The Lesson Africa can learn from China!

Masanja,
Nimependa points zako, Afrika itakombolewa na waafrika wenyewe na adua mkubwa wa Afrika ni sisi wenyewe waafrika.....China ni beast anayekwenda out of control!!!!!!!. Hao mabwana walikuwa masikini na sasa wanajua utamu wa mali, dhamira zao ni mbaya na wana ile attitude ya "by any means neccesary." China si mfano mzuri wa kufuatwa hasa na nchi zetu za kiafrika!!!
Wanacho fanya China ktk Afrika ni kuchukua chochote kinachowafaa na kumwaga uchafu wao wa bidhaa duni ktk masoko yetu. China wana-loose manufacturing jobs ktk kasi ya kuzidi USA in the last two years.......hivo basi china ni lazima i-expand markets zake kuweza ku-sustain the labor force back home!!!. Kwa kifupi hamna anayetutakia mazuri kama sisi wenyewe hatujitakii mazuri, toka lini ukataka kuchukua mfano kwa nchi yenye citizens wake wanaoitwa immigrant laborers within its own border??. Kama unatoka Tibet kwenda kutafuta kazi mashariki ya China lazima uwe na kibali cha kufanyakazi na kuishi, la sivyo ni illegal na utanyanyasika kama "wanyola" ndani ya USA..........huo kama si muujiza ni nini?.
China ni HATARI in capital letters!!!!!!!!.

Wasee,
Legacy ya Nyerere ipo wazi na ni polarizing, mie nimekulia Daslam ya Duka la Kaya, suruali za midabwada, nilikuwa na vaa raba mtoni na degriz(jeans) utotoni toka ulaya kwasababu my step father alikuwa Captain wa P&C. Maisha yalikuwa magumu sana in the 80s, kuna pesa lakini hakuna vitu madukani.........kipindi cha mikingamo kilikuwa ni majungu matupu!!!. mazungumzo baada ya habari ni disaster na sumu miongoni mwa bongo za watu, daladala kwa foleni, safari ya Tanga kwa basi la kamata inachukua hadi siku tano kama una bahati mbaya na inabidi uwe na mwamvuli in case mvua ikinyesha.
Mie nimekulia kwenye nyumba ambayo Nyerere alikuwa anapigwa madongo kula kukicha na nilikuwa namwona mtu mbaya sana. Lakini sasa nikiangalia nyuma kuna mabaya yake na mazuri yake kwani nimekuwa na si tena bibi yangu anayenijaza blanks zangu kichwani. Tanzania viongozi wetu toka uhuru wote ni evil doers, lakini Nyerere labda naweza kusema alikuwa na dhamira nzuri, iliyokuwa complicated, bila watendaji waaminifu na ika-fell miserably....it was sad to watch!!!!!!!!!. Sidhani kama leo hii ndani ya 'Daslam' kuna mambo ya jiko limenuna ati kwasababu tu kwenye duka la mchaga au mpemba mchele wa mdundiko umekwisha, hata 'msasa' ilikuwa ni ishu....ukikamatwa na bunda la mineli ati wewe nawe ni muhujumu wa uchumi. Tanzania ni complicated sana..........!!
Achaneni na Nyerere, tusonge mbele kwani yaliyopita si ndwele tugange yaliyopo na yajayo.

China si mfano mzuri wa kufuatwa hasa na nchi zetu za kiafrika!!!

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Mkuu Y,

Hao wa-China, wanapiga risasi hadharani viongozi wezi, huo ni mfano wa kuigwa mkuu, can you imagine Karamagi, akuwekwa shaba pale monument kwa mkataba wake mbuzi, unafikiri viongozi wetu wataiba tena? Subutu!,

Binafsi sizimii sana na wa-China, maana ninajua kuwa wao ni wahuni mno kuliko wazungu, lakini angalau wao wanajua kula na kipofu, angalau wanakupa kitu cha kuonyesha kwa wananchi wako kama uwanja mpya wa mpira wa taifa!

Ni kweli enzi za Mwalimu, waya ulikuwa mkali, lakini tuliweza kubanana humo humo, sasa mkuu tunajaribu hata kujikunja humo humo lakini damn! mambo ni mazito mkuu unajua bei ya petroli sasa mkuu?


jana mkuu mmoja aliniambia "..Sikiliza kijana tatizo sio mikataba ya Buzwagi, tatizo ni maisha yamekuwa magumu mno.."

Field Marshall Es,
Kama nimekuelewa vizuri mada hii inatusihi kujifunza toka China na sio kuikumbatia China kama ndiye rafiki yetu. Sasa imekuwaje hoja zimefikia ktk kutafiti uchaguzi wa Zimwi lenye unafuu?...(West against the East)
nadhani mengi yapo tunatakiwa kujifunza toka hawa jamaa na tuyafanye sisi sio kuwaita wao ama wageni wengine wowote kuja shirikiana nasi ktk ujenzi wa Tanzania.
China wameona thamani ya nchi yao, watu wake na viongozi wake kisha wakizijengea siasa bora ya kiuchumi ambayo inalingana na mazingira yao.
Kama hatutaweza kuthamini kile tulichokuwa nacho kwanza kisha tukajenga misingi ya kiuchumi ambayo italinda kwa madhumuni ya kuendelea uchumi wa nchi yetu hatuwezi kamwe kupiga hatua yeyote zaidi ya kujiburuta kwa tumbo. Kuiga mikakati ya nchi kama China haina maana tumegeuka kuwa Malaya wa China kwa sababu hata hii mikakati ya kiuchumi tunayoipokea tokea IMF inatengenezwa kwa kila nchi duniani maskini na sijawahi kusikia mtu akisema sisi ni watumwa wa hawa IMF.
Nina imani kubwa kwamba kuna mengi ya kujifunza toka kwa hawa jamaa kwa sababu sote tulikuwa ktk siasa za Kijamaa. Mapungufu yote yaliyotokana na Ujamaa wenzetu wamefanikiwa kuyapatia tiba na wakaendeleza yale yaliyokuwa mazuri.
Sisi Upande mwingine tumetupa kila kitu kinachohusiana na Ujamaa na kujenga mfumo mpya wa Kibepari - Kila mtu na mzigo wake!.

