Kenya faults Tanzania over tour van charges

[Baba Sangara]

..I think USD 200 per van is too low... USD 200 per tourist would be more like it?

 

[livefire]

It puzzles me to see things such as this. when you were signing this EAC manenos were your leaders asleep, not versed to the treaty or what? Incomplacency of tz is somehow but steadily making it a more isolated state in EAC projects. No mega project has touched them thus far as its people are ever increasingly advocating for a cautious and suspecting stance bagging on ulterior motives by neighbouring states. A reinvention of Tanzanian leadership precisely the administaration and its foreign policy where it concerns EAC should be revised. It should be noted that the privilledge of hosting EAC headquaters hasnt helped the Tz perception on its neighbours. Instead of lambasting and saying member states have ulterior motives, Tz can as well advocate for EAC dissolution or withdraw from the treaty. I hope this will solve their woes...#never ending woes to be frank. Till then, complain less and scrap the charges at border points. You signed for this.

 

[mageuzi1992]

Mimi sinahamu na shirikisho (eac) haina maana. Hawa jamaa wa kenya hawana mapenzi na sisi tusidanganyike hata kidogo
1. Wamekuwa wakitangaza mlima upo kenya=hilo ni kosa kubwa sana kwa ushirikiano wa eac!!!
2. Wamekuwa wakiizarau tanzania kwa mambo mengi!!
3. Hata bidhaa zetu nyingi hawazithamini!!
4. Wanampango wa kujenga uwanja wa ndege taveta mpakani na tanzania karibu na mkoa wa kilimanjaro ili waue uwanja wetu wa kia!!! (hawa si wema)
5. Wanatamani ardhi yetu na wala si shirikisho!!
6. Mwisho wa kunukuu nawaasa ndugu zangu watanzania tuwe makini na hawa jirani zetu kwa hayo niloyasema....si vibaya kushirikiana kibiashara ila iwe ni free movement na si free possesion!!

>>>>>naunga mkono hoja ya kutoza magari yao ushuru<<<<<<<<

 

[MzalendoHalisi]

Tz has many geo-political advantages- neighbours need us more than we do! Hawana jinsi ni lazima tru watubembeleze!
1. 2nd largest economy in EAC and 3dr in SADC.
2. Large and fertile area- if you take the areas of Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi combined..yet Tz has larger area.
3. Political and social stability!

Majirani hawana jinsi- they can not do without us!

 

[JokaKuu]

..Mtalii akiteremka Nairobi na kujaribu kutembelea Tanzania basi lazima ile kwake.

..nawashauri Kenyan tourist agents wafungue ofisi Tanzania, watangaze attractions zilizoko Tanzania, which r many, and also encourage tourists to exclusively use Tanzanian airports. hapo kutakuwa na win-win situation.

..Kenya wanatulazimisha tufungue mipaka yetu, wakati wao na Uganda wanagombea kisiwa kidogo cha Migingo.

 

[livefire]

Eish.....EAC was a platform to launch a common market. ''Read borderless''. Nway for the likes that think Tz is all glossy think twice. follow link

Forget EAC, here comes the new regional economic bloc

Take the case of the East African Community. On the surface, it appears like Kenya that needs it most to secure benefits from its protocols for its business people. Well, that is true, but if the EAC shut down tomorrow, it is Kenya that would miss it least. For Nairobi's long-term diplomatic strategic planning has positioned the country to continue as the regional economic power.

The magnitude of infrastructure deals Kenya has signed with Ethiopia and South Sudan are simply dizzying.
Billions of dollars are being invested in an electricity transmission grid from Ethiopia, railway and oil pipeline to South Sudan. And as you have already noticed, Kenya Airways is fast becoming the de facto national airline of the continent with a few exceptions like Ethiopia, South Africa, and Egypt.

 

[JokaKuu]

Eish.....EAC was a platform to launch a common market. ''Read borderless''. Nway for the likes that think Tz is all glossy think twice.

livefire,

..if EAC was supposed to be border less, mbona Kenya na Uganda mlikuwa mnagombea kisiwa cha Migingo?!!

..Ethiopians r better of using the port in Eritrea and Djibout.

..Wakenya mtakuwa mnajidanganya kutegemea kwamba in the long run Ethiopia watatumia bandari ya Lamu as their first option.

 

[livefire]

livefire,

..if EAC was supposed to be border less, mbona Kenya na Uganda mlikuwa mnagombea kisiwa cha Migingo?!!

..Ethiopians r better of using the port in Eritrea and Djibout.

