Proud to be Tanzanian. Shame on you ....!

[Youandme]

( I write in English because our "neighbors" don't speak Kiswahili)
( Any correction is welcome, my English is poor, my Kiswahili is poor) :wink2:

🙂 (Tanzanians) + :yell: ("neighbors") = 🙂( we are happy).


Fellow Tanzanians, we have to be proud.
To be proud of what we are: Tanzanian first, African and people of the beautiful country in the world, yes the beautiful country in the world.

Let me explain:
1) Tanzania is one of the biggest country in Africa, oh I forgot the BIGGEST in EAC because our "neighbors" forgot this;
2) The only country in the world which has :
- The LONGEST lake in the world : Lake Tanganyika, by the way the second deepest and largest lake in the world;
- The second biggest continental lake in the world: Lake Victoria, by the way the LARGEST lake in Africa;
- The second deepest and third largest lake in Africa: Lake Nyasa.
3) We have the highest mountain in Africa: Mount Kilimanjaro. Yes, yes, it is our mountain.
4) The most friendly and happy people ;
5) We help our brothers and sisters in the southern Africa to get their independence;
6) Finally to finish, there is a lot, we are the link between the southern Africa with the central and east Africa.

We may have differences in politics, religion or whatever you want but: Hekima,Umoja na Amani ndio ngao zetu.
I know there is CCM, CHADEMA, CUF and so on, we have experienced two bomb blast in Arusha, some problems in Zanzibar etc. , but we have to remember that it is Tanzanian who build the country and it is Tanzanian who destroy it: we have to continue to love each other and to be united when a foreigner (" our neighbors") spit on us.

Tanzania now is up on the stage and everyone look us, some are happy, some are not: they are jealous, very jealous: Kenya & Rwanda.

WHY ?

A) Kenya

Kenyans, our "lovely" neighbor, every time say that their country is the engine of EAC or one of the engines of Africa, yes it is true but the question is :
1) Is everybody enjoying it ? I think No, the number of poor people in Kenya is the same like in Tanzania.
2) So, why Kenyans say like this ? For me, Kenyans mix two things:
a) To be proud that they have richest people or they have big industries and;
b) The idea that, something belongs to a Kenyan, belongs to all Kenyans.

Kenyans, you have to make a difference between ONE Kenyan and ALL Kenyans:
- Yes you have big industries but it is few people who control it and enjoy it,
- Yes you have a big GDP but there is a long way to do to take out all Kenyans from poverty,
- Yes you TRY to speak English but it is not all Kenyans who know to speak English and do not forget where you come from: you are African and you have to promote and be proud of your African language. Don't say that development comes with English, look South Korea or Japan, they are proud of their language and they are a superpower.

Kenyans don't lie us (Tanzanians) that you live better than us, only God knows.

Look this Kenyan ( Chris Kirubi turns down Obama invite - YouTube, he tries to compare Tanzanian like poor people. Shame on you Chris Kirubi, Tanzania is rich and Tanzania is the CENTER of EAC, please don't lie. I may understand you don't want to come to Tanzania to meet Obama because he is not coming in Kenya, but to say that Kenya is the center of ALL THESE COUNTRIES, this is a joke my dear.

Look at this is another Kenyan ( Why skipping Kenya in Obama Visit is a big deal - #NewsdeskPlus - YouTube ) , the journalist asks him why a big issue Obama decides to go in Tanzania and not in Kenya ? Guess the answer, because Kenya is the only country in Africa where there is UN offices and Kenya is the biggest influence of regional politics !!!! What? Are you kidding me ? Sorry, but this is a very stupid analysis.

3) Is Kenya has a big influence in the region ? Here we are with the problem i mention above: You, Kenyans, mix your region and our region of influence.
The question is: Which region ? Kenyans deliberately forget where Tanzania has its area of influence, it is not the East Africa ( Ethiopia, Somalia, South Sudan), NO, NO.
But Tanzania has/have influence and is respected by all the southern African countries ( you know the history I think).
You, Kenyans, have to make a difference between your region of influence (by the way, all these countries of your region are not democratic ) and our region of influence ( the Southern Africa where you can get only democratic countries). Which means that, yes Kenya influence Somalia, South Sudan, maybe Uganda (not Ethiopia) but Tanzania influence its region and maybe Uganda and so on.

Something where Kenyans beats Tanzanians, and you can be happy, is the propaganda in their media ? Kenyans are very active in the media but if you compare with Tanzanian media, what a shame ? Am proud of your media.

