- Mkulu Nzoka, haya kula dataz zaidi hapa, unaona Yanga walivyoweza kushika ubingwa wa Afrika Mashariki mara tatu enzi hizo kama tulivyokuambia, vipi wachezaji wa siku hizi wameshinda mara ngapi mkuu? Si umesema mwenyewe namba zinajisema zenyewe, nilikuambia mkuu tulikuwepo sio tu ya kutafuta google!Young Africans FC is a Tanzanian football club based in Dar Es Salaam. Their home games are played at Benjamin Mkapa National Stadium. Young Africans (or Yanga as it is locally known) is one of the two biggest teams in Tanzanian football, their archrivals being Simba SC. Both teams are based in Dar Es Salaam. The team's colors are yellow and green. Yanga has won slightly more Tanzanian Premier League titles than Simba SC. However, Simba has fared much better on the continental stage than their archrivals.
[edit] Achievements
1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1974, 1981, 1983, 1987, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009
1975, 1994, 1999, 2000
1975, 1993, 1999 [edit] Performance in CAF Competitions
1997 - Preliminary Round1998 - Group Stage 2001 - Second Round2006 - Preliminary Round 2007 - Second Round2009 - First Round
- CAF Champions League: 6 appearances
1969: Quarter-Final1970: Quarter-Final1971: withdrew in Second Round1972: First Round 1973: First Round1975: Second Round1982: Second Round1984: First Round 1988: First Round1992: First Round1996: Preliminary Round
- African Cup of Champions Clubs: 11 appearances
2007 - Intermediate Round2008 - Second Round
- CAF Confederation Cup: 2 appearances
1995 - Quarter-Final2000 - First Round
- CAF Cup Winners' Cup: 2 appearances
1994 - First Round1999 - First Round
- CAF Cup: 1 appearance
Wee FMES ukumbi wako ni siasa huku kwenye sport upo kweli? Inasemekana wewe ni Liverfool hahahahaha pole sana mwaka huuu! LOL
Mkuu,
Namba zinakusuta. Kwanza, Gossage cup ilikuwa ni nchi Kenya, Uganda, Tanganyika and Zanzibar. Huwezi ukatamba we mkali wa mpira kwa kushinda kakombe ka timu 4. Waliotawala ni Uganda hands down (SO TANZANIA HAS NEVER EVER BEEN DOMINANT.....YOU MEASURE DOMINANCE BY TROPHIES, and obviously Tanzania Fail miserably). CECAFA ikaongeza timu zaidi, Old skool yako imeshinda 1974, New school wameshinda 1994. Yaani 70s and 80s mmeshinda moja, 90s and 00s tumeshinda moja (Ngoma droo). Wachezaji uliowasifia ni wa 70s na 80s (on a national team level). Mimi naowajua nikawaona wenyewe ni wa late 80s and 90s, decade hii nawajua wachache.
Discussiion yangu imeeanza hivi; Nimeona listi ya wachezaji wa late 80s na early 90s wanasifiwa, nika-argue, hawana standard ya kuitwa ni wakali. Watu wengine wakaunganisha na list ya early 80s na 70s, ndio nikasema wait a minute......if i know the players they list as greats from the late 80s or 90s (while I know they are not), then there must be something wrong with the players in the 70s etc. Wewe ndio ukaja na argument ya vikombe walivyoshinda, sijui kucheza Ulaya. Data za Gossage Cup na CECAFA zinakusuta!! Kina Dilunga, Sembuli, Manara hawajacheza 90s lol. Manaras played at small teams, and they didnt leave a legacy, zaidi ya kuwa wachezaji wa kwanza Tanzania kucheza Ulaya!!
Now, umeenda ukavuta data za Club championships, nazo ndio zinazidi kukuadhiri!!
Simba wameshinda once CECAFA in the 70s.........lakini wameshinda 4 times in the 90s!! LOL.
Yanga wameshinda once in the 70s, na 2 times in the 90s.......
Now, tell me, who is fudging the data? Mkuu sio politics hii. Whether napata data google au wewe kuwepo kipindi cha 70s n 80s, makes no difference whatsoever, Data ni Data!! Nilikuwepos late 80s, 90s and now......and the data shows 90s have performed better!!
