Who brought development in Rwanda?

[mchambawima1]

RwandAir wana ndege ngapi kwa sasa? Njooni Tanzania mfaidi Demokrasia na umasikini wake juu.

Wenzenu tunagombani FITO ili kupeperusha bendera na siyo kujenga nchi. Mwisho tunadundana mawe....

aksante Mkuu! hizo demokrasia za kizushi zikiambatanishwa na chuki, zilipelekea watu wetu million 1 kuuwawa eti kwa sababu "majority rules" yaani miafrica inafikiria eti democracy ni kujiamlia lolote atakalo, jMali sasa sijui sheria zinatungwa kwa nini kama kila kitu ni ruksa? really democracy comes with responsibilities and accountability Cc: jMali, MOTOCHINI, JustDoItNow, bona

 

[jMali]

mchambawima1 Post imetoa FACTS ambazo hujazibishia, badala yake unafanya trolling/spamming. Kama huna cha kujibu ni bora ukakaa kimya tu.

cc: Invisible

 

[jMali]

you real need prayers dear Niwemugizibanabi! so since the independence in 1962 until 1994(before you fled the country to DRC) you think it was not your government duty to build those basic infrastructure? you will find them everywhere in the world, even Somali which is at war for almost 3 decades to date, I can guarantee you, they have all those you mentioned... "bread today, freedom tomorrow?" what about "bread tomorrow and freedom tomorrow?" remember this is what was happening to Tutsis back then! a million of them never seen that "tomorrow" Mr Niwemugizibanabi... help me please, you mean freedom of the people to kill others? no thanks!
the problem is; most of you don't dare to Rwanda and see the real developments, listening to jMali's propaganda will keep you in the hiding while here in Rwanda we forgive even people like Rwarakabije if they properly ask for forgiveness... talking of achievements? here we go #250Achieved...

Uko busy kusema mimi naleta propaganda, while almost 100% of whatever i post on Rwanda is not mine but works of others like the UN and BBC. Kwa nini zisiwe propaganda wakitoa wao lakini ziwe propaganda akizitoa jmali? btw, hujawahi hata siku moja kufanikiwa kupinga hizo 'propaganda' kwa hoja, mwenye akili lazima ajiulize je ni kweli ni propaganda au ndio ukweli wenyewe? Propaganda gani hizo ambazo haziwezi kujibika?
Hata hapa unaonyesha mfano. Hoja imeletwa kwa FACTS, wewe badala ya kupinga kwa FACTS zako, wewe unaanza kuingiza genocide na jmali. Did the post mention genocide or jmali anywhere mr mchamba? As a result, hata ukijtahidi vipi kututoa kwenye reli, bado hoja za kwenye post zinabaki pale pale!

 

[jMali]

aksante Mkuu! hizo demokrasia za kizushi zikiambatanishwa na chuki, zilipelekea watu wetu million 1 kuuwawa eti kwa sababu "majority rules" yaani miafrica inafikiria eti democracy ni kujiamlia lolote atakalo, jMali sasa sijui sheria zinatungwa kwa nini kama kila kitu ni ruksa? really democracy comes with responsibilities and accountability Cc: jMali, MOTOCHINI, JustDoItNow, bona

Mi nadhani mashambulizi ya miaka minne (1990-1994) targeting the majority tribe, plus kutunguliwa ndege ya Rais wa hilo hilo majority tribe ndio kulikopelekea mauaji ya watu. Na hayo sio maneno yangu bali ya jaji wa mahakama ya ufaransa. Wewe hiyo theory yako ya democracy hebu ithibitishe kwa hoja.

 

[murutongore]

kudos mkuu Niwemugizi hili bonge la post. Haya watani wa jadi mchambawima1, Koba, murutongore karibuni kupinga hizi FACTS! Na tafadhali msitupotezee muda kumchambua aliyeleta (interahamwe, FDLR, French...), let us decide about his/her personality based on what FACTS you are able to refute.

hahahahaha....

 

[Iconoclastes]

Peace, stability, unity, reconciliation and economic growth. These are the foundations for real development, Niwemugizi.
Habyarimana may have built all those facilities, but amidst widespread instability. In the end, they only served as death traps for hundreds of thousands of innocent pipo.
Without the political stability, all those were just superficial development projects that served no meaningful purpose during his regime.

I think it's only fair that we credit Mr. Kagame for the political sanity that Rwanda enjoys today, his shortcomings notwithstanding.