Field Marshall ES said:

Mkuu Y,

Hao wa-China, wanapiga risasi hadharani viongozi wezi, huo ni mfano wa kuigwa mkuu, can you imagine Karamagi, akuwekwa shaba pale monument kwa mkataba wake mbuzi, unafikiri viongozi wetu wataiba tena? Subutu!,

Binafsi sizimii sana na wa-China, maana ninajua kuwa wao ni wahuni mno kuliko wazungu, lakini angalau wao wanajua kula na kipofu, angalau wanakupa kitu cha kuonyesha kwa wananchi wako kama uwanja mpya wa mpira wa taifa!

Ni kweli enzi za Mwalimu, waya ulikuwa mkali, lakini tuliweza kubanana humo humo, sasa mkuu tunajaribu hata kujikunja humo humo lakini damn! mambo ni mazito mkuu unajua bei ya petroli sasa mkuu?


jana mkuu mmoja aliniambia "..Sikiliza kijana tatizo sio mikataba ya Buzwagi, tatizo ni maisha yamekuwa magumu mno.."

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Mzee ES,
Samahani mzee usinicheke, lakini nimesikia kwamba TIPPER haipo tena!!!. Sasa hilo tatizo la bei ya petroli kuwa kubwa si wao ndio wameileta.......ndio maana mie nilisema maisha bongo na system kwa ujumla ni complicated sana. Hatuwezi kujifunza toka kwa yeyote, ila ni sisi wenyewe kuja na formula yetu ya kujinasua toka hapa tulipo.

Kama Tipper haipo tena basi sasa naanza kuamini niliyowahi kuyasikia. Inasemekana mke mdogo wa JK atamiliki shirika litakalochukua mamlaka hayo, share na jamaa wa Quatar!
Hizi ni tuhuma zinazotembea mjini!

Mkandara,
Hayo hapo chini si maelezo yangu,bali ni ya mtu aliye 'daslam' na mwenye hasira juu ya kinachoendelea........hiyo ni nukuu fupi ya maelezo marefu ktk mazungumzo yetu. Hapo ndipo nilipostuka, alaaa kumbe Tipper ni marhumu? ndio maana nikamuuliza ES,kama hiki kitu kipo au ni yengele lingine la mtaani.

"Bei ya mafuta ndiyo chanzo cha mlipuko huu wa bei tunao uona, lakini misomi ujinga hii tuliyonayo hata mara moja haisemi ukweli juu ya hili.Bei ya mafuta inapanda kutokana na manunuzi ya mafuta hufanyika kwa $ na ukiilinganisha na Tsh, $ inapanda kila siku hivyo kufanya bei ya mafuta kupanda siku hadi siku, nani aliyeleta soko huria? ni kikwete aliyeondoa TPDC na hatimaye kukifunga kiwanda cha TIPPER!? ili kuruhusu wafanyabiashara walete wenyewe mafuta ndipo wawauzie wananchi pamoja na serikali yenyewe kwa lengo la kunufaisha Umason wao!. TPDC ilikuwa inanunua mafuta kwa mkopo toka nchi za kiarabu{MWINYI'S ERA} Kisha hupeleka TIPPER kuyasafisha na kuuzia makampuni ya mafuta kama vile BP, SHELL, nk na kiasi kingine tulikuwa tunauza ZAMBIA, ZAIRE,BURUNDI,RWANDA,UGANDA,na MALAWI. TIPPER ilikuwa inamilikiwa na serikali ya TZ 51% ITALY 49%. Jiulize kwa nini tulivunja TPDC na kufunga TIPPER? hivi vyote huyu njemba anavifufua na kuendelea kuwa chini ya serikali na si wawekezaji wa kimason."

Mwisho....kama umeelewa jamaa anatupa lawama kwa awamu ya tatu na kutoa credit kwa awamu ya nne, mie sina shule kabisa ya hali halisi mtaani mjini daslam na Tanzania kwa ujumla. lakini kutokana na maelezo hayo hapo juu Tipper na cousin wake TPDC wote ni mahayati.

By Steve Schifferes
Globalisation reporter, BBC News

China's rapid economic growth has created huge companies, but most of them are owned by the state.

Now the Communist Party is embracing businessmen in its drive to modernise the country - but it faces growing accusations of corruption.

In the provincial town of Liuzhou, 1,200 miles south-west of Shanghai near the Vietnamese border, town officials held a banquet for GM executives and journalists to celebrate GM's investment in a new engine plant at formerly state-owned Wuling, China's leading maker of small minivans.

Leading the toasts was Liuzhou's most important official, who hailed GM's investment and hoped that more multinationals would invest in Guangxi Province to help boost people's standard of living.

That toastmaster, however, was the head of the province's Communist Party, who is in a battle to gain a growing share of China's booming car industry.

In September, he won a significant victory, when the government named Liuzhou as one of four "designated secondary centres" for the production of auto spare parts - a fast-growing segment of the Chinese auto industry.

State-directed capitalism

The auto industry encapsulates all the strengths and weaknesses of China's state-directed capitalism.

Car production in China is growing so rapidly that it is set to overtake the US within a decade as the world's largest market, and multinationals are flooding in to invest.

But all foreign multinationals must find a Chinese joint-venture company, which takes a majority stake in the business, and nearly all these Chinese companies are state-owned.

In Shanghai, GM was lucky to find Shanghai Automotive (SAIC), China's largest car company, as its partner.

As SAIC was owned by the Shanghai municipal government, it found no difficulty in finding new sites to expand its business in the new Pudong district.

And it had no problems getting suppliers - as the government even owned its own parts company.

The Shanghai government was also instrumental in helping the other early investor in Shanghai Automotive, Volkswagen, with its markets. All 20,000 municipal taxis in Shanghai are Volkswagens and made locally.

In return for its help, the government requires foreign car companies to share their modern technology with the state companies, thus helping them modernise both the production line and introduce new equipment in the cars.

GM has no regrets about its relationship with a state-run, party-controlled business.

GM boss Rick Wagoner says the Chinese managers have a "very professional" approach and that GM has benefited from party backing in smoothing the way for it to produce in China.

Uncontrolled expansion

The symbiotic relationship between foreign multinationals and local party officials also applies even more to overseas Chinese businessmen, who are being enticed to invest back in the mainland.

Much of Shanghai's property boom has been fuelled by Hong Kong Chinese investors, who have built many of the huge shopping malls and skyscrapers that have transformed the city.