Tanzania has always been mediocre!! Jamani, watueni mizigo vijana wa siku hizi, mungu akijalia watafika mbali na kuperform vizuri zaidi. Na muache nyimbo zenu eti zamani ndo tulikuwa tunajua kucheza mpira. Lets stop celebrating MEDIOCRITY, cos thats all we are good at.
Atleast ungesema Athletics ningekubali; Nyambuis, Filbert Bayi's etc.
If we now can have Hasheem in the NBA, we will soon have footballers in the Premiership and other top European Leagues. Talent zipo.
1.Athumani Mambosasa-If in doubt ask any Egypt's Mehalla el- Kubra 1970's fan.
2. Sunday Manara-First ever Tanzanian footballer to play professional in Europe.
3.Abdallah Kibadeni-Simply King.
4. Gibson Sembuli-Hot shoot Hamish.
5. Maulidi Dilunga-African 11 Captain.
6. Omary Mahadhi-Tanzania One(Original)
7. Zamoyoni Mogella-Golden Boy
8. Gobos-Pioneer
9. Omary Gumbo-Zilipendwa
10. Omary Hussaini-Keegan
- Mkuu naona una something more than hii debate ya mpira, kama ni ushindi basi ngoja nikupe, maana sielewi unachozidi kubisha, unabisha nini?
- Swali la Mada ni nani the best ever katika soccer la Tanzania?
1. Jibu langu ni kwamba Maulidi Dilunga na Mahadhi, wanashika namba moja kwa sababu wao ndio wachezaji wa kwanza Tanzania kuchaguliwa kushiriki kwenye timu ya Africa, na since then hajatokea mwingine tena nchini kuweza kuchagulwia timu ya Africa.
2. Futhermore, nikasema wachezaji wa zamani walikuwa better kuliko wa sasa kwa sababu, wao waliweza kushinda vikombe vingi vya mashindano ya East Africa, kwenye Clubs na National kuliko wa sasa, Yanga wameshinda mara tatu, Simba wameshinda mara tano, sasa je wachezaji wa sasa wameshinda nini? sioni ukitoa majibu!
3. Then again, nikasema National ya zamani ilishinda mara nyingi kombe la Challenge na hata kufikia finali ya Africa kule Lagos, lakini wa sasa wameshindwa, sasa sielewi unachojaribu ku-argue ni nini hasa mkuu?
4. Also, nikamalizia kwa kusema kwamba Sunday Manara na Kassim Manara, ndio wachezaji wa kwanza Tanzania kucheza Europe, kama professionals na since then hatujasikia mbongo yoyote akicheza huko as a pro, meaning kwamba wachezaji wa zamani walikuwa bomba kuliko wa sasa, bado una argue tu,
I mean off course kama unavyosema hii sio siasa maana ukweli hapa unajisema wenyewe, kwamba nani walikuwa bora unless unasema Mwaka 1980 tulipoenda Lagos, walicheza kina Lunyimila na George Masatu, they did not, waliotupeleka kule ni:-
1. Jumapondamali/Idd Pazi.
2. Juma Shabaan.
3. Mohamed Kajole.
4. Aloo Mwitu.
5. Jella Mtagwa/Leopord Mukebezi.
6. Adolf Rishard.
7. Shabaan Katwila
8. Zamoyoni Mogella.
9. Peter Tino/Jummane Masuminti.
10. Omar Hussein.
11. George Kulagwa.
- Sasa mkuu ukisema hawa ni wachezaji wa sasa, then utakuwa sawa, lakini otherwise bado I stand on my argument kwamba namba za zamani ni nyingi mno kuliko za wachezaji wa sasa, meaning kwamba walikuwa bora zaidi kuliko wa sasa.
Respect.
FMEs!
Simba na Yanga wameshinda vikombe 90s mara nyingi zaidi ya hiyo list ya Stars in 1980. So kama kushinda makombe ndio kuwa na wachezaji wazuri.....mbona list yako haina wachezaji kama kina Athumani China aliyechezea Walsall UK in the 90s? Ina maana Edibily kacheza mwaka gani? Katengeneza jina 90s. Late 80s nimemwona anacheza UMISETA nyamagana kama sikosei.
Dont get it twisted. Ubishi wa kisiasa......dude dont force it.
We Mauza uza, uko ughaibuni ya wapi lol....you cant analyse s.hi.te, kazi kukashifu tu. Hujajibu maswali niliyokuuliza. All you do is jump on FMES, thingy!! Haaa.