B) Rwanda

For me, in the coming days or months, the situation will change.
Kagame, when he came into power, what did he do ?
He wants to use the same technics like Jews. Yes Jews were killed by Germans and they get support around the world because they were exterminated, but Rwandan Tutsi were killed by Rwandan Hutu and not by anyone else. He goes around the world to lie that the world didn't do anything in the genocide so that the international community must help him and close the eye when he kills thousand of people in the DRC. How is it possible ?

The problem is that he wants to write his own story, for me there is genocide of humanity only: genocide of Tutsi in Rwanda killed by Hutu, genocide of Hutu in refugee camps in DRC and Congolese in their own country DRC killed by Tutsi.

If we see how Rwandans treats us (Tanzanians), is the same like Kenyans treats us (Tanzanians).
They use the same arguments and have the same problems like Kenyans:
1) They try to speak only English ;
2) They are proud of their performance with economy, which is good, but the Rwandans suffer a lot like ordinary Tanzanians, Kenyans and so on.
3) They are very proud of their country when it is well placed in some economic index, like doing business index, but when it's for democracy, they ignore it, like Kenyans do.
By the way, Tanzania is well ranked in the democracy and peace index.

Why all these writings ?

I was shocked to hear that Kenyan, Rwandan and Ugandan presidents were in Uganda to discuss business and trade between EAC and they didn't invite my RAIS OF TANZANIA and Burundi's president. They think that Tanzania and Burundi are nothing compare to them ?

How can we talk EAC , integration , common money if there is a rivalry ?
Something i don't understand is that they want to build a pipeline and a railway from Rwanda to Kenya (which is an a long route for Rwanda).
Rwanda wants to show his " muscles" or want to ignore Tanzania ( because we propose that he must talk with his rebels) and build his pipeline and railway without passing in Tanzania! He wants to show that he has friends in the region.
If we analyze the situation, having a pipeline or a railway passing in two countries is too dangerous than having a pipeline or railway passing only in one country because dealing with one country is very different than dealing with two countries ( I think you know the problem between Russia-Ukraine-EU, it is the same problem).
Uganda is on his problem of succession, they don't know what tomorrow will be.

When Obama decides to come to Tanzania, oh my God, Kenyans were not happy. Why ? Why to reduce all Tanzanians ? Because you are jealous.
Tanzanians have their values that they don't have and Thanks God we are proud of it and help us to continue like this .

All I want to say is that Tanzanian has to continue to unite, it is not the time to show our neighbors our problems. When we do that, they are very happy.


PS: I will agree with my fellow Tanzanians that the situation in the country has changed but I think we can be proud of where we come from, and pray God to help us solving our problem between us. The situation in our country is much much better than in our neighbors.

UPDATE 1 June 26, 2013:

1) Watch this video : TRIPARTITE PRESIDENTIAL LIVE PRESS CONFERENCE 2013 - NTV UGANDA LIVE STREAM - YouTube , how evasive they are ?
2) I think it is interesting to reminder that China's President visited Tanzania this year, we have Obama coming soon
And that our RAIS OF TANZANIA was, with the South Africa's president, the only president who had a meet with
Japanese's prime minister.

The analysis of the situation when EAC will begin to breaks out .

If you see what is happening now in the world USA and EU will begin discussion for a free market, this EAC was/is supported by both: USA, EU.

So how can we say that EAC will continue to exist without Tanzania ? Tanzania is the second economy ($ 23 billion) , Kenya the first ( $ 33 billion) , Uganda and Rwanda respectively ( $ 16 billion , $ 6 billion ) (by the way for Burundi is $ 2 billion) . So you may be excited to do 16 billion + 6 billion = 22 billion --> which you have the same GDP of Tanzania.

Ok is true.

But this is a wrong analysis, the growth of Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi is due by the fact that some of their goods passes in Tanzania where the route is not long so you can save your money , the ordinary citizen (farmer) , who lives with his crop, can pass without "problem" between these countries to sell and buy with a cheap price, etc.

I think ( correct me if am wrong) that Kenya is not sufficient in his agricultural production , Tanzania is the main exporter with Uganda of Kenya .

So when Tanzania is out, the simplest thing will be done is to reintroduce tax in the border ( price will go up), to reduce the free movement, etc. . And I tell you, believe me or not, this fantastic growth of our lovely "neighbors" will be hard or disappear.

Let's return to EU (biggest economy in the world in term of GDP), when UK (this year) want to pull out of EU , guess the answer of US : " NO, we think that the UK has to be in EU, EU needs UK and UK needs EU". Cameron closes his mouth.

