Kwanini katika Nchi zote Afrika, ni Kenya tu!

[Kibona]

kama kenya...kenya wametupita kiuchumi East Africa hilo lazima tukubali

Hujaelewa swali.

 

[Kibona]

Kenya wako serious na makini katika mambo yao ya msingi. Wanafanya kazi kwa bidii. Wanatofauti zao na ukabila lakini kwenye mambo ya msingi ya kulijenga taifa lao hawataki mzaha hata kidogo.

Kwa staili hii ya kutoelewa mada waalimu wana kazi.

 

[Gang Chomba]

Hivi ni kwanini ktk nchi zooote barani Afrika zaidi ya 50, Watz wengi hupenda kujipima na kujilinganisha na Kenya tu?
Na hii ni kuanzia Viongozi mpaka Wananchi yaani kwa mfano kuna nchi nyingi sana Afrika ambazo zinaizidi Nchi yetu kiuchumi kwamba zina Uchumi mkubwa kuliko wetu, sasa ni kwa nini tuwe tunajilinganisha na Kenya tu?

Hata kwenye malengo ya Nchi utasikia Viongozi (wetu) mwaka fulani tutaipita Kenya, hata kama tukijenga Kiwanja cha mpira utasikia ni kikubwa AM nzima (na hapo wanamaanisha nchi mbili tu UG na hasa Kenya), hata kama ni ukumbi wa Disko tu utasikia ni mkubwa hata Kenya hamna, kwanini tusiseme hiki Kiwanja ni kikubwa Afrika Nzima?

Hata kwenye bandari lengo ni kuizidi Bandari ya Mombasa tu, sasa kwanini isiwe kuwa na Bandari kubwa na yenye ufanisi kushinda zote Afrika nzima? yaani tushindane na Beira, Durban, Djibouti n.k ni kwa nini Kenya tu?

Ukija kwenye Reli ni hivyo Mshindani na wakujilinganisha naye ni Kenya tu! Kwanini isiwe Kongo, Zambia, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia n.k

Ukija kwenye Utalii ni hivyo hivyo lengo SIYO kupata watalii wengi kuliko nchi zote Afrika, hapana bali ni kuwa na Watalii wengi kuliko Kenya, sasa ni kwanini? Kwa nini Siyo lkuliko Zimbabwe au AK au Misri?

Kuna anaye jua sababu hasa, ni kwa nini Kipimo chetu ni Kenya tu? Na je kama tukifanikiwa kuwazidi Kenya Kiuchumi, tutakuwa tumefanikiwa nini hasa?

hata mirungi tunafuata Kenya

 

[waltham]

Wewe ndie unayejilinganisha. Wengine size yetu south africa

hahahahahahaaaa.......eti S.A. kweli ndoto ni ndoto tu.usubuhi kuamka ndio fahamu zinarudi.....

 

[manning]

unapopiga hatua huanzia uliposimama kwenda eneo linalofuata na baadae kuendelea mbele. Kama kuna kikwazo chochote ulipofikia unaangika nacho kwanza ndipo unaendelea. Katika East and Central Afrika Tanzania and Kenya are opening to other enterior country. Kwa hiyo wana competition ya kudominenti enterior opening, ukiacha sababu nyingine .

 

[phill]

Mfano katiba

 

[Judgement]

Mgeni pekee aliyekaribishwa kwenye Bunge la katiba kutoa mada alikua Amos Wako!
Hii Kenya isije ikatuwowa !

 

[Tim Choice]

Kwa sababu Kenya na Tanzania ni dada mapacha!

 

[Kimweri]

Hivi ni kwanini ktk nchi zooote barani Afrika zaidi ya 50, Watz wengi hupenda kujipima na kujilinganisha na Kenya tu?
Na hii ni kuanzia Viongozi mpaka Wananchi yaani kwa mfano kuna nchi nyingi sana Afrika ambazo zinaizidi Nchi yetu kiuchumi kwamba zina Uchumi mkubwa kuliko wetu, sasa ni kwa nini tuwe tunajilinganisha na Kenya tu?

Hata kwenye malengo ya Nchi utasikia Viongozi (wetu) mwaka fulani tutaipita Kenya, hata kama tukijenga Kiwanja cha mpira utasikia ni kikubwa AM nzima (na hapo wanamaanisha nchi mbili tu UG na hasa Kenya), hata kama ni ukumbi wa Disko tu utasikia ni mkubwa hata Kenya hamna, kwanini tusiseme hiki Kiwanja ni kikubwa Afrika Nzima?

