Nape Nnauye: CCM tunapinga Uwepo wa Serikali Tatu.

[Highlander]

Tanganyika + Zanzibar + Ujirani mwema. Hatutaki Tanzania bara + Zanzibar + Majungu...

Tanganyika + Zanzibar + Ujirani mwema. Period! We meet in EAC Federation as good neighbors. Haki wanazopewa Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, South Sudan na pengine Somalia baadaye wanapokuwapo TZ ziwe ndo hizohizo Zanzibar inapewa hapa. NO SPECIAL TREATMENT.

And then off course, kwa bahati mbaya, pengine watalazimika kuomba kuingia EAC kama taifa huru, kama South Sudan. Wameyataka sana haya kwa muda mrefu wapumue. Wakati wa Zanzibar kupumua ni sasa...

 

[Kamakabuzi]

Kama muundo wa sasa ungekuwa ni safi, pasingekuwepo na malalamiko. Kuwepo kwa malamiko mengi ni dalili tosha kuwa muundo wa sasa wa serikali mbili una matatizo. CCM kutaka kuenedelea na muundo huu ni sawa na kutaka kufumbia macho malalamiko. Wananchi sasa wamesema kuwa wanataka serikali 3, hao ccm 6,000 hawawezi kubadili mawazo ya watu wazima over 20,000,000. Warioba amesema hayo ndiyo mawazo ya wananchi wengi, tume ilichofanya ni kuyaweka kikatiba/ kitaalam zaidi.Warioba naye ni waziri mkuu mstaafu, ana maoni yake lakini akiwa mwenyekiti wa tume ameweka yake binafsi pembeni na kuwasilisha maoni ya wananchi.

 

[kimboka one]

Hivyo "viroba" huwa mnanyweshwa muda gani? Mbona muda wote vichwa vyenu vijana wa Bar Vichaa vinakuwa na "moto"?

Baada ya kuisoma hii thread, ni wapi imesemwa katiba ni ya CCM?

Siku hizi si viroba wanawapa bangi,eti ndiyo ukamanda wa ukombozi

 

[HByabatto jr]

NEPI YA CCM imezeeka...! Tunataka TANGANYIKA ijipambanue peke yake na kuiachia ZANZIBAR mamlaka kamili kama nchi. Halafu tuendeleze ujirani mwema na kuuenzi kama ulivyoasisiwa na wazee wetu.

 

[Papa1]

Baada ya makubaliano ya JK Nyerere na Mzee Karume, Muungano wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar ulifanyika. Tanzania ikazaliwa. Baada ya kero kadhaa za muungano uliofanyika bila tafiti makini kuhusu uendeshaji thibiti wa muungano huo, na pia bila nia ya dhati ya kuondoa kasoro hizo, suluhu ya kweli imeonekana ni kurejesha serikali ya Tanganyika maana serikali ya Zanzibar ipo kwa kufuata vigezo vyote ikiwemo Raisi wake, bendera ya taifa, wimbo wa taifa n.k.

Zoezi la serikali tatu litakapo kamilika, halitaishia hapo, litaendelea kitafuna CCM. Ikumbukwe kwamba shughili za vyama vya siasa vitashughulikiwa na kila nchi mshirika wa muungano, hapo ndipo wale ambao hawakuafiki muungano wa TANU na ASP watakapoidai ASP yao huko Zanzibar. Ili ASP iwepo inabidi CCM ivunjwe - TANU na ASP zijitokeze, ASP iende Zanzibar na TANU ije bara. Kumbuka katika daftari la Masjili wa vyama Tanganyika, TANU haipo, hapo ndipo tutalazimika kuwa na chama kipya kabisa cha TANU katika orodha ya vyama Tanzania na ndipo CCM itakapo ishia. Kwa maana hiyo Rais, wabunge wote, madiwani na wenyeviti wa mitaa na vijiji waliopatikana kwa tiketi ya CCM watapoteza uwakilishi wao maana chama kilichowatuma kitakuwa hakipo . mali zote za CCM zitauzwa ikiwemo viwanja vya mpira, maofisi n.k ili ASP na TANU kila chama kipate share zake. Sisi tuliokuwa wanachama wa TANU tutalazimika kudai stahiki zetu vilevile.