Let's me ask you a question : Why, suddenly, South Sudan was accepted to be a member of EAC ?

We know that Tanzania was the only country who block the adhesion, but strangely, Tanzania accepted. The answer is simple: Tanzania has been assured by the US and/or EU that they will support the EAC.

Let's analyze the situation in term of time and money : Who will finance these 2 projects ( railway and pipeline) ?

a) Money
Kenya, the " superpower", NO. Uganda, another "superpower", NO. Rwanda, oh my dear, NO.
But the private sector, they are the only one who can finance the project and believe me, when the EAC breaks out, the enthusiast that bring now the investor in the region will not be the same.

b) Time
How many times will take the project ? (Imagine that the money is not the problem) .

I think it will take 4, 5 or 6 years to finish these projects, so the question is: Will Tanzania will not do anything ?

The answer is NO. Believe me (correct me if am wrong) , in 2 or 3 years, when Tanzania decides, the peace we use to hear in Rwanda (maybe in Uganda also) will disappear . How ? Because those countries have their proper enemy in the region (you understand what i want to say) , a small help of Tanzania will destabilize these countries. So ? The answer is simple, investors will go out, yes they will go out.

Another legitimate question: Do you think US and EU will be happy ? Listen to this analysis ( AUDIO | DW.DE ), I will resume, the guy says that what Kenya's president does is: " michezo ya Watoto " .

UPDATE 2 ( June 26 2013) :

Military analysis in EAC

Tanzania, for a long time was the "friend" of China ( by the way , Tanzania still the best friend of China), the structure of its military, weapons was a Chinese or Soviet/Russian made. They used to say Kenya is the ally of the West and us (Tanzanians) are the ally of the East ( Oh no sorry, the ally of China and Soviet) .
So the question is : Is it true ? The answer is simple: Yes.

Ok, let's ask another question : What is the difference between these armies ( Kenya & Tanzania, because there are the superpowers ) ?
This question will answered by another question : Which system these 2 countries adopted after independence ?

When Tanzania get independence, something they do not used to say (when I say "they do not used to say", I mean when "a supposedly analyst" says that Tanzania adopted socialism directly ) that Tanzania has the same system like in Kenya ! Yes, the same system, if you want to say capitalism, it is not a problem, it's up to you .

Which brings me to another question: Why Tanzania changed the system then ?

Fellow Tanzanians, I think you know the answer : tribalism . Our Father of the Nation, our LOVELY MWALIMU NYERERE , and our Ancestors ( all the companions of Tanzania: Sheikh Karume and so on ) , know the failure of the system adopted earlier by Tanzania, Kenya and Uganda : You cannot govern countries like these with a capitalist system when you have 50, 100 or 200 tribes and languages . The result was known: it is a TOTAL FAILURE .

Let's continue: How Mwalimu and Compagnons know that the system is a total failure ?
The answer is the "witness year" 1964. Tanzania experienced a mutiny of some officers in the army . That is the main problem: there is not a unity between us (Tanzanians) ( by the way, the same happened in Kenya in 1982, it is not my problem here) .

So here is the answer of above question : We must unite whatever is the price to pay. And the system, which was in accordance, was socialism : UJAMAA. I won't write the concept of the system but the most important thing to know is that this system brought Tanzanians to unite like one people with one language: Swahili, like any other country in the world : US, France, Germany, China, Japan , etc. Because it is easy to understand, development is easy when you have only one language, you can not go and " colonize" the world with hundred of languages. Am sorry but it is true.

So you will have a legitimate question : We don't see the link between Ujamaa, Capitalism and armies ?
Right, I understand your question, but it is worth to remember what the Ujamaa and our Tanzanian Army have done in the Ugandan War . I will not talk about the war but of the solidarity between Tanzanians. The ordinary Tanzanians give goat, cows, rice , etc. .

Which bring us to another question : Time has changed, it is not a goat, rice,... Which determine the winner of a war in this 21th century ?
The answer is : Absolutely Right . But, but, what Tanzanians have learned is the recruitment of the people serving in the army: Tanzania adopted earlier that the recruitment will be in all the country without to care about your tribe, religion or whatever you want . That is the power of our JWTZ.
(OK, ok, the recruitment in Kenya I don't know, but in Uganda and Rwanda , it is tribalism )

Now, I think I have finished answering the second question above ( What is the difference between these armies ? ) .


Let's move now to the strategy adopted by these armies .

First question: Why AMISOM was sent into Somalia ?
The answer is " simple": To help Somalis, to restore peace.
Fantastic, we have all the answer. Yes, it is true.

