What I don't accept is interference - President Paul Kagame, Rwanda

[MUKAMASIMBA]

Wewe jmali,always unaquote wapinzani wa rwanda ambao huandika propaganda,hizo ndege ziko wapi? huo ni uongo wala hauna proof.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

usijipe sifa, Tanzania haiangalii mambo ya Rwanda kihivyo, hiyo kauli ni propaganda za PK tumeshazizoea, mkiambiwa ukweli mnazusha tunawaonea wivu na barabara zenu mbili!

Lakini uliishaona wanyarwanda wanahangaishwa na mambo ya ndani ya tanzania?au mnafikiri mfanyayo ni mazuri,pk ameisha wapa ukweli angalieni yenu,ya rwanda hayawahusu.

 

[Koba]

1.
2. Tanzania is a democracy not a dictatorship......

Tanzania is a REPUBLIC and not DEMOCRACY.

 

[murutongore]

1. Nobody is forcing support down your throat. But at the same time don't interefere with us when we talk to FDLR, RNC either!

2. Tanzania is a democracy not a dictatorship. Not everyone belongs to CCM, like every tutsi belongs to RPF! stop comparing apples and oranges. CUF, Chadema, NCCR etc, are legal entities na wanaoperate kisheria, they don't make anybody's "plate full". eti "mna wapinzani..." ulidhani huku ni kama kwenu ambapo wapinzani ni haramu?

You can talk to the devil for all we care. Just know that there are consequences for your actions. The world knows now who you support. An organization that is listed as a terrorist organization by the US.

 

[jMali]

You can talk to the devil for all we care. Just know that there are consequences for your actions. The world knows now who you support. An organization that is listed as a terrorist organization by the US.

AfroAmerica Network

Was FDLR Ever Designated Terrorist Organization by US Government? Yes. Is It Now? No.

by AfroAmerica Network on June 16, 2013



RwarakabijeOver the last few weeks, heated debates erupted following the recommendation by Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete to the governments of Rwanda, Uganda, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) to hold direct talks with their respective armed opposition.


Photo: FDLR Top Commander General Rwarakabije and Rwandan Military Chief of Staff General James Kabarebe in 2003.

Direct Talks: The Best Way, Says Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete



Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete urged these governments to hold direct talks, as the best way to bring so much needed peace in the Great Lakes Region of Africa after decades of bloodshed, violence, war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. For President Jakaya Kikwete, Rwandan government must talk to its armed opposition, including the Democratic Forces of Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR) rebels, Ugandan government to ADF/NALU rebels, and DRC government to M23 rebels (see our article Talk to Your Armed Opposition, Tanzanian President Kikwete Tells Yoweri Museveni of Uganda, Paul Kagame of Rwanda, and Joseph Kabila of DRC of May 26, 2013 and Tanzanian Jakaya Kikwete and Rwandan Paul Kagame Meet in Japan of June 1, 2013).



The proposal has raised a storm of attacks, insults and character assassination directed against the Tanzanian President Kikwete by Rwandan government top officials: the Rwandan President General Paul Kagame called President Jakaya Kikwete an ignorant Four-Bs ( "an opportunist, attention seeker , arrogant and contemptible person." ) and the Rwandan Foreign Affairs Minister Louise Mushikiwabo accused him of being a genocide and terrorist sympathizer.



Rwandan Hutu Puppet Prime Minister on the Frontline

Even the usually obscure Rwandan Prime Minister Pierre Habumuremyi added to the foray when he stated the following in his opinion comment published by the Rwandan Intelligence Services's owned news media, New Times on June 12, 2013:


"Shockingly, most of their killers are now scot-free in the Eastern part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo that shared a border with Rwanda. There are also others in certain African as well as Western countries. In all those parts of the world the Genocidaires continue to get support and mentorship from different people. Ironically, they (killers) are even getting support from people whom we believed were partners in the fight against the genocide ideology or who are neighbours with whom we have a lot in common.



There are two Rwandan proverbs that state that the one with bad language dies with it and that in every family there is black sheep (Inda ibyara Mweru na Muhima). Indeed, there are some neighbouring countries that used to have good leaders who were champions of African unity, who loved the truth and only truth, who contributed a lot in the fight for independence of African countries to the extent that they were called Fathers of those countries. All we know is that those countries were true friends to Rwanda and its people.



Unfortunately, those Panafrican leaders were not succeeded by people who shared their exemplary leadership qualities."


So even the Rwandan Prime Minister Pierre Habumuremyi, who is widely classified by Western diplomats and independent observers in Kigali, among the puppets and incompetent Hutu government officials appointed by the Rwandan Patriotic Front Government to project an illusion of inclusion (see our article:US Embassy in Rwanda: Power in Hands of a Powerful Tutsi Minority With A Few Incompetent Hutu Figureheads of September 4, 2011) , dared to call the Tanzanian President a mediocre leader, for merely urging dialogue as the best way to solve conflicts.