And as the Chinese government owns all the land in the city, property developers are sold mere leases, which are auctioned off to the highest bidder.

The profits from the sales go to the municipal government, which has used the money to build the vast new infrastructure of roads, ports, airports and 12 underground lines which has transformed the city.

Until recently, it was relatively easy for the government to clear the land it wanted for development, relocating thousands of Shanghai residents to new housing on the outskirts of the municipal region.

And its control of the planning system meant that there was no conflict, and no delay, over planning permission.

It was in the interest of the government - bent on the expansion of Shanghai - to get the maximum value out of each site's land value, by building high-rise apartments for the rich or commercial office blocks.

Crackdown

But the system also encouraged corruption.

Businessmen were encouraged to join the party, while insider deals were common.

Last September, the secretary of the Shanghai municipal committee of the Communist Party, Chen Liangyu, was sacked from his post for corruption.

He has been accused of diverting money from Shanghai's $1.2bn pension fund to help finance building projects through dummy companies controlled by him and his business allies.

Mr Chen was also implicated in a real estate scandal in 2003 that led to the imprisonment of leading property developer Zhou Zhengyi, once named China's 11th wealthiest individual.

The dismissal and trial of Mr Chen is part of a broader campaign by the Chinese government to stamp out the perception of widespread corruption among party officials.

Revelations have included the denunciation of corrupt officials who kept mistresses while indulging in expensive foreign goods and trips abroad.


CORRUPT COMRADES
1998: Beijing mayor Chen Xitong jailed for corruption
2000: Scores of officials implicated in smuggling scandal in Xiamen
2001: Mayor of Shenyang and his deputy sentenced to death for land deals
2003: Shanghai property tycoon Zhou Zhengyi jailed for corruption
2006: Shanghai party boss Chen Liangyu sacked for diverting pension fund money into property deals

The party fears that corruption will undermine the legitimacy of the party, at a time when - despite economic growth - many people are suffering from rapid economic change.

The gap between rich and poor is growing, while state provision of health care and pensions is declining.

But the prosecution is closely linked to a power struggle within the party. As a politburo member, Mr Chen is allied to former leader Jiang Zemin, who strongly backed Shanghai's headlong dash for economic growth.

Unbalanced growth

Beyond the corruption scandals, there is a bigger problem for China's state-directed capitalism.

That is the competition between regions for economic growth and - ironically - the inability of the central government to prevent overexpansion.

Shanghai's premier state-owned company had traditionally been Baosteel, now the world's fifth-largest steelmaker, which also supplies the Shanghai car industry with its basic raw material.

Baosteel has been on an aggressive expansion programme - as have other Chinese steel companies, buying up other companies and listing some of its shares on the Hong Kong market.

It has plans to double steel production again, buying iron ore companies in Brazil and building a huge new plant in Shenzhen, the booming province near Hong Kong.

And those plans were strongly backed by the Shanghai party, which had close ties to Baosteel's boss, also a party member.

But the virtual doubling of steel production by China has led to a glut of steel on the world market, as well as questions as to whether the breakneck expansion can continue.

For now, China's booming economy is absorbing all the steel it can produce, despite the attempts by central government to slow growth by raising interest rates.

But if growth were to slow, the damage to Baosteel's balance sheet and its workforce could be severe.

And then, the competence of the party to run the economy - even with the advice of businessmen - could come under fire.

This article is part of a special BBC News series on 'Ruling China'.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/7044541.stm

Published: 2007/10/15 22:26:09 GMT

Kazi ipo!! .........

Icadon,
Thx kwa story hiyo ya BBC, kwani ime-paint picha nzuri ya China!!. Kitu kizuri ktk system ya China kama ilivyoonyeshwa ktk story ni kwamba muwekezaji wa kigeni lazima awe na partner wa kichina......tunaweza kuiga hiyo toka China. Vinginevyo tutafute formula yetu wenyewe,........

Uchina ni nchi iliyotoka mbali na inao ustaarabu wa 'kale'kabla hata ya kumbukumbu za kimagharibi kuanza kuwekwa. wazungu walijaribu kuiangamiza uchina kupitia bangi na madawa ya kulevya...ikapelekea kwenye vita inayojulikana kama 'opium war. halafu wajapani wakaivamia uchina na kuunda taifa linaloitwa 'republic of manchukuo'. at that time wamarekani through the League of Nations wlinyamaza kimya....hadi ple Wajapani walipovamia Pearl Harbour.

Wachina waliungana na wamarekani kuwatimua wajapani, ambao kwa hakika walifanya unyama mkubwa sana huko uchina as demontstrated by the Rape of Nanking. Huwezi kuamini kwamba Menyekiti Mao na Wamarekani walikuwa damu damu kwa vile adui yao alikuwa mmoja: Mjapani.

Vita ilivyokuwa inaisha wamarekani wakataka kukabidhi nchi kwa Chiang Kaishek...ndipo Warusi (Stalin) akawaunga mkono kundi la Mao (Wakomunisti) ambao walmtimua Chiang ..aliyekimbilia kisiwa cha Taiwan na kuanzisha Republic of China.

Kusema kweli Mao hakuwa binadamu wa kawaida. very intelligent, katili, mfuska, mpenda kusoma vitabu mbavyo amepiga marufuku wengine wasisome. akaanzisha mapinduzi ya kilimo..yaliyosababisha njaa kubwa iliyoua wachina wengi kuliko waliokufa kwenye vita zote mbili za dunia! hakuishia hapo, akaanzisha 'mapinduzi ya utamaduni ' which was basically a purge against internal opposition. watu wengi waluuawa na kuteswa hata na watoto wao wa kuzaa wenyewe.

Ukomunisti wa china na ule wa urusi ulikuwa sawa na mapacha wa kike na kiume! actually there was a big schism because the soviet union wanted to treat china as a junior parter in 'spreading the seeds of communism around the word, something which chairman Mao did not agree with.Anyway walisaidia sana ukombozi wa bara la afrika, pia tusisahau reli ya uhuru.