 

[jMali]

Peace, stability, unity, reconciliation and economic growth. These are the foundations for real development, Niwemugizi.
Habyarimana may have built all those facilities, but amidst widespread instability. In the end, they only served as death traps for hundreds of thousands of innocent pipo.
Without the political stability, all those were just superficial development projects that served no meaningful purpose during his regime.

I think it's only fair that we credit Mr. Kagame for the political sanity that Rwanda enjoys today, his shortcomings notwithstanding.

Please tell us who brought this instability that habyarimana faced. Because history says it was RPA with Kagame in it who caused it by attacking a peaceful nation from Uganda. It is therefore doesn't make sense when you credit Kagame for any 'sanity' afterwards.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Please tell us who brought this instability that habyarimana faced. Because history says it was RPA with Kagame in it who caused it by attacking a peaceful nation from Uganda. It is therefore doesn't make sense when you credit Kagame for any 'sanity' afterwards.

The hutu hardliners attitude acted as a fodder for the tutsis armed revolt.
They were decidedly opposed to the inclusion of the tutsis in the running of the affairs of that country. The strife was only inevitable.

But Mr. Kagame has tried to create an all inclusive society.
Hutu or tutsi revolt is very unlikely now more than ever in Rwandan history.

 

[jMali]

The hutu hardliners attitude acted as a fodder for the tutsis armed revolt.
They were decidedly opposed to the inclusion of the tutsis in the running of the affairs of that country. The strife was only inevitable.

Your words show that you don't know what you are talking about. You better brush up on your Rwandan history.

1. Kagame/RPA WERE NOT RWANDAN SOLDIERS AND HAD NEVER BEEN. They were Ugandan soldiers under Museveni. They revolted from the Ugandan army not Rwandan army.

2. Tutsi rebel groups like RPA started attacking Rwanda immediately after the 1958 Hutu revolution that overthrew their Kingdom. So its not true that they only started in 1990 because the Hutus excluded them. For example go read about the infamous Aloys Ngurumbe, the leader of Tutsi rebels in 1961 to 1968. Although i would agree that Habyarimana's regime used Tutsis as political fodder to further his dictatorship.

 

[mtana76]

Who brought development in Kigali ?

 

[Iconoclastes]

Your words show that you don't know what you are talking about. You better brush up on your Rwandan history.

1. Kagame/RPA WERE NOT RWANDAN SOLDIERS AND HAD NEVER BEEN. They were Ugandan soldiers under Museveni. They revolted from the Ugandan army not Rwandan army.

2. Tutsi rebel groups like RPA started attacking Rwanda immediately after the 1958 Hutu revolution that overthrew their Kingdom. So its not true that they only started in 1990 because the Hutus excluded them. For example go read about the infamous Aloys Ngurumbe, the leader of Tutsi rebels in 1961 to 1968. Although i would agree that Habyarimana's regime used Tutsis as political fodder to further his dictatorship.

I admit that I am not very well versed with Rwandan history and the genesis of their conflicts which begun even before independence. But no one can deny that it was the inter-ethnic competition that fed the animosity.
President Kagame has tried to rebuild the society devoid of the historic ethnic bias.

 

[jMali]

I admit that I am not very well versed with Rwandan history and the genesis of their conflicts which begun even before independence. But no one can deny that it was the inter-ethnic competition that fed the animosity.
President Kagame has tried to rebuild the society devoid of the historic ethnic bias.

First thanks you very much for being civilized enough to admit your ignorance of Rwanda's history. Second, yes we do agree Rwandans have tribal problems. But third, i beg to differ with you, Kagame if anything is fueling the hate, he is just masking the problems by dictatorship just like Saddam did in Iraq. Sunnis and Shias seemed to be getting along when he was there, but immediately after he was gone they started butchering each other. Dictatorship is never a solution. The real solution as has been adviced by many more intelligent people than me is a truth and reconciliation commission like the one they had in South africa after the end of apartheid.

 

[mchambawima1]

First thanks you very much for being civilized enough to admit your ignorance of Rwanda's history. Second, yes we do agree Rwandans have tribal problems. But third, i beg to differ with you, Kagame if anything is fueling the hate, he is just masking the problems by dictatorship just like Saddam did in Iraq. Sunnis and Shias seemed to be getting along when he was there, but immediately after he was gone they started butchering each other. Dictatorship is never a solution. The real solution as has been adviced by many more intelligent people than me is a truth and reconciliation commission like the one they had in South africa after the end of apartheid.

