Kuna mwana JF amesoma ''The Urantia Book"?

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....The book is strongly fideistic and teaches that neither science nor logic will ever be able to prove or disprove the existence of God, arguing that faith is necessary to become conscious of God's presence in human experience.....

...........my friend @ kiranga....presence of God (for those who believe in God) relies on FAITH.....and faith is independent of reason... or that reason and faith are hostile to each other and FAITH is superior at arriving at particular truths....

...my friend....i deduce all the above from my prior knowledge on Natural theology, once also termed as physico-theology, which is a type of theology and deism that seeks to provide arguments for theological topics (such as the existence of a deity) based on reason and the discoveries of science...

...i think i have provided you with enough evidence (if you thoroughly read through the given reference)..as to the existence of God....and many current arguments are based on these facts.....I then rest my case with you...
 
Unajua ukishasema "neither science nor logic" ushatumia logic tayari? Na ukishatumia logic tayari, uchambuzi wako wa kuizodoa logic unakuwa moot, hauna maana, kwa sababu hata wewe mwenyewe ushatumia logic?

Kwenye faith unaweza kuamini chochote, unaweza kuamini mavi yako ni Mungu.

Je, ukiamini mavi yako ni Mungu, imani hiyo inafanya mavi yako yawe Mungu?
 
....faith and reason/logic are hostile to each other...and faith is superior at at arriving at particular truths.....
 
....faith and reason/logic are hostile to each other...and faith is superior at at arriving at particular truths.....
Nimekuuliza kitu, hujajibu.

Kwenye faith unaweza kuamini chochote, unaweza kuamini mavi yako ni Mungu.

Je, ukiamini mavi yako ni Mungu, imani hiyo inafanya mavi yako yawe Mungu?
 
That is neither here nor there.Ukiamini mavi yako ni Mungu muumba ulimwengu, hayo mavi yako yanakuwa Mungu kweli kwa sababu umeamini hivyo?
..i don't see issue on this...as long as one has this faith....
 
..kwa aminiye hivyo kwake ni sawa....ndio maana kuna wanaoamini ng'ombe/au tembo kama miungu yao....
Swali langu si "kwa aaminiye hilo ni sawa au si sawa".

Mbona unajibu swali ambalo sijauliza, halafu swali ambalo nimeuliza hujibu?
 
That is neither here nor there.Ukiamini mavi yako ni Mungu muumba ulimwengu, hayo mavi yako yanakuwa Mungu kweli kwa sababu umeamini hivyo?
...kuna wanaoamini ng'ombe kama miungu yao,...na wameendelea kukuzidi wewe....na inajulikana duniani hivyo...
 
...kuna wanaoamini ng'ombe kama miungu yao,...na wameendelea kukuzidi wewe....na inajulikana duniani hivyo...
Kwani wapi nimeongelea habari ya kuendelea kuliko mimi?

Nakuuliza hivi, mtu akiamini ng'ombe ni Mungu aliyeumba ulimwengu na vyote, hiyo imani inamfanya ng'ombe awe kweli Mungu aliyeumba ulimwengu na vyote?
 
The issue is hujajibu swali nililouliza, na unajibu swali ambalo sijauliza.

Umeelewa swali?
..huelewi nini reference yangu....imani ya ng'ombe niliyokupa (ambayo ipo) ni sawa na imani kwa mavi unayosema (ambayo haina reference popote duniani)....
 

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