Anyway watanzania tukaanza kuiga siasa za wachina kuanzia villagization, azimio la arusha hata cultural revolution. madhambi na maovu yaliyowakumba maelfu kwa mamia ya watanzania katika 'operesheni vijiji' yanasimuliwa hadi leo na kamwe hayatasahaulika. tukawaiga wachiina hadi kwenye mavazi...'kimao ama kimau' likawa ndio vazi la viongozi wa taifa! utashangaa ukienda china sasa hivi kila kiongozi amekuvalia suti 'armani style'. hapa bongo ni mzee kingunge na malechela ndio wamebaki na vimao!

UCHINA ilibadilika sana baada ya kifo cha mao. mtakumbuka kwamba mke wa mao na 'genge' lake la wazandiki waliwekwa ndani na mzee Deng Xiaoping ambaye ndiye anaaminika kuwa muasisi wa sasa wa 'Chinese economic miracle'. 'Free market socialism' imeleta maendeleo makubwa na ya haraka sana uchina ndani ya kipindi cha miaka ishirini tu! wachina sasa wanarusha sateleiti, wachina sasa ndio wakopeshaji wakubwa wa serikali ya marekani ( the value of US Treasury bills in chinese hands exceed 1trillion dollars. now that is very serious money!).

maendeleo ya kiuchumi yameleta kujiamini..china can now 'throw its wait around the world' na sio tena taifa la kusukumwa na kudharauliwa. one area where i have tremendous respect for china is the way they fight corruption.kosa la kula rushwa na ubadhirifu uchina..adhabu yake ni kunyongwa! we have seen the party boss in shangai executed, we have seen the head of the drug administration excecuted! HAYA NDIO YA KUJIFUNZA KUTOKA CHINA.
Naweza kuendelea kuandika mengi kuhusu china...ila inabidi watu wajue uchina ilikotoka.

kosa la kula rushwa na ubadhirifu uchina..adhabu yake ni kunyongwa! we have seen the party boss in shangai executed, we have seen the head of the drug administration excecuted! HAYA NDIO YA KUJIFUNZA KUTOKA CHINA.

Tunahitaji mfano wa kiongozi mmoja tu pale Monument, wallahi itakuwa mwanzo na mwisho wa haka ka-mchezo ka-Buzwagi!

Ahsante mkuu, Prince, maneno mazito!

UCHINA ilibadilika sana baada ya kifo cha mao. mtakumbuka kwamba mke wa mao na 'genge' lake la wazandiki waliwekwa ndani na mzee Deng Xiaoping ambaye ndiye anaaminika kuwa muasisi wa sasa wa 'Chinese economic miracle'. 'Free market socialism' imeleta maendeleo makubwa na ya haraka sana uchina ndani ya kipindi cha miaka ishirini tu! wachina sasa wanarusha sateleiti, wachina sasa ndio wakopeshaji wakubwa wa serikali ya marekani ( the value of US Treasury bills in chinese hands exceed 1trillion dollars. now that is very serious money!).

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Wakulima husema jembe likivunjika Mpini, usitupe jembe lenyewe!
Tanzania baada ya kuukosoa Ujamaa tulitupa hata jembe lenyewe wakati hatuna ujanja wa kufua chuma! matokeo yake ndio haya.
Ujamaa bado haujafa kabisa...China ni mfano bora - Free market socialism! ndio silaha kubwa ya mchina kiasi kwamba Mmarekani ameshindwa kuelewa hiyo nidhamu ya Mchina kwa nchi yake na Wachina kwa Ujumla.
Soon kuna uwezekana Korea ya kusini na kaskazini wakafunga ndoa....Heee heee mtakoma. Korea kusini wana technologia, North wana Population.. kazi ipo - far east will be the next economic power house!

prince jafari ahsante sana kwa shule

China!
Watu wengi wanaitazama china kwa muono wa mbali na sio wa karibu. China imeanza harakati za mapinduzi kwa muda mrefu sana. Kwanza let see where is China coming from before we jump and shot the gun.

China began experiment with central planning economy in 1949, when communist defeated the nationalists in a long and bloody civil war. Leo viongozi wa China wanaiuta uchumi wao " Socialism with Chinese characteristics". Honest there is no country posible on earth that has done more for its people economically over the past two decades than China.

Kuanzia miaka ya 1949 mpaka kuanzishwa kwa reforms mwishoni mwa miaka ya 1970s, China ilikuwa mfumo wa kiuchumi wa kipekee. Uzalishaji wa katika sector ya Kilimo ulifanywa kwa makundi makundi ya wanchi which formed production brigades and production units. Wanakijiji walikuwa ndio responsible kuandaa nini kilimwe kwa chakula na kwa biashara.

Mwaka 1979 government ya China ilianzisha agricalture reforms ambayo iliongeza working incentives in this sector. Then kulianzishwa vitu kama township and Village enterprises (TVEs, hii organization iliweza kuajiri meneja ambao walitoa strategy. manaja wa TVE alikuwa responsible kwa faida na hasara.

One thing China have and its not in Africa is patience. So, unaweza kuona china imeanzia mbali, haija amka tuu asubuhi na kuwa China of today.

I know alot of you believe china is socialism, this is not true at all. In 2002 China allow wafanyabiasha matajiri kujoin Cummunist party, na many reform has been done kuvutia wawekezaji, this include laws concern private property. Kingine kilicho sababisha China kufika hapa ni kujiunga na Hong Kong mwaka 1997. Kuanzishwa kwa WTO which remove alot of trade barriers between countries which boost china economy kwa percent kubwa sana.

Foreign Direct Investment kutoka makampuni makubwa ya US, sababu China has low political and culture risks, many companies from US move to china in ealry 1990, this was due to high incentives from Chinese goverments. Chines government own a large shipping agent in China, this attract many investors. So, all in all there is alot of features that are found in China and they are not in Africa.

YournameisMINE said:

Icadon,
Thx kwa story hiyo ya BBC, kwani ime-paint picha nzuri ya China!!. Kitu kizuri ktk system ya China kama ilivyoonyeshwa ktk story ni kwamba muwekezaji wa kigeni lazima awe na partner wa kichina......tunaweza kuiga hiyo toka China. Vinginevyo tutafute formula yetu wenyewe,........

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Na bado Kuna sehemu haruhusiwi kuwekeza hata kama watakuwa na mzawa badala yake wazawa ndiyo wanaruhusiwa na serikali inatoa mikopo kwenye hilo,Hii ni kwa maslahi ya Taifa!