Kwanza naomba nianze kwa kukupa pole za dhati na salam za lambilambi! nasikia Kamanda Rev. Mtikila(RIP) amefariki dunia? enhe jMali turudi kwenye mambo yetu mi naona hapo ndipo unapo haribu mambo! umeanza kwa kumfagilia halafu ukaanza kumfeed upumbavu wako wa kila siku, nani kakuambia Rwanda tunamatatizo ya ukabila? tulikuwa nayo lakini hivi tushaanza kuona matunda ya kuishi kwa pamoja na kushindana kimahalifa... wakati huyo mjomba wako Habyarimana alikuwa akibaguwa wananchi wake, nakusema eti nchi imejaa wakati hata wale alionao akiwakandamiza... huyu kamanda mpya anawakumbushia kwamba eti ni njaa ndio inayowafanya wakumbuke ukabila, na ni kweli hebu nenda kwa ndugu zako wa kule Northern part ya Rwanda, hakuna mtu anayewazidi utajiri ndani ya Rwanda! mtu kama wewe wakikuona unawaletea huo upumbavu wako watakunyonya macho.
anyway, najuwa hawa (Iconoclastes na MK254) wakenya kweli ni wastaarabu... na ndio maana penye ukweli wanakukumbusha! tatizo lako nipale unapoaanza kuwaandama eti ni watutsi kisa eti wanayafagilia maendeleo ya Rwanda... ukweli ni ukweli tu hata ukileta mawazo yako ya ki Interahamwe hautageuka, kwa taharifa yako tunasonga mbele labda kama umegeuka kiziwi na kipofu tokea kipindi ulipokimbia kwenu! Rwanda kuna maendeleo kemkem! unaishi dunia gani wewe kiasi kwamba hauyaoni? hawa wakenya wanakuonea haibu ndio maana wana kustahi... ila kwangu sahau, labda ujitenge na chuki!
turudi kwenye mada "maendeleo" but pleasssssssss! sanity and be honest to your self (uinterahamwe kando)

 

[Koba]

Jmali na washamba wenzako mna tabu sana,angalia life expectancy in Rwanda now almost 65years na inaongoza all of East Africa na ujue watu wanaishi maisha marefu for good reasons(maendeleo),Rwanda ya leo sio kile kijiji chenu cha wauaji with extreme poverty pre 94 ambako kuishi beyond 40yrs was a dream...numbers don't lie check the scoreboard in health,education etc then uje na ule wimbo wako wamelipwa na Kagame

 

[jMali]

Kwanza naomba nianze kwa kukupa pole za dhati na salam za lambilambi! nasikia Kamanda Rev. Mtikila(RIP) amefariki dunia? enhe jMali turudi kwenye mambo yetu mi naona hapo ndipo unapo haribu mambo! umeanza kwa kumfagilia halafu ukaanza kumfeed upumbavu wako wa kila siku, nani kakuambia Rwanda tunamatatizo ya ukabila? tulikuwa nayo lakini hivi tushaanza kuona matunda ya kuishi kwa pamoja na kushindana kimahalifa... wakati huyo mjomba wako Habyarimana alikuwa akibaguwa wananchi wake, nakusema eti nchi imejaa wakati hata wale alionao akiwakandamiza... huyu kamanda mpya anawakumbushia kwamba eti ni njaa ndio inayowafanya wakumbuke ukabila, na ni kweli hebu nenda kwa ndugu zako wa kule Northern part ya Rwanda, hakuna mtu anayewazidi utajiri ndani ya Rwanda! mtu kama wewe wakikuona unawaletea huo upumbavu wako watakunyonya macho.
anyway, najuwa hawa (Iconoclastes na MK254) wakenya kweli ni wastaarabu... na ndio maana penye ukweli wanakukumbusha! tatizo lako nipale unapoaanza kuwaandama eti ni watutsi kisa eti wanayafagilia maendeleo ya Rwanda... ukweli ni ukweli tu hata ukileta mawazo yako ya ki Interahamwe hautageuka, kwa taharifa yako tunasonga mbele labda kama umegeuka kiziwi na kipofu tokea kipindi ulipokimbia kwenu! Rwanda kuna maendeleo kemkem! unaishi dunia gani wewe kiasi kwamba hauyaoni? hawa wakenya wanakuonea haibu ndio maana wana kustahi... ila kwangu sahau, labda ujitenge na chuki!
turudi kwenye mada "maendeleo" but pleasssssssss! sanity and be honest to your self (uinterahamwe kando)

