makabila yalikuwa almost kila kabila na 'lwake' nyinyi hamtaki kuelewa. Tukikueleza kuwa Nyerere aliona tatizo la mfumo wa elimu kuwa mbovu ambapo shule nyingi zilikuwa ni za kikristo na akaamua kuzitaifisha kwa lengo kuwa watu wote kwa dini zote wapate elimu, nyie hamtaki kuelewa. tunawaambia kuwa baadhi ya mikoa ilikuwa nyuma mno kimaendeleo (Kama Ruvuma, Kigoma na kadhalika) ambako makabila ya huko kama waha, wapangwa, wangoni, walikuwa wakisombwa na kupelekwa kwenye mashamba ya katani kama manamba, nyie hamtaki kuelewa. Tunawaeleza kuwa nyerere alijenga misingi ya usawa, nyie mnasema propaganda. Tunawaeleza kuwa Nyerere alipambana kuondoa udini, ukanda na ukabila, nyie mnasema tunadanganya na kwamba tumezoea kuaaminisha watu. Now what should we do, to tell you people, to educate you and to convince you?
 
muache mzee wa watu apumzike kwa aman, contribution yake katika hii nchi wewe na babu zako hamjaweza changia na hamwezi fikia hata kidogo kwa hicho kidogo alichokitoa kwa tanzania, nyerere alikua na uwezo wakukaa madarakani kama, Mugabe, museven na hamna mtu angemfanya kitu
hebu muache apumzike kama tulivyo muacha mzee wako apumzike in peace, angalia wewe kama wewe utaa Add value gani katika hii nchi.
 

Nationalizations transformed the government into the largest employer in the country. It was involved from everything from retailing to import-export trade and even baking, creating an environment ripe for corruption. Cumbersome bureaucratic procedures multiplied and excessive tax rates were set. Public funds were misappropriated and put to unproductive use. Purchasing power declined at an unprecedented rate and even essential commodities became unavailable. A system of permits (vibali) allowed elite officials to collect huge bribes in exchange for the vibali and foundation for systemic corruption had been laid. Hope you will understand why she was right or you can live in denial at rest of your life
 
''A system of permits (vibali) allowed elite officials to collect huge bribes in exchange for the vibali and foundation for systemic corruption had been laid...''
Did Nyerere sanction or condone all this vice ? I remember he condemned corruption all his life. So don't try to misconstrue his belief,principles,ideas and what he stood for.If you are knowledgeable enough..all economies pass through crises the world over ...and as a young inexperienced leader he had a very ''steep learning curve'' to scale up... The fact that he stood and fought to try and make this nation great is undeniable.
 
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Ndo maana nasema hivi, wanaomlaumu MWALIMU wajilaumu wao kwanza, alifanya yake kwa uwezo aliojaaliwa na Manani na amepumzika kwa amani na Mungu ailaze roho yake mahali pema peponi, Amina.
 
Tulipata uhuru
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Hapa naona pumba tu hakuna hata mantiki kumuongelea Nyerere ambaye hayupo lakini akili yako na ya bibi yako mkizichanganya kwa pamoja hamuwezi kumfikia Nyerere yeye hayupo lakini maneno yake yanaishi
Hayo ya makampuni ya UMMA yalianza kufa wakati wa Nyerere. Kudanganya watu kuwa Nyerere aliyafanya yakawa imara si kweli. Unakumbuka mabasi ya kamata yalikuwa katika hali gani wakati wa Nyerere. Nyerere alijiaminisha kuwa nchi itaendesha na kila kitu kutoka serikalini. Ukitaka kusafiri ilikuwa lazima utoe rushwa ndio upate ticket. Unasubiri mwezi kusafiri. Treni inajaa vibaya mno kwa sababu hakukuwa na usafiri mbadala. Viwanda vya nguo vikawafanya watu watembee na viraka. Hakuna mali ghafi. Sukari ni shida. Akakusanya watu eti vijijini vya ujamaa. Uzalishaji ukapungua. Kupororomoka kwa uchumi kulichochewa na vita vile. Uchumi tayari ulikuwa mbovu.
 

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