China's vice-president loses post



Zeng Qinghong was appointed vice-president in March 2003

Three of China's most senior leaders, including Vice-President Zeng Qinghong, are to step down. Zeng and two other politicians, Luo Gan and Wu Guanzheng, were dropped from the Communist Party's central committee at its five-yearly congress. The announcement is seen as the first stage in a widely expected reshuffle in favour of a new generation of leaders.

The three men cannot now be elected to the standing committee on Monday when their replacements will be named. The nine-member standing committee is the country's supreme decision-making body. A fourth member, Huang Ju, died in the summer and will also be replaced. The congress also decided to include President Hu Jintao's "scientific concept of development" in the party constitution.

President Hu is widely expected to be given a second term as general secretary of the party when the central committee meets on Monday.

New generation

At the final day of the 17th Communist Party Congress in Beijing's Great Hall of the People, delegates elected a central committee of 204 full members. Vice-President Zeng, 68, was not amongst those named. His absence means he cannot be elected to the party's politburo or the smaller standing committee, whose members the central committee will elect on Monday.

Wu Guanzheng, in charge of party discipline, and Luo Gan, who oversaw national security as head of the party's politics and law committee, also stepped aside. Vice-Premier Wu Yi, Vice Premier Zeng Peiyan and Defence Minister Cao Gangchuan were also not named. Mr Zeng, whose father was a veteran revolutionary, was ranked fifth in the party hierarchy and has previously been linked with former President Jiang Zemin.

His retirement could be taken as a sign that President Hu is solidifying his grip on the country's political system, says the BBC's Michael Bristow in Beijing. The announcement prepares the way for the appointment of China's next generation of leaders.
There has been considerable speculation about who will be part of that new generation, our correspondent says. The congress was closely stage-managed from start to finish, with delegates singing the left-wing anthem the Internationale at the closing ceremony, says our correspondent.

But as delegates left the Great Hall of the People on the edge of Tiananmen Square, a shouting protester was bundled away by police.

'Princeling'

Mr Zeng is a Beijing-trained engineer who also took part in tough trade negotiations with the United States.
He belonged to the elite group of China's "princelings", the children of veteran Communist Party revolutionaries.
His father, Zeng Shan, was a Red Army veteran and went on to become vice-mayor of Shanghai in 1949 and minister of internal affairs in 1960. His mother, Deng Liuqin, was in charge of the Shanghai-based East China Kindergarten where the children of many senior officials were brought up.

Mr Zeng worked as an aide to Mr Jiang when he was Shanghai Party secretary in the mid-1980s. When Mr Jiang was transferred to Beijing after the 1989 pro-democracy student movement, the one adviser he chose to take with him was Mr Zeng. Mr Zeng was elected a member of the Communist Party's standing committee in November 2002, five months before he became vice-president under Mr Hu.

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Who are tipped to take over? New generation leaders.

princejafari said:

..UCHINA ilibadilika sana baada ya kifo cha mao. mtakumbuka kwamba mke wa mao na 'genge' lake la wazandiki waliwekwa ndani na mzee Deng Xiaoping ambaye ndiye anaaminika kuwa muasisi wa sasa wa 'Chinese economic miracle'. 'Free market socialism' imeleta maendeleo makubwa na ya haraka sana uchina ndani ya kipindi cha miaka ishirini tu! wachina sasa wanarusha sateleiti, wachina sasa ndio wakopeshaji wakubwa wa serikali ya marekani ( the value of US Treasury bills in chinese hands exceed 1trillion dollars. now that is very serious money!).

maendeleo ya kiuchumi yameleta kujiamini..china can now 'throw its wait around the world' na sio tena taifa la kusukumwa na kudharauliwa. one area where i have tremendous respect for china is the way they fight corruption.kosa la kula rushwa na ubadhirifu uchina..adhabu yake ni kunyongwa! we have seen the party boss in shangai executed, we have seen the head of the drug administration excecuted! HAYA NDIO YA KUJIFUNZA KUTOKA CHINA.
Naweza kuendelea kuandika mengi kuhusu china...ila inabidi watu wajue uchina ilikotoka.

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Field Marshall ES said:

Huko u-China, kamati kuu ya chama ndio yenye power ya kuongoza, ina wajumbe 22, rais wa nchi ni katibu tu wa chama hicho kinachotawala kuna mwenyekiti ambaye ni powerfull pia anweza hata kumuondoa rais kwenye chama,

Kamati hiyo hukutana kila mwezi mara moja as a mandatory, wanapokutana tqo top academics are ushered in to brief the committee on trends in ernegy supply, patterns of urbanization or intellectual-property rights, usually the discussions can last until the evening, sasa the thought of the entire kamati kuu sitting down the whole day, kusikiliza academics kwa msaaa na kuyafanyia kazi yaliyosemwa, it is amazing.

...tunachohitaji ni wananchi committed kwa maendeleo na pia viongozi walio-serious, na ni muhimu kuwa na heshima kwa The Rule of Law, huko China kiongozi akikamatwa kuwa ni mwizi, hupigwa risasi hadharani, hapa Tanzania kama alikuwa waziri wa Nishati, huhamishwa na kuwa waziri wa jumuiya ya Afrika mashariki!

Mungu Aibariki Bongo!

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Mkandara said:

...BWM aliisha peleka watu China kuangalia jinsi jamaa hao walivyofanikisha na report kamili ilifikishwa kwake. Hiyo report inamhukumu yeye na sio kumsaidia kama ilivyokuwa report ya Warioba. Ziara ile imebaki historia kwa sababu alizosema Mzee ES.... wazee waliotakiwa kusimama na kuhakikisha sera mbovu hazipiti wamelala wenyewe usingizini na wamefungwa kamba za shingo utadhani mbuzi malishoni.