Ni katika kuogopa mgogoro huu ambapo "piga ua garagaza!" CCM kukubali serikali tatu sawasawa na panya kukamata paka ili anfunge kengeke shingoni. Upo hapo? Swali ni JE, Wewe CHADEMA kama ungekuwa CCM ungefanyaje?:clap2::clap2:

 

[mwa 4]

wewe siku hizi ni msemaji wa ccm au umeamua kutumia upeo mdogo kuchunguza mambo.

 

[mwa 4]

Baada ya makubaliano ya JK Nyerere na Mzee Karume, Muungano wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar ulifanyika. Tanzania ikazaliwa. Baada ya kero kadhaa za muungano uliofanyika bila tafiti makini kuhusu uendeshaji thibiti wa muungano huo, na pia bila nia ya dhati ya kuondoa kasoro hizo, suluhu ya kweli imeonekana ni kurejesha serikali ya Tanganyika maana serikali ya Zanzibar ipo kwa kufuata vigezo vyote ikiwemo Raisi wake, bendera ya taifa, wimbo wa taifa n.k.

Zoezi la serikali tatu litakapo kamilika, halitaishia hapo, litaendelea kitafuna CCM. Ikumbukwe kwamba shughili za vyama vya siasa vitashughulikiwa na kila nchi mshirika wa muungano, hapo ndipo wale ambao hawakuafiki muungano wa TANU na ASP watakapoidai ASP yao huko Zanzibar. Ili ASP iwepo inabidi CCM ivunjwe - TANU na ASP zijitokeze, ASP iende Zanzibar na TANU ije bara. Kumbuka katika daftari la Masjili wa vyama Tanganyika, TANU haipo, hapo ndipo tutalazimika kuwa na chama kipya kabisa cha TANU katika orodha ya vyama Tanzania na ndipo CCM itakapo ishia. Kwa maana hiyo Rais, wabunge wote, madiwani na wenyeviti wa mitaa na vijiji waliopatikana kwa tiketi ya CCM watapoteza uwakilishi wao maana chama kilichowatuma kitakuwa hakipo . mali zote za CCM zitauzwa ikiwemo viwanja vya mpira, maofisi n.k ili ASP na TANU kila chama kipate share zake. Sisi tuliokuwa wanachama wa TANU tutalazimika kudai stahiki zetu vilevile.

Ni katika kuogopa mgogoro huu ambapo "piga ua garagaza!" CCM kukubali serikali tatu sawasawa na panya kukamata paka ili anfunge kengeke shingoni. Upo hapo? Swali ni JE, Wewe CHADEMA kama ungekuwa CCM ungefanyaje?:clap2::clap2:

kwanza unadanganya swala la vyama vya siasa ni swala la muungano.

 

[MZAWATA]

kwanini ciongoz weng wa chama cha mapinduzi wanaogopa sana kipengele kilichopo katika rasimu ya katiba kinachoshauri tuwe na serikali tatu? Wanaogopa nini ile hali watanzania wameshaamua? Kwan wao nchi hii ni yao au ni ya watanzania? Kwanin wanakuwa wabinafsi kias hiki?

 

[Amavubi]

peleka ukurasa wa Katiba Mpya mkuu tukupe majibu

 

[MZAWATA]

Katika hali ya kushangaza viongozi wengi wa chama cha mapinduzi wanapinga serikali tatu na wanataka kuwashawishi wanachama wakatae kiengele hiki. Wananchi wameamua wawe na serikali tatu iweje chama kikatae tena viongozi tu. Kwan ccm ni zaoidi ya watanzania au nchi ya tanzania? Wawaache watanzania wachague kile wanachokipenda wao. Kumbuka nchi yetu ni zaidi ya ccm, ccm itakufa na itasahaulika pamoja na vyama vingine lakin nchi yetu itakuwepo tu

