Nduli Idd Amin Dada or an African Hero.

[Koba]

Amin alikuwa jangiri tuu,hata waganda wenyewe watakuambia na wala sio propaganda za Nyerere,ukimsikiliza anavyoongea utajua tuu ni mwendawazimu na hajui lolote zaidi ya ubabe tuu,Africa haihitaji viongozi kama Amin na nyerere did the right thing kumnyuka huyu jamaa la sivyo leo humu wote mngekuwa mnaongea kiganda,lakini obote naye alikuwa mshenzi mwingine tuu,nasikia baada ya Amin kulikuwa na coup kama nane mpaka Museveni alivyoingia,Museveni ana ushenzi wake lakini bila yeye Uganda leo ingekuwa kama somalia tuu.

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

Nyerere was the one who started silent invasion . What iddi amin did, was retaliation.

The west hated amin because of his friendship with palestines against jews

Thats not the whole truth ndugu
Here is a little recap just to refresh our memories:
By the time of his overthrow in April 1979, the government of President Idi Amin was believed to have been responsible for the murder of "at least 100,000 and possibly as many as half a million people." His eight-year regime was marked from the very beginning by repression and brutality. In the early period, the victims were primarily soldiers from the Acholi and Langi ethnic groups because they were assumed to be in favour of the reestablishment of the government of Milton Obote, whom Amin had overthrown in the January 1971 coup d'état. A number of massacres of Acholi and Langi occurred between 1971 and 1973, but in the ensuing years the lack of discipline of the army and other armed agents of the regime was such that by 1977 the violence "had become almost random." As AI was later to report, "the absence of restraint on killings of political opponents and criminal suspects led to many other civilians being seized and killed by members of the security forces for criminal motives or simply quite arbitrarily." In April 1978, Amin publicly denounced his own vice president and minister of defence, army chief-of-staff, and chief of police. Then, at the end of September and early in October, Amin was forced to suppress mutinies at a number of army bases. Loyal troops pursued some of the mutineering soldiers across the border into Tanzania. Some days later, Amin announced on Ugandan radio that Uganda was annexing the Kagera region of northwest Tanzania. President Julius Nyerere of Tanzania responded by declaring that Uganda's purported annexation of Tanzanian territory was "tantamount to an act of war."
Tanzania began a counterattack in mid-November. By early December, it had pushed the Ugandan forces back across the border into Uganda. In a number of public statements, Amin referred to a "Phase Two" of his operation to annex the Kagera region; and in mid-December Ugandan troops invaded Tanzania a second time. That attack was repulsed, but Ugandan forces once again attacked in January. Nyerere was later to claim that, at this point, a decision was made to pursue the Ugandan forces well into Uganda, back to the army bases at Masaka and Mbarra, and to destroy those bases but that no decision had been made to penetrate further into Uganda.
The rapid advance of the invading Tanzanian troops and Ugandan rebel forces alarmed Amin to the point where, on February 23, he called on "friendly countries in Africa, the Third World, Arabs, socialist countries and the PLO" for support. In an effort to prop up the regime, Libya's Colonel Muammar Ghaddafi sent Libyan troops to Uganda. In early March, the Nairobi Times reported that approximately 2,500 Libyan troops had arrived in Uganda. On March 13, Amin publicly announced that Palestinian forces had also joined the struggle on his side. Amin's use of foreign troops convinced Nyerere that Tanzania would not enjoy security unless Amin himself was overthrown. Tanzanian forces were ordered to penetrate deeper into Uganda. Kampala, the capital, fell on April 10, and Amin fled into exile, first to Libya and ultimately to Saudi Arabia.

 

[Kiranga]

Zawadi,

Recently I watched the film called "The last King of Scotland" in this film there are plus and minus about reality of Idd Amin.