..Wakenya mtakuwa mnajidanganya kutegemea kwamba in the long run Ethiopia watatumia bandari ya Lamu as their first option.

its worth noting that Kenya exercised extreem restraint with Uganda, not as a show of cowardice but the economic gains far outweighed use of military force which was at its disposal. Btw the AP unit were preped for a sting operation but the army again suppressed them. (Just a btw).
EAC was intended to create a borderless economic zone, ok? Not to infringe on territorial integrity of member states thats why treaties were signed till we be a federation. This dream if realized will create the largest market in Central Africa bigger than SADC and will benefit the region immensely. By signing the treaty you scrapped border levies hence backtracking is a distaste to the entire region.

Ethiopia for obvious reasons will always fight eritreans, they seceded and with that they will ever beat each other to senses every so often plus the ports in Eritrea cant hold deep berths too. By 2030, the volumes of cargo feeding Central Africa via Lamu, Mombasa, Dar and Tanga will be unimaginable. This sibling rivalry will make little sense then but now every economy has to do what is prudent to stay afloat.

 

[Kabaridi]

livefire,

..if EAC was supposed to be border less, mbona Kenya na Uganda mlikuwa mnagombea kisiwa cha Migingo?!!

..Ethiopians r better of using the port in Eritrea and Djibout.

..Wakenya mtakuwa mnajidanganya kutegemea kwamba in the long run Ethiopia watatumia bandari ya Lamu as their first option.

Wacha kuwa na mtazamo duni, Migingo haihusiani na EAC au IGAD, muhimu ni kufanya mataifa ya afrika mashariki yawe less dependent on foreign donor aid na kuinamia serikali za ulaya (kulazimishwa kuwa vinyago).

 

[JokaKuu]

its worth noting that Kenya exercised extreem restraint with Uganda, not as a show of cowardice but the economic gains far outweighed use of military force which was at its disposal. Btw the AP unit were preped for a sting operation but the army again suppressed them. (Just a btw).
EAC was intended to create a borderless economic zone, ok? Not to infringe on territorial integrity of member states thats why treaties were signed till we be a federation. This dream if realized will create the largest market in Central Africa bigger than SADC and will benefit the region immensely. By signing the treaty you scrapped border levies hence backtracking is a distaste to the entire region.

Ethiopia for obvious reasons will always fight eritreans, they seceded and with that they will ever beat each other to senses every so often plus the ports in Eritrea cant hold deep berths too. By 2030, the volumes of cargo feeding Central Africa via Lamu, Mombasa, Dar and Tanga will be unimaginable. This sibling rivalry will make little sense then but now every economy has to do what is prudent to stay afloat.

Livefire,

..so why did Kenya and Uganda fail to create the "borderless economic zone" in Migingo?

..u only invoke the idea of free movement and access to the land when dealing with Tanzania. WHY??

..I agree with u that every economy, Tanzania included, should do what is prudent to survive. In that sense if Kenyans continue with the media campaign that mount Kilimanjaro in their country, then Tanzania has to make sure there is a border levy for any individual entering frm Kenya.

..it makes more economic sense for Ethiopia to use the ports in Eritrea and Djibout, because of their proximity to that country. The same way with Uganda, I dont think it is economic prudent for them to try to use Tanga or Dsm ports.

Wacha kuwa na mtazamo duni, Migingo haihusiani na EAC au IGAD, muhimu ni kufanya mataifa ya afrika mashariki yawe less dependent on foreign donor aid na kuinamia serikali za ulaya (kulazimishwa kuwa vinyago).

Mzalendo452,

..wewe usifikiri wa-Tanzania ni misukule[zombies] kwamba kila ujinga unaotoka Kenya basi wakubaliane nao.

..Kenya occupies 6% of lake Victoria, Uganda has 45%, and Tanzania has the remaining 49%. sasa siku zote Wakenya mnalilia kwamba Lake Victoria iwe borderless.

..Migingo is an island in the Lake Victoria na inahusiana moja kwa moja na ujanja-ujanja wa wa-Kenya kutia mikono kwenye rasilimali za majirani zake.​

 

[Geza Ulole]

Livefire,

..so why did Kenya and Uganda fail to create the "borderless economic zone" in Migingo?

..u only invoke the idea of free movement and access to the land when dealing with Tanzania. WHY??

..I agree with u that every economy, Tanzania included, should do what is prudent to survive. In that sense if Kenyans continue with the media campaign that mount Kilimanjaro in their country, then Tanzania has to make sure there is a border levy for any individual entering frm Kenya.

