EAC Chief warns Tanzania on regional Integration

[NOD]

Patriotic leader ni kama Sezibera ambaye hakuhusishwa na wala secretariat anayoongoza haihusishwi na hiyo trilateral. Bado anasimama na kuitetea huku akijua kuwa Ina Secretary General wake huko Nairobi ambaye ni mhutu aliyefukuzwa uwaziri wa Afrika Mashariki kwa uzembe kinyume na Katiba ya EAC! Hiyo ndio patriotism yaani as long as kitu kimesemwa na mtutsi then kiko sawa hata kama ni upuuzi. Rwanda ni bomu linalongoja kulipuka!

''Patriotic leader' una maana gani? kama wale wa 1993 genocide au una maanisha nini.

 

[Mkirua]

Wewe na nani? Ungejua uko peke yako, ungefunga domo lako. Tulia ungalie sinema ikichezwa. you are a non-player in this game. Wewe tafuta mboga ya nyumbani ukae kimya. Eti "sisi"!!!! Nyambafu

Thank you very much Madam, Let time be your best teacher indeed!

 

[murutongore]

Hawa Rwanda ni wazimu! Tanzania alilie EAC wakati kawakaribisha nyie ili msiendelee kuchinjana leo ndio mnajifanya ku dictate terms? Maajabu! Penye makosa lazima tukubali kusahihisha! Frankly speaking we have nothing to loose by leaving EAC.

Tatizo EAC SIYO YENU NYIE WANYAMURENGE! Ni Mali ya nchi 3 tu, ebu angalia was taabu wa Burundi.hivi tutafaidika nini kwa kuing'ang'ania Rwanda yenye uchumi kama wa wilaya ya korogwe? Madini ya wizi tumeziba sasa sijui mtaishi vipi? Mtalipwa mboga Za majani na mihogo kama mishahara au umesahau mlikuwa mnalipana nini kabla ya kuanza wizi wa madini ya DRC!

Hahaha...pumba nyingi tu. utake usitake Rwanda,Burundi tuko EAC. Tunachotaka ni coalition of the willing waendelee na intergration nyie ambao bado mnajivutavuta subirini tu muda si mrefu mtawashiwa indicator. Watu waoga kama nini. Tatizo nyie kwa sababu ya corruption inayowatafuna mnaogopa kwenda na kasi yetu kwa sababu hao mnaowatuma kwenye mikutano wanaweza wakaw short change kwa maslahi yao binafsi.

 

[murutongore]

I do not think genuine integrationists in East Africa should be worried by Kenya, Uganda and Rwanda meeting in Mombasa to plan joint projects; just as a meeting of Tanzania, Burundi and Rwanda to hasten the implementation of the proposed Musoma-Arusha-Tanga Railway should not worry Kenya and Uganda.

Projects which facilitate the integration of two or more of the partners in the EAC are all in the right direction. Rwanda and Burundi should for instance be very much interested in the rehabilitation and renovation of the Tanzania Central Railway Line and Dar es Salaam Port.

As the last Secretary General of EAC (Phase I) I lament that it was not possible during that phase to extend the Tanga-Arusha Railway to Musoma. Arguments that passing through the Serengeti National Park would disturb this wonder of the world were advanced by a number of people, especially those pre-occupied with Kisumu and Mombasa ports' business expansion. Anyway, the economic and financial strains that followed , made the Tanzania authorities shelve the project.

Mzee,

Heshima zako.

As you are aware, globalization is inevitable. Regional integration is inevitable. All over the world what you are seeing is countries getting rid of the colonial boundaries and facilitating trade for the mutual benefit of each member. You have ECOWAS, COMESA, EAC etc. What we are telling Tanzanians is that instead of fearing regional integration, they should embrace it. This saying that we are better of in SADC is coping out because everyone knows that SADC is a political organization and has no direct benefit to tanzanians.

I agree with you that Rwanda and Burundi should focus on the central corridor but what we are seeing is that even with the proposed extension or the railway line from isaka to kigali and bujumbura, tanzanians have been dragging their feet and this shows their unwillingness to implement this project. That is why you have seen the shift to the northern corridor as kenya has picked up the idea and ran with it.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Hahaha...pumba nyingi tu. utake usitake Rwanda,Burundi tuko EAC. Tunachotaka ni coalition of the willing waendelee na intergration nyie ambao bado mnajivutavuta subirini tu muda si mrefu mtawashiwa indicator. Watu waoga kama nini. Tatizo nyie kwa sababu ya corruption inayowatafuna mnaogopa kwenda na kasi yetu kwa sababu hao mnaowatuma kwenye mikutano wanaweza wakaw short change kwa maslahi yao binafsi.