 

[Baba Joseph17]

Wanaogopa kung'oka madarakani, hata wale wa CCM Zanzibar walioicha rasimu mbele ya Jaji warioba kipindi kile eti kisa haijazungumzia muungano huku wabunge wa CCM wakiwaunga mkono wananchi wao eti leo hawataki! Ama kweli wanasiasa ni watu hatari sana wao wanajali maslahi yao ya kukalia viti vyekundu vinavyozunguka huku wakipokea posho na mishara mikubwa. Lakini hawataki wananchi waamue wanancho taka.

kwanini ciongoz weng wa chama cha mapinduzi wanaogopa sana kipengele kilichopo katika rasimu ya katiba kinachoshauri tuwe na serikali tatu? Wanaogopa nini ile hali watanzania wameshaamua? Kwan wao nchi hii ni yao au ni ya watanzania? Kwanin wanakuwa wabinafsi kias hiki?

 

[MZAWATA]

Inabidi hawa viongozi hawa tuwapinge kwa nguvu zetu zote na kuwaonesha sisi ndo tumewaweka madarakani na hawawez kutuamulia mambo yetu

 

[mshumbue-soi]

u div 5 na umizigo ndo umesababisha wasiikubali

 

[PapadoupolousTz]

Jamani: Kama suala ni kuwa na FIKRA PEVU ni vema pia kuheshimu utashi wa wengine ili nao waheshimu utashi wako. si dhani kama ni lazima sana kuwa uniform katika masuala yote. Take care!

 

[PapadoupolousTz]

Tatizo ni kwamba kuna comment ni kama vile watu wanaandikiwa vi note waje JF wapost. Du! umizeni vichwa, fanyeni utafiti wa kila wazo kumbukeni JF sio FB jamani..........

 

[Anko Sam]

CCM ni mzigo inatakiwa iwekwe kando ili wananchi wapumue.

 

[Highlander]

Kwa wale wasiojua, Habari ikitoka katika Gazeti la Daily News ni kauli ya Serikali ya Tanzania. Jana Serikali imekubali mfumo wa Serikali Tatu katika Shirikisho, lakini imeomba Watanganyika wapewe miezi tisa (9) kutengeza katiba yao, na kwamba Zanzibar tayari wanayo katiba ya kwao, kwa hiyo hapo hakuna shida, na kwamba Katiba ya Serikali ya Shirikisho itatengezwa kulinda hizi katiba Mbili: Ile ya Zanzibar, na Ile ya Tanganyika. Sasa endeleo kusoma.....


Tanganyikans Should Start Working On Their Constitution

BY MANGENGESA MDIMI, 25 JANUARY 2014

SOMETHING unusual happened last weekend, something unprecedented (unless I am reminded of such a precedent) in the history of an independent Tanzania or even Tanganyika; something about the Chief Secretary announcing a cabinet reshuffle involving appointments of new ministers and deputy ministers.


At least some political observers share my feelings that this was rather odd, out of place, diluting the impact of the punch. Of course, there is always a 'first time', which, in the process, will be referred to as the precedent. But after the announcement of the new ministers and deputy ministers, a friend of mine asked where the president was and before I offered an answer, he asked another question to the effect that how was it that a cabinet was being announced by the Chief Secretary instead of the president.


To be honest, I did not know the proper answer and so to fill in the emptiness, my embarrassment, I asked him how he had become to love politics to the extent of wanting to know the intricacies of managing a cabinet and we went on with our light talk.


However, his questions touched some nerve in my system that got me thinking about the duties of the president and I came to the conclusion that perhaps the duties (and powers?) of the president should be reduced, which in essence, I go along with some articles in the proposed new constitution.


Now, talking of the new constitution, which in fact is the subject of my talk today because I was told (rightly or wrongly) that the president delegated the announcement of the cabinet to the Chief Secretary, because he wanted to concentrate on sifting through the hundreds of names given to him by various institutions in order to appoint 122 citizens for membership in the Constituent Assembly due to meet soon.