..it makes more economic sense for Ethiopia to use the ports in Eritrea and Djibout, because of their proximity to that country. The same way with Uganda, I dont think it is economic prudent for them to try to use Tanga or Dsm ports.

Mzalendo452,

..wewe usifikiri wa-Tanzania ni misukule[zombies] kwamba kila ujinga unaotoka Kenya basi wakubaliane nao.

..Kenya occupies 6% of lake Victoria, Uganda has 45%, and Tanzania has the remaining 49%. sasa siku zote Wakenya mnalilia kwamba Lake Victoria iwe borderless.

..Migingo is an island in the Lake Victoria na inahusiana moja kwa moja na ujanja-ujanja wa wa-Kenya kutia mikono kwenye rasilimali za majirani zake.​

Hao jamaa huingia na passport Migingo na hulipa customs/tax for every fish they fetch within Migingo! Museveni hana masihara on that...:lock1:

 

[livefire]

Joka Kuu u got issues that are non~nascent to the realm of this debate. taxation along the borders were revised and ratified by EAC resolution. Traders from Uganda and Kenya suffer no such charges unlike those imposed by tanzanians. Why did u append to the treaty with such reserved stands? The ideology of EAC is to create a free economic zone, not solve border tussles, ok? If this spirit fails because some quaters feel shortchanged they are at a liberty to withdraw from the picture but as i see it, we got 5 other states commited to EAC that utilse the Kenyan corridor and lesser trade restrictions. About Ethiopia lines, all cons had been considered and still the lamu link proved viable even with Qataris having an adventure with the Djibouti port. (Eritrea is off the pic). About Kilimanjaro its documented nowhere Kenya claims ownership. Amboseli/serengeti are advertised as a unit. Do you get the pic.

 

[livefire]

Hao jamaa huingia na passport Migingo na hulipa customs/tax for every fish they fetch within Migingo! Museveni hana masihara on that...:lock1:

this is an expensive joke, where does a fisherman obtain a passport to fish in his own backyard? Btw, Kenya dispatched a chief to the island last week. Stop spoilling for an arguement.

 

[DAR si LAMU]

EAC was intended to create a borderless economic zone, ok? Not to infringe on territorial integrity of member states thats why treaties were signed till we be a federation. This dream if realized will create the largest market in Central Africa bigger than SADC and will benefit the region immensely. By signing the treaty you scrapped border levies hence backtracking is a distaste to the entire region.

...Is that how you fool fellow Kenyans?. Who said that we'll be that much a bunch of fools, to let some revenue slips to Kenya's economy, for the "sake" of a Treaty with a number of flaws.

...Does anything that is happening to the EU ring a bell?

Ethiopia for obvious reasons will always fight eritreans, they seceded and with that they will ever beat each other to senses every so often plus the ports in Eritrea cant hold deep berths too. By 2030, the volumes of cargo feeding Central Africa via Lamu, Mombasa, Dar and Tanga will be unimaginable. This sibling rivalry will make little sense then but now every economy has to do what is prudent to stay afloat.

...What about ports in Djibouti?. Don't you think, Ethiopia is just trying to be more strategic, and having more ports at its disposal, for obvious reasons?

...Believe me, by that time, those volumes -from the mentioned area- will be coming in and going out through Dar and Tanga.

 

[Geza Ulole]

this is an expensive joke, where does a fisherman obtain a passport to fish in his own backyard? Btw, Kenya dispatched a chief to the island last week. Stop spoilling for an arguement.

see for urself here KDF sneaking their noses but couldn't land their feet in the Migingo Island...

 

[livefire]

see for urself here KDF sneaking their noses but couldn't land their feet in the Migingo Island...

haha...Geza how much do they pay you to believe that. Anyway al let it slip, thats national security but i mentioned it somewhere. I dont speak for KDF.

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

[livefire]

...Is that how you fool fellow Kenyans?. Who said that we'll be that much a bunch of fools, to let some revenue slips to Kenya's economy, for the "sake" of a Treaty with a number of flaws.

...Does anything that is happening to the EU ring a bell? ...What about ports in Djibouti?. Don't you think, Ethiopia is just trying to be more strategic, and having more ports at its disposal, for obvious reasons?

...Believe me, by that time, those volumes -from the mentioned area- will be coming in and going out through Dar and Tanga.

nothing objective to reply to here, read port devts in Kenya, about EAC flaws i didnt coerce a state to append pen to paper.hehe...damn u got a wonderful leardership.

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

[Geza Ulole]