Hata kwenye bandari lengo ni kuizidi Bandari ya Mombasa tu, sasa kwanini isiwe kuwa na Bandari kubwa na yenye ufanisi kushinda zote Afrika nzima? yaani tushindane na Beira, Durban, Djibouti n.k ni kwa nini Kenya tu?

Ukija kwenye Reli ni hivyo Mshindani na wakujilinganisha naye ni Kenya tu! Kwanini isiwe Kongo, Zambia, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia n.k

Ukija kwenye Utalii ni hivyo hivyo lengo SIYO kupata watalii wengi kuliko nchi zote Afrika, hapana bali ni kuwa na Watalii wengi kuliko Kenya, sasa ni kwanini? Kwa nini Siyo lkuliko Zimbabwe au AK au Misri?

Kuna anaye jua sababu hasa, ni kwa nini Kipimo chetu ni Kenya tu? Na je kama tukifanikiwa kuwazidi Kenya Kiuchumi, tutakuwa tumefanikiwa nini hasa?

I respectifully disagree, wanaojilinganisha na Kenya ni wale ambao hata Nje ya EA hawajawahi kwenda.hii ni mitazamo ya miaka ya 80. Kwa sasa TZ hatujilinganishi na wakenya, ila ni wakenya wana hitch the ride ili kubakia kuw arelevant kama regional power.
Western Powers walipokuwa on top, we had every right to compare ourselves to them as they were the product of Western Success, At the moment Western powers are a shadow of what they used to be, and so is their offspring.

In a world that is increasingly facing East, in 10-15 years kila mtu atakuwa anajilinganisha na TZ. ni subira tu, kwa wanaotazama maendeleo ya nchi kwa span za miaka 2-3 hawawezi kuona hilo, lakini kwa wanaotazama kwa span za 10-30 years onwards watagundua kuwa pwani ya Africa mashariki, TZ and Mozambique are the places to be.

Sorry Kenya, but it seems bordering Somalia has been your worst Nightmare and to the Chinese eyes Kenya is more of the buffer zone to chaotic Northern Africa.

 

[Kimweri]

And mods please transfer this to Kenyan news section

 

[Kijakazi]

And mods please transfer this to Kenyan news section

Kwani ikikaa Hapa inakusinya nini hasa? Kama huipendi si usiifungue tu, mbona unakuwa mbinafsi namna hiyo?
Yaani kwa kuwa Mada haikupendezi basi unataka ihamishwe au ifutwe, acha hizo, Usijione wewe una umuhimu sana kuliko wengine!

 

[sungusungu]

Wakenya wako serious sana,hata Mwl Nyerere alikuwa anawakubali wakenya kwa kuifananisha Kenya na Ulaya!

 

[nrashu]

Region Rank	World Rank	Country	2013 GDP (nominal) millions of International dollars
—	—	Africa	2,263,744
1	24	Nigeria	522,470
2	34	South Africa	350,779
3	41	Egypt	271,427
4	50	Algeria	211,906
5	60	Angola	121,704
6	61	Morocco	105,101
7	67	Sudan	70,127
8	68	Libya	67,622
9	79	Ethiopia	48,145
10	81	Tunisia	47,439
11	85	Kenya	45,082
12	83	Ghana	44,223
13	94	Tanzania	34,238
13	94	Democratic Republic of the Congo	30,639
14	98	Cameroon	27,957
15	97	Ivory Coast	28,288
16	102	Uganda	23,053
17	103	Zambia	22,416
18	107	Gabon	19,228
19	114	Equatorial Guinea	15,574
20	115	Mozambique	15,329
21	116	Senegal	15,154
22	117	Botswana	14,837
23	120	Republic of the Congo	13,781
24	122	Chad	13,411
25	123	Zimbabwe	12,951
26	125	Namibia	12,318
27	126	Burkina Faso	12,247
28	127	Mauritius	11,930
29	130	Madagascar	11,210
30	131	Mali	11,070
31	139	Benin	8,310
32	141	Rwanda	7,431
33	142	Niger	7,359
34	145	Guinea	6,282
35	150	Togo	4,360
36	154	Malawi	3,814
37	152	Mauritania	4,187
38	155	Swaziland	3,620
39	156	Eritrea	3,444
40	158	Burundi	2,723
41	159	Lesotho	2,276
42	162	Liberia	1,933
43	163	Cape Verde	1,920
44	166	Central African Republic	1,538
45	167	Djibouti	1,457
46	168	Seychelles	1,398
47	172	The Gambia	850
48	173	Guinea-Bissau	845
49	179	Comoros	652

 

[Kijakazi]