"The Last King of Scotland" is a fictionalized account of Amin's administration and friendship with a Scottish expatriate, it is not a factual account, and if this is what you base your analysis and understanding of Amin on, then you are doomed from the start. I have watched this movie as well as reading real life accounts such as Archbishop Janani Luwum's "Nampenda Idi Amin" and watching documentaries such as "General Idi Amin". You don't get facts by watching fictionalized accounts such as "The Last King of Scotland", you get facts by reading real life accounts and watching actual footage of the Amin administration in documentaries such as "General Idi Amin"

 

[Taso]

Thats not the whole truth ndugu
Here is a little recap just to refresh our memories:
By the time of his overthrow in April 1979, the government of President Idi Amin was believed to have been responsible for the murder of "at least 100,000 and possibly as many as half a million people." His eight-year regime was marked from the very beginning by repression and brutality. In the early period, the victims were primarily soldiers from the Acholi and Langi ethnic groups because they were assumed to be in favour of the reestablishment of the government of Milton Obote, whom Amin had overthrown in the January 1971 coup d'état. A number of massacres of Acholi and Langi occurred between 1971 and 1973, but in the ensuing years the lack of discipline of the army and other armed agents of the regime was such that by 1977 the violence "had become almost random." As AI was later to report, "the absence of restraint on killings of political opponents and criminal suspects led to many other civilians being seized and killed by members of the security forces for criminal motives or simply quite arbitrarily." In April 1978, Amin publicly denounced his own vice president and minister of defence, army chief-of-staff, and chief of police. Then, at the end of September and early in October, Amin was forced to suppress mutinies at a number of army bases. Loyal troops pursued some of the mutineering soldiers across the border into Tanzania. Some days later, Amin announced on Ugandan radio that Uganda was annexing the Kagera region of northwest Tanzania. President Julius Nyerere of Tanzania responded by declaring that Uganda's purported annexation of Tanzanian territory was "tantamount to an act of war."
Tanzania began a counterattack in mid-November. By early December, it had pushed the Ugandan forces back across the border into Uganda. In a number of public statements, Amin referred to a "Phase Two" of his operation to annex the Kagera region; and in mid-December Ugandan troops invaded Tanzania a second time. That attack was repulsed, but Ugandan forces once again attacked in January. Nyerere was later to claim that, at this point, a decision was made to pursue the Ugandan forces well into Uganda, back to the army bases at Masaka and Mbarra, and to destroy those bases but that no decision had been made to penetrate further into Uganda.
The rapid advance of the invading Tanzanian troops and Ugandan rebel forces alarmed Amin to the point where, on February 23, he called on "friendly countries in Africa, the Third World, Arabs, socialist countries and the PLO" for support. In an effort to prop up the regime, Libya's Colonel Muammar Ghaddafi sent Libyan troops to Uganda. In early March, the Nairobi Times reported that approximately 2,500 Libyan troops had arrived in Uganda. On March 13, Amin publicly announced that Palestinian forces had also joined the struggle on his side. Amin's use of foreign troops convinced Nyerere that Tanzania would not enjoy security unless Amin himself was overthrown. Tanzanian forces were ordered to penetrate deeper into Uganda. Kampala, the capital, fell on April 10, and Amin fled into exile, first to Libya and ultimately to Saudi Arabia.

plagiarist

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

Dada, Tatizo lako ni udini. Hapa wamtetea dictator nduli Iddi Amini kwa vile tu alikuwa mwislamu mwenzako na chuki zake kwa Israel kama zilivyo kwa Waislamu wote duniani. Otherwise huwezi kuwa dictator na mwuuaji wa watu wasio na hatia halafu ukaitwa hero, labda kwa waislamu tu ambao kwao kuua ni kitu cha thamani kwa "mungu" wao.

I totally agree with you ndugu. You will note that the OAU discussed the Tanzanian intervention on three separate occasions — the February and July meetings of the Council of Ministers, and then the July meeting of the Heads of State and Government — but with no condemnation of the Tanzanian action. Four front-line states (Angola, Botswana, Mozambique, and Zambia) argued that Tanzania had legitimately used force in self-defence. Only African states with substantial Muslim populations were prepared to offer some support to Uganda's interpretation of events. Libya, Nigeria, and Sudan did not accept the Tanzanian claim of self-defence and accused the government of aggression.

 

[Taso]

I totally agree with you ndugu. You will note that the OAU discussed the Tanzanian intervention on three separate occasions - the February and July meetings of the Council of Ministers, and then the July meeting of the Heads of State and Government - but with no condemnation of the Tanzanian action. Four front-line states (Angola, Botswana, Mozambique, and Zambia) argued that Tanzania had legitimately used force in self-defence. Only African states with substantial Muslim populations were prepared to offer some support to Uganda's interpretation of events. Libya, Nigeria, and Sudan did not accept the Tanzanian claim of self-defence and accused the government of aggression.

more plagiarism

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

plagiarist

Where is your contribution? ...