Hakuna kitu cha ajabu kabisa kwa China kufanikiwa na kama sisi tungeweza kutumia mirathi yetu - kwa kuanzia tu tungekuwa mbali kidogo. Mikoa ya Pamba yote ilikuwa na viwanda vya nguo lakini ilikosa mali ghafi, uzalishaji wa pamba ulipungua sana kwa sababu Tanzania tulitegemea soko la nje kuuza pamba yetu. Tazama basi ktk soko la nguo China, Afrika imeshika nambari mbili ktk waagizaji wake wakubwa na sasa hivi China imeshika namba moja kwa uzalishaji wa pamba (mali ghafi) ikifuatiwa na Marekani na India. Afrika tumetupwa nje kabisa kwa sababu pamba yetu pamoja na kuwa madhubuti na msemo wa kihuni Original lakini hakuna uhakika wa supply... mwaka hadi mwaka,pamba yenyewe adimu kupatikana kwani wakulima wetu maskini sana. Leo hii asilimia kubwa ya mashamba ya pamba miaka ya 70 ni mashamba ya mazao ya chakula. Wakulima can't afford life kusubiri mavuno ya mwaka mzima kupata malipo ya kazi ngumu. Na hadithi hii ipo ktk kila zao la kuuza...China walikuwa ktk position kama yetu na wameweza ku-reverse kutokana na kuwepo na UWAZI ndani ya chama tawala, wataalam na wanafunzi wa vyuo vikuu, Leo hii wananchi wake wana-enjoy matokeo.
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Field Marshall ES said:

Mzee Bob,

Ukweli uko hapo kwenye viongozi wa juu, tunacho kila kitu waChina walichonacho, maneno yote ya Uchina yako kwenye kamati kuu ya chama chao bro! Mwenyekiti hatoi uamuzi wa mwisho bila ya kushauriana na wenziwe, line of succession kwa viongozi wao ni very clear siku zote akitoka nani ataingia nani, na hao wote waliopangwa kwenye line ni viongozi walipimwa na kuchujwa kwa uangalifu mkubwa kwa kuzingatia uwezo na elimu, matokeo yake ni kuwa hakuna mwanya wa kiongozi mmoja kutumia ujanja ili apande, au kuchukua madaraka bila ya kupitia system kichama na kisheria,

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Mkandara said:

Wapizani wa Nyerere wakati wote hawakuwa na nia nzuri. Kwanza kabisa hawakukubaliana na malengo yetu kitaifa - UJAMAA na KUJITEGEMEA. Na kibaya kuliko yote hawa wapizani hawakuwa na vision yeyote nje ya Ujamaa na kujitegemea... They had nothing to sale..

Walipinga Ujamaa kwa sababu, uliondoa kabisa nafasi yao kuwa watawala weusi wenye uwezo wa kujilimbikiza mali na vyeo..

...naupinga Ubepari kwa sababu wao wanaamini kwamba waafrika tunachohitaji ni just basic survival..I strongly discredit the notion. Waafrika tunastahili zaidi ya kupunguza umaskini ama kuondoa Umaskini....tunahitaji kuwa na vision mbele...to be able to make choices; to decide to do basic things without constraint, to live in a predictable environment, and have some control over what happens around us.

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Field Marshall ES said:

Mzee FD,
Heshima yako mkuu, katika society yoyote ile lazima kuwa na viongozi au kiongozi, sio kila wakati ni lazima kiongozi awahusishe wananchi katika maamuzi muhimu kwa ajili ya their future, Mimi sio kabisa fan wa JKN, lakini kwenye hili la Wachina ni lazima kumpa heshima yake kuwa alikuwa na vision ambayo ni moja kati ya important skill kiongozi anapaswa kuwa nayo,

Mwalimu aliwashirikisha wananchi na viongozi, tatizo ni wananchi wasio kuwa na mwamko wa kisiasa, elimu ndogo ya kuelewa faida na hasara ya maamuzi makubwa au ya kitaifa kisiasa, na viongozi waongo na wanafiki tena nitakutajia kwa majina viongozi waliokuwa karibu na Mwalimu ambao walipaswa kufa kabla ya kukubali kuona mambo ya Mwalimu yanaharibiwa,

...viongozi waliokuwa karibu na Mwalimu, na mpaka leo hawa bado wana influence kali katika siasa za bongo kwani hata JK mwenyewe asingeenda kokote katika uchaguzi bila ya kukubaliwa na 75% ya hawa wazee, hawa ndio waliopaswa kuweka mguu chini na kuwakatalia hawa kina BM maamuzi yao machafu. BM hayumo kwenye hilo kundi juu kwani he was never close to Mwalimu kabla ya uchaguzi wa 1995, BM siku zote alikuwa karibu na Butiku lakini sio Mwalimu kwa sababu elewa kwamba kabla ya kuwa rais BM hakuwahi kuchaguliwa hata NEC, kila alipogombea alikuwa akishindwa, kule Uchina kuna viongozi kama hao juu waliobaki katika chama hawayumbi hata siku moja katika kusimamia misimamo ya maendeleo ya nchi yao iliyowekwa china na Mao na mzee DeoPing!

Mzee FD Mwalimu alifanya ya kutosha, somebody had to take it to another level, badala ya kuvunja misingi yake bila kuwa na cha ku-replace, China ni mfano mkubwa wa kuigwa na sisi kwani kama walivyosema waliotangulia, ni kwamba at one point sisi na wao tulikuwa tunawekwa meza moja nao na wakubwa wa West!

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FD said:

Mkandara na Kyoma,
...tulilelewa kuuchukia Ubepari kama wa palestina wanavyochukia WaIsraeli. Ilitakiwa ifundishwe kuwa hapo Labour productivity imeongezeka mara 2.To me that was wrong approach, fundisha ubepari unafanyaje kazi, fundisha ujamaa unafanyaje kazi, elezea uzuri wa ujamaa. Convice people dont put ideology in their heads!, hilo linakuwa tatizo pale wanapoenda nje ya nchi na kujifunza mambo mengine!

Turudi sasa kuhusu China, Kwanza so far tumekubaliana kuwa ELIMU is a prerequisite, Elimu kwa wataalamu ambao wakimaliza ujue utafanya nao nini, tatizo elimu ilikuwa ikitolewa watu wanaishia nje, hatukuwa na mipango.

Pili Capital, tutapataje capital?, we can reduce Govt expenditures by restructuring Govt depts, tunaweza kuondoa mlolongo wa vyeo, Katibu tawala mkoa na mkuu wa mkoa = duplication. Mkuu wa wilaya, meya, mkurugenzi wa wilaya - mmoja aondoke. tupunguze wizara etc etc Nadhani wataalamu wataleta mbinu tu.