Region Rank	World Rank	Country	2013 GDP (nominal) millions of International dollars
-	-	Africa	2,263,744
1	24	Nigeria	522,470
2	34	South Africa	350,779
3	41	Egypt	271,427
4	50	Algeria	211,906
5	60	Angola	121,704
6	61	Morocco	105,101
7	67	Sudan	70,127
8	68	Libya	67,622
9	79	Ethiopia	48,145
10	81	Tunisia	47,439
11	85	Kenya	45,082
12	83	Ghana	44,223
13	94	Tanzania	34,238
13	94	Democratic Republic of the Congo	30,639
14	98	Cameroon	27,957
15	97	Ivory Coast	28,288
16	102	Uganda	23,053
17	103	Zambia	22,416
18	107	Gabon	19,228
19	114	Equatorial Guinea	15,574
20	115	Mozambique	15,329
21	116	Senegal	15,154
22	117	Botswana	14,837
23	120	Republic of the Congo	13,781
24	122	Chad	13,411
25	123	Zimbabwe	12,951
26	125	Namibia	12,318
27	126	Burkina Faso	12,247
28	127	Mauritius	11,930
29	130	Madagascar	11,210
30	131	Mali	11,070
31	139	Benin	8,310
32	141	Rwanda	7,431
33	142	Niger	7,359
34	145	Guinea	6,282
35	150	Togo	4,360
36	154	Malawi	3,814
37	152	Mauritania	4,187
38	155	Swaziland	3,620
39	156	Eritrea	3,444
40	158	Burundi	2,723
41	159	Lesotho	2,276
42	162	Liberia	1,933
43	163	Cape Verde	1,920
44	166	Central African Republic	1,538
45	167	Djibouti	1,457
46	168	Seychelles	1,398
47	172	The Gambia	850
48	173	Guinea-Bissau	845
49	179	Comoros	652

Hivyo unataka kusema nini na hizo Tarakimu?

 

[Kimweri]

Kwani ikikaa Hapa inakusinya nini hasa? Kama huipendi si usiifungue tu, mbona unakuwa mbinafsi namna hiyo?
Yaani kwa kuwa Mada haikupendezi basi unataka ihamishwe au ifutwe, acha hizo, Usijione wewe una umuhimu sana kuliko wengine!

poza moto ndugu, ni mtazamo wangu kuwa hii thread italeta parralels kati ya Kenya na Tanzania,na itapata wachangiaji wengi zaidi ukiipeleka kwenye Jukwaa husika.Humu Jukwaa la siasa zmejaa habari za Bavicha na Uraisis 2015. Muda si mrefu mada itakuwa page ya 7.

 

[waltham]

I respectifully disagree, wanaojilinganisha na Kenya ni wale ambao hata Nje ya EA hawajawahi kwenda.hii ni mitazamo ya miaka ya 80. Kwa sasa TZ hatujilinganishi na wakenya, ila ni wakenya wana hitch the ride ili kubakia kuw arelevant kama regional power.
Western Powers walipokuwa on top, we had every right to compare ourselves to them as they were the product of Western Success, At the moment Western powers are a shadow of what they used to be, and so is their offspring.

In a world that is increasingly facing East, in 10-15 years kila mtu atakuwa anajilinganisha na TZ. ni subira tu, kwa wanaotazama maendeleo ya nchi kwa span za miaka 2-3 hawawezi kuona hilo, lakini kwa wanaotazama kwa span za 10-30 years onwards watagundua kuwa pwani ya Africa mashariki, TZ and Mozambique are the places to be.

Sorry Kenya, but it seems bordering Somalia has been your worst Nightmare and to the Chinese eyes Kenya is more of the buffer zone to chaotic Northern Africa.

I like your 2 cent analysis. so in 15 years other EA countries will be sleeping as tz becomes a "superpower". kichekesho hichi. I hope ndoto ikiisha you will come down to earth.

 

[Eric Cartman]

I like your 2 cent analysis. so in 15 years other EA countries will be sleeping as tz becomes a "superpower". kichekesho hichi. I hope ndoto ikiisha you will come down to earth.

Kubali yaishe mazee Kenya aina potential ya Tanzania, what you see now is development in slow motion considering Kenya has enough skilled workers, it has exploited almost all of its known resources i dont know why bado mnaona mna sababu ya kutaka kujifananisha na Tanzania.

We are just waiting for the miracles of the middle east to happen from deserts to mega cities in 50 years viva to oil, gases, land, scattered tourists attractions all over (we even got fossils now soon we will be recalling our Rukwatitan bisepultus and zinjathropus to be displayed at JKN Airport the one in Dar not in Nairobi) bye bye to poverty.