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

more plagiarism

so what!! Is isnt it a worthwhile piece of reading for the likes of you who may not have a clue as to what is being discussed?

 

[Taso]

Where is your contribution? ...

calling out the runaway plagiarism

where is yours?

 

[Kiranga]

so what!! Is isnt it a worthwhile piece of reading for the likes of you who may not have a clue as to what is being discussed?

I am afraid plagiarism is plagiarism, and any self respecting individual caught in it would apologize fastly, and not display another disgraceful habit of adding insult to injury by topping blatant plagiarism with a blatant indifferent "so what?"

Least of all from a self proclaimed "WomanOfSubstance". Where exactly is the "Substance" here ?

We need a "Cultural Adjustment Programme" to check such attitudes.

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

calling out the runaway plagiarism

where is yours?

At least I read...(THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT: RESEARCH, BIBLIOGRAPHY, BACKGROUND
Supplementary Volume to the Report of the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty by Thomas G. Weiss and Don Hubert)...
YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE NEEDING SPOONFEEDING AND THATS WHAT I HAVE DONE HERE LOL)

 

[Kiranga]

At least I read...(THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT: RESEARCH, BIBLIOGRAPHY, BACKGROUND
Supplementary Volume to the Report of the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty by Thomas G. Weiss and Don Hubert)...
YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE NEEDING SPOONFEEDING AND THATS WHAT I HAVE DONE HERE LOL)

The point Taso is making is that you did not acknowledge your source, and we uphold high standards here at JF, so saying "at least..." is insulting, you are giving us your very least, we don't roll like that. If you do so, do so at your own peril.

Like risking being called out for plagiarism. And where is the humility? Umeshikwa kwa kuiba kazi za watu "at least" (to borrow your standards) kubali na uombe radhi, muungwana ni vitendo, wewe hata kukubali kwamba unaiba kazi za watu na kuzi present kama zako inakuwa tabu.

Si vizuri hivyo.

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

The point Taso is making is that you did not acknowledge your source, and we uphold high standards here at JF, so saying "at least..." is insulting, you are giving us your very least, we don't roll like that. If you do so, do so at your own peril.

Like risking being called out for plagiarism. And where is the humility? Umeshikwa kwa kuiba kazi za watu "at least" (to borrow your standards) kubali na uombe radhi, muungwana ni vitendo, wewe hata kukubali kwamba unaiba kazi za watu na kuzi present kama zako inakuwa tabu.

Si vizuri hivyo.

I have not purported anywhere to be the author and anybody could easily find who the author was. If this has caused an offense I have acknowledged the source.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

I have not purported anywhere to be the author and anybody could easily find who the author was. If this has caused an offense I have acknowledged the source.

Well.. I got you.. that settles it. Usiumie ndio mitandao ilivyo.. na wenyewe wanasema "kukumbushana".

 

[Taso]

The point Taso is making is that ....

Hahhaahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

What's is it, a literal clinic? Had to take it that slow? Kiranga, imagine that, and we ain't talking bout some join-date-yesterday blowhard blockhead, this is WomanOfSubstance THE, getting colloquial like that!

 

[The Quonquerer]

Kiongozi mwenye mapenzi na nchi yake angeua 500,000 ya raia wake, wengi wao wasio na hatia ?

Unajua Idi Amin aliua watu kutoka katika kila nyanja ya maisha ya watu wa Uganda? Kuanzia jeshini, makanisani mpaka vilema? Huyu ndiye kiongozi anayepend nchi yake huyu ?

Jamani, mambo mengine yako wazi zaidi. Hili la kumtetea Amin haliingii akilini, kumlinganisha na Nyerere ni wehu zaidi, mmoja anafikiriwa kupewa utakatifu (observe the word kufikiriwa) mwingine aliua watu wake kwa malaki, hapo wapi na wapi! Hapa naamini kuna 'vested interesest', ambayo naamini sasa kwamba ni udini kama mjumbe mmoja alivyotaja. Hivi kutetea maovu ya mtu wa dini yako ambaye alishakufa kunasaidia nini kiimani (ya mhusika) na maendeleo ya mwanadamu. Hii inanikumbusha dala dala fulani hapa mjini zenye ile alama ya Hitler, mwanzoni nilikuwa sielewi, kumbe wanaiweka kwa kuwa Hitler aliua wayahudi wengi, yaani wanamtukuza..haisaidii, ni mwendelezo wa chuki na mara nyingi inakula kwa wanaoianzisha. Amini was more of a problem to Ugandans that Tanzanians after all. Ndiyo maana mpaka Waganda walio wengi wanashukuru kwa WaTZ na Nyerere kwa kile kichapo, akiwemo Museveni Rais wao!