I will be back. Am busy.
SIMPLE QUESTIONS:
1) How many games did the so greatest team of Tanzania play to qualify for the 1980 African Nations Cup?
2) IF they were so great, why didnt they qualify for the 70s finals, and every 2 years after 1980? si wachezaji wale wale?
3) If Tanzania was so great, why has Uganda and Kenya won more CECAFA and Gossage cups? So how did we dominate them?
4) FMES dont get it twisted........I repeat Yanga and Simba won more cups in the 90s and ur so great players of 80s and 70s won less!! I told you before, I am a late 80s, 90s kid....even though I think they were average.....I still DEFEND THEM OVER YOU SO CALLED GREATS kina Manara and co. After 92, the qualification to African Nations cup is more difficult.
5) Above all tunajisifia kushinda vikombe vya CECAFA. Je klabu bingwa Africa tumeshinda lini? Siku tukianza kuwatoa Wa-Misri, ndio tutakuwa tunajua mpira.
No one rembers losers, no one remembers third places........FOR A LONG TIME YOU OLDIES HAVE ALWAYS FILLED US WITH YOUR FANTASY...AMAZING 60s AND 70s FOOTBALL.........A CLOSE SCRUTINY PROVES OTHERWISE........
I will do my outmost best to get the videos of the 1980 Finals.
HAHAHAAAAA............kumbe story nilizokuwa nadanganywa utotoni sijui kina Sembuli, sijui Manara computer hazikuwa zinaleta makombe yoyote kimataifa.
Kuhusu modern players ambao hawajashinda makombe ndio kuna kina Henry Joseph wanacheza Sweden. Ujinga uliopo Tanzania, huyo kijana mwingine wa Simba kapata mchongo Sweden ligi kuu, Simba wanataka kumzibia wanapeleka jina lake kwenye usajili wao. Haya, Ngassa alipata trials West Ham. Kina Kali wanajitahidi huko Sweden, atleast hata uki-google unawaona. Hao kina Manara huwaoni. Kuna dogo wa Kikwa, dogo alikua Youth System ya Ajax, akaumia. Sijui kama aliendelea mpira au vipi. Kuna Mkandawire anacheza UK. Kuna dogo yuko Youth system Chelsea.....Na wengine wapo wengi tu ambao nawajua mtakuja kuwasikia tu wakibanana.......Now tell me, how many of those old players even managed to play even in lower leagues in Europe?
- Mkuu unasema mengi sana, lakini unashindwa kujibu swala dogo sana, ni kwamba Tanzania tuna ishus za soccer ambazo ni iconic, kwa mfano Taifa Stars kufika finali ya African Cup kwa National Teams za Africa, na Maulidi Dilunga na Omar Mahadhi kuchezea African Team, sasa ukiweza kujibu iwapo haya yametokea karibuni, basi hatutakuwa na ubishi zaidi mkuu,
- Sunday na Kassim Manara ni wa-Tanzania wa kwanza kucheza pro, sasa you can jump and cry lakini huwezi badili haya mpaka wachezaji wetu wa sasa watakapofikia hii level. Hapa hamna ugomvi ila tunaelimishana tu tulikotoka!
Respect.
FMEs!
Naomba ujibu maswali yangu hapa chini;
Na mimi najibu maswali yako;
1. Kupeleka wachezaji wawili au mmoja out of 8 teams in the finals on a combo team is an ok return. Sijakataa sio achievement. Ukijibu maswali yangu hapo juu utaona this was nothing spesho.
2. Manaras can be the 1st, but walicheza timu average zisizokuwa na historia. Infact hata hujui club gani (Kassim Manara) wala mechi ngapi walicheza. Being first without notable achievement is nothing special.
Sasa naomba unijibu maswali yangu hapo juu. Hao kina Manara ni 70s au 90s? LOL.
Jibu maswali, usikimbie na kubadilisha direction kama ule mchongo wako wa kupeleka watu majuu kufanya kazi. Au Mauza uza ndio ulipata tripu ya ughaibuni?
SIMPLE QUESTIONS:
1) How many games did the so greatest team of Tanzania play to qualify for the 1980 African Nations Cup?