Jakaya Kikwete and General Paul Kagame: Deadlock?


The problem with Rwandan leaders, including Foreign Affairs Minister Louise Mushikiwabo, Prime Minister Pierre Habumuremyi, and President General Paul Kagame, is that Jakaya Kikwete has something to show and to marry his words to deeds: successful inter-Burundian dialogue in Burundi, successful inter-Mozambique dialogue, and the support of South Africa through the painful transition from apartheid, in which Tanzanian Government played a major role, if not the role of being the peace broker.



To date, there is a deadlock: Rwandan government officials have adamantly said that they will not negotiate with the Rwandan armed group FDLR, whereas the Tanzanian Government stuck to its guns and maintains its recommendation.



The government of Rwanda has maintained that FDLR are terrorists. The problem with this is that the Rwandan government has welcomed the ex-FDLR overall commander, General Rwarakabije, now a top official within the Rwandan government, and many more FDLR top commanders, founding members, and troops. When faced with the "direct talks with FDLR" dilemma and the hypocrisy typified by General Rwarakabije case, the Rwandan Defense Minister

General James Kabarebe recently tweeted:


"I didn't negotiate with Gen Rwarakabije to return,he came at his own will and I facilitated him."

"I will facilitate any FDLR to return,if he abandons genocide ideology.To come and integrate or face justice if he killed"!


The problem is that he lied. He initiated the dialogue with General Paul Rwarakabaje through a Rwandan Intelligence Services operative who had infiltrated FDLR well before its creation and who was later compensated handsomely. But that is the subject of another story and it is not the issue.


Is FDLR-FOCA a Terrorist Organization? That is not question.


Rwandan argues that FDLR is a terrorist group, classified as such by the United Nations (UN) Security Council and Western governments. This is partly true. The UN Security Council never classified FDLR as a terrorist group. However, the UN Security Council did take sanctions against most of the top FDLR political and military leaders since 2009 and recently against FDLR-FOCA as a group.



Western governments took in the past a step further. On April 27, 2005, the U.S. State Department identified 40 Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO) in its annual terrorism report. Among groups identified were the Democratic Liberation Forces of Rwanda (FDLR) and the Ugandan Lord's Resistence Army (LRA)(see here our article USA: Rwandan Rebel Group designated Terrorist by State Department of May 12, 2005).



Since then, the United States has removed FDLR from the list of Foreign Terrorist organizations (FTO) (see US State Department FTO List here). However the United States Government has a special treatment of the FDLR:


First, FDLR was maintained on Department of Treasury Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons List under: "DEMOCRATIC FORCES FOR THE LIBERATION OF RWANDA (a.k.a. COMBATANT FORCE FOR THE LIBERATION OF RWANDA; a.k.a. FDLR; a.k.a. FORCE COMBATTANTE ABACUNGUZI; a.k.a. FORCES DEMOCRATIQUES DE LIBERATION DU RWANDA; a.k.a. "FOCA"), North and South Kivu, Congo, Democratic Republic of the [DRCONGO] (see here).



Second, the list of Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons also includes most of the top FDLR political and military leaders: Ignace Murwanashyaka, Straton Musoni, Callixte Mbarushimana, General Gaston Iyamuremye, General Leodomir Mudacumura (a.k.a. MUPENZI, Bernard; a.k.a. MUPENZI, General Pierre Bernard; a.k.a. "COMMANDANT PHARAON"; a.k.a. "MUKANDA"; a.k.a. "RADJA"), Colonel Fred IRAKEZA (a.k.a. NSANZUBUKIRE, Felicien), General Pacifique NTAWUNGUKA (a.k.a. NTAWUNGULA, Pacifique; a.k.a. "COLONEL OMEGA"; a.k.a. "NZERI"), General Stanislas NZEYIMANA (a.k.a. BIGARUKA IZABAYO, Deogratias; a.k.a. IZABAYO DEO; a.k.a. "BIGARUKA"; a.k.a. "BIGARURA"), Colonel Leopold MUJYAMBERE (a.k.a. IBRAHIM, Frere Petrus; a.k.a. "ACHILLE"; a.k.a. "MUSENYERI") .

Besides, FDLR and all top military and political leaders are on the United Nations Security Council sanctions list.


Finally, two recent developments have highlighted the approach of the West towards FDLR-FOCA:


In April 2013, the US government offered US$5 million for information leading to the arrest, transfer and conviction of Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR) supreme commander, General Sylvestre Mudacumura.

In June 2013, the German Government arrested three FDLR-FOCA sympathizers, known as Bernard T. , Felicien B. and Jean Bosco U.