Let me ask a question : Is Africa was capable to do this alone ?
For me, the answer is NO. This was the new way of dealing with an African problem, lets put Africans in front and us (maybe US EU) will back them by money, weapons, etc. .
( I will not go into details)
( AMISOM is financed by US and EU)

Which brings us another question: Is it working ? The answer is absolutely YES it is working.
So: Why Kenya intervenes in Somalia ?
The AMISOM in Somalia has done the hard work there ( We have to remember that peace in Somalia was brought mainly by Burundian and Ugandan armies, yes it is true) , the only thing which was missing was a more " advanced and well equipped army" to "try" to "finish" the job done by Burundi and Uganda. And who does that ? Kenya.
( 1. It is true that Kenya intervene in Somalia because Somalis attack them but, the other reason is that the West push Kenya to do that. It was only an alibi that Somalis attack them.
2. Some say that when Kenya intervene, France and US bombed some strategic points of a rebel so that Kenya can go forward
3. Some say also Israel help Kenya: we have to remember that their prime minister went to Israel to ask help ).

Which brings us another question: Why not Tanzania in Somalia ?
I will not lie, I don't know the answer. But, but, I salute the decision makes by our politicians/army: If is to help Somalis, we help everybody whatever the tribe is, and not one or two tribes .( It is not me who says that but Wikileaks, because there is a period when US ask Tanzania to train Somali soldiers, Tanzanian position was simple : we can train your soldiers but we want that everybody is represented and not one or two tribes: The same idea like UJAMAA, yes, yes, it is true ).

Now the big question : WHY, SUDDENLY, THESE COUNTRIES SHOW THEIR MUSCLES ?

It is a big question. I let you the answer. BUT, we have to remember that, 3 or 4 weeks ago, something that we may forget .
ISRAEL agrees with one of the EASTERN AFRICAN COUNTRY ( maybe South Sudan, Ethiopia, or, or, Kenya and Uganda) to take the charge (to host ) of the African refugees lying in Israel and Israel will help this country to strengthen its military and to develop its agriculture.

UPDATE 3 SEPT 5, 2013:

Habari Zenu,Kuna mada niliandika muda flani kuonesha vipi majirani hawatupendi lakini nilitukanwa, wengine wakasema sipendi majirani, au mimi ni AGENT WA RWANDA nataka kuvunja uhusiano ya Tz na majirani, au mimi si Mtanzania. Natambua kama kiswahili changu si fasaha.

Nilitukanwaa, Natukanwaa, Nitatukanwaa tuu !!

Sasa leo, nani anasema ukweli ?

Leo, Rwanda, Uganda, South Sudan na BIG BROTHER KENYA wameonyesha wazi kabisa kama hawapendi Tanzania, na sisi Watanzania sijuwi tunataka nini na hiyo EAC, kwanini raïs wangu, Mh. Jakaya Kikwete, amuombe Pr. Museveni ampatanishe na Pr. Kagame na kila mtu anajua kama ni Rwd ndio ina makosa?

Nilisema kama ukiburi na majivuno ya hao majirani inatoka Israel, sasa leo, It's confirmed that Israel will give weapons and drones to Uganda. Israel already helped Kenya . The question is : What Uganda will do with these weapons? Tanzania lazma utafakari.

ISRAEL MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO UGANDA.-

Kampala - Israel says it is likely to send at least some of its Eritrean and Sudanese asylum seekers to Uganda. In return for accepting the refugees, Uganda would receive aid and weapons. Such a trade would provide Uganda the weapons it seeks, but could create legal problems as well.

Last week, Israel's interior minister said Uganda had agreed to accept thousands of Eritreans and Sudanese, whom Israel considers to be illegal economic migrants. Nearly 55,000 of them live in Israel, where many have sought asylum.

But since Friday, the number of migrants destined for Uganda has been scaled down to a few hundred. Israeli officials said the "deal" with Uganda was nothing more than a verbal understanding, and the Ugandan government has denied such an agreement exists.

But it appeared the announcement was not entirely unfounded. The co-founder of the International Refugee Rights Initiative in Kampala, Dismas Nkunda, said he has heard rumors of such a deal for the past two years. But he said it did not seem to have gone through the usual channels.

"What we heard is that there are certain Uganda government officials who entered those negotiations without necessarily informing the agencies that are responsible for protection or even admission of refugees into the country," said Nkunda.

Israel's relationship with Uganda has been tumultuous. In 1976, Idi Amin famously gave refuge to Palestinians who had hijacked a passenger plane, and dozens of people were killed in the Israeli commando rescue operation that followed.