2) IF they were so great, why didnt they qualify for the 70s finals, and every 2 years after 1980? si wachezaji wale wale?
3) If Tanzania was so great, why has Uganda and Kenya won more CECAFA and Gossage cups? So how did we dominate them?
4) FMES dont get it twisted........I repeat Yanga and Simba won more cups in the 90s and ur so great players of 80s and 70s won less!! I told you before, I am a late 80s, 90s kid....even though I think they were average.....I still DEFEND THEM OVER YOU SO CALLED GREATS kina Manara and co. After 92, the qualification to African Nations cup is more difficult.
5) Above all tunajisifia kushinda vikombe vya CECAFA. Je klabu bingwa Africa tumeshinda lini? Siku tukianza kuwatoa Wa-Misri, ndio tutakuwa tunajua mpira.
No one rembers losers, no one remembers third places........FOR A LONG TIME YOU OLDIES HAVE ALWAYS FILLED US WITH YOUR FANTASY...AMAZING 60s AND 70s FOOTBALL.........A CLOSE SCRUTINY PROVES OTHERWISE........
I will do my outmost best to get the videos of the 1980 Finals.
HAHAHAAAAA............kumbe story nilizokuwa nadanganywa utotoni sijui kina Sembuli, sijui Manara computer hazikuwa zinaleta makombe yoyote kimataifa.
Kuhusu modern players ambao hawajashinda makombe ndio kuna kina Henry Joseph wanacheza Sweden. Ujinga uliopo Tanzania, huyo kijana mwingine wa Simba kapata mchongo Sweden ligi kuu, Simba wanataka kumzibia wanapeleka jina lake kwenye usajili wao. Haya, Ngassa alipata trials West Ham. Kina Kali wanajitahidi huko Sweden, atleast hata uki-google unawaona. Hao kina Manara huwaoni. Kuna dogo wa Kikwa, dogo alikua Youth System ya Ajax, akaumia. Sijui kama aliendelea mpira au vipi. Kuna Mkandawire anacheza UK. Kuna dogo yuko Youth system Chelsea.....Na wengine wapo wengi tu ambao nawajua mtakuja kuwasikia tu wakibanana.......Now tell me, how many of those old players even managed to play even in lower leagues in Europe?
nini kuhusu George Masatu,Abeid Mziba,Salum Kabunda{Ninja},Damian Kimti,Dua Said,fumo felicianWacha kabisa. Yaani orodha yako haina jina la Nicodemus Njohole - are you serious
11. Peter Tino
12. Ramadhani Mtemi
13. Kocha Mchezaji - Hassani Hafif
14. Ardolph Rishard
15. Leodgar Tenga
16. Jela Mtagwa
17. Mohammedi Kajole
18. Ahmed Amasha
Guys,
Everyone will come up with his list, our problem we don't have statistics to justify our selection, sasa kama unataja top ten yako bila kutoa vigezo inakuwa utata.
Kwa mfano tumchukulie Hamis Thobias Gaga, lazima uje na vitu kama hivi
a. Mchezaji kacheza game ngapi za ushindani
b. Ngapi alianza na ngapi kaingia kama sub
c. Kafunga magoli mangapi, na ameassist magoli mangapi katika position yake.
d. Position alizocheza akiwa uwanjani
d. Complete pass ni ngapi, Tackles fyongo ngapi na sahihi ni ngapi
e. Red cards, Yellow etc...
Sasa hapa kila mtu anakuja na list yake kutoa vigezo inakuwa shughuli. kwa hiyo mi naona bila guide tutakuwa tunapoteza muda tu. Labda tungepata mwana JF aliye TFF atueleze kama wana records za hawa wachezaji.
Juzi niliuliza swali dogo tu, Yupi ni Tanzania Premiership Top scorer ever? hatujui hata TFF sidhani kama wana record hizi.
Suggestions:-
TFF anzeni kuweka kumbukumbu, hadi hizi kadi tu huwa zinatela utata mara kwa mara kwa mfano nani ana kadi nyekundu nyingi Simba anayeshika record? (Mnazo lakini sidhani kama zinakidhi viwango vya kimataifa)
Club anzeni pia kuweka zetu pia, fungueni vitengo vya mawasiliano kwa njia ya komputa ICTwatu wapo kibao wa kuwafanyia design na implemtation ya hizo database, ni muhimu sana kwa soccer la kisasa.
