Lufthansa and Swiss up Nairobi flights

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Sasa mbona hawa wanakubaliwa na Emirates wanakataliwa?

Lufthansa Group and Swiss International Air Lines (Swiss) have announced additional flights to Nairobi. Lufthansa will add a sixth flight to Nairobi from June 21 while Swiss will also increases operations to six weekly flights from tomorrow. With the higher frequencies, Lufthansa total weekly flights will rise to 12. Lufthansa’s flights to and from Nairobi will carry its Star Alliance partner United Airline’s code.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001242226/lufthansa-and-swiss-up-nairobi-flights
Lufthansa and Swiss up Nairobi flights

On the other hand...
State denies Emirates third daily flight to Nairobi

The Ministry of Transport has withdrawn commercial rights for Emirates Airlines to operate a third daily flight to Kenya, in what is seen as a plan to negotiate for a fair share of routes in favour of Kenya Airways.

The government intends to review the existing Bilateral Air Service Agreement with the United Arabs Emirates "to ensure parity in the exercise of rights granted by the Air Service Agreement".

Transport Principal Secretary Irungu Nyakera, in a letter dated January 20, 2017, told Emirates Airlines executive secretary in Nairobi Carolyne Kyule that the decision was reached after an informal discussion between the aeronautical authorities of Kenya and the UAE.

"In this regard, the republic of Kenya is unable to grant a third daily passenger frequency to Emirates Airline before the review," Nyakera says in the letter.

The third daily flight from Dubai to Nairobi was set to begin on June 1, 2017, which could have increased the number of its flights between the two cities to 21 a week.

"Our earlier approval for flight EK 717/718 is subsequently withdrawn," the letter copied to the Kenya Civil Aviation Authority and the Kenya Airports Authority management reads in part.

“I believe the bilateral air service agreement is aimed at ensuring we have a more equitable share of routes. Anyway ours is just to implement what the government has said,” Kenya Civil Aviation Authority Director General Gilbert Kibe told the Star.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/01/27/state-denies-emirates-third-daily-flight-to-nairobi_c1495327
 

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Sasa mbona hawa wanakubaliwa na Emirates wanakataliwa?

Lufthansa Group and Swiss International Air Lines (Swiss) have announced additional flights to Nairobi. Lufthansa will add a sixth flight to Nairobi from June 21 while Swiss will also increases operations to six weekly flights from tomorrow. With the higher frequencies, Lufthansa total weekly flights will rise to 12. Lufthansa’s flights to and from Nairobi will carry its Star Alliance partner United Airline’s code.
Lufthansa and Swiss up Nairobi flights

On the other hand...
State denies Emirates third daily flight to Nairobi

The Ministry of Transport has withdrawn commercial rights for Emirates Airlines to operate a third daily flight to Kenya, in what is seen as a plan to negotiate for a fair share of routes in favour of Kenya Airways.

The government intends to review the existing Bilateral Air Service Agreement with the United Arabs Emirates "to ensure parity in the exercise of rights granted by the Air Service Agreement".

Transport Principal Secretary Irungu Nyakera, in a letter dated January 20, 2017, told Emirates Airlines executive secretary in Nairobi Carolyne Kyule that the decision was reached after an informal discussion between the aeronautical authorities of Kenya and the UAE.

"In this regard, the republic of Kenya is unable to grant a third daily passenger frequency to Emirates Airline before the review," Nyakera says in the letter.

The third daily flight from Dubai to Nairobi was set to begin on June 1, 2017, which could have increased the number of its flights between the two cities to 21 a week.

"Our earlier approval for flight EK 717/718 is subsequently withdrawn," the letter copied to the Kenya Civil Aviation Authority and the Kenya Airports Authority management reads in part.

