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Iconoclastes

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The good thing is Oginga vice President by then, listened highly educated young Nyerere more than an uneducated old man Kenyatta
Nyerere's policies in Tanzania didnt work, definately they would have failed in Kenya as well had the govt borrowed his ideas. In fact Kenya would have been very worse off today.

Jomo Kenyatta listened to the real intellectuals like Tom Mboya.
 

Iconoclastes

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I noticed a repeat of friendship btn Odinga Jnr n JPM n Kenyatta Jnr sidelined again...
Tanzania's sidelining of the Kenyan president and instead siding with the losing opposition is inconsequential.
Kenyatta jnr has more powerful contacts and backers elsewhere across the world. Raila's previously huge international support has somewhat dwindled these days.
 

game over

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Nyerere's policies in Tanzania didnt work, definately they would have failed in Kenya as well had the govt borrowed his ideas. In fact Kenya would have been very worse off today.

Jomo Kenyatta listened to the real intellectuals like Tom Mboya.
Is kenya any better now?
 

Geza Ulole

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It may not be great as it ought to be, but had it adopted ujamaa, it woild have been worse than it is currently.
Really? Capitalism was a failure to Kenya too esp. if u look at the fact communist China is bailing out capitalist Kenya! Ujamaa Tanzania feeding Kenya this is even after being favored by Britons during colonialism. So stop lying to urself...
 

kilam

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It may not be great as it ought to be, but had it adopted ujamaa, it woild have been worse than it is currently.
Ukiulizwa lolote unalolijua kuhusu ujamaa huwezi kujibu, ni sumu mlizolishwa na Mzee Jomo hamna la zaidi.
 

Mwanzi1

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It may not be great as it ought to be, but had it adopted ujamaa, it woild have been worse than it is currently.
But capitalism was not introduced in Kenya to help common Kenyan, it was introduced to help settlers move capital around and expand their wealth.
 

Iconoclastes

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Really? Capitalism was a failure to Kenya too esp. if u look at the fact communist China is bailing out capitalist Kenya! Ujamaa Tanzania feeding Kenya this is even after being favored by Britons during colonialism. So stop lying to urself...
It is not capitalism that really failed Kenya. The problem was the bad governance, during the Moi era in particular which was characterized by widespread corruption, naked doctatorship, tribalism, economic mismanagement.....

You are being dishonest in your reference to China as a communist state, since it had long shed off much of that policy in its economic management and adopted a more capitalistic approach, since 1992. It is from then that it begun to experience the spectacular economic growth, spurred by the size of its population and its vast mineral resources.

Your other dishonesty: Tanzania does not feed Kenya. It is only helping plug the deficit for maize which is used to prepare the Kenyan staple dish ugali. Kenya in dact pays for the maize.

It is business, not charity.
 

Iconoclastes

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But capitalism was not introduced in Kenya to help common Kenyan, it was introduced to help settlers move capital around and expand their wealth.
It was adopted by the Kenyan govt in 1967, around the same period Tanzania adopted the Azimio la Arusha economic plan.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...ggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNHafvg0nOUTrN0Lf3ylYzu9sn8bLg

The Kenya govt saw it as the only possible way to achieve fast economic growth and end poverty in Kenya, a decision informed after a close observation and comparisons of the achievements of bith the free market system and communism in various countries.

It however didnt achieve its objectives entirely bcos the leaders failed to stick to the latter of tgat policy document.
 

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