Hence, to come back to our initial question.

Was FDLR ever a Designated Terrorist Organization by the US Government? Yes.

Is It Now? No.

But its top political and military leaders face several political, diplomatic and security hurdles and most are under sanctions in several countries and at the United Nations.

©2013 AfroAmerica Network. All Rights Reserved.

 

[jMali]

Tanzania is a REPUBLIC and not DEMOCRACY.

speechless!

 

[jMali]

Lakini uliishaona wanyarwanda wanahangaishwa na mambo ya ndani ya tanzania?au mnafikiri mfanyayo ni mazuri,pk ameisha wapa ukweli angalieni yenu,ya rwanda hayawahusu.

na wewe lini uliona tunahangaishwa na ya Rwanda? nyinyi ndio kutwa kuchwa kuleta thread za kumpamba kagame kwenye forum yetu ya JF TANZANIA. kwa nini msianzishe thread yenu huko chigali?

 

[jMali]

Wewe jmali,always unaquote wapinzani wa rwanda ambao huandika propaganda,hizo ndege ziko wapi? huo ni uongo wala hauna proof.

wewe utajuaje wakati wewe mtutsi wa bongo? Mnyarwanda wannabe? unamjua Manaseh Nshuti and what position he has in Rwanda? kama huyu anakubali kuwa jets are there who are you to contend? we uko jikoni zaidi ya presidential advisor? angalia anavyojitetea hapa.

[h=2]S.Africa based luxury jets owned by RPF- Nshuti May 28, 2010
[/h] Posted by Business Daily in Uncategorized.
By Marcel Museminari
Rwandan President Paul Kagame's political party RPF and not the government of Rwanda owns mystery South Africa based luxury jets reported in the South African newspaper Sunday Times of Feb 14, 2010, Business Daily can now reveal.



Rwandan President Paul Kagame's political party RPF and not the government of Rwanda owns mystery South Africa based luxury jets reported in the South African newspaper Sunday Times of Feb 14, 2010, Business Daily can now reveal.



At the time the South African newspaper had reported that ‘Nyirubutama ( first secretary Rwandan Embassy South Africa) said he was appointed as one of the directors of Repli Investments to allow the government to have a say in the operations of the aircraft "for security reasons".



He said his government had decided to base the jets in South Africa because his country did not have the "skills, expertise or knowledge" to maintain them. Both were available for charter when not needed by the Rwandan government.'



One of the directors named in the plane saga, presidential advisor Manasseh Nshuti recently told Business Daily that the planes belonged to RPF's trading arm Tri-Star recently renamed Crystal Ventures.



Challenged if the money to buy the planes could actually have been pilfered from the Central bank BNR, Manasseh Nshuti replied, "there is no way any money to buy those planes – (price tag USD50million each) – could leave the treasury without the World Bank officials embedded in the Central Bank BNR raising alarm," he told this reporter.



The money came ‘from clean sources.' he said, including the sale of shares owned by Tri-Star in MTN Uganda and Rwanda and ‘which were substantial by the way,' Manasseh Nshuti added. Tri-Star or Crystal Ventures have since divested in MTN Rwanda and Uganda and the mystery luxury planes explain where the millions of shares from MTN had been re-invested.



Manasseh Nshuti also debunked the idea that the vast wealth of Tri-Star would be the source of conflict among top RPF members including the top army officers who have since fled, such as Gen. Kayumba Nyamwasa and Karegeya.



He said the original RPF fund was a war chest that helped the ‘liberation war' and was only managed efficiently. Most ventures are strategic ‘to sustain the national rebuilding effort at whatever cost' implying that ‘some ventures are not profitable.'



But Kayumba Nyamwasa without pointing a finger at who exactly owns the planes, in the May 29, BBC Imvo n'Imvano talk show preferred to say ‘they are owned by the one who rides in them,' an indirect reference to President Paul Kagame. Kayumba Nyamwasa accuses Kagame of lack of accountability to the party member claiming that even the RPF party secretary does not know about much about party finances.



It is unlikely that that Kagame or any of the named directors would have declared to the Ombudsman; that they own the two planes worth USD100 million or more this after Kayumba Nyamwasa furnishes new information (believable) that the plane are now fitted with anti-missile technology.



Instead, the luxury planes explain the sophistication of the RPF strategy. President Kagame needs efficient and secure air travel in a country with a history of shooting down a president's plane with missiles. The national budget and embedded World Bank officials in the Central Bank cannot allow it.
So RPF goes to its war chest, buys a world class jet fitted with anti-missile technology as an investment in the security of its leader and efficiency of government operations. This includes transportation of important friends such as former Premier Tony Blair and the galaxy of stars that usually come to market or buy a piece of Rwanda.