 

[Zawadi Ngoda]

..matatizo ya Mwalimu na Amin yalianza na Tanzania kumpa hifadhi Obote na wapinzani wengine wa Amin.

..pia Tanzania ili-sponsor jaribio la kumuondoa kijeshi Amin. Jaribio hilo lilishindwa na kusababisha vifo vya waasi wa Uganda na uharibifu wa mali za Tanzania. kwa mfano: kuna ndege ya ATC ambayo ilikuwa itue "kijajusi" Entebe ikiwa na makomando wa Kiganda, ndege hiyo ilitua vibaya kilimanjaro na ikawa ndiyo mwisho wake.

..baada ya tukio hilo yalifanyika mazungumzo ya amani kati ya Tanzania na Uganda yaliyokuwa sponsored na SOMALIA. mazungumzo hayo yalizaa mkataba wa amani ulioitwa Mogadishu accord. pamoja na madai mengine Uganda ilijaribu kuilazimisha Tanzania isiwape hifadhi ya kisiasa kwa Waganda.

..Mzee Cigwiyemisi John Malecela, waziri wa mambo ya nje wa wakati huo, alikataa na kumuonya waziri mwenzake wa Uganda kwamba awe makini kwasababu siku moja inawezekana na yeye akawa mkimbizi wa kisiasa. Haikupita muda mrefu aliyotabiri Malecela yakatokea, waziri wa mambo ya nje wa Uganda went into exile!!

..makubaliano ya amani ya Mogadishu yalielekeza kwamba Tanzania haitatoa mafunzo au msaada wa kijeshi kwa wakimbizi wa kiganda walioko nchini. sasa hiyo ndiyo ikapelekea Museveni na wenzake kwenda kuchukua mafunzo yao kwenye makambi ya Frelimo.

..toka wakati huo, which i think was btn 1972 to 1974 hakukuwa na matukio yoyote yale ya kijeshi baina ya Uganda na Tanzania. Hali ilibadilika ghafla mwaka 1978 ambapo Amini alivamia eneo la Kagera, akaua watu na kuharibu mali, na kuitangazia dunia kwamba eneo hilo ni la Uganda.

..Nyerere aliweka condition kwamba Uganda wa-denounce their claims to Tanzanian territory na walipe fidia kwa uharibifu uliotokea. Amini alikataa, na OAU chini ya raisi Jafar Nimeiri wa Sudan walishindwa kum-condemn Idi Amin. ndiyo maana kuna wakati Nyerere made a few harsh statements about Nimeiri.

..Tanzania ilikuwa imeshtukizwa kijeshi kwasababu kulikuwa na kikosi kidogo cha JWTZ ambacho kilikuwa run over na majeshi na vifaa vizito vya Amin. focus yetu wakati huo ilikuwa imehamia kusini ambako tulikuwa tunawasaidia Frelimo wa Msumbiji. vikosi vilivyokuwa battle ready vilikuwa kusini ya Tanzania.

..kwa kifupi very few ppl thought we had any chance of defeating Amin. wapo hata wanaodai Mwalimu alisita sana kupigana na Amini na waliompa moyo ni makamanda wa kijeshi na Samora Machel wa Msumbiji.

..Tanzania ilibidi iji-organise ikiwa ni pamoja na kuhamisha vikosi toka kusini kupeleka kaskazini. kuimarisha mafunzo ya mgambo[people's militia] ili kuwapeleka mstari wa mbele. sehemu kubwa ya askari wa Tanzania ilikuwa ni wananchi waliojitolea kwenda kumtoa nduli. kila mkoa ulipewa quota ya idadi ya wananchi watakaokwenda frontline. Mkoa wa Mara uliongoza kwa wananchi kufurika ktk vituo vya kujiandikisha.