“I believe the bilateral air service agreement is aimed at ensuring we have a more equitable share of routes. Anyway ours is just to implement what the government has said,” Kenya Civil Aviation Authority Director General Gilbert Kibe told the Star.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/01/27/state-denies-emirates-third-daily-flight-to-nairobi_c1495327

Kwa sababu Kenya ni Muzungu Country, hata wanafukuza Waafrika weusi huko Lakipya na kumpa Muzungu!
 

Mwanzi1

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Kwa sababu Kenya ni Muzungu Country, hata wanafukuza Waafrika weusi huko Lakipya na kumpa Muzungu!
Ushindani wao wa kibiashara ni wa upande mmoja tu. Kama Kenya hawatengenizi pesa basi njia za kila aina zitafanywa kuvuruga biashara. Sad
 

Edward Wanjala

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Ushindani wao wa kibiashara ni wa upande mmoja tu. Kama Kenya hawatengenizi pesa basi njia za kila aina zitafanywa kuvuruga biashara. Sad
Wewe Mwanzi1 sijui umekuwaje siku hizi?

Naona unapotoka sana ikija mambo ya Kenya hasa maswala ya biashara?

Heri urudi kwenye hizi battle za Nai na Dar
 

Mwanzi1

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Wewe Mwanzi1 sijui umekuwaje siku hizi?

Naona unapotoka sana ikija mambo ya Kenya hasa maswala ya biashara?

Heri urudi kwenye hizi battle za Nai na Dar
I know your fighting on Kenya's corner, lakini explain to us why European airline wanakubaluwa kuongeza safari na sio Emirates. Hii ni double standard au??
 

Kafrican

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I know your fighting on Kenya's corner, lakini explain to us why European airline wanakubaluwa kuongeza safari na sio Emirates. Hii ni double standard au??
soma bio last statement umequote kutoka the star, kuzulia emirates was ment to force a renegotiation with emirates..
Hii ni biashara bana, lazma uvutie kwako kama una nguvu, usijali, when ATCL has like at least 10 Boeing 700 and above flying different continents, then you will start to understand the power and diplomacy that comes with it...

KQ is a strategic asset! Anyway, KQ flies to all those destinations, that those airlines come from, before they are allowed to increase flights they negotiate deals that makes sure both airlines benefit...
Emirates was hurting KQ but KQ couldn't do anything because they had already agreed the terms, but when Emirates decided to increase flights, that was the perfect opportunity for KQ through KCAA to renegociate with with Emirates since at that particular point Kenya had the upper hand... KQ flies 26 flights to dubai a week, ask yourself, why hasn't UAE or emirates reduce the flights for KQ to Dubai? Its just business, its all about give and take...


BTW, what do you have to say about ATCL ordering CS300 jets to be used for regional routes like Kampala and Nairobi?? I remember one time we were arguing about KQ use of embraer jets , and you were saying turbo planes like Q400 were 'economical' . Vipi tena? Flying withing EA and central is still short haul
 

Mwanzi1

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So what kwani hii ni kazi ya kuchoma mahindi
Mkijisena you're market economy, mfanye kwa vitendo. This is pure case of double standard. Mnawaabia Waarabu no, lakini wazungu yes.

On the second thought, kama mkiwambia wazungu no, na wao watasema no export ya mauwa na chai.
 

Root

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Kwetu huku Emirates kaleta ndege 2 alivyoingia huyu kichaa wetu akapunguza
Kenya wanataka waongeze 3
Huyu kichaa kaharibu mambo
 

Mwanzi1

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soma bio last statement umequote kutoka the star, kuzulia emirates was ment to force a renegotiation with emirates..
Hii ni biashara bana, lazma uvutie kwako kama una nguvu, usijali, when ATCL has like at least 10 Boeing 700 and above flying different continents, then you will start to understand the power and diplomacy that comes with it...