Tatu, kuwe na mikakati ya kuzungusha pesa humuhumu, Ukichukua sera za CUF na chadema unatekeleza hili bila taabu. Muheza kuna machungwa, tutumie TASAF au kama inaweza kuundwa chombo cha kuunganisha wananchi mwenye mtaji wa millioni au laki tano, ukipata kama 100, basi unawafungulia ka kiwanda kidogo cha kusindika matunda (kuna mtu alishatoa wazo hili hapo juu), wanakuwa wamiliki na wanafanya kazi hapo, unawasaidia wataalamu wa juu tu!

Nne, Wahandisi, hawa ni kiini cha kunyanyua uchumi, kama unataka kubadili kabisa mwelekeo wa uchumi basi inabidi uwatayarishe hawa na uwe na Labs za kutosha, yaani inatakiwa heavy investments on these guys. Pale Udsm kuna Bicco, sijui bado wapo?, hawa ndio watatengeneza mashine zote tutakazotumia kuwa wezeshea wananchi, How do they do that? peleka hata nje miaka mitatu wakaibe technologia, waibadili kidogo iendane na hali halisi.

...Naomba tukae chini kila mmoja atoe TUFANYE NINI KUELEKEA WALIPO WACHINA SASA HIVI. Once done mmoja anaweza kutoa summary, Mzee Es na wengineo wanaweza kuwakilisha kwa JK

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Mkandara said:

...Matokeo ya maendeleo ya China ni Uzalendo wao, hekima na Busara za watu kama kawawa hazikupuuzwa na wasomi. Hakuna Mchina anayeamini mzungu kuwa ni bora kuliko Mchina hata kama hakusoma. Wachina hawaamini kwamba elimu toka nchi za magharibi ndiyo nguzo ya maendeleo ama mafanikio kimaisha ila elimu ya darasa na ufundi (techonology)inaharakisha mafanikio hayo kwa ufanisi.

Bongo hatuna kabisa Uzalendo ndugu yangu na msomi ndiye Mungu wa mafanikio hali tunao matajiri wenye maisha mazuri hali hawana elimu ya darasa isipokuwa vision na elimu ya kuendesha shughuli yao. Nyuma ya utajiri wao ndiko wamesimama wenye elimu ya darasa. Bongo tunataka kiongozi msomi hata kama hana vision, busara wala hekima ya uongozi ili tupate kitu gani sijui!. Tanzania hata hiyo vision inaletwa na mzungu kupitia kwa akina Juda....Kwa hiyo vision muhimu sana kwa kiongozi.

Nakumbuka China kitu cha kwanza kilikuwa kukuza kilimo na mashamba yote yalipewa wananchi toka mikono ya serikali. Wakulima China walizidi population ya ajira zote combined kama Bongo vile, na iliposemwa serikali itawasaidia wananchi kupata zana za kilimo na pia kuwaambia wananchi zao gani linatakiwa toka sehemu fulani, kisha wakajenga viwanda sehemu hizo kuhakikisha mazao yanafika ktk finished product hukohuko vijijini!...

Looh nchi za magharibi walicheka sana, kwa sababu nchi za magharibi wakulima ni asilimia ndogo sana na nchi nzima viwanda vipo mijini sio mashambani.

Well it worked for Chinese kwa sababu viwanda hivyo hivyo vilivyojengwa mashambani ndivyo leo hii vinazalisha mali zote za Marekani na Ulaya. Viwanda hivyo vingejengwa mijini ambako maisha ni ghali na hakuna cheap labour leo hii China ingekuwa ni hadithi nyingine. Wachina waliyaona haya mapema kabla ya mzungu.. vijijini wananchi wake hawahitaji mshahara mikubwa. Chakula rahisi wanalima wenyewe, nyumba zao za kuezeka matumizi ya umeme sio makubwa wala mtu kuwa na gari sio hoja, baiskeli zinatosha...Na kubwa kuliko yote watu hawana haja ya kwenda mijini kutafuta ajira...

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Mkandara said:

Mzee Es,

...Tumeingia Ubepari bila kuwa na fahamu akilini ni kitu gani kinachokuja na Ubepari. Wananchi na viongozi wote hawana elimu yake zaidi ya imani tu kama ilivyo imani ya dini.. Na kwa bahati mbaya hata haya tuliyoyapata ni mageni kwetu, hakuna aliyefahamu kinachokuja - hatukutegemea kupata kitu zaidi ya tulichokuwa nacho, hatukujiandaa kupokea kitu kwa hiyo basi haya tuliyo nayo ni maendeleo tosha kwa maskini mlalahoi. Wakati wenzetu wanaweka mikataba ya kiuchumi baina ya nchi sisi ndio kwanza tunalazimishwa kupokea misaada kwa kuweka rehani maliasili zetu. Kisha tunatafsiri globalization kuwa uwekezaji toka nchi, ubinafsishaji toka nje na hata wataalam toka nje ndio maana kamili ya globalization.

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Mkandara said:

Tatizo kubwa alilokutana nalo Nyerere ni hawa wasomi wa bara ambao walikwenda Ulaya na kupenda waliyoyaona huko kisha wakaanza kuota ndoto za kubadilisha maisha yao wenyewe ndani ya Tanzania ili wao kuwa kama wazungu watawala..

Wasomi hawa ndio waliotaka madaraka baada ya uhuru wakimbilia majumba ya uzunguni na kuendesha serikali za nchi vibaya kuliko hata Mkoloni, hawakuwa na vision kabisa zaidi ya kuendeleza yale ya Mkoloni chini ya Utawala wa mweusi. Hesabu ya viongozi kama hawa Afrika ilizidi hesabu ya watu kama Nyerere ambao walijawa na uzalendo mbali na kuwa na vision ya hata mwaka mmoja mbele. Kati ya mataifa 42 ya wakati huo miaka ya sitini labda nchi sita tu ndizo zilikuwa zimeukubali Ujamaa ama niseme Uzalendo. Hapo dhahiri dalili ya kushindwa kwa Ujamaa Afrika ilikuwa kubwa sana.

...kwa matazamo wa kibiashara dunia ilikuw na maskini wengi kuliko hata middle class na hata hao middle class maisha yao yalikuwa ktk kulipa nyumba, magari na hawana akiba zaidi ya kutumia kwa vitu vya thamani kubwa. Kwa hiyo hapa Mchina akawa mshindi kwa biashara zote za retails ktk mataifa yote makubwa na madogo. Kikubwa zaidi China hawakubinafsisha mali ambazo walifahamu ndizo ngao yao kwa nchi za magharibi. Serikali ilitoa shares kwa wananchi kidogo kidogo na mamlaka mikoani yalipewa sauti na nafasi kubwa ktk kujiendeleza kiuchumi.