But Makarere University Security Studies Professor Paul Omach explained in the 1960s the two countries were closely connected, with Israel giving Uganda agricultural training and military aid.

"I know in the 1960s Israel was training the air force. A number of Ugandan paratroopers trained in Israel also. At that time Israel was trying to use Uganda as a southern flank to fight the Arabs during the Arab-Israeli conflict," he said.

Under Uganda's current president, Yoweri Museveni, Israel has provided military assistance once more, although Omach said the details of these deals were never made public. If Uganda did not accept Israel's unwanted migrants, he said, it may well be in exchange for arms.

"Museveni is always building the military. Right now he has just commissioned a tank crew. So this is a continuous thing. We live in a turbulent region, so you need to be prepared," said Omach.

But sending asylum seekers to Uganda would contradict international refugee law, said Nkunda, and could create legal problems once the migrants arrived.

"What happens to them, certainly that is going to be a very big legal problem, because on what basis are they being admitted in Uganda? They have not sought refugee status in Uganda, they have not sought asylum in Uganda. They sought first asylum in the first country they thought of, which was Israel. Actually, you might say that they might end up becoming stateless," said Nkunda.

Nor was it clear where the new arrivals would be put, he added, though they may well end up in one of Uganda's refugee camps.

"We have large camps in Uganda; camps for Congolese, camps for Somalis even. So it is possible that they might end up just driving them over into the camp to look after themselves," said Nkunda.

Omach said this could be just another example of a richer nation paying a poorer one to solve its problems.

"Israel looks at these immigrants, mostly Africans really, as unwanted in its country. So if somebody can take it and you can just sign the checks, and you get somebody who is itching for money, that is definitely what they will do," said the professor.

But unless a formal agreement is signed, Omach and Nkunda agree the public may never know the details of what really happened between Israel and Uganda

Haaretz


The secret agreement between the governments of Israel and Uganda over the deportation of African migrants to Uganda is not surprising considering the warm relations between the two countries in the seventeen years since Yoweri Museveni came to power. Museveni's government has maintained close ties with Israel and has signed numerous deals for weapons systems, agricultural technology and medical assistance.

One of the key figures in the relationship has been Rafi Eitan, a former Mossad official, who was also the leader of the now-defunct Pensioners Party and a minister in the Olmert government. Eitan has business interests in Uganda and he is a confidante of Museveni. He accompanied the Ugandan president on his two visits to Israel. Uganda was a also destination for senior Israeli representatives in recent years, including former Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and his deputy Danny Ayalon. Israel does not have an embassy in Kampala and its diplomatic affairs in Uganda are managed by the Israeli embassy in Kenya. "Uganda is an important partner of Israel in Africa but not a strategic ally like Ethiopia or Eritrea which are situated on smuggling routes of Iranian arms," an Israeli diplomatic official said.

The Ugandan military, which has been involved in the fighting in Rwanda, in the Democratic Republic of Congo and in its own northern provinces against rebels, has received significant Israeli military aid. According to foreign media reports, Israeli weapons supplies have included self-propelled cannons and mortars, artillery shells, surveillance systems, modernization of its ageing MiG-21 fighter jets and the training of its pilots in Israel. There have also been reports of supplies of Israeli drones to Uganda.

In addition, a number of Israeli firms are active in the country, mainly in the fields of agricultural technology. The Foreign Ministry's Agency for International Development Cooperation (MASHAV) carries out programs in various fields such as assistance to the public health system.

The local media in Uganda has not yet reported on the refugee deal with Israel. Dismas Nkunda, a journalist and human rights activist who focuses on refugee issues told Haaretz that he had heard rumors. But when he asked the national refugee agency, he was told they were not aware of any agreement. "The agreement was probably done by another government agency dealing with foreign relations," he said. "It is clearly in return for business relations and the extensive weapons deals between Israel and Uganda. There is very close cooperation between the two countries. It isn't surprising that the refugees agency hasn't been updated."

Around a quarter of a million refugees currently live in Uganda, mainly Rwandans, Sudanese and Congolese. Most recent arrivals have fled the fighting in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The migrants from Israel will most likely be sent to the camps run by the United Nations Refugee Agency. "There are terrible conditions in these places," says Nkunda. "They are basically large prisons and the refugees are not allowed out without permission from the authorities. We call them ‘warehouses for human beings.'"

