Is it that the world is not fair or God does not exist.

Raia Fulani said:

A consensus has been reached that life is what u make it, or how u make it. Do i make politics? Do i bring natural calamities? Am i the only one who shapes my destiny? How? Do i decide what to do and how and it happens exactly? What disposes what i propose? If by chance life was under my/your control, there would have been no laments. So long as life is grace and beyond our control, tribulation, hardships, joy, happines, etc. are part and parcel of our existence. Life and me/you are two parties who enter into a contract to adhere to life's orders. If that comes into your understanding, then you should be supple enough to life's ups and downs

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This does not satisfy the curious, and without curiosity there is no meaningful progress.

Kiranga said:

This does not satisfy the curious, and without curiosity there is no meaningful progress.

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funguka zaidi mkuu

The thing is most of us Africans in this case we Tanzanians fall into this 'bandwagon' about God and Religion without having enough of its education. It is very important to know history of the faith we are believing.
Psychologically a man's brain creates god. The brain makes the man to feel that he is incomplete without the believe of the superbeing(god) who has got more power and can do a lot of things that are impossible to man. Take for example if Jesus Christ could come at this age and he talks about going heaven(up to the sky) beyond the clouds, that won't astonish us, as there are exploration probes which have gone beyond our solar system which were sent by NASA in the 1970's like the Pioneers series andthe Vikings series. But at the time of Jesus going beyond the clouds it was divine thing, since at the time of Adam they believed that the smoke from offerings made to worship God goes up to Him as it (smoke) goes up, but by today's knowledge we know that that smoke can't go beyond earth's atmospheresince its velocity doesn't reach the escape velocity required for an object to 'leave' the earth.
If you look at various traditional beliefs you won't find a tradition which doesn't believe into the existence of the superbeing. Here is where I come at the need to know history of our beliefs. The bible is equivalence of various traditional beliefs' stories which precolonial/pre-envaded societies kept generations to generations. But when people from other societies started to interact to each other, in case of Africa is business, exploration and colonialism: the invaders used religion for their gain to exploit Africans. But stupid we are even ready to have a conflict among ourselves because of these foreign religions.
Back to the topic, the quran and the bible are just another peoples' (middle east) beliefs stories which are very UNTRUE. If you have time ask some priests you know (for catholics) about what they are taught about the bible in the Seminaries. For example the Creation Story in the Genesis is completely UNTRUE. According to the bible the Creation of the World was around 4064 BC.

[QUOTE=Kiranga;1287251]I say god does not exist, and that is why the world is not fair. It is inconceivable that there exists a just, all powerful god who made a world that is inherently unjust, with the law of the jungle ruling practically all over nature.

Ndiyo maana wajanja wakasema "God helps those who help themselves". Hii ni aina ya kidiplomasia tu ya kusema "look after yourself, god does not exist".

Mungu mwenye upendo na nguvu zote angekuwepo angewezaje kuwapelekea maskini WaHaiti majanga baada ya majanga? Mara matetemeko ya ardhi, mara cholera ?[/QUOTE]

Nasikia nao kwa Uchawi Wanatisha hawa japo uchawi hata hapa Bongo ni hatari.

Kiranga said:

Mpaka hapo ushashindwa kujieleza. Napata shaka kwamba unaelewa unachotaka kusema.

Mungu yupo, tena si mmoja ? Sasa unachotaka kusema ni kwamba mungu yupo au miungu wapo?

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anashindwa kutofautisha umoja na uwingi, in short GOD doesnt exist ni wa kufikirika tu.

huyu mungu tunayemtetea hapa ni mungu wa wazungu , walikuja wakatujaza maneno ya na kuanzisha seminari zao then they fed us with physiology zao, look at them now (whites) they trying now to legelise gay marriages inside societies believe me they have money and brain, thats why they are succesing. Few days ago pope benedict kasema kuwa condoms can be used ..this is the big man in churchies side, and soon he's gonna legalise ushoga na ufirwaaji inside churches. Thats why i can say that god is for white people and doesnt exist at all.

Ivuga said:

huyu mungu tunayemtetea hapa ni mungu wa wazungu , walikuja wakatujaza maneno ya na kuanzisha seminari zao then they fed us with physiology zao, look at them now (whites) they trying now to legelise gay marriages inside societies believe me they have money and brain, thats why they are succesing. Few days ago pope benedict kasema kuwa condoms can be used ..this is the big man in churchies side, and soon he's gonna legalise ushoga na ufirwaaji inside churches. Thats why i can say that god is for white people and doesnt exist at all.

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Post yako haina coherence.
god haiexist kwa sababu ipi? jibu kwa urahisi na to the point.

