Lufthansa and Swiss up Nairobi flights

[Mwanzi1]

Serious una-dare ku-compare Embraer na CS300? Wacha utani Bombardier jets r by far superior to Embraer.

Geza, sijazungumzia Embrear hapo juu, ukisona vizuri utaona ni Kafrican ndio ame compare hizo ndege mbili.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Geza, sijazungumzia Embrear hapo juu, ukisona vizuri utaona ni Kafrican ndio ame compare hizo ndege mbili.

sorry...

 

[Geza Ulole]

Haha my good old friend unefufuka good to see you. Well CS300 is mid-range aircraft kama Boeing 737 or Airbus A319/320. Sio kweli kama that CS300 ita pelekwa Kenya na Uganda permanently, kama kuna abiria wengi yes they can send it there but it will be more to the 3hr journey kama Johannesburg, Capetown, Maldive or Seychelles etc. Q400 is still a king to those 1.5hr trip hata Jambojet imeweka Q400 on her fleets. Still no one can beat Q400 on fuel consumption and capacity.

wacha utani a jet engine CS300 maximum cruise speed ni 871 km/h while a turboprop Q400 is 646km/h

 

[Geza Ulole]

soma bio last statement umequote kutoka the star, kuzulia emirates was ment to force a renegotiation with emirates..
Hii ni biashara bana, lazma uvutie kwako kama una nguvu, usijali, when ATCL has like at least 10 Boeing 700 and above flying different continents, then you will start to understand the power and diplomacy that comes with it...

KQ is a strategic asset! Anyway, KQ flies to all those destinations, that those airlines come from, before they are allowed to increase flights they negotiate deals that makes sure both airlines benefit...
Emirates was hurting KQ but KQ couldn't do anything because they had already agreed the terms, but when Emirates decided to increase flights, that was the perfect opportunity for KQ through KCAA to renegociate with with Emirates since at that particular point Kenya had the upper hand... KQ flies 26 flights to dubai a week, ask yourself, why hasn't UAE or emirates reduce the flights for KQ to Dubai? Its just business, its all about give and take...


BTW, what do you have to say about ATCL ordering CS300 jets to be used for regional routes like Kampala and Nairobi?? I remember one time we were arguing about KQ use of embraer jets , and you were saying turbo planes like Q400 were 'economical' . Vipi tena? Flying withing EA and central is still short haul

Serious una-dare ku-compare Embraer na CS300? Wacha utani Bombardier jets r by far superior to Embraer.

 

[Kafrican]

Serious una-dare ku-compare Embraer na CS300? Wacha utani Bombardier jets r by far superior to Embraer.

First of all the E-Jet family is a proven model than bombardier C-Series, Whenever Bombardier launches a new C-series, they recieve praises for fuel efficiency statistics, but when it comes to oders from major airlines, nothing!!! its been unsuccessful, they had to cancel one of their launching of a new C-series plane after the engine caught fire, they still have a long way to go before they are accepted in the mainstream airlines.. In addition they also have a problem in delivering orders even though their orders are smaller compaired to Embrear ,... When will you CS-300 be delivered anyway????

Why the CSeries doesn’t sell

Since its launch in 2004, Bombardier’s CSeries has been problem ridden. Dropped at one time in 2006 due to a lack of orders, it was picked up again in 2009 and has since seen important milestones, such as the first flight in September 2013. But problems have haunted the program since its inception, with delays mounting and orders lacking. Most recently, the CSeries has suffered another backdrop when flight testing had to be arrested after one of the planes newly developed engines caught fire last week. Airbus will likely watch the incident closely as Pratt & Whitney’s PW1000G will also be mounted on the European airframers re-engined A320neo.

Orders lacking both quantity and quality

The CSeries received its first firm order in March 2009, when Lufthansa converted a previously signed Letter of Intent for 60 frames into a firm order for 30. The planes will be used to replace ageing Avros in its subsidiary Swiss’ regional fleet.

This order remains to this day the only significant order placed by a large legacy carrier. Since then, Bombardier has only managed to reel in mostly small orders from oddball carriers such as Iraqi Airways or London based startup Odyssey Airlines. Other orders are conditional, such as the one from Canada’s Porter Airlines, which is reliant on the Toronto City Council approving an expansion of the cities City Centre Airport (YTZ).

Bombardier was being beaten left right and center by E-Jets, even with their claims of more fuel efficiency, it reached unbareable levels then Bombardier decided to come up with a completely new airframe/airplane the C-Series, but so far they havent been successful as Embraer launched a newer version of the E-series which outclassed the newer C-series.... Bombardier has more fuel efficient planes but Embraer planes have superior passenger experience and are much cheaper.

The only thing bombardier has got going for itself is fuel efficiency (which is good for when oild prices are high), but once oil prices come down, it becomes just another plane with less cargo capacity, passenger experience...etc

Battle of the Regionals – ERJ vs CSeries vs MRJ vs SSJ: Introduction and Market Overview
Current Market Overview

The two most important players in the regional jet and small mainline markets today are Bombardier, who invented the RJ market with its CRJ, and Embraer, who surpassed Bombardier’s larger CRJs with the more capable EJets, which also offered a superior passenger experience. These OEMs were joined in the space by Russian manufacturer Sukhoi, in 2011 with its SSJ-100, the Russian answer to Embraer’s E190.

While they have not approached Airbus A320 or Boeing 737 level sales, both Bombardier’s CRJ-700/900/1000 and Embraer’s E-Jets have sold well in their own right. Together, the large CRJs (CRJ-700/CRJ-900/CRJ-1000) have sold 809 copies with a backlog of 76 airplanes yet to be delivered. Of the variants, the CRJ-700 (350 copies) and CRJ-900 (391 copies) have far outsold the stretched CRJ-1000 (76 copies). Embraer, meanwhile has won 1,401 orders for the EJets with a backlog of 264 airplanes outstanding. Of the variants, the E175 (459 orders) and E190 (584 orders) have dominated while the E170 and stretched E195 have been more niche (192 and 165 orders respectively). The E-Jets have outsold the larger CRJ’s since they were each introduced, which is one factor that pushed Bombardier into lapping the EJets with its CSeries, a clean-sheet airplane that offers fully optimized aerodynamics and economics in the small mainline space. Embraer was forced to respond by re-engine its EJets. Still, the Brazilian OEM dominates the market today, with 61% market share and 80% of seats sold in RJ/small mainline category in North America since 2013.

• MRJ90 – $42 million
• E175-E2 – $46.8 million
• SSJ – $36.2 million
• E190-E2 – $53.6 million
• CS100 – $62 million
• E195-E2 – $60.4
• CS300 – $71 million

Check this out : Orders Vs Deliveries

Bombardier C-Series

The C-Series is a failure, after they finaly deliver that order for ATCL they should close that production line an do a group suicide (apologies to anyone offended by the suicide comment)... Since 2009 to date, they have only delivered 13 aircraft!!! hio oder ya Tz itafika lini jameni?


Even when you combine the C-series and the better performing Q-Series, they still dont match the number delivered aircrafts by the Embraer E-Series


Bombardier Q-Series

Vs Embraer E-Series

So back to your question..... Which one shouldn't be compared to which one again? Tell you media in tanzania to wake up.... If any national/publicly traded/ major airline with that has national interest in Kenya had ordered the C-Series. That airline would have been murdered int the media... They have only been able to deliver 13 of the first 50 orders made in 2009!!!! did you guys do your research and check the backlog????