Nkunda says that "the human rights organizations here have not yet begun to prepare for the arrival of refugees from Israel but when we receive confirmation, we will lodge our protest. This is a clear infringement on their human rights. These people did not choose to travel to Uganda, there is a clear reason why they sought asylum in Israel."

Uganda holds periodic elections (which Museweri wins by a landslide) but the country is routinely criticized by human rights organizations for the control of the media, the limits put on opposition parties, persecution of minorities and homosexuals and the endemic violence of police and security forces.


Mungu Ibariki Tanzania.

You welcome fellow Tanzanians to continue the topic .

Mungu Ibariki Tanzania.

 

[Tutafika]

They are fighting a wrong enemy! Thank God our JKT strategy is going miles far to restore unit among Tanzanians. Wish both "Mgambo'' and "Sungusungu" could be restarted with a new focus and spirit of 'fight, defend, die for your country'

Museven, 27 years in power (since 1986) doing nothing better for Ugandans. Kagame since genocide in 1994 now is 19 years of cruelty, killing innocent people and working hard to strengthen hate among Rwandese. Totally nothing. I know Kenyatta Jr is after business, like his father during the struggle for independence (Samora Machel R.I.P - once requested Kenyatta senior to help him just one Land rover for the missions of independence, he refused. But after independence Kenyatta was the first to request for business partnerships and trying to give aids to Samora's government. Samora refused).

 

[Life.co.tz]

they are fighting a wrong enemy! Thank god our jkt strategy is going miles far to restore unit among tanzanians. Wish both "mgambo'' and "sungusungu" could be restarted with a new focus and spirit of 'fight, defend, die for your country'

museven, 27 years in power (since 1986) doing nothing better for ugandans. Kagame since genocide in 1994 now is 19 years of cruelty, killing innocent people and working hard to strengthen hate among rwandese. Totally nothing. I know kenyatta jr is after business, like his father during the struggle for independence (samora machel r.i.p - once requested kenyatta senior to help him just one land rover for the missions of independence, he refused. But after independence kenyatta was the first to request for business partnerships and trying to give aids to samora's government. Samora refused).

thanks bro your are real tanzanian

 

[Luggy]

You are not only a Tanzanian but a Patriotic Tanzanian....saaaafi sana

 

[Baba Kiki]

Pole na hongera sana kwa habari ndefu. Umeandika vizuri ila umechanganya vitu vingi kwa mpigo na hivyo inawawia vigumu wasomaje wavivu kuelewa unataka kusema nini.

All in all watu hawajakutendea haki kukutukana wakati vingi ya vitu ulivyoviandika ni pointi. Watanzania tujifunze kuipenda nchi yetu.

 

[Wun]

Najivunia na nchi yangu tanzania na najivunia kuwa mtanzania...

Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using JamiiForums

 

[Tom B Kilongola]

I love everything about this thread despite some negative responses imposed by some "fake Tanzanians" who always rely on shallow sources of knowledge and information that make their minds stagnant and rigid to the reality.

"Slavery of thoughts is the worst ever kind of slavery"

 

[Tom B Kilongola]

I love everything about this thread despite some negative responses imposed by some "fake Tanzanians" who always rely on shallow sources of knowledge and information that make their minds stagnant and rigid to the reality.

"Slavery of thoughts is the worst ever kind of slavery"

"Slavery of thoughts is the worst ever kind of slavery"

 

[Youandme]

"Slavery of thoughts is the worst ever kind of slavery"

Oh another Pan-African, with your speech : " We love each other ? "

I love this : " The worst ever kind of slavery is the mythomania " .

 

[The Gentleman Pirate]

Ooooh am proud of yuo mkuu,,kudos amigo!!!

 

[mzawahalisi]

Ndugu umejitahidi katika mtiririko wa mawazo yako. Despite of the Gramatical errors, u have made a point.
Don't urgue where there is no urguments but insults. So dont respond to the likes of Koba.

 

[duncan wa mbuji]

Safi sana habari ni ndefu ila imeeleweka na ni ukweli mtupu,kuna mijitu humu haina akili kabisa sijui wanafikiria kwa kutumia makalio manake kila kitu wao nikupinga tu.

 

[nyantella]

Much respect Youandme! that is the only thing i can say as of now! let me assimilate the article i will come back!

 

[MzalendoHalisi]

Good patriotic arguments!

Hongera Comrade!

 

[Tutafika]

Despite comments of disqualification of Tanzania which Kenyans did inhere, Why skipping Kenya in Obama Visit is a big deal - #NewsdeskPlus - YouTube (a link contained in the original thread), finally the commentator could not skip the truth. ".....I think Tanzania will real, will real come to the forefront especially in East Africa as a bi cone for investors, for development and also for, ah, for economic wealth". You can never skip this if you don't want lie of yourself.