KQ is a strategic asset! Anyway, KQ flies to all those destinations, that those airlines come from, before they are allowed to increase flights they negotiate deals that makes sure both airlines benefit...
Emirates was hurting KQ but KQ couldn't do anything because they had already agreed the terms, but when Emirates decided to increase flights, that was the perfect opportunity for KQ through KCAA to renegociate with with Emirates since at that particular point Kenya had the upper hand... KQ flies 26 flights to dubai a week, ask yourself, why hasn't UAE or emirates reduce the flights for KQ to Dubai? Its just business, its all about give and take...


BTW, what do you have to say about ATCL ordering CS300 jets to be used for regional routes like Kampala and Nairobi?? I remember one time we were arguing about KQ use of embraer jets , and you were saying turbo planes like Q400 were 'economical' . Vipi tena? Flying withing EA and central is still short haul
Haha my good old friend unefufuka good to see you. Well CS300 is mid-range aircraft kama Boeing 737 or Airbus A319/320. Sio kweli kama that CS300 ita pelekwa Kenya na Uganda permanently, kama kuna abiria wengi yes they can send it there but it will be more to the 3hr journey kama Johannesburg, Capetown, Maldive or Seychelles etc. Q400 is still a king to those 1.5hr trip hata Jambojet imeweka Q400 on her fleets. Still no one can beat Q400 on fuel consumption and capacity.
 

Geza Ulole

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Hivi hizi ndege huwa haziwezi enda Tanzania?? Kenya tuna KQ ambayo yatosha kufanya hiyo biashara
Ni vigumu kuitabiria KQ bright future. Kumbuka Uganda wametangaza rasmi kufufua Uganda Airlines na wako mbioni ku-order airbuses na wana utajiri wa mafuta ambao Museveni kasema atautumia vyema kulifufua shirika hilo.
 

Geza Ulole

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Haha my good old friend unefufuka good to see you. Well CS300 is mid-range aircraft kama Boeing 737 or Airbus A319/320. Sio kweli kama that CS300 ita pelekwa Kenya na Uganda permanently, kama kuna abiria wengi yes they can send it there but it will be more to the 3hr journey kama Johannesburg, Capetown, Maldive or Seychelles etc. Q400 is still a king to those 1.5hr trip hata Jambojet imeweka Q400 on her fleets. Still no one can beat Q400 on fuel consumption and capacity.
Serious una-dare ku-compare Embraer na CS300? Wacha utani Bombardier jets r by far superior to Embraer.
 

MK254

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soma bio last statement umequote kutoka the star, kuzulia emirates was ment to force a renegotiation with emirates..
Hii ni biashara bana, lazma uvutie kwako kama una nguvu, usijali, when ATCL has like at least 10 Boeing 700 and above flying different continents, then you will start to understand the power and diplomacy that comes with it...

KQ is a strategic asset! Anyway, KQ flies to all those destinations, that those airlines come from, before they are allowed to increase flights they negotiate deals that makes sure both airlines benefit...
Emirates was hurting KQ but KQ couldn't do anything because they had already agreed the terms, but when Emirates decided to increase flights, that was the perfect opportunity for KQ through KCAA to renegociate with with Emirates since at that particular point Kenya had the upper hand... KQ flies 26 flights to dubai a week, ask yourself, why hasn't UAE or emirates reduce the flights for KQ to Dubai? Its just business, its all about give and take...


BTW, what do you have to say about ATCL ordering CS300 jets to be used for regional routes like Kampala and Nairobi?? I remember one time we were arguing about KQ use of embraer jets , and you were saying turbo planes like Q400 were 'economical' . Vipi tena? Flying withing EA and central is still short haul
Umeijibu poa sana, nafikiri Mwanzi1 atakua ameridhika japo kama alivyo king'ang'ani ataibuka na lingine.
 

Sammuel999

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Ni vigumu kuitabiria KQ bright future. Kumbuka Uganda wametangaza rasmi kununua Uganda Airlines na wako mbioni ku-order airbuses na wana utajiri wa mafuta ambao Museveni kasema atautumia vyema kulifufua shirika hilo.
Lol ur still on this??
Okay
 

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