 

[Sir Good]

Ni kawaida ya viongozi au watu wanaopenda kuiga na kuishi ndoto za wengine. Hawana dream yaani hao watu hawana uwezo wa kubuni lao. Ni watu wavivu kufikiri na wanaona kila kitu hakiwezekani. Hatuitaji pesa kufanya mambo makubwa tunahitaji mipango mizuri. Nchi hii chini ya utawala wa sasa kuna mtu mmoja tu ambaye nimeona kidogo anacho hicho ninachotaka kusema. Huyu ni Neemia Mchechu peke yake.

Hata mimi namkubali huyu jamaa kwa utendajikazi wake kama tungakuwa na watu wengi wenye vision za huyu jamaa hakika Tz ingepaa!

 

[waltham]

Kubali yaishe mazee Kenya aina potential ya Tanzania, what you see now is development in slow motion considering Kenya has enough skilled workers, it has exploited almost all of its known resources i dont know why bado mnaona mna sababu ya kutaka kujifananisha na Tanzania.

We are just waiting for the miracles of the middle east to happen from deserts to mega cities in 50 years viva to oil, gases, land, scattered tourists attractions all over (we even got fossils now soon we will be recalling our Rukwatitan bisepultus and zinjathropus to be displayed at JKN Airport the one in Dar not in Nairobi) bye bye to poverty.

dunia itaisha tanzania na potential waiting to happen and waiting to exhale. my friend ndoto na kwachia ruhusa unayo rudi kitandani uendelee.


[h=2]Leaked agreement shows Tanzania may not get a good deal for gas – By Ben Taylor[/h] Posted on July 4, 2014 by AfricanArgumentsEditor
Another indication of the scale involved here is that since the Norwegian government is Statoil's majority shareholder, the extra revenue to the Norwegian government from this deal could be worth more than double the total of all Norwegian aid to Tanzania since independence[2].
But perhaps just as worrying is the resounding silence that met the leak. It has not been covered in the Tanzanian media, even when reporting on gas-related issues or Statoil's other activities. And aside from a brief reference in a relatively obscure parliamentary committee report (pdf, Swahili) (which itself did not attract media coverage), no leading politician has stood up to publicly make noise about the deal.
Those in the know are discussing it in hushed tones on the side-lines of meetings, in the more private corners of social media, or in coded language. The vast majority are not in the know.
This does not bode well. One of the big political risks with oil and gas is that it can be seen by politicians and senior officials as ‘easy' money that doesn't come with the kind of scrutiny that taxpayers demand when they pay their taxes and donors demand when they provide aid. Unless somebody – the media, politicians, civil society – steps up to fill the gap, decision makers in government will be left free to make whatever decisions they choose, unencumbered by any need to protect the public interest. The Statoil PSA may well have cost Tanzania several billion dollars – yet it appears no-one is trying to hold those responsible to account.
So why the silence? It may be that the media and the politicians don't understand the significance of the deal, don't have the capacity to pick apart the leaked PSA's legal language to find the meat. It's certainly not easy to do. Alternatively, it may be that they don't care. Or it may be that they are scared.
Zitto Kabwe, an outspoken opposition MP, posted a quote on Twitter last week:
"Not a single developing country that derives the bulk of its export earnings from oil and gas is a democracy," wrote Larry Diamond and Jack Mosbacher.
In Tanzania, I fear we may be about to find out why.
Ben Taylor (@mtega) is an analyst and blogger, writing mainly about Tanzanian media and politics at mtega.com. He works for Twaweza, but writes here in a personal capacity – his views do not necessarily represent those of Twaweza.

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[1] These figures are calculated based on 500MMscfd / 1000MMscfd of "profit gas", which refers to the value of gas produced after the company's costs have been deducted.

[2] Statoil has a 65% stake in the PSA, of which the Norwegian government owns 67%. The calculation is therefore as follows: 65% x 67% x $900m x 15years = $5.9bn. Norway has given approximately $2.5bn in aid to Tanzania since 1961 (Source: World Bank)

 

[Kimweri]

I like your 2 cent analysis. so in 15 years other EA countries will be sleeping as tz becomes a "superpower". kichekesho hichi. I hope ndoto ikiisha you will come down to earth.

When China surpassed Taiwan, Taiwan didn't cease to be a developed country, so when Tanzania becomes EA biggest Economy it won't be because of anything under Kenya Control, the fact that you think, it's in anyways related to Kenya, is giving yourself more importance than there is really.

Only time Kenya is a major factor in TZ development is when you post that in JF and really believe that to be the case.How naive.