 

[bulama]

Proud only if your the one who were rescued in beijin and our resources are being taken in reply.

 

[Hero]

Hujanitendea haki mtoa maada, yaani ndio habari imenoga kabisa ndio unaikatisha...nimeipenda kwa kila herufi uliyoitumia!!! Habari umeifupisha bana...ebo nani kasema hii ni habari ndefu?...ingekuwa haina mantiki ingekuwa ndefu but this, to me, have been prematurely shortened...this is my concern! Pole yao waoga wa maandishi!!!
Malizia ulipoachia bana tafadhali!

 

[Youandme]

Habari Zenu,

This is the part II of the first post : Proud to be Tanzanian. Shame on you ... https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/476329-proud-to-be-tanzanian-shame-on-you.html

( I write in English because our "neighbors" don't speak Kiswahili)
( Any correction is welcome, my English is poor, my Kiswahili is poor) :wink2:


UPDATE 3 ( July 21 2013)

Lets continue our analysis: If I say that the situation in Egypt has an indirect link with the future developments in the region( region: Ethiopia, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, South Sudan, Tanzania, Rwanda and Burundi) some of you will treat me as a foolish. Oops! You talk about Egypt, and Israel then ? I understand you but lets me explain.

Question 3.1 : What is the link ?
The answer is The Nile River . I think you know (here I'll talk about few things ):
- countries bordering the Nile river;
- that the Nile river is the only source of water for Egypt;
- the situation - political crisis in Egypt

This is where things get complicated.

Question 3.2: Why ?

To understand this, we have to go back to history.
In short:
1) After the war between Egypt( Arabs in general) and Israel, after the Camp David accords, after the construction of the Aswan Dam and the Suez Canal ( or if you want, the idea to use efficiently the Nile water in Egypt ), the Egypt's president of that time( first Arab president who visit Israel in 1979), Anwar El Sadat, offers a deal to Israel. This deal stipulates that Israel would be capable to use the Nile water( Egypt would authorize Israel to construct a canal from the Suez Canal - Egypt - to the Negev Desert - Israel- because only 40-50 km separate the Sinai( Egypt) and Israel) in exchange, Jerusalem( I think East Jerusalem) would be the capital of Palestine.

In reality, it was a tactic( some says that it was a tactic, others no ) of Anwar El Sadat because at that time, Egypt decides to be an ally of the West and no more of URSS so if He proposes a interesting deal to Israel, it would be very easier for Egypt to be an ally of the West. But Egypt never authorize Israel because the consequences would be huge and the reaction of the Arab world would be unpredictable, we have to remember the reaction of the Arab world when Egypt signs the peace deal with Israel. ( When I say " never authorize", I mean that everybody knew that the project was impossible) .

2) the Israel's policy : Alliance of the periphery. The idea of Israel is to establish a solid partnership between Israel and countries bordering the Arab world ( African countries ).

OK. Lets me answer the Question 3.2 : Why the political crisis in Egypt may affect the region ?

Answer 3.2:

I'll try to be very brief, after the revolution in Egypt's internal policy has been disrupted and the situation became worse when the Egyptian military overthrew President Morsi. Before going any further, remember when Ethiopia announced the start of the water diversion - the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam (JUNE 2013) - Morsi threatened Ethiopia with war. Now in Egypt, the disagreement between the Muslim Brotherhood (Morsi) and others(army) can bring Egypt to a civil war, a very dangerous situation for Egypt and the Arab world in general. Somethings that the army will not allow to happen since it regards itself as the guarantor of the Egyptian unit.
You can resolve these differences by negotiation or, or invite (put into play) a "FOREIGN PLAYER" to solve it.
This is where I am getting.

This "foreign player" would be a declaration of war between Egypt and Ethiopia. Yes, some of you think I'm crazy or whatever, but history has taught us many things (remember the causes of World War II). The army can declare war to try to reconvene the Egyptian people.

So here the answer of the Question 3.1 : I don't see the link between Egypt-Israel and Tanzania ?

Answer 3.1:

Imagine that Egypt is at war with Ethiopia, Tanzania will be affected:
a) indirectly because Tanzania signed the new treaty of sharing Nile water but that is not a big concern. I don't think Egypt attack Tanzania;
b) directly because a new alliance between countries of the region ( especially Ethiopia, South Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda and Kenya) will be created. That is the big concern. You see what I am talking about?

It is here that Israel comes into the game.