..nawashauri mtafute vitabu vinavyoelezea vita ile. You will be amazed on how we pulled it off. siyo kazi rahisi hata kidogo kuingia kijeshi ktk nchi nyingine na kuisambaratisha serikali iliyoko madarakani. Tulipomtoa Amini, tulisimika serikali ya wananchi wa Uganda. baada ya muda ukaendeshwa uchaguzi mkuu, na Tanzania ikajitoa kijeshi!!

..kuna mambo mengi sana yalikuwa yanakwenda simultaneosly.wakati vita inaendelea tuli-mobilize Waganda watakaounda serikali, na vilevile tulifundisha vikosi vya jeshi jipya la uganda.

I’m not a person of many words. Only facts has place in my brain.
Nyerere, Idd Amin, Obote, Binaisa and Rulee are dead, but there is one important person still alive ‘Yoweri Kaguta Museveni’ and he was with them in 1970s. Let’s listen to him; mind you these are his own word in this month.
Think if you are a president to be ousted, what could you do? Please rewrite your story again basing on Museveni’s fact minus Nyerere's propaganda.


"Museveni said he met Binaisa in the 1970s at Kilimanjaro Hotel when allied forces based in Tanzania were plotting to overthrow dictator Idi Amin. Binaisa impressed him as an articulate and humorous person, he noted". By Henry Mukasa.


Think if you are a president to be ousted, what could you do? Please rewrite your story again basing on Museveni’s fact minus Nyerere's propaganda.

 

[The Quonquerer]

I'm not a person of many words. Only facts has place in my brain.
Nyerere, Idd Amin, Obote, Binaisa and Rulee are dead, but there is one important person still alive ‘Yoweri Kaguta Museveni' and he was with them in 1970s. Let's listen to him; mind you these are his own word in this month.
Think if you are a president to be ousted, what could you do? Please rewrite your story again basing on Museveni's fact minus Nyerere's propaganda.


"Museveni said he met Binaisa in the 1970s at Kilimanjaro Hotel when allied forces based in Tanzania were plotting to overthrow dictator Idi Amin[/COLOR]. Binaisa impressed him as an articulate and humorous person, he noted". By Henry Mukasa.


Think if you are a president to be ousted, what could you do? Please rewrite your story again basing on Museveni's fact minus Nyerere's propaganda.

What has that having to do Amin's heroism. Was that the only enemy Amin had, which event started before the other, Ugandans fleeing Amin or Nyerere welcoming them.? Museveni, his fellow Ugandan is calling him a dictator, is it Nyerere who was putting those words in his mouth? I am starting to smell some Malaria Sugu traits here! Anything can be a fact afterall, depends on who is analysing. Relying on fictional movie alone to support your lame argument is below thinking.

 

[Zawadi Ngoda]

Zawadi,



"The Last King of Scotland" is a fictionalized account of Amin's administration and friendship with a Scottish expatriate, it is not a factual account, and if this is what you base your analysis and understanding of Amin on, then you are doomed from the start. I have watched this movie as well as reading real life accounts such as Archbishop Janani Luwum's "Nampenda Idi Amin" and watching documentaries such as "General Idi Amin". You don't get facts by watching fictionalized accounts such as "The Last King of Scotland", you get facts by reading real life accounts and watching actual footage of the Amin administration in documentaries such as "General Idi Amin"

Please, read again this part carefully. What do you observe?

"Recently I watched the film called "The last King of Scotland" in this film there are plus and minus about reality of Idd Amin. The most interesting part was the comment given by academicians. They explained him as a person who opened the African eyes. They were concerned on how the Ugandan's with Asian origin treated the indigenous. This was a great turning moment ideologically, and gave self confidence not only Ugandan's but African as well, they said."

Anyway, film is not much important than academicians, and it was a documentary on film but it also based on reality and importance of Idd Amin in Uganda as well as Africa.

 

[Richard]

After watching the footage I and many will certainly believe that Iddi Amin was product as I said ealier that product of his own as many other products who are grown and nurchured by western governments like many other products- Mobuttu Sese Seko, General Bokassa, Pol Pot and many more who are seen as moderate but they are actually doing many bad things.

These are tyrants built for a kill and not care. Iddi Amin could be branded a hero in his place where he was born because he was only going there for vacations and they probably weren't aware of his perfomance in Kampala.