1. Ni rambirambi sio "lambilambi", bibi faiza akikuona lazima akuchulie hatua.
2. Hayo mengine sitajibu, how does one respond to insults anyway? Ukiendelea ku-insist kuwa mimi ni mnyarwanda mwenzio ndio itakuwa kweli? lets say umeshinda like always. Ila kwa vile umetaja wakenya kina MK254 na mwenzake, let me direct you to twitter ukasome hashtag someonetellkagame ili uone mawazo ya wakenya wengine zaidi ya wale wachache hapa JF. Je na hawa nao utawaita interahamwe/wahutu kama unavyoniita mimi?

 

[jMali]

Jmali na washamba wenzako mna tabu sana,angalia life expectancy in Rwanda now almost 65years na inaongoza all of East Africa na ujue watu wanaishi maisha marefu for good reasons(maendeleo),Rwanda ya leo sio kile kijiji chenu cha wauaji with extreme poverty pre 94 ambako kuishi beyond 40yrs was a dream...numbers don't lie check the scoreboard in health,education etc then uje na ule wimbo wako wamelipwa na Kagame

You can't even properly tag someone halafu unaita watu washamba? sasa kama life expectancy in Rwanda is as good as you say, what are you doing in USA?

 

[murutongore]

You can't even properly tag someone halafu unaita watu washamba? sasa kama life expectancy in Rwanda is as good as you say, what are you doing in USA?

Upuuzi mtupu huu...kwani amekuambia alienda kutafuta life expextancy marekani....umeishiwa wewe.

 

[jMali]

Upuuzi mtupu huu...kwani amekuambia alienda kutafuta life expextancy marekani....umeishiwa wewe.

Expectancy chief, expectancy, ...why you mad tho? hahaha, i can imagine una kithembe or something. :wink:

 

[murutongore]

Expectancy chief, expectancy, ...why you mad tho? hahaha, i can imagine una kithembe or something. :wink:

Pole sana kwa kupoteza one of you like minded. Najua sasa hivi umeshaanza kutafuta conspiracy theories of how Kagame killed Mtikila. Ngoja nisubiri hapa tu.

 

[mchambawima1]

1. Ni rambirambi sio "lambilambi", bibi faiza akikuona lazima akuchulie hatua.
2. Hayo mengine sitajibu, how does one respond to insults anyway? Ukiendelea ku-insist kuwa mimi ni mnyarwanda mwenzio ndio itakuwa kweli? lets say umeshinda like always. Ila kwa vile umetaja wakenya kina MK254 na mwenzake, let me direct you to twitter ukasome hashtag someonetellkagame ili uone mawazo ya wakenya wengine zaidi ya wale wachache hapa JF. Je na hawa nao utawaita interahamwe/wahutu kama unavyoniita mimi?

lol! hata wewe umechapia jMali, eti akiniona lazima anichulie hatua? OK hayo pembeni! nakuona kwa mbaaaali jinsi unavyo jipanga utimue, na hilo ndio tatizo lako unaposhindwa ki hoja... wengi hapa huwa unatupiga ban baada ya kukupelekesha lakini hauchelewi kujirudisha na kututafuta mwenyewe pale unapo pata bahati ya kuokoteza vijireport vya kizushi kama alivyo kuja navyo ndugu yako mugizibanabi!
kukimbia ukweli ndio mojawapo ya mambo yanayokufanya usirudi kwenu jMali! haya hebu niambie hao wakenya kwani wanasemaje? hata kama wanaponda si kwa sababu yenu, BBC na media zingine ambapo mnaenda kununua airtime ya kueneza chuki zenu? ipo siku wote watawagundua... nashangaa sana kuona watu wakirubuniwa na mijitu iliyokimbia nchi kwa kuuwa/wizi?
mimi sipo Mbezi jMali ndio maana hata kiswahili nachapia kukiandika... nina miaka mingi natumia kinyarwanda zaidi ya kiswahili, nisamehe kwa hilo! kama unavyojuwa huku kwenu lugha tunazotumia kuandika officially, kiswahili hakimo... labda siku za mbeleni kwani kiswahili nacho ni lugha muhimu sana kwenye hii region yetu.
haya kimbia salama ukitaka usirudi tena kwani hakuna aliye kuomba uje hapa jamiiforum kueneza chuki zako.