Hali Tanzania sisi tumeuza mashirika yote na badala ya shares za mashirika makubwa kuwekwa ktk soko letu la Dar-es-Slaam Stock exchange tumewaachia wazungu haohao wakishirikiana na wahindi kutafuta wawekeshaji na kuchukua shares za wananchi. Mali ambayo Nyerere aliiweka kama mirathi ya Watanzania baada ya kujifunga mikanda miaka ishirini na mitano ya Ujamaa. Leo hii mwananchi hana sauti kabisa kwenye miradi zaidi ya sigara, pombe na mingine michache. And we are opt to sale the all country!...

Kama ulivyo msemo wa baadhi viongozi wataalam kila wanapojadili swala la Uwekeshaji -Tunaiuza nchi... wakifikiri neno hili lini maana nzuri sana kwa taifa letu kiuchumi hali wamesahau kabisa kwa nini tuligombea Uhuru wetu 1960.

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...Wakuu darasa mlilotoa hapa nawavulia kofia.

-Je, suluhisho la haraka ni nini ili kumkomboa MWANANCHI WA TANZANIA haraka iwezekanavyo kunusuru maliasili zetu, kuboresha kilimo, na kukuza uchumi wetu ili kuelekea kwenye ahueni ya maisha kwa vizazi vyetu vijavyo kabla historia haijatuhukumu?

-Je, kupiga kura pekee kutatosha, au foundation inabidi inazie sasa kwenye shule za msingi mpaka kwenye structure za Tanzania political parties?

-Je, CCM ki vipi inaweza kujisafisha 'kikweli kweli' na na kuchagua kiongozi mkweli na mwadilifu atayeweza kutukomboa? na vyama vya Upinzani vijiandae vipi kuleta ushindani wa kweli katika chaguzi zijazo?

-hatua gani za dharura zinafaa zichukuliwe ili wapiga kura wasijerudia makosa ya kumchagua Rais na wabunge kwakuwa tu 'ana mtandao' unaomlinda kuweza kuchukua madaraka?

china wanachama kimoja cha kikommmunist hawana vyama vingi jee hili ni la kuwafata? maana wao wanaamini chama chao kimoja ndio chachu za maendeleo yao.

Mchongoma,
Kwanza shukran kwa uwezo wako wa kukusanya data zote zilizotangulia na kuziweka ktk mtililiko wenye picha kamili. Nadhani kinachotakiwa kufanywa na CCM ni kufuata hatua kwa hatua maelekezo ya mapungufu ambayo tumeyaorodhesha.
Ikiwa kilimo ndicho uti wa mgongo basi wananchi kwa ardhi zao wapewe zana, mbegu na mbolea kwa mikopo ama ku-lease na vifaa hivyo vinaweza kuwa miliki ya Halmashauri. Ni vugumu kuweza kumpata dealer wa vifaa vya kilimo ikiwa ni asilimia 0.001 ya wananchi kijijini wenye uwezo wa kununua zana hizo. Mashirika ya kusafirisha mazao (finished product) nje yawe na contact moja kwa moja na wakulima wakiwekesha viwanda vyao ndani nchini, hii itasaidia kuongeza ajira kwa wananchi.
Katika maswala ya miundombinu, ubinafsishaji wake uwe ktk mfumo wa contract pamoja na kwamba tumesha uza mali yote! Malighafi zetu zisiruhusiwe kusafirishwa nje kama kuna uwezekano wa kufungua kiwanda cha kinachozalisha finished product. Mpango wa kina walanguzi kina Mohammed Enterprice kwenda badilishana na wakulima unga wa mahindi ulokuwa expired kwa Korosho ufe kabisa.
Wawekeshaji wapewe motisha ktk uwekeshaji wa viwanda vinavyoweza ku deal na mali ghafi yetu. Majaribio ya kilimo cha mazao yenye thamani kama vile Pamba ya Misri, kahawa ya Colombia na kadhalika yafanyiwe uchunguzi mkubwa ktk baadhi vitongoji kabla hayajapewa umuhimu wa kitaifa. Tukumbuke tu siku zote tutavuna tulichopanda, hata siku moja tusifikirie kwamba Utajiri hutokana na mirathi bali hujengwa hata Utalii hautokani na urithi alotuachia wa ardhi na wanyama alotupa mwenyezi Mungu. Utalii pia hujengwa kama tunavyoona ktk visiwa vya Bahamas, Miji kama Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Florida na hata Mombasa.

Mtu wa pwani,
kama unakumbuka hata mwl. alisema kuwa siasa yetu ya Tanzania ilikuwa ni ya Demokrasia ikiwa na maana kuwa mrengo wa nchi nzima ni mmoja isipokuwa demokrasia ipo ktk uchaguzi wa watu. Hapo tulipewa mifano ya NYUMBA na JEMBE tofauti na demokrasia ya nchi za magharibi ambayo kuwepo kwa vyama vingi ndiko kunakoashiria demokrasia..
Kwa hiyo ni muhimu kwetu kujiuliza hasa demokrasia yetu ni kitu gani hasa kinachotakiwa kuwepo. Mathlan ukiniuliza mimi nitasema kwamba Tanzania hatuhitaji vyama vingi kwa sababu mazingira yetu hayafanani na yale ya nchi za magharibi. Mrengo wa kulia ama kushoto hauwezi kuwa na nafasi ktk taifa maskini hata kidogo. kwa hiyo uchaguzi wa watu kama demokrasia ni bora zaidi isipokuwa unatakiwa marekebisho makubwa ambayo viongozi wote watakuwa na nafasi sawa ktk teuzi mbali mbali.
Nitapenda kuona Salim A. Salim, Malecela, JK, Mbowe, Mrema na wengine wakiwa ktk fainali ya uchaguzi wa rais wa nchi yetu. jambo hili linawezekana tu ikiwa tutakuwa na chama kimoja kwani sera za vyama vyetu kitaifa havina mrengo.
What is the use kuwa na vyama vingi ikiwa sera za Chadema zinaweza chukuliwa na CCM ama CUF na tusione ubabaishaji wa mrengo?