Kiranga said:

Sehemu kubwa ya matatizo inatokana na imani ya mungu, mauaji yamefanyika vitani kwa jina la mungu, wakoloni wametufanya watumwa kwa jina la mungu. Kama binadamu akijielewa yeye ni nani na kuondoa utegemezi kwa mungu angeweza kupunguza matatizo yake sana.

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Uwepo wa matapeli wa kidini sio kigezo cha kusema hakuna Mungu, hata maandikio yanasema "jihadharini na manabii wa uongo..."

the verse is from Chronicle 7: 14-15
14 And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land. 15 My eyes also shall be open, and my ears attentive to the prayer of him that shall pray in this place.

"To get something you never had, you have to do something you never did."

Preta said:

kama sijakosea kuna maandiko yanasema "ikiwa watu wangu walioitwa kwa jina langu watajinyenyekeza mbele yangu na kuziacha njia zao mbaya, nami nitasikia kutoka mbinguni na kuiponya nchi yao" mwenye huo mstari anaweza kunisahihisha

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Preta well said,Mungu does exist na nia yake sio wananchi wateseke ila kama tunakua wajuaji sana na kufuata njia zetu na si zake ndio kama hivi anaachia mambo kama haya tushike adamu kwanza mpaka tujue tulikosea wapi.:target:

Kiranga said:

I say god does not exist, and that is why the world is not fair. It is inconceivable that there exists a just, all powerful god who made a world that is inherently unjust, with the law of the jungle ruling practically all over nature.

Ndiyo maana wajanja wakasema "God helps those who help themselves". Hii ni aina ya kidiplomasia tu ya kusema "look after yourself, god does not exist".

Mungu mwenye upendo na nguvu zote angekuwepo angewezaje kuwapelekea maskini WaHaiti majanga baada ya majanga? Mara matetemeko ya ardhi, mara cholera ?

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How did god come about? Who "birthed" him/her?

Nyani Ngabu said:

How did god come about? Who "birthed" him/her?

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your brain

pianist said:

your brain

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So god is only a thought? Kinda like a bigger and better version of Father Christmas who rewards the good and punish the naughty ?

Kiranga said:

So god is only a thought? Kinda like a bigger and better version of Father Christmas who rewards the good and punish the naughty ?

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yes, the God's existence notion is complete psychological.

D5 said:

Huo mstari uko sahihi preta kama sikosei jana ulienda church...!

Mungu ni wa wote na hana upendeleo na kila jambo linalotokea chini ya jua lina makusudi maalum mbele za Mungu, yaani ili utukufu wake udhihirike mbele yetu na wasio mwamini wamwamini...! japo kuna wabishi....!

Neno la Mungu linasema ni rahisi NGAMIA kupenya katika tundu la sindano kuliko TAJIRI kuingia katika ufalme wa mbinguni... hii ni kweli watu wengi ambao wamejitosheleza kwa kila namna ya dunia hawaoni haja ya KUJINYENYEKESHA mbele za Mungu, huku niliko watu hawaendi church its only wazee na vijana wachache walio jitoa... na wengine ni culture kwao kwenda church... wengine hawajui nini maana ya PRAYER/MAOMBI...

YESU atarudi pale ambapo kila sikio litaskia neno la Mungu ili kusiwepo na awae yeyote atakaesema mimi sikuskia habari zake....

Mwenye sikio na asikie na mwenye macho aone.

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Katika UPUUZI huu unaongoza. Hivi nyie Mnaojifanya watu wa Mungu hamjui waliowafundisha dini wameacha sasa wkt ata miaka 500 haijapita? Hamjajib hoja. wao wanapanda kwenye universe nyie mnafufua MISUKULE. Tuseme CCM izidi kuongoza kwakuwa Yesu atarudi.....?

ANNASTACIA said:

the verse is from Chronicle 7: 14-15
14 And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land. 15 My eyes also shall be open, and my ears attentive to the prayer of him that shall pray in this place.

"To get something you never had, you have to do something you never did.”

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Nimeipenda sana quote yako ya hapo mwisho dadangu. Lakini hebu fikiria, mimi nimetamani sana kuwa na gari ila sina jinsi kupata hiyo gari kiurahisi. Ila kwa kuwa natamani kuwa na hiyo gari, nimefikia uamuzi wa kuiba na kwa bahati nzuri sijawahi kuiba katika maisha yangu. Je unadhani nitakuwa sahihi kufanya kitu ambacho sijawahi kufanya ili kupata nisichokuwa nacho? Je nikiamua kupiga goti kusali pia unafikiri hiyo gari itakuja haraka? This is where a contradiction about God raises.

Tatizo letu wanadamu tunamtaka Mungu afanye kazi kwa mujibu wa kanuni zetu sisi na sio zake, hatutaki kumwabudu na kutii maneno yake yet tunataka mambo yetu yatunyookee! It doesnt work like that at all!!!