Wachezaji binafsi pia anzeni kuweka record zenu, kwa mfano nikimuuliza Kaseja sasa hivi amecheza game ngapi, Clean sheet ngapi tangu aanze kucheza ligi, ngapi anazo alipokuwa yanga, na anazo ngapi muda wote akiwa Simba, ataniambia nimpe muda atafute.
Unapotaka kucheza soka la wenzetu, swali la kwanza utaulizwa ni Umri na Pili ni data hizo zote nilizozitolea mfano as your C.V.
I think its time now to implement ICT in soccer, najua zipo ila siyo strong ki vile.
weee **** unapoangalia wachezaji wetu kuanza kucheza lini ulaya lazima pia uangalie watu weusi walianza lini kuingia kucheza huko sio unajump tuu kwenye conclusion eti these days wabongo wengi wanacheza au wako kwenye trials. siku hizi ni easy kulinganisha na zamani.Lakini UTAKE au USITAKE wachezaji wetu wa zamani walikuwa wako juu sio sasa na hapo tunaongelea 70's,80's na 90's sio hawa bongo flava.
FYI mie nimeondoka bongo kabla hata wewe hujaingia mujini(Dar) toka Ikombandulu na mpira naujua sio wa kubahatisha kaa wako.
SIMPLE QUESTIONS:
1) How many games did the so greatest team of Tanzania play to qualify for the 1980 African Nations Cup?
2) IF they were so great, why didnt they qualify for the 70s finals, and every 2 years after 1980? si wachezaji wale wale?
3) If Tanzania was so great, why has Uganda and Kenya won more CECAFA and Gossage cups? So how did we dominate them?
4) FMES dont get it twisted........I repeat Yanga and Simba won more cups in the 90s and ur so great players of 80s and 70s won less!! I told you before, I am a late 80s, 90s kid....even though I think they were average.....I still DEFEND THEM OVER YOU SO CALLED GREATS kina Manara and co. After 92, the qualification to African Nations cup is more difficult.
5) Above all tunajisifia kushinda vikombe vya CECAFA. Je klabu bingwa Africa tumeshinda lini? Siku tukianza kuwatoa Wa-Misri, ndio tutakuwa tunajua mpira.
No one rembers losers, no one remembers third places........FOR A LONG TIME YOU OLDIES HAVE ALWAYS FILLED US WITH YOUR FANTASY...AMAZING 60s AND 70s FOOTBALL.........A CLOSE SCRUTINY PROVES OTHERWISE........
I will do my outmost best to get the videos of the 1980 Finals.
HAHAHAAAAA............kumbe story nilizokuwa nadanganywa utotoni sijui kina Sembuli, sijui Manara computer hazikuwa zinaleta makombe yoyote kimataifa.
Kuhusu modern players ambao hawajashinda makombe ndio kuna kina Henry Joseph wanacheza Sweden. Ujinga uliopo Tanzania, huyo kijana mwingine wa Simba kapata mchongo Sweden ligi kuu, Simba wanataka kumzibia wanapeleka jina lake kwenye usajili wao. Haya, Ngassa alipata trials West Ham. Kina Kali wanajitahidi huko Sweden, atleast hata uki-google unawaona. Hao kina Manara huwaoni. Kuna dogo wa Kikwa, dogo alikua Youth System ya Ajax, akaumia. Sijui kama aliendelea mpira au vipi. Kuna Mkandawire anacheza UK. Kuna dogo yuko Youth system Chelsea.....Na wengine wapo wengi tu ambao nawajua mtakuja kuwasikia tu wakibanana.......Now tell me, how many of those old players even managed to play even in lower leagues in Europe?
- Manaras walikuwa ni kwanza kucheza nje as pro, na ilikuwa ni mwishoni mwa 70s, kwenda early 80s.
- Mradi wakazi una thread yake, hapa ni mpira hivi ndio tunaita viroja watu wanapoishiwa hoja, kila kitu na mahali pake mkuu, Bwa! ha! ha! ha!
- Wachezaji wa zamani walifika Finali ya Africa Cup, wa sasa wameshindwa, Dilunga na Mahadhi wamecheza All African Team wa sasa wameshindwa hizi ni simply facts, nothing to do mradi wa kazi majuu!
Respect.
FMEs!