Since the RPF leader is also the President of the Republic of Rwanda, then he can charter the planes, instead of some other foreign company with no such security interests. The reports appearing in Umuvugizi.com showing invoices, serves to explain this modus operandi and do not justify any assertion that Kagame owns the jets.



This also explains in part the response by 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Secretary Nyirubutama in South Africa; thus "Nyirubutama this week confirmed that the jets were bought for the use of the Rwandan president, the vice-president and the country's prime minister. "We are from a troubled region that has a troubled history of genocide and civil war. We needed safe, secure and cost-effective planes for my country's VIPs. Security was paramount," he said."



President Kagame has no problem with such a strategy. He told journalists last year that RPF is not the only party that does business. He also got back at some of the critics including post war leaders, claiming that they wore their first suits from the RPF war chest. This is echoed by Manasseh Nshuti who says that for the first few months of the transitional government, the RPF indeed footed the bills of government after a fleeing defeated government had looted the national treasury.



Despite the declared good intentions, critics still ask just where RPF will draw the line in this conflict of interest situation. Kagame might indeed have to take his declared accountability blitz into his own very camp.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

wewe utajuaje wakati wewe mtutsi wa bongo? Mnyarwanda wannabe? unamjua Manaseh Nshuti and what position he has in Rwanda? kama huyu anakubali kuwa jets are there who are you to contend? we uko jikoni zaidi ya presidential advisor? angalia anavyojitetea hapa.

mimi nakuuliza kasema niza kagame?

 

[jMali]

mimi nakuuliza kasema niza kagame?

Hebu pitia your own comment here:

Wewe jmali,always unaquote wapinzani wa rwanda ambao huandika propaganda,hizo ndege ziko wapi? huo ni uongo wala hauna proof.

ndio maana sometimes ngumu sana kujadili na nyinyi watutsi-extremists. Umeshasahau kuwa ulikuwa unabisha THE EXISTENCE of the said PLANES? Hebu kubali kwanza kuwa umechemka kwa kuniita muongo na taarifa zangu kuziita propaganda, wakati the planes DO EXIST na wewe umekubali (because i quoted Nshuti no doubt). How about an apology before we continue :A S wink:???

 

[Koba]

speechless!

Not even debatable ......you need 101 of a Republic versus a Democracy.

 

[jMali]

Not even debatable ......you need 101 of a Republic versus a Democracy.

Petty arguments as always. Here is the dictionary definition. And its not published by "genocidaires" i presume, however feel free to argue with IT, not me, i've learned you tutsi-extremists can argue with God if need be....



de·moc·ra·cy

noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\ : a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting

: a country ruled by democracy

: an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights



Synonyms republic, self-government, self-rule
source: Democracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Assuming unajua maana ya neno "synonym"....

 

[eliakeem]

Wewe tatizo lako ni kutoelewa historia ya yaliyotokea 1994 rwanda,mkulu,inaitwa Tutsi Genocide,siyo hutu wala twa,sasa huko kuelewa kwako ndio tatizo lako.

Sisi jumuiya ya kimataifa na watu wote ulimwenguni tunajua ya kuwa yalikuwa MAUAJI YA KIMBALI YA RWANDA. NA HATA MAHAKAMA YA ARUSHA INAITWA MAHAKAMA YA MAUAJI YA KIMBALI YA RWANDA. MBALI NA HAPO... WALIOKUFA KATIKA VITA HIVYO WALIKUWA WAHUTU WATUTSI TWA WAZUMGU NK.
HIVYO ILI KUWE NA USAHIHI WA KUMBUKUMBU.... NI BORA KUSEMA MAUAJI YA KIMBALI YALIATHIRI KILA MMOJA NCHINI RWANDA... NA CHA KUFANYA NI KUHAKIKISHA KUWA HALI ILE ISIJIRUDIE. HIYO ITALETA USAWA KATI YA WANANCHI.

LKN MKISHIKILIA KUWA WATUTSI PEKEE NDIYO WALIOULIWA KATIKA VITA... BASI MTAWAFANYA WATUTSI KUWA NA MTAZAMO HASI KUELEKEA WENZAO... NA WALE WASIOJUA KUTUMIA VIZURI UWEZO WAO WA KUFIKIRI WATALIPA KISASI... HATIMAYE ILE HALI MBAYA YA 1994 ITAJIRUDIA.... Yangu ni hayo tu..

 

[mjasiria]

Mkuu jMali naona unashusha nondo za hatari. Watakimbia wote!

 

[Chamsawah]

Kagameee akifa mimi siwezi kuliaaa nitamtupa rusumo aweee chakula cha mambaaaa

Hahahahaha kafa BWM sasa

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