Question 3.3 : How is Israel comes into play?

Answer 3.3:

There are no doubts that Israel has established strong ties with Kenya, South Sudan, Uganda, Ethiopia and Rwanda. ( see the Question 3.2 and see the end of part I : Proud to be Tanzanian : https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/476329-proud-to-be-tanzanian-shame-on-you.html ).
What interests us most is the new alliance between Rwanda, South Sudan, Uganda and Kenya. Because Tanzania has a role to play (for me it is a big role) because it is the only country in the region that has the 3 big lakes (see the beginning of part I https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/476329-proud-to-be-tanzanian-shame-on-you.html) which gives us (Tanzanians) a role to play.

Indeed, Tanzania can become a sort of arbitrator in this "game".

We all agree that a new treaty is necessary, but the adventurous spirit of these countries ( especially Ethiopia South Sudan and Uganda, Kenya maybe) and Egypt can lead to a very dangerous war between (Christian and Muslim). But if Tanzania plays its role of arbiter, we can come out as a winner ( we can prevent war) and a new regional policy will appear.

In other words, we'll see if EAC : Uganda, South Sudan and Kenya (and other, Rwanda and Burundi) adopt the Tanzanian policy ( arbitration, if we adopt it) or the Ethiopian policy.
( Ethiopia is ready to defend himself and Egypt also )
( For me, Tanzania must be the arbitrator because this crisis don't affect us (in terms of water) directly like Kenya ( there is a big desert ), Egypt ( the only source of water is the Nile river), Ethiopia ( want to construct the dam). We have 3 lakes ).

Don't forget that Israel has a problem of water( not like Egypt) so it's will be very helpful if it can use the Nile water. And how Israel can use the Nile water ?
By negotiating a new treaty between the countries of Nile Basin, Israel may require (request) to its allies in the region (Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, South Sudan and Rwanda) to take part to the negotiation .

Don't forget also that Egypt is the big Muslim country in the Arab world and that Ethiopia, Uganda, Kenya, South Sudan are most Christians. So a war between these countries is a big disaster.

I will finish with another question that I think is important .

Question 3.4 : For a country like Tanzania, where Muslim and Christian live together, how can we prevent tension - or further tension - between these communities ?

Answer 3.4 :

Here is my idea, I think that if we (the government) decide to create a religious council where Muslims, Christians, Pagans, Hindus, etc. has a representative and that each year (I do not know maybe 6 months) this board meets to address the problems encountered during the period or to prevent tensions between communities; it will be fantastic and clever.
I won't lie, I'm afraid when I hear that there are tensions between Muslim and Christian, when there is death of a Priest or Sheikh: It is a big danger.

Another thing, I think if we (government) decide that all preachers ( Sheikhs, Priests, etc .) study only in Tanzania it will fantastic because we can be sure of the values ( Tanzanians values: peace, harmony, love) that our sons and daughters are taught.

Why ?
If you look the Muslim world (Egypt, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, etc.) , there is a struggle between true Muslims and radical Muslims who for me they have their own agenda. It is not possible that a true Muslim wants a war.
No, no, those people have their own agenda.
Radicalization comes when preachers are allowed to preach lies and hate. And if you look closely, these "false Muslims - radical Muslims" are financed by rich Arab: Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc. this is a problem that Tanzania must manage if it don't want to stumble into the future.
The same problem with Christians( financed especially from USA I think), look to Uganda where radical Christians preach like radical Muslim .

What I want to say is that government must careful and vigilant with these religious funds: It is a big danger.

(Islam and Christianity has always been a religion of peace).
Sorry if I've hurt someone.

Sources: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/struggleoverthenile/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_the_periphery
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/73969.aspx
http://www.voanews.com/content/tens...ds-with-nile-river-agreement-cfa/1692986.html
http://www.ism-france.org/analyses/...-la-course-pour-l-acces-a-l-eau-article-15068
http://www.tau.ac.il/taunews/97fall/nile.html

You welcome fellow Tanzanians to continue the topic and give your ideas.

Mungu Ibariki Tanzania.

Cc : Hero, Koba, Nicholas

 

[kilombero yetu]

Believe me or not,god the creator gave us lake victoria for 56% in that case if a certain nation wants to fight us just because of the waters of the nile,we wont hesitate to face the battlefield

 

[Youandme]

Believe me or not,god the creator gave us lake victoria for 56% in that case if a certain nation wants to fight us just because of the waters of the nile,we wont hesitate to face the battlefield

Obviously.
But Tanzania can be a good mediator with his strategic position