It must be a hell of a job, which requires someone with quite a cool head.


It is this Constituent Assembly I want to remind of their noble duty of going through the proposals of the new constitution wholesomely so that the Assembly comes out with 'nation's interest' constitution recommendations for the referendum.


In particular, I would want to ask the Constituent Assembly to debate soberly on the proposed three-government arrangement.


For those who read this column will have noticed that I have been singing this three-government system song for some time now and like I said the other time, I'm not apologising for the repetition; in fact I'll continue talking about it through my pen (there were not computers when this cliché was coined), until members of the Constituent Assembly and my fellow citizens see the point, that is, if they have the interest of our nation at heart.


And I keep repeating this because I'm convinced that the three-government arrangement will tear our nation asunder and unfortunately, once demolished, it will not be easy to start rebuilding it.


In April, this year we are supposed to celebrate 50 years since the foundation of the Union was laid by it architects, Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere and Mzee Abeid Amani Karume.


It is ironic that exactly 50 years later, when we are at the finishing touches to our Union house, some people are working to demolish it.


But supposed the Constituent Assembly allows the three-government system to go through and the referendum foolhardily endorses the arrangement, will Tanganyika allow the general elections to take place next year (2015) as the new constitution insists upon, before it attains it own Constitution?


This question was answered by the Constitution Review Commission (CRC) when its chairman, Judge Joseph Sinde Warioba told an editors' press conference in Dar es Salaam that the Tanganyika government constitution could be worked out in three or so months.


Judge Warioba was clarifying on some salient issues of the Commission's proposals to the people through the editors where he also alleged that it will be less costly to maintain the three-government system than it is now with two-government arrangement.


I am not comfortable discussing the costing part of it because I'm not conversant with the complexities of figures, but I have a feeling that this could perhaps be misleading. In a layman's language, how can it be that it is cheaper to feed three children than two children?


As far as the Tanganyika Constitution is concerned, I would think all Tanganyika citizens would like to be involved fully in making their own Constitution. Zanzibar has its own Constitution but no one suggested to them how their Katiba should look like. It might have taken less time for Zanzibar to agree on their constitution, considering the size of the isles and the population than it will take Tanganyika to achieve the same.


Tanganyikans would also want to air their views on how their country should be run. It will need a Commission, something like Tanganyika Commission for Constitution or Commission for Tanganyika Constitution (the lawyers will do their job here), which will go around the country seeking views of the Tanganyikans on how they would want their constitution to look like, compile the views and come up with a first draft, let the people discuss it and then come up with a second draft and finally Tanganyikans will give their last say in a referendum.


Surely, this won't take less than nine months (at the very minimum) taking into account the size of Tanganyika and again considering that views collection exercise will have to be preceded by an awareness campaign throughout the country. Democracy must take its place in the whole exercise and must be respected. Isn't that why they say democracy is expensive?


Since Zanzibar has its constitution, so should Tanganyika have its constitution and logically, I would think, the Union or rather the Federation, if you like, constitution should recognise the existence of these two constitutions and therefore, be molded around the two.


I have not had the opportunity to read all the articles in the Draft Constitution, so I am not sure the above scenario has been taken care of. The Tanganyika Constitution is a must before we embark on the three-government arrangement. But it seems some people are in hurricane hurry to have the three-government system yesterday.


It seems they want to use this confusion to take the reins of the Tanganyika government. They want to be at Ikulu yesterday rather than tomorrow. Yes, one day they will be there; why the hurry?

 

[Mangi Mbishi]

Wamezoea U-mzigo, watauficha wapi baada ya serikali 3?

 

[BUCHANAGANDE]

Rushwa ndo kitega uchumi kikubwa cha ccm. Serikali 3 itaziba mianya na matobo yote.
C.c richard wa monduli

 

[Barubaru]

Kazi ipo mwaka huu ila turufu ya mwisho ipo kwa wananchi katika kura ya maoni