Endeleeni n mikataba ya kijeshi mliochomeka katika ujenzi wa reli.
Mwambie Sezibera akimaliza muda wake kama mwambata wa kijeshi wa Kagame then EAC will go forward.

Watanzania ni watu makini sana, walikataa mwanzo kabisa Kagame kuwa sehemu ya EAC. Walijua kifo cha EAC kitatokea Rwanda, sasa Sezibera keshakiwasilisha. Katibu mkuu anazunguka katika region kutoa stupid statements katika vikao vya 'harusi' Nairobi, shame on you Sezibera.

 

[murutongore]

Endeleeni n mikataba ya kijeshi mliochomeka katika ujenzi wa reli.
Mwambie Sezibera akimaliza muda wake kama mwambata wa kijeshi wa Kagame then EAC will go forward.

Watanzania ni watu makini sana, walikataa mwanzo kabisa Kagame kuwa sehemu ya EAC. Walijua kifo cha EAC kitatokea Rwanda, sasa Sezibera keshakiwasilisha. Katibu mkuu anazunguka katika region kutoa stupid statements katika vikao vya 'harusi' Nairobi, shame on you Sezibera.

Nyie mlimpa kura yenu kuwa katibu mkuu wa EAC. so what should we think of you? Mmmh?

 

[JokaKuu]

Hahaha...pumba nyingi tu. utake usitake Rwanda,Burundi tuko EAC. Tunachotaka ni coalition of the willing waendelee na intergration nyie ambao bado mnajivutavuta subirini tu muda si mrefu mtawashiwa indicator. Watu waoga kama nini. Tatizo nyie kwa sababu ya corruption inayowatafuna mnaogopa kwenda na kasi yetu kwa sababu hao mnaowatuma kwenye mikutano wanaweza wakaw short change kwa maslahi yao binafsi.

murutongore,

..well, tunaogopa mnaweza kuvamia ARDHI yetu.

..suala lingine tunaloogopa ni historia yenu ya MAUAJI na UKATILI.

..hebu tueleze kuna ubaya gani tukiwa na akiba ya ardhi?

..au, nyinyi mnafaidika vipi na population explosion na uhaba wa ardhi ulioko huko kwenu??

..Tanzania inapenda kufanya biashara na majirani zake, bila kuhusisha masuala ya ardhi na uhamiaji.

 

[Edwin Mtei]

Nguruvi3

Kilichoua EAC Phase I, mwaka 1977 (not 1967) ni Rais Nyerere kufunga mpaka wa Kenya-Tanzania Februari 1977. Siku hiyo Kenya iliamua kusitisha operations za Shirika la Ndege la Afrika Mashariki na kuhodhi ndege zote zilizokuwa ziruke kutoka Nairobi. Wageni waalikwa kwa Maadhimisho ya Miaka 10 ya Arusha Declaration na Kuzinduliwa kwa Chama cha Mapinduzi tarehe 5 Februari wakakwama Nairobi. Ilikuwa ni lazima kuwachukua toka Nairobi kwa magari mpaka Arusha.

Hata hivyo nieleze kwamba kuvunjika kwa EAC I kulianza kutishia tangu 1971 wakati Idi Amin alipompindua Milton Obote na Nyerere kumkaribisha Tanzania. Kuanzia hapo E.A.C. Authority haikukutana tena kwa vile Nyerere alikataa kukaa pamoja na Idi Amin. Jomo Kenyatta alishindwa kuwapatanisha; na hata hivyo wengi wa mawaziri wa Kenya hawakupendelea EAC iendelee kutokana na maslahi binafsi.

Baada ya mpaka wa Kenya-Tanzania kufungwa hakukuwa na la kufanya bali ni Mawaziri wa Afrika Mashariki na watumishi kufungasha na kuondoka Makao Makuu Arusha. Kuanzia Julai 1977 juhudi za kubainisha raslimali na madeni ya EAC na mashirika yake zilianza zikisimamiwa na Victor Umbricht, ambaye alikamilisha zoezi hilo mwaka wa 1984.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Mzee Edwin Mtei
Ahsante kwa mchango wako hapo juu.
Tunategemea uzoefu wenu katika mambo haya. Nina swali lingine.
Kwa mtazamo wako ni nini hasa kinatishia EAC ya sasa kama ilivyojitokeza siku za karibuni?
Kwanini hatujajifunza kutokana na yaliyopita siku za nyuma.

 

[NOD]

Sidhani kama kuna Mtanzania ambaye ana mawazo ya kutaka Rwanda na Burundi watoke EAC. Nilichosema ni kuwa Rwanda inaihitaji EAC ambayo ni mali ya nchi 3, ndio maana mkaambiwa hamna haki ya kuomba mabadiliko yoyote mnapojiunga bali mnaingia kama mlivyoikuta! EAC ni kinga ya siasa zenu za kibaguzi huku mkiwa watu wa taifa moja. Danganyeni kokote lakini jueni dhambi yenu yya ubaguzi itawatafuna maisha milele!Hatujivuti wala hatuna uoga wowote kwa Rwanda na bwana zenu na ni haki yenu kuwa na federation lakini mfuate Treaty inasema nini (play by the rules of the game). Ubaya tunaosema ni ule unafiki wenu kama mlivyozoea yaani mnasema tofauti na jinsi mnavyofanya. Tumewalea na tunawajua vizuri sana kuliko nafikiri nchi nyingine.


Kwanini tuingie kwenye federation na nchi ambazo hazina uhakika na kesho na wanatawaliwa na masultani? Hatuwezi tukawa na federation na nchi ambayo rais wake anafikiri kuwa ni bora kuliko raia wengine kiasi cha kubadili katiba kama chupi ili abaki madarakani. Put your houses in order then talk of federation. Corruption imekuwa eti ndio kitu peke ambacho mnashughulikia! Uhutu na ututsi hata, equal opportunity kwa watu wenu, fear and terror among your people, uhuru wa mawazo! hapana!Tanzania tunasema lets build a strong EAC, economically, and not those fantasy of being sultans. with a strong economic base, the EAC federation will come up automatically. by then you may have matured democratically and denounce your racist thinking. Acheni kutafuta sehemu ya kuficha political instability and human right violations ya nchi yenu ya kibaguzi. Miungano mingi ya ambition ya viongozi bila reality za kimaisha huishia kufa and you have many examples kama unauelewa kama huo unaojifanya kuuonyesha hapa.


Inaonekana hata uelewa wako wa EAC nimdogo sana. Secretary General hapigiwi kura ila ni uteuzi wa kisiasa wa nchi ambayo inakuwa kwenye zamu ya kutoa SG. Hivyo mkitoa mpuuzi lazima atakubalika tu maana ni zamu yenu. Again, Watanzania hawajawahi kuwa na ubaya na watu wa Burundi na Rwanda ila hawakubaliana na genge la wahuni ambao wanafikiri wamepewa uwezo wa kutawala wanyarwanda wenzao eti wakiwaita watwana na wenyewe wakiwa mabwana. Hata kama angekuwa Mhutu anafanya hivi pia tungemwambaia hapana!

Hahaha...pumba nyingi tu. utake usitake Rwanda,Burundi tuko EAC. Tunachotaka ni coalition of the willing waendelee na intergration nyie ambao bado mnajivutavuta subirini tu muda si mrefu mtawashiwa indicator. Watu waoga kama nini. Tatizo nyie kwa sababu ya corruption inayowatafuna mnaogopa kwenda na kasi yetu kwa sababu hao mnaowatuma kwenye mikutano wanaweza wakaw short change kwa maslahi yao binafsi.

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[murutongore]

Sidhani kama kuna Mtanzania ambaye ana mawazo ya kutaka Rwanda na Burundi watoke EAC. Nilichosema ni kuwa Rwanda inaihitaji EAC ambayo ni mali ya nchi 3, ndio maana mkaambiwa hamna haki ya kuomba mabadiliko yoyote mnapojiunga bali mnaingia kama mlivyoikuta! EAC ni kinga ya siasa zenu za kibaguzi huku mkiwa watu wa taifa moja. Danganyeni kokote lakini jueni dhambi yenu yya ubaguzi itawatafuna maisha milele!Hatujivuti wala hatuna uoga wowote kwa Rwanda na bwana zenu na ni haki yenu kuwa na federation lakini mfuate Treaty inasema nini (play by the rules of the game). Ubaya tunaosema ni ule unafiki wenu kama mlivyozoea yaani mnasema tofauti na jinsi mnavyofanya. Tumewalea na tunawajua vizuri sana kuliko nafikiri nchi nyingine.


Kwanini tuingie kwenye federation na nchi ambazo hazina uhakika na kesho na wanatawaliwa na masultani? Hatuwezi tukawa na federation na nchi ambayo rais wake anafikiri kuwa ni bora kuliko raia wengine kiasi cha kubadili katiba kama chupi ili abaki madarakani. Put your houses in order then talk of federation. Corruption imekuwa eti ndio kitu peke ambacho mnashughulikia! Uhutu na ututsi hata, equal opportunity kwa watu wenu, fear and terror among your people, uhuru wa mawazo! hapana!Tanzania tunasema lets build a strong EAC, economically, and not those fantasy of being sultans. with a strong economic base, the EAC federation will come up automatically. by then you may have matured democratically and denounce your racist thinking. Acheni kutafuta sehemu ya kuficha political instability and human right violations ya nchi yenu ya kibaguzi. Miungano mingi ya ambition ya viongozi bila reality za kimaisha huishia kufa and you have many examples kama unauelewa kama huo unaojifanya kuuonyesha hapa.


Inaonekana hata uelewa wako wa EAC nimdogo sana. Secretary General hapigiwi kura ila ni uteuzi wa kisiasa wa nchi ambayo inakuwa kwenye zamu ya kutoa SG. Hivyo mkitoa mpuuzi lazima atakubalika tu maana ni zamu yenu. Again, Watanzania hawajawahi kuwa na ubaya na watu wa Burundi na Rwanda ila hawakubaliana na genge la wahuni ambao wanafikiri wamepewa uwezo wa kutawala wanyarwanda wenzao eti wakiwaita watwana na wenyewe wakiwa mabwana. Hata kama angekuwa Mhutu anafanya hivi pia tungemwambaia hapana!



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u can be a good novelist but with all you have written here ni pumba tu. i told you either you are in our you are out. Hakuna in between kwenye eac and for that matter in anything and everything. You guys don't know what you want. Mnaenda kwenye mikutano lakini mnakuwa ndio kikwazo kikubwa. Kama mnaona hamko tayari basi kaeni pembeni mpaka mtakapokuwa tayari. Sio kurudisha wenzenu nyuma. Sit on the side and be spectators as you always are.

 

[Zinedine]

u can be a good novelist but with all you have written here ni pumba tu. i told you either you are in our you are out. Hakuna in between kwenye eac and for that matter in anything and everything. You guys don't know what you want. Mnaenda kwenye mikutano lakini mnakuwa ndio kikwazo kikubwa. Kama mnaona hamko tayari basi kaeni pembeni mpaka mtakapokuwa tayari. Sio kurudisha wenzenu nyuma. Sit on the side and be spectators as you always are.

Murutongore, miongoni mwa Kanuni zilizopo kwenye Mkataba wa EAC ni ile ijulikanayo kama "Principle of Variable Geometry". Hii maana yake nini? Na kwanini ipo kwenye Mkataba? Na kwanini nyie Rwanda mlipoingia hamkuipinga kanuni hii?

 

[Kanyafu Nkanwa]

Let us form integration with Chinese and Indians. Achana na hawa jamaa huko west. Wanaweza anza chinjana na kugongana miti muda wowote na kutuletea wakimbizi.

 

[KUTATABHETAKULE]

Nani kawalazimisha. Tumesema kama hamtaki EAC ondokeni hatuwalazimishi. Mbona mnang'ang'ania. Si mmesema haiwafai?

We gave them an inch,now they want to take the whole foot. We should have locked them out of EAC.

 

[murutongore]

We gave them an inch,now they want to take the whole foot. We should have locked them out of EAC.

Unajua tatizo nyie mnadhani EAC ni mali yenu. Hata kama nyie ni waanzilishi it does not mean nyie ndio wenye EAC. Sijasikia wakenya wakilalamika au waganda.

 

[sodoliki]

..Tanzania inasubiri nini kumtimua Dr.Seziraba?

..hivi kweli Dr.Seziraba/Rwanda inaweza kuituhumu Tanzania kwamba ktk EAC tunachuma tusichopanda?

..kwani Rwanda wana mchango gani ktk EAC mpaka wawe na kiburi na dharau kiasi hiki kwa Tanzania?

Akambadili uhuru